[KMKeller]

This is bad even by anti standards.

ART'S GRAMMAW WARNING The language contained in the email sent to Angel is anything but family oriented.

http://keepandbeararms.com/information/Item.asp?ID=3627

Gun Banner Wishes My Family to Be Murdered and Die Slowly

from Angel Shamaya
Founder/Executive Director
KeepAndBearArms.com

November 25, 2003

This incredibly hateful email is worth sharing -- with full headers included -- to remind gun owners that gun banners want us and our families dead. His email address is included, should you wish to communicate directly with him. His letter has not been edited. Typos and misspelling are left intact. My response to him follows his very honest hatred.

Note to Parents: The person below who wishes my family murdered and to die slowly uses foul language. If this is a problem for you, be warned not to share it with your children. I discussed whether or not to publish it as is, with several people, and the majority said to let it fly for its authenticity. --AS


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THE MURDEROUS-HEARTED HATE MAIL:

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You are nothing more than sick ????s who represent everything that is wrong with America (and pretty much the world). You are every bit a fanatic as the Sept 11th terrorists and I believe that people like you are responsible when innocent people get killed by guns.

What possible reason can a normal guy have for owning an AK47? I would love to hear your answer for that although I already can gues it, "Blah blah 2nd ammendmant blah blah." Well how about not reciting garbage like that and actually answer the dam question.

I can only hope that your mother, wife and children get gunned down and die slowly when they are walking the streets quietly minding their own business. Maybe this will teach you a lesson you sick ????.

Jon Bellamy

MY RESPONSE:

From: Angel Shamaya <Director@KeepAndBearArms.com>
To: jon_bellamy@lycos.com
Subject: RESPONSE TO YOUR HATE MAIL
Send reply to: Director@KeepAndBearArms.com
Date sent: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:57:35 -0700

Mr. Bellamy,

Thank you for taking the time to write to me. I can see that you have very strong feelings about firearms. It sounds like you've never had to use one to defend yourself. I have. Twice. Once, four guys wanted to beat me, or worse, on my own street. I was guilty of nothing more than taking a walk in quietude. The other time, some junkie wanted to relieve me of the money I had just removed from an ATM machine -- and probably wanted my vehicle, too.

In both instances, I never had to pull the trigger, and nobody got hurt. For your information, people use firearms every day, all across America, to defend their own lives. Look at the numerous links to recent news stories on the right side of the following page: http://KeepAndBearArms.com/OpSD/

You may wish to leave those people to the lions -- the predatory criminals that roam America's street looking for easy prey -- but I respect their rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness.

As to why anyone would need to own an AK-47, there are many good reasons, actually. During the "Rodney King Riots" in Los Angeles, for example, the Koreans kept the rioting, looting, murderous mobs from burning their businesses to the ground -- by use of military-pattern semi-automatic rifles. And during the awful disaster that was Hurricane Andrew in Florida, people used firearms -- including military-pattern semi-automatic rifles -- to protect what was left of their homes from looters.

You may wish that all Korean business owners in Los Angeles had had their businesses burned to the ground, but we wish to honor their rights to protect their businesses. You may wish that the people devastated by Hurricane Andrew had been further harmed by having their demolished homes ransacked by roving mobs, but we prefer to protect those tragedy-struck people's rights to defend what is theirs, and especially to defend their lives and the lives of their loved ones.

As to why I personally own military-pattern firearms, it is to protect my home and my family against people who would do them harm. Take you, for example. Your email is taken as a threat and will be reported to your ISP shortly. But your ISP isn't here to protect my family from truly hateful and disturbed anti-Korean, anti-homeowner, anti-family people such as yourself. That is my duty. And if you ever came at me or my family with physical expressions of the obvious violence in your murderous heart, I'd mow you down like grass and lose no sleep over it.

Thank you again for sharing your thoughts, and have a very nice Thanksgiving. While you wish my wife, my infant son and my ailing mother would be murdered and die slowly in pain, I hope and pray that your family is safe and well and that if they ever come under attack from a violent criminal there is someone there with a firearm to protect them.

Angel Shamaya
Founder/Executive Director
KeepAndBearArms.com

AFTER THOUGHTS:

In reading the thoughts of this latest seething gun prohibitionist, a few things come to mind worth sharing. First, he is obviously driven by anger and wishes violence on innocent people. Next, he clearly has little ability to restrain himself in accord with rules of civility that have been in existence for centuries. So, clearly, this is the kind of person who probably shouldn't have access to a firearm. He projects his angry, violent nature onto all gunowners, apparently -- and wants us to be as weak as he is. That is a pattern we've seen many times over the years, rather common in the most virulent of gun banners.

I also find it more than a little bizarre that someone who calls me "sick" is someone who wishes my infant son and my innocent wife and loving mother would be murdered -- a truly sick thing to even think, let alone actually write and send. But people who are irrational and illogical about inanimate firearms are rarely accused of being balanced, so this, too, comes as no surprise at all.

It's good to continually remember that some people hate guns and gunowners so deeply they literally want to see us killed, imprisoned and abused. Next time someone asks you why you invest some of your time working for gun rights and freedom, share Mr. Bellamy's letter and ask them why they sit on the sidelines.

[Partisan Ranger]

I have no personal 'need' for an AK-47 (of course full autos have been banned forever). But my concern is that once gun banners ban one class of guns, they move onto the next, and the next, and the next. They will never stop and saunter off to their 'gun free zones' in the big city all fat and happy. They will never stop until that Glock of yours is illegal and demonized as an 'assault pistol' or some such nonsense.

I also object to the absurd notion that my choice of firearms should be limited based upon what some criminal ??????? did with one in 1992.

[Balog]

Wow. That's alot of hatred in a little space. Reminds me of the Turner Diaries. Truly sick.

[Fastlane]

I find Mr. Bellamy statemenats to be very distrubing. What could have caused so much hatred? I do not own an AK47 but because of people like him and my right to protect my family I do own a 870P.

[mantispid]

Well, Anti-gunners are typically violent people at heart. This is why they fear gun ownership.. because they project their own fears of what they would do with a gun if they had one.

Also, in order to get the government to ban guns, they are effectively using the government as their own personal gun to point at gun owners. This isn't something friendly, peace-loving people do.




Now, as for owning an AK-47... I don't have one, but I'd love to.. and a fully auto one at that. I'm of the mind that if the military can have it, civilians should have it too (if they can afford it, and maintain it safely).

[El Tejon]

Gun haters=people haters

[TallPine]

What possible reason can a normal guy have for owning an AK47?
Killing porcupines, of course .... :rolleyes:

1) Cheap
2) Reliable
3) Ammo cheap and available

and best of all ...

to piss off people like Jon Bellamy

[Silver Bullet]

Regarding Jon Bellamy and people like him:

The fact remains that they need us and we don't them.

[Tempest]

Well, for what it's worth, here's my letter to this guy.

Dear Mr. Bellamy,

Your sick, hateful letter to Mr. Shamaya of KeepAndBearArms.com has prompted me to do something I have NEVER done before: write a reply to someone with so little human decency that he actually wishes pain and suffering on another human being, his innocent infant son and his wife and mother just because he disagrees with that person's political views.

Why would anyone want to own an AK-47? The obvious answer is "why not?" Why should anyone who wants to own an effective tool of self defense have to justify their "need" to you, to the state or to anyone else? Who are YOU to tell peaceable, law-abiding citizens what they should and should not own? Who are YOU to determine anyone's need? All YOU need to know, sir, is that an AK-47 in the hands of a law-abiding citizen is no more dangerous than a sword, an axe, a power drill or a Ferrari.

But people like you don't understand tyranny, because they have never lived under its yoke. You don't understand what it's like to have to justify your reading habits, your purchases, your very existence to the state. You don't understand the meaning of freedom. You are afraid of it and the personal responsibility it demands. And your fear is causing you to lash out in hate toward those who are brave enough to embrace true freedom and treasure the responsibility involved in preserving it.

You have stated that Mr. Shamaya represents all that is wrong with America (and the world).

I'm wondering why it is you feel that a man who is fighting tyranny warrants such strong sentiments. I'm wondering why a man who treasures human life enough to fight for the people's right to protect it warrants your spite. And I'm wondering what kind of subhuman monster wishes death upon the innocent family of said man.

Many people have written me with sentiments similar to yours, hoping that I die a heinous, painful death by gunfire, hoping that my family is shot, my life ruined by guns. They then proceed to interrogate me about why I choose to carry my gun. "Are you paranoid?" they ask. "Do you relish the thought of shooting someone?" "Do you see bad guys around every corner?"

My only answer to people like you, who publicly threaten innocents - women and children, in particular - is, "Look in the mirror."

Nicki Fellenzer
Newslinks Director
www.KeepAndBearArms.com

[USGuns]

Great response!

Do these people have any self-awareness whatsoever and listen to themselves ?!? They just seem to be a bunch of unthinking, insecure sheep who want OTHER people to protect and take care of them. Makes me want to :barf: !

[P95Carry]

This pos sicko seems to be unable (lacking the ability to think intelligently) ..... to make the distiction at all between criminal firearm's useage and that of the law abiding citizen.

He is it seems in the category that places full ''blame'' on each and every ''gun'' ... the inanimate object. His extremism is in some ways similar to other extremist groups .. pro-lifers have been known to be so extreme as to want (seemingly) to take life. Anti abortionists also . in extremist cases .. have felt it ''right'' to kill a Doctor.

The guy has serious problem .. and i do not say that just because he is anti ... he is basically --- up ...... and I would certainly hope he never gets his hands on a gun cos mayhem could ensue ... he probably seeing that as some divine mission to go slaughter anyone and everyone in the gun owning (legal) community.

To wish harm on a family because of links to gun ownership ... well ....... he really does need a shrink.:rolleyes:

[KMKeller]

Bravo Nicki, well said!

[The Reaper]

We were discussing this type of behavior at work last week. I think I finally understand why some people want to ban guns. They believe that everyone is like they are, virulent and violent. So they believe it is impossible to own a gun and not give in to wanton rage and shoot people for little or no good reason.

This guy is just another example of what is wrong with hard core anti-gun people. I hope he seeks out professional help for his problems or maybe he wasn't taking his medication when he wrote that.:confused:

[mantispid]

I don't even use the term 'law abiding citizen' anymore.... the powers that be have created so many laws that the line between 'criminal' and 'law abiding citizen' has been blurred to the point that you often have a hard time telling one from the other.

Hmm.. I need to think up of a term to differentiate the criminals that actually harm people, and the people that simply run afoul of some pet law.

[Mark Tyson]

All that hatred can't be coming purely from political disagreement. I think the author has some personal problems to work out.

[Frank5]

I do own 2 AK clones.

Why?? Because I can. I like the way they look & the way they shoot.

I'm glad to see that just about everyone here understands that the antis want to end all non government gun ownership. They will try to expand the definition of "assault weapon" untill it includes single shot .22 rimfires.

Or maybe scoped hunting rifles will become "sniper weapons". The BS will continue untill they achieve thier goal & we all know what that is.

As far as the -- who sent the hatefull e-mail............I guess he's just another peace loving, tolerant liberal. He's the sick ????? :cuss: :fire:

[Jrob24]

Hmm.. I need to think up of a term to differentiate the criminals that actually harm people, and the people that simply run afoul of some pet law.

How about violent criminal?

[Standing Wolf]

I can only hope that your mother, wife and children get gunned down and die slowly when they are walking the streets quietly minding their own business. Maybe this will teach you a lesson you sick ????.

In my experience, most leftists aren't that frank.

[Mark Tyson]

Some people are their own worst enemies.

The recipient of this gem should keep it and put it on display in a "hate mail" section.

[mantispid]

How about violent criminal?

Thought about that.. but that wouldn't include stealthy property crime criminals...

I'd also like a term that didn't use 'criminal' when referring those who do no damage to others, as it has negative connotations to it. I don't view everyone who breaks laws as bad. I consider some of them heroes... it all depends on whether or not I see the law as ethical.

[RKCheung]

Thought about that.. but that wouldn't include stealthy property crime criminals...
I'd also like a term that didn't use 'criminal' when referring those who do no damage to others, as it has negative connotations to it. I don't view everyone who breaks laws as bad. I consider some of them heroes... it all depends on whether or not I see the law as ethical.

How about infringer of rights? Rights being life, liberty, and property.

[mdsteele]

That was powerful. The last line drove it home!

[Norton]

It's unbelievable that they call us gun "nuts" and attribute violence to us when, in my experience, it's the pro-gun control/grabbers who are the most irrational, unstable and violent.

I love that, as I age, I have a greater ability to remain calm and not get sucked into their hysterical argument.

Of course if I really want to give them a little jab: Anti-"So why do you need an SKS?"

Me-"I didn't need it, I wanted it because it was cheap and it shoots well. Besides it was such a good deal because it includes the bayonet and integral grenade launcher":evil:

[2dogs]

it's the pro-gun control/grabbers who are the most irrational, unstable and violent.

Not to mention easily led- which, when the socialists have completed their take over and the Nazi's are in power, will make them very dangerous folks indeed.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving all.:)

[cpileri]

We MUST control the terms we use in our language if we are going to win this arguement!
When you allow your self to answer the 'need' question, you play into their hands.

Why do i need...? why do you need...?
Let's settle this really quickly: you dont NEED it. period.

The only things a human being can claim to need are nutrients and air. That's it.

As for all our WANTS, which we claim we 'need', we can answer as follows every time:
The lack of need is NOT a valid reason to restrict ownership of anything in a free market economy. Period.

Dont get it? OK, a free market allows a person to pursue both his economic needs (nutrients and air) and wants without restriction.

So anytime someone asks why you need something other than food,water, and breatheable gas; YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION (and you don't want to). To answer it assumes a validity that the question does not have in this country.

It draws you into useing a term defined by the enemy.

Who defined the current legal definition of 'assault weapon'? or 'arsenal'? or 'armor piercing'? That's right, the anti-gun crowd did. When we meet them on a field of their own terms, we are at significant disadvantages- since words shape opinions, and people vote their opinions.

We must take control of our arguements!
C-



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[MicroBalrog]

I hope this sad ____ is never in a position where he's "I wish I had a gun right now.".

[cpileri]

Oops, Iforgot to mention that besides all the business about useing our own terms; that was a great response!

It was very High-Road-ish: polite, and wishing him the best. Very good. Took the time to point out what happens when the weak are at the mercy of the strong, but didn't insult him directly.

Well done!
C-

p.s. if he responds, please post it! Just so I can be a parasite of your more exciting pro-2A life. :)

[FPrice]

Good letter.

[marvl]

Both responses were excellent. I'm afraid they'll have little effect on someone so obviously in need of theraphy as Mr. Bellamy. That kind of mindless hatred seldom responds to logic.

I don't own an AK (I've always preferred ARs, FALs, and M1As), but I do believe I'm gonna go out a buy one (or two) now. Maybe I should write Mr. Bellamy and tell him he has convinced me to do so. ;)

[Pennville Bill]

I just hope Mr. Bellamy and those of his ilk are current on thier rabies shots.

[Malone LaVeigh]

I wouldn't have bothered to respond to this disturbed individual. What we have here is an extreme example of the old "us vs them" mentality. I suspect this person has a political paradigm that fits all gunowners into the right-wing whacko redneck bubba mold.

Not that we don't have our share of that on this side of the aisle, but present company tends to be less extreme about it.

[Betty]

Mr. Bellamy's email address is available for anyone to reply to.

We can show him that we won't stoop to his level of name-calling and threats.

[Drjones]

And if you ever came at me or my family with physical expressions of the obvious violence in your murderous heart, I'd mow you down like grass and lose no sleep over it.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Thank you again for sharing your thoughts, and have a very nice Thanksgiving. While you wish my wife, my infant son and my ailing mother would be murdered and die slowly in pain, I hope and pray that your family is safe and well and that if they ever come under attack from a violent criminal there is someone there with a firearm to protect them.

Each side's true colors sure come out here, don't they? One wishes death and misery, one wishes for peace and happiness.

While I dearly hope that whackbags like this are in the minority, it gives a great insight into their little peabrains.

First, he is obviously driven by anger and wishes violence on innocent people. Next, he clearly has little ability to restrain himself in accord with rules of civility that have been in existence for centuries. So, clearly, this is the kind of person who probably shouldn't have access to a firearm. He projects his angry, violent nature onto all gunowners, apparently -- and wants us to be as weak as he is. That is a pattern we've seen many times over the years, rather common in the most virulent of gun banners.

Textbook projection.

http://www.rense.com/general33/antigun.htm

[cpileri]

oops, wrong post

[WAGCEVP]

we own more than one AK 47, just because , and if this "gentleman" doesn't like it, he can take a long walk on a short pier :) ................ There have been cars used to kill people all the time , maybe we should ban him from owning any motorized vehicles ...

:fire: :barf:

[Delmar]

Wow. Jon seems to be a cheeseburger short of a Happy Meal! In fact, people like him just might be the only justification for gun control laws:what:

[BHPshooter]

That is absolutely unbelievable. Reason number 23,674,947 to own a gun: violent psychos like Jon Bellamy.

:eek:

Wes

[Drjones]

This still brings a big smile to my face every time I think about it:


And if you ever came at me or my family with physical expressions of the obvious violence in your murderous heart, I'd mow you down like grass and lose no sleep over it.

:D :D :D :D

[fivepaknh]

It’s not surprising that this email originated from the San Francisco area. :rolleyes:

[gunsmith]

It’s not surprising that this email originated from the San Francisco area
Oh well. Now you guys know why we SF,CA folks are wound so tight I was threatened for wearing a U.S flag pin and N.R.A hat
SF liberals seem to think that gun ownership equals love of violence
yet the anti gun left out here are the ones who do violence all the time at "peace" protest. I allways counter the need question I hear all the time with "why do you need to protest?"
"why do you need freedom of press & Religion?"
"why do you need free speech"
They never get it!

[fivepaknh]

No offense indented to THR'ers living out there in unfriendly territory. :D

[ny32182]

I don't know that I would have replied to that psycho, other than to let him know that his email has been forwarded to both his and my local PD's.

Nothing positive can come from getting someone like that worked up. Who knows what that jackoff would try.

[Thumper]

Angel, I wish you were as civil towards me as you were to that guy! ;)

Kidding...great response.

[Carlos Cabeza]

After reading the responses to Mr. Bellamy's letter and the replies to the initial post I feel I am in good company. :cool: Angel and Nicky's responses were civil and forthright. The degenerative level of civility displayed by Mr. Bellamy is sickening and indicative of a limited depth of thinking.

P.S. I loved the "mow the lawn" comment !:p

[Partisan Ranger]

The 'need' argument is false and the product of narrow minds. The FF identified natural rights in the BOR. They are not subject to need or government whim (in theory, anyway:rolleyes: ). Whether or not you think I 'need' freedom of speech or 'need' an evil black semi-auto, I still possess the right to exercise those rights. If you follow the 'need' argument to its logical conclusion, we could be easily stripped of most of our rights, depending upon the whims of the current government hacks in power. That's the whole reason we have a BOR in the first place.

[Drjones]

The 'need' argument is false and the product of narrow minds.

You'll have fun in this thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52184

[RobW]

May be this person is a product of "Deliberately Dumbing Down America" public schools and media?

How do you get a gun-grabbers brain to the size of a pea?

INFLATE IT!

[Tempest]

This person isn't stupid, although his lack of grammar and spelling skills certainly suggest a lack of effective education. People who wish harm on others publicly, viscerally and so blatantly aren't stupid. They're evil.

[GunGeek]

Hmm.. I need to think up of a term to differentiate the criminals that actually harm people, and the people that simply run afoul of some pet law.
Assault Criminals?

[Bill Hook]

Wasn't ********** allowing convicted criminals access to e-mail from inside the joint?

[Vitamin G]

Why I own an AK-47

1) Because I can
2) I was the first kid on my block to get a car, too.
3) Because its cheap, effective, and oh-so rambo-esque
4) Its not tactical black, and as such, probably wont be the first to be confiscated (I like a long return on my investments)
5) There's just something about AK-47 owners that women find irresistable.
6) I can walk around saying "My gun has wood"
7) See number 1


Thats all i can think of for the moment :)