Black powder snub nose


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BenB8290
April 12, 2010, 02:33 AM
Anyone have one or do they even sell them?

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madcratebuilder
April 12, 2010, 07:50 AM
There are several members here that have made short barreled revolvers. 2.5 and 3 inch are popular lengths.

Here's a project I'm working on.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/gripmod05.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/snuubie1101.jpg

Old originals.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/oldpocket02.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/Paterson3.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/origsnubnose-03.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/origsnubnose.jpg

Loosenock
April 12, 2010, 10:22 AM
Here's one I made.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/loosenock/after001.jpg

Easy, afternoon project.

'Loose

Fingers McGee
April 12, 2010, 01:00 PM
IIRC, Cabelas sold some Avenging Angels in .44 and .36 a few years ago. Made by Pietta & marketed by Traditions. Every now & then they show up on the auction sites.

twaits
April 16, 2010, 03:14 PM
I made this one with a hacksaw and a hammer:

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/twaits/IMGP3841.jpg

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/twaits/IMGP3850.jpg

Deltaboy
April 17, 2010, 06:01 PM
WOW!

goon
April 17, 2010, 08:16 PM
Twaits - that thing looks like it was alive in 1862. Very real!

twaits
April 18, 2010, 12:41 AM
I'd like to find some more beater black powder guns to age and turn into these. Does anyone know of a source for used black powder revolvers that are under 100 bucks? Seems like there must be millions of them out there.

Searcher1970
April 18, 2010, 01:48 AM
Very cool, all of them!

Texas Moon
April 18, 2010, 02:12 AM
Thats neat! How did you get that wonderful patina on it?

StrawHat
April 18, 2010, 07:48 AM
Here is my 1860 I cut down.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc194/StrawHat/1860Snubbieyetagain003.jpg

And a Pocket Police I left as is.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc194/StrawHat/IMGP1438.jpg

Group photo of snubbies.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc194/StrawHat/IMGP1450.jpg

The Pocket Police needs no cutting as it is about perfect as is. Wish it were 44 instead of 36, but 36 is okay.

twaits
April 18, 2010, 11:04 AM
Texas Moon,
I got that patina by stripping the blue, then rebluing it with cold blue and stripping it again. I may have done this a couple of times. I also left the gun in the bathroom for a few months to help it rust naturally, but that wasn't really fast enough for me :) The cold blue also helped to tarnish the brass. As for the battle scars I just took a hammer and a wrench handle to it and tossed it around the cement floor of my basement. I hammered some sandpaper into parts of the metal to make it look like old rust pitting.

goon
April 18, 2010, 03:10 PM
Twaits - for future reference, I got a nice patina on a knife blade that I was going to make into a knife once (never did put a handle on it).
I got it by putting the blade in a zip-loc bag with a mixture of ketchup, pureed onions, and a handful of salt in it. Just left it in there for a few days, kneading it around to keep the coverage even, and then took it out. It had begun rusting almost immediately but it only took a little work to take the reddish surface rust off. Underneath it almost looked like dark grey color case hardening.

Nushif
April 18, 2010, 03:16 PM
Oh man ... I want one ...

goon
April 18, 2010, 07:03 PM
For crying out loud!
I can't afford another gun right now!
What are you guys trying to do here?!

Now I need two Navies (one squareback Uberti and one to snub), and an Army, and probably a .36 Remington too.
And an 1853 Enfield. And a flintlock fowler!
Where am I supposed to come up with money for all this stuff?

:)

BHP FAN
April 18, 2010, 08:37 PM
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af11/hut-man/Pistolas-1.jpg

StrawHat
April 18, 2010, 10:11 PM
BHP FAN,

Nice looking 1861, with fluted cylinder to boot! I have a pair of fluted 1861s that were made in 1970. Around here the 1861 is rare enough I won't be cutting either one down.

I also like your Model P. Was it cut down or built that way? Is the hole for the ejector rod in the frame? I have an extra Model P, I might have to shorten it. Maybe...

BHP FAN
April 18, 2010, 11:52 PM
The P is an Uberti .357 Thunderer,and I used the ''1862 Police'' snubbie as sold by Cabelas which, as you pointed out is an 1861 Navy model,as it has six shots not five,and isn't built on a rebated 1849 frame the way a real police was.I mated it to another Thunderer grip frame and grip from VTI. This was a bit of a trick as the grip and grip frame were Uberti,and the pistol frame itself was a Pietta.I had to open up the hammer channel in the grip frame as the Pietta's hammer is larger,and the screw hole pattern was just slightly off,and the Pietta screws didn't want to fit in the Uberti grip frame holes.After carefully opening up the holes the tiny amount of ''slop'' was enough to align everything,but it was tight.Straw Hat your 1860 inspired me to post my snubbys.yeah mine has the hole for the brass ''knitting needle'' punch loading rod,but mine is missing. I use an Uberti loading stand / tool meant for loading the 1873 P percussion model they made.

goon
April 19, 2010, 12:04 AM
I think he was asking if the Thunderer has the hole in the frame for the ejector rod. Pretty sure it does. http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/Specialty/ThundererStd.htm

BTW - you have me wanting a snubbie too. Well ,you and twaits that is.

BHP FAN
April 19, 2010, 01:49 AM
The one on the right has the model P style ejecter rod and housing,just very short.You cant see it, because it's on the other side.

StrawHat
April 19, 2010, 08:10 AM
BHP FAN

The one on the right has the model P style ejecter rod and housing,just very short.You cant see it, because it's on the other side.

Ah yes, now I see it! So what barrel length is that? I do like the set up and if I cut mine, I will do it in stages. First the barrel work and then reworking the grip frame. I might stop after the barrel job, I am cheap and parts I don't have cost money!!

BHP FAN
April 19, 2010, 12:23 PM
31/2''...check out Madcratebuilder's grip. 0 x-tra $$,and a really neat, almost Webley Bull Dog look.

twaits
April 20, 2010, 04:52 PM
Goon, thanks for the tip! I will experiment with that.

Here's a neat snubnose that I saw at the Poulin auction last month. It went for over $1,700!

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/twaits/Fairfield%20Auction%20Highlights%202010/IMGP4479.jpg

batjka
April 20, 2010, 05:31 PM
These are some neat pistols!

What kinds of velocities are you guys getting out of these?

StrawHat
April 22, 2010, 12:27 PM
Never shot one over the speed measuring thing (don't own one) but the round balls out of my snubbies all fly fast enough to hit the target with out me being able to see them. Haven't tried it lately but when I was shooting PPC if the lighting was correct you could watch the WC travel to the target. Fun but it usually interfered with your timing and scores.

LeMat1856
April 23, 2010, 01:10 AM
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. apr 22 / 20:55


while on the subject, i just noticed in the recent dixie 'spring specials' flyer that they now have pre-shortened barrels for what looks like colt 1860 army models..

search their site for product #ss2281 ($75) which is discribed as "... .44cal 3" long.."

looks like it's already blued and has a front sight.

i made mine by getting a second 5" barrel for my sheriff from taylor's and just hacking off 2 1/2".. i did have to have a pro with tools do the recrowning, which probably saved the last shread of accuracy.. now i can switch from the original to the snub and have the best of both worlds..

sorry for the terrible photo; all i had was a $10 vivitar mini camera.

http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq295/zazen2004/muzzle/snub018-1.jpg

messerist
April 23, 2010, 10:01 AM
Replacement barrels average $130 dollars at VTI for the Walker/Dragoon revolvers and less for the 51 navy and 60 Army(Uberti brand). I'm considering buying just the barrel and cutting it down. Then I can have the best of both worlds! JM2C Check out these snubbies made by a Gunsmith over on the CAS site
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,30703.0.html
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,30886.0.html

goon
April 23, 2010, 01:54 PM
The second barrel idea is intriguing.
My problem is that I really like the look of Twiat's antiquing job, but I also want a full length Uberti '51 Squareback left as is because the factory finish looks so nice. So I'm likely going to need two... Which honestly, isn't much of a problem at all.

Erich
April 23, 2010, 04:59 PM
I have no interest in the deal at all, but there was a fellow over at TFL's black powder for sale board selling a short 1862 Police this morning.

I've always loved "Avenging Angels", and have kept my eye out for one. Had a 3.5" Model P like BHP Fan's in .45 ACP/.45 Colt for a couple of years, too. :) I hope to see more of Madcratebuilder's project when he's finished . . . hint, hint. ;)

BHP FAN
April 23, 2010, 05:21 PM
I ALMOST swapped my .357 for one in .45 acp/.45 Colt, but I have a LOT more .45's than .38/.357's so I decided to leave well enough alone.It sure was beautiful,though.Weighed a LOT less than mine,too.musta been because of the BIG holes in that little gun.Don [the owner of the .45] is, sadly, no longer with us, so that ship has sailed. I share your enthusiasm for Porter Rockwell's pistolas.

Erich
April 24, 2010, 01:44 AM
This one had been someone's CAS gun, and the trigger was L I G H T - freaky light. Kinda scared me, really - I wound up never carrying it. :rolleyes:

Neat gun, though!

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd222/505Erich/Cimarron11oct0110001yyy.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd222/505Erich/Cimarron11oct0050001yyy.jpg

BHP FAN
April 24, 2010, 05:04 AM
Saweet!Looks just like the one I missed out on.I use .38's in my .357,and with all the weight there's no recoil,and she stays on target.Also,it's cheap to shoot.

StrawHat
April 24, 2010, 07:53 AM
messerist

Replacement barrels average $130 dollars at VTI for the Walker/Dragoon revolvers and less for the 51 navy and 60 Army(Uberti brand). I'm considering buying just the barrel and cutting it down.

For that kind of money can't you buy a used 1860 and shorten it?

StrawHat
April 24, 2010, 10:23 PM
Erich,

If I am correct, the barrel reads 45 Colt. The cartridges look short so are they 45 Colt, 45 S&W or 45 Special? Also, is that the SAECO 45 Wadcutter bullet?

Thanks.

Second look at the cartridges makes me think 45 ACP. Still interesting!

messerist
April 24, 2010, 11:16 PM
I was just thinking out loud...if you can do such a thing on a computer. I suppose I could look for a used 1860 Army. I'm sure there are a few floating around out there to buy.

Erich
April 27, 2010, 01:12 PM
Strawhat, it's a two-cylinder convertible. Those are ACP. Yep, it's the 225-gr WC.

MCgunner
May 12, 2010, 01:55 PM
Ya know, Cabelas has those 44 cal navy brassers for under 200 bucks. This would be a nifty project, me thinks, and a reason to buy a .44 brasser....to butcher the barrel on. :D It would conceal well, I'd think. Hmmmmm.......

Gaucho Gringo
May 13, 2010, 06:31 PM
Here is my snub nose 1862 Pocket Police. Overall length is 7".

Oyeboten
May 13, 2010, 07:05 PM
I sure like these...

If I can find a Candidate, I might just try my hand at making one.

MCgunner
May 13, 2010, 07:53 PM
Well, I have a 5.5" brass .44 navy coming from Cabelas for 156 shipping and tax inclusive and I won a pietta barrel (hope it fits) on gunbroker for 39 bucks, so I have my project now. :D So, I'll have a snub and a 5.5" when done, just install the barrel of choice. :D

Gaucho Gringo
May 13, 2010, 08:31 PM
MCgunner, you won the barrel from me. It is a small world. I had bought the barrel to do this very same thing on the .44 1851 that I also have for sale on Gunbroker. I then bought the snub nose 1862 Pocket Police so I decided to sell the gun & the barrel to pay for it.

MCgunner
May 13, 2010, 08:59 PM
HA! Well, cool! Anyway, I just stuck the money order in the mail box. :D It'll give me something to play with, a cheap project.

Oyeboten
May 13, 2010, 10:23 PM
Say Erich,


Where does one get those particular 225 Grn Wadcutters? Thay have a nice look to them.

Might be good for Cap and Ball also, with that profile ( Chamers and Barrel permitting!)

MCgunner
May 13, 2010, 10:28 PM
I notice it's .45ACP brass they're loaded in. Didn't catch that the first time, didn't look hard enough. :D

StrawHat
May 14, 2010, 08:15 AM
Oyeboten ...Say Erich,

Where does one get those particular 225 Grn Wadcutters?...

I am not Erich but I believe those are cast from the SAECO 453 mold. Mine is a double cavity and drops bullets closer to 230 grains with my alloy.

Try here for castings.

http://www.westernbullet.com/45pica.html

or

http://www.pennbullets.com/45/45-caliber.html


There is also a place that will hollow point the mold. Turning the waddcutter into what the Brits call a manstopper.

Deltaboy
May 15, 2010, 12:16 AM
WOW:evil:

BHP FAN
May 15, 2010, 07:33 PM
Or, you could buy a Forsters Hollow pointer and do it yourself...

Erich
May 17, 2010, 04:43 PM
Oyeboten, Strawhat got it - I got them from Bob Palermo at Penn. I'm glad MC Gunner and Gaucho Gringo were able to get together on the auction. :) Gaucho Gringo, that is a really neat looking little '62.

twaits
May 21, 2010, 05:15 PM
I may be buying an unfired 1860 Army repro tomorrow for $150.
Then I'm going to chase it around the basement with a hacksaw and a hammer!

Erich
May 22, 2010, 01:33 AM
What a great image! :D

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