Which .223 to buy


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FishPro
April 10, 2010, 08:05 PM
I live in California, so I cant go out and buy a normal AR. They only sell California Legal AR's and they are expensive. I had a Mini-14, I sold it a few yrs ago cause the accuracy was horrible, like a 8"group at 100yrds. Now they have the New Mini's and I was curious of which would b better, the new MINI-14 or a Kel Tec .223. Or a Saiga in .223. Now I have a few hi cap mags for a MINI-14 that I kept cause I figured I would get one 1 day. BUt i dont know how much the Mini has improved. I am not looking for a super accurate target rifle. but something that is decent and reliable. Now I never had any problems with the Mini-14 just the crappy accuracy. So I dont know any thing about the Saiga or the Kel Tec. I just know the Kel Tec is pretty popular. But dont know about he accuracy or the reliability since its mostly plastic. And I know absolutly nothing about the Saiga. But the Saiga and the Kel Tec are cheaper in cost than the Mini and I dont have much money to spend so I am trying to get the best deal. Thanks for any responses....

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Carter
April 10, 2010, 10:56 PM
I've shot the new ruger tactical mini 14 and I was tagging a 6 inch tall steel plate at hundred yards away no problem. The accuracy seems to be very good and I was running wolf through it, not match grade ammo. Kel Tec is good, but I'd say the mini would be a better choice.

Squidward
April 10, 2010, 11:11 PM
We could go on and on about reliability, cost, accuracy, etc.... But since you already own mini 14 mags, get the mini.

benEzra
April 11, 2010, 01:03 AM
If I were in your situation, and already owned full-capacity magazines, I'd get the mini, no question. In California, those magazines would be gold, IMO.

I actually did the same thing you did---I had an old 188-series Ranch Rifle, circa 1989 or 1990, that shot a best-ever group of 5.5" at 100 yards, from a rest and rear bag, and I eventually sold it because I was dissatisfied with the accuracy. But the new mini's do appear to be more accurate than the old model, based on what their owners are saying.

ArmedBear
April 11, 2010, 01:20 AM
The Saiga in stock form (i.e. CA-legal form) handles as poorly as any gun I've EVER held. The balance is way off.

The Mini is a neat carbine. I still have mine, despite the poor accuracy, since I just like the way it feels in the hands.

jhansman
April 11, 2010, 03:27 AM
The Saiga is a reliable, fairly accurate rifle in .223. I did the pistol grip conversion on mine and added a NATO length stock, so it handles more like a traditional AK. I went with the Saiga because I read too many complaints about the accuracy of the Mini-14 declining as the barrel heated up. This is NOT an issue with the Saiga.

aka108
April 11, 2010, 11:26 AM
Unless you are dead set on a semi auto, you might want to look at a Howa 1500 in 223. Bolt action and very accurate.

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