[curt]

Just curious why do you guys want one? Do you just want one for plinking with cheap ball ammo or is there another reason which i guess discounting hunting would be for defensive purposes.

If for the latter could you explain why you think it is better than another rifle for $650?

Not wanting to flame anyone but i just don't get it and the engineer in me wants to know what operational requirements it fulfills.

[Andrew Wyatt]

for those people who ccw a beretta, it makes a nice companion piece, as it uses the same magazines and ammunition.

[SDC]

For the same reason I want most other firearms; I think it would be fun to shoot :D

[BusMaster007]

First operational requirement: FUN. :D

Works with the pistol mags.
Takes the same ammo.
Can have all kinds of cool stuff added onto it.
Good training rifle for beginners.
Etc.

[Erik Jensen]

looks to be: a handy little rifle; fun to shoot; takes the same mags and ammo as my 92F; not banned in any place I plan on moving to anytime soon; appears to be a good home defence arm.

[Harry Tuttle]

1) i'm sure its sales volume gives Sarah Brady gastric distress
2) its cheaper than a 9mm AR upper
3) HK USC's have no 30 round stock mags
4) many indoor ranges don't allow rifle fire
5) its an interesting modern design executed in black plastic
6) a barrel and mag adaptor swap converts the caliber

[Kamicosmos]

I am contemplating getting a 40 cal version when it comes out because it would use the same mags my 96fs uses. It would be for home defense. I handled one at my local gunstore, and I really liked the ergos of it. Pointed well. And it looks freaky. I don't have a freaky looking gun yet... :)

[curt]

Okay so it appears that most of you like it because: a) its fun and b) it takes the same mags as your handgun. Its interesting that only one person specifically mentioned home defense.

In engineering terms it seems the operational need you folks feel is fulfilled by the storm is- fun. The rest like mag interchangebility, ergos etc are functional requirements, the next level down once you've settled on your Needs.

This is pretty much what i expected, Thanks!

[starfuryzeta]

1) I want to get one because I can teach my wife/son to use it without them taking a beating from the 12ga or rifles, yet still feel effective in defense purposes.

2) It's light, handles well, shoulders good, points good, and uses existing magazines that I already have.

3) I can use it in the indoor ranges that don't allow rifle calibers.

4) Yeh, it looks good and will probably be fun. ;)

[jem375]

too expensive for a 9MM plinker.....there are others cheaper and you really don't need much to shoot the 9MM caliber........

[Andrew Wyatt]

it makes a good truck gun......because it uses the same magasines as your carry piece.....you can keep it unloaded.....and put your spare magazine in it when you need it.......

[Onslaught]

too expensive for a 9MM plinker.....there are others cheaper and you really don't need much to shoot the 9MM caliber........
If people can call their AR's "plinkers", then I think this one certainly qualifies... Plus, if you're left handed, a blowback operated rifle is NOT a lot of fun, especially with the el cheap'O ammo you're gonna be shooting through it in the first place.

I may or may not ever own one, as I've got too many AR's in line first on the wish list, but it's definitely got it's place.

Oh and P.S. - [friendly jab] regarding those "cheaper" ones you mentioned... well I'll refer you to your signature line as another reason not to own one...

"Life is too short to spend it with an ugly gun" :neener: [/friendly jab]

[Redlg155]

I want one for the same reason I have a 9mm AR...to practice with. Many indoor ranges do not allow you to use rifles. An indoor range is 10 minutes away from me. The rifle range is 45 minutes on a good day. The ammo is also dirt cheap. There aren't many rifles out there that you can shoot for $10.00 per 100 rounds and have relatively real training. With the 9mm you do get some recoil to simulate a higher powered rifle.

Of course we have the "cool" factor going here. I suspect the popularity will wane after a few months. Then will be a great time to get one for a good price.

The 9mm is also a pretty good defensive gun. Although you may only gain 200 or so fps with standard loads, using a +P or +P+ easily gives you .357 mag performance out of a light carbine. If you in a rural area you can also pop the occasional pesky critter without making much noice at all. A quiet 9mm pop (they are much quieter than handguns) is a lot better than a big shotgun boom when trying to be a bit discreet.

Good Shooting
Red

[jem375]

onslaught.....actually that signature is for a glock............and I even own one of those crappy looking things..............

[Skunkabilly]

For shooting pistol matches with my carbine
Car gun (loaded mags on person, unloaded carbine in car)

But I can't get teh @#$@#'s in CA!!! :cuss:

[cool45auto]

It's too cool not to have!:cool:
Plus the magazine interchangeability is a big plus.

[Starpower]

IT JUST LOOKS BAAAAAD! And I have a 92 FS and a 30 rd mag that fits. OH, happy day! :D :p

[355sigfan]

Yep its pretty useless. Too weak for hunting, For defense its stupid as it fires a pistol round. Again that weak issue. Buy a good 223 carbine or a 12 gauge shotgun and skip this oversized handgun.
Pat

[Harry Tuttle]

plenty of deer have been dropped by .45 1911s

[Andrew Wyatt]

It follows firearm selection rule number1. "any centerfire rifle is better than any pistol."

also, most of us aren't police officers. the authorities look down on people carrying loaded ar's around as truck guns.

[tiberius]

the authorities look down on people carrying loaded ar's around as truck guns

What "authorities" are you talking about? and why do you care? Are you serious in thinkig that someone would "look down" at carrying an AR, but not a Storm?

[son of a gun]

They want to pay $55.00 for a scope rail.

[Kentucky Rifle]

Hey! I've got AR's, shotguns's, and hunting rifles. (Even though I don't hunt anymore.) The Storm looks like pure fun.:cool: On my list, fun comes right after defense.

KR

[Andrew Wyatt]

What "authorities" are you talking about? and why do you care?

Generally speaking, when someone refers to "the authorities" they mean the police.

You can't really keep an AR unloaded with ammunition at hand without running afoul of state law. You can with a storm, since it uses the same magazines as your CCW gun, if you CCW a beretta.

[Kamicosmos]

They want to get raped by Beretta and pay $250.00 for a scope rail.

There is another thread running on the storm. That price is in error, was the wrong part. The top rail for the storm is an affordable $55.

[Kurt]

I agree with those who think this gun is all but worthless for any endeavor other than plinking. When I see folks consider this as a “car gun” or some other serious possibility, I always hope that they are leading a very charmed life.

Those that never gave a homely looking piece like the Camp Carbine a second look are now all a-twitter over the Beretta. Why?.... because it looks cool, and oh yes .... it takes those model 92 magazines!!! Neither of those reasons will matter a wit if this weapon is ever called upon for serious use.

It’s handicapped to handgun level power, but has few of the handgun’s benefits. It’s as bulky as many long arms, but will always be just an expensive and pretty wannabe within that class of arms.

I like plinking a lot, and can accept the fun-gun and "plinking" mentality completely. And if I were ever given obscene amounts of 9X19, I suppose that I could be tempted to look in the Beretta’s general direction for awhile. But that’s NOT how Beretta categorizes and pushes this poor abstraction..... and I see that some of us are listening to them.

[starfuryzeta]

I'm not as educated as most folks on these boards, so I'm confused about one thing.

Taking Beretta and their marketing out of the equation, if a 9mm is useless for serious endeavors except plinking, then why do people, or maybe why should people, purchase 9mm at all?

[Kurt]

The 9X19 is a legitimate handgun round in the upper medium end of the spectrum. Some marvelously small and concealable handguns are so chambered these days, and I believe that's where it absolutely shines. I wouldn't choose it anymore in a larger-framed handgun that's meant for serious use.

It's not a rifle cartridge..... by any stretch, and there are far better plinking choices out there.

[355sigfan]

You can't really keep an AR unloaded with ammunition at hand without running afoul of state law. You can with a storm, since it uses the same magazines as your CCW gun, if you CCW a beretta.
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Really depends on the state. In our state you could have both fully loaded in your gun rack. I am sure in most states you can have loaded mags outside of the gun.
Pat

[355sigfan]

The 9mm is an acceptable handgun round. But all handgun rounds even the 45 acp and 357 mag pal in comparision to rifle rounds like the 223.
Pat

[keederdag]

The .223 pales in comparison to the .700 nitro express.:D

[355sigfan]

The .223 pales in comparison to the .700 nitro express.
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For killing big game not people. The 223 is exponentially a supperior stopper when compared to service pistol rounds. The 700 will not kill stop a person much better than a 223. Because most of its power is wasted behind the target on a person. The 223 does not exit people and has a large enough of a stretch cavity to rip tissue far from where the bullet touches. The pistols are like ice picks. They only damage what they touch.
Pat

[Andrew Wyatt]

In california and most of the lower 48, you WILL get in trouble if you have a loaded longarm in the car.

as such, having a weapon that you can keep unloaded and also legitimately have the ammunition at hand makes a lot of sense.

The storm doubles the range over a pistol, and is also much easier to shoot than a pistol. the range increase is not all that big of a factor, but the increased accuracy is.

[Ohen Cepel]

First, I want to say that I'll let the "dark side boys" here know that they idiots for carrying MP5's!!!! What can they be thinking?!?!? They should all have Barrett's slung over their backs!!!


I want one for several reasons:

It seems to be a quality weapon by a quality maker.

Comes with the rail to improve it's usefullness at night.

I have mags for it.

Indoor range use.

And then, just because.

[355sigfan]

In california and most of the lower 48, you WILL get in trouble if you have a loaded longarm in the car.
END

In california I believe it but not for most states. I have lived all over the pacific Northwest and it was not a problem from what little research I did at the time. Also you can easily have loaded ar15 mags out of the gun just as you have beretta mags loaded on your person. Upgrading to the storm over your sidearm is not that much of an upgrade. If increases your hit potential and it gives you another 100 fps or so. Thats it. Better than nothing, but five me a rifle or a shotgun.
SNIP
First, I want to say that I'll let the "dark side boys" here know that they idiots for carrying MP5's!!!!
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Actually most SWAT teams and special operation groups are moving away from subguns like the MP5. It a nice subgun but in the end its still a large handgun that fires very fast.
Pat

[Andrew Wyatt]

If increases your hit potential if your a poor pistol shot


It increases your hit potential even if you're a good pistol shot.

An ar-15 magazine is really hard to keep on your person, and it's another thing to keep track of.

[355sigfan]

An ar-15 magazine is really hard to keep on your person, and it's another thing to keep track of.
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Throw it in the glove box or have it on a butstock mag pouch. In both cases the weapon is not considered loaded. And your right it does increase your hit potential even if your a good pistol shot. I edited my post. But the better you are with a handgun the less of an improvement a pistol caliber carbine will give you.

But its your money spend it as you see fit. If I lived in your state and could not move. I would buy a M1A or a mini 14 or simply stick with a customized Remington 870.
Pat

[Warner]

I notice some people posting serious use scenarios about this gun.

Even though it looks somewhat like a rifle, no amount of convenience, interchangeability, legality, coolness, discussion, wishing or hoping will ever give the Beretta anything near the ballistic qualities of a like-sized carbine chambered in a true rifle round.

A 9x19 Beretta Storm owner has a weapon with the bulk of a carbine, combined with the basic “effectiveness” of a pistol that's firing the same round…period…end of story. The Storm’s velocity may be somewhat higher, but that won’t make anywhere near the difference that some appear to believe.

If circumstances warrant, and you’re going to arm yourself with a longarm, it’s certainly best that your choices will provide the levels of performance that you’re probably counting upon.

[Harry Tuttle]

i wonder if the have plans to make it fire 17 hrm

:evil:

[Onslaught]

What amuses me most about this little carbine is how many people are lining up to insult, belittle, or second guess anyone who wants to buy one! That's not how we play around here...

This thing's only 29.75" long and weighs 6lbs, so it's not "all the size and bulk of a carbine" as no non-NFA rifle is that short, except the PRE-BAN ar-15 with the telescoping stock fully "in" which ain't comfortable to shoot, and for those talking about a "truck gun", I sure as heck ain't gonna leave my pre-ban Bushmaster in my VEHICLE!

And another thing that kills me... There are a few in this discussion who seem to think that ALL firearms are for defense and can have NO other use. Sure, some guys have mentioned this for defense, and if that's what they want to use it for, it's still better than a 9mm pistol, period, end of story! Not one person here is trying to say it's as good as an AR for "defense".


SO WHAT if some plinkers are cheaper... Do we all buy the CHEAPEST whatever we can find? Nope... some of those fortunate enough to be able to afford it can buy WHATEVER the HECK they want to, and if that's what they wanna do, then BY GOSH THEY OUGHTA do it, and shame on any of you who would get up on your soapbox and preach against it....

Attached below is a pic that an online buddy sent me of his Storm next to his Walther P99... You can see how much smaller this thing is than any rifle.

Now go on over to www.falfiles.com and tell everyone there how you think your AR15 is adequate for self defense and let them all tell you what a moron you are for counting on the diminutive 5.56 when the 7.62 can shoot through telephone poles to hit the bad guy.

:barf:

[Kurt]

Onslaught, It’s unfortunate that you perceive others stated opinions as some sort of hostility or disrespect when they don’t parallel your own. Concerning the bulk of your post, you’ve simply set up your own straw man, and then proceeded to wail on him.

The issue isn’t the costs involved with any given plinker, what others want to own, or even that every weapon has to be effective for defense to have a reason to exist. But by using their own words as proof, there are many here seriously considering this 9mm long arm for other use like a “car gun”. To me, that suggests a use other than plinking. The ups and downs of that is a valid side issue about this Beretta, and certainly just as important as splitting hairs about it’s length or weight.

While everyone is free to buy and use whatever they want, the fact remains that this particular long arm shoots only a medium powered pistol round, and the many issues surrounding that oddity is legitimate material for discussion.

[Onslaught]

If your posts don't contain anything other than stated opinions, then I wasn't including you in that particular portion of my reply. Everyone should get the chance to state their opinion, for or against, and I am not referring to those posts in any way.

There is no doubt however that those who state their desire to purchase this particular firearm have drawn more than their fair share of insults in this and previous posts. It makes little sense to me.

As for the altogether beaten topic of this weapon's shortcomings in the defensive role... If there were only pistols and rifles with no room for any compromise inbetween, I could agree. But you'll find as you spend more time here that the typical THR member has a great deal of knowledge with firearms, and won't be expecting a miracle weapon in the CX4... It is what it is... and it's not the pariah that it's been made out to be by SOME.

[Kurt]

No disrespect meant here at all, but the greater knowledge you speak of is also widely available outside the halls of THR, I assure you.

I offer that what you say are insults, are really just honest opinions that don’t parallel the “all is fine and rosy” glop that is so prevalent in some gun magazines, websites and forums.

The person who chooses to make this Beretta his or her own, may one day be forced to use it in a serious situation by default. If that day ever comes, it will be his “miracle” weapon, whether it can perform miraculously or not.

[Coot]

Will you guys lighten up a bit? It's just a gun, for God's sake.

Have fun with it.

[Onslaught]

It's not what you say... it's how you say it... But Coot's right, I'm not making it any better by protesting the condescending attitude I smell in "some" posts. I just think you oughta get to know the experience level of the good folks here before you go preaching down to them... THere were several assumptions made that suggest the speaker feels superior in his knowledge or experience to the ones he is addressing.

You know, the "9mm rifles are no better than a .22" seems to be mainly an American thing. The Germans have no problems arming themselves with the lowly 9mm carbines. Even the Polizai, not just the SupercalifragilisticOps teams.... The Israelis, who are frequently looked upon by the rest of the world for advice in the defense arena, arm their every day policemen with the M1 Carbine...

I'm sorry if I added to the negative mood, and I will post no more (today) on the subject :neener:

[Warner]

Coot.......

I can understand when someone doesn't want to personally participate in a spirited discussion. I cannot understand when someone wants to prevent others from doing so.

We do live in a "sound byte" world, where people often need everything distilled down to three or four lines – and want everything to be “nice” with on top of it all. But sometimes real clarification is needed, and such clarification takes longer, and is more difficult with a weapon like this Beretta.

Like with everything else in life, you’ll find those that know more than you, and those that know less than you about weaponry. If anyone doesn’t want facts, fine, but please aim any counter points at the issues at hand. IMO, It will make things far more interesting than just offering the "can't we all just get along" wish.

[QB]

OnSlaught -- what did you mean when you stated "Plus, if you're left handed, a blowback operated rifle is NOT a lot of fun, especially with the el cheap'O ammo you're gonna be shooting through it in the first place."???

I changed my Storm's controls over to the "left handed" configuration and was wondering why the Storm in the left handed config for a left handed shooter would be worse than in the "right handed" configuration for a right handed shooter. I'm new to rifles and was wondering if there's something I may have missed. I can put the gun back to the right handed configuration and shoot right handed no problem but would prefer to shoot left handed.

Thanks.

[keederdag]

Oh god; You tactical types just slay me. Ditto Coot. Lighten UP.
355SIgFan...I rolled after reading your "just the facts mam" coment.
You guy's really do crack me up.:D :D :D :D

[jame]

I'm buying one, and I don't care what the "experts" say. It fits me. I like it. High on the "cool" factor. If a gun fits me, I shoot it quite well. When I shoot well, I usually hit my target in a quick, efficient, and repetitive manner. That means that:

1. I will have fun shooting this rifle.
2. If I have fun shooting this rifle, I will be shooting it often.
3. If I shoot often, I will become proficient.
3. If I become proficient, the rifle will be useful for more serious measures, if need be.

I don't see a downside. I hope to buy mine tomorrow or Monday.

Oh,.....it looks fun. Did I mention what that will do for a persons skill sets?

[ShaiVong]

Yah; don't get too caught up in the "useless/usefull for defense" rut. Some guns may be better than others in the wounding catagory, but I don't go around wounding people all day either. :rolleyes:

If some dude wants to get one for a truck gun, "defenseless" would never cross my mind! How is somebody with a 9mm firearm helpless? What, do you get mob buffalo attacks on your way to work every day? :neener:

If somebody started shooting at me with a 10/22 I wouldnt stand there and say "pffft! You have to upgrade to a 5.56 before I even THINK about you as a serious threat!". As a matter of fact, assuming I was carrying my Glock and my 10/22, and had to shoot at something 50 yards away, I would fire the 10/22 first!

As a wise man once said to me: "a few well placed shots with a .22 are worth any number of near misses with a .45" :p

[355sigfan]

. I will have fun shooting this rifle.
2. If I have fun shooting this rifle, I will be shooting it often.
3. If I shoot often, I will become proficient.
3. If I become proficient, the rifle will be useful for more serious measures, if need be.

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Thats great but its not a rifle. To be a rifle it needs to be chambered in a rifle round. Its a pop gun. For the other poster if I had a 1022 and a Glock and the threat was 50 yards away I would use the GLock. I can hit out to 100 yards on a man sized target with my glock. Its no great feat. I want to do more than irritate the threat.
Pat

[ShaiVong]

I can hit out to 100 yards on a man sized target with my glock. Its no great feat. I want to do more than irritate the threat.

Assuming a man sized target though. Can you make a neck/face shot with your first shot? What if the target is back to, do you feel as confidant in making your first shot a spine shot? You don't have the stability with a pistol that you do with a long gun.

Look; I'm not trying to start an A vs B fight here, I'm just saying that any firearm is a deadly weapon, and should be given the respect that it deserves. We're not in Jihadistan here trying to shoot our way out of a city!

I would never keep my AR in a vehicle either if it was going to be unsupervised, it's just too much money. I just dont understand the fuss about caliber selection. If you shoot it once and it doesnt die; shoot it until it does!

[355sigfan]

Well at 50 yards I would feel more confident with a pistol in a service caliber than any 22 rifle. I understand your point. But I am saying if you need a long gun you need the power that goes along with it.
Pat

[jame]

How many guys can shoot a 9mm handgun more accurately than a 9mm rifle?

"n :a shoulder firearm with a long barrel and a rifled bore
Example: he lifted the rifle to his shoulder and fired"

Sound like a rifle to me.

[QB]

I purchased mine just to have fun with at the range. My indoor range will let me shoot a pistol caliber rifle on the handgun range. Just a little variety for me, that's all. Had a SW5PAD and SW5PDW in 9mm that I sold a few months ago and thought that this less expensive rifle would fill the void. A really fun little gun!!!!! Had a bunch of Beretta pre-bans that I kept when I sold my Beretta handguns so I'll put them to good use. The Storm is the only carbine I own as I really am a semi-automatic pistol type person.

Other people will purchase this carbine for many different reasons than mine and of course that's perfectly fine. As far as being used as a defensive gun? There will always be debate over what gun (pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, 1911, non-1911, etc) "should" be used for defense not to mention the caliber wars and the comments about how much a defensive gun should cost ("how much is your life worth" comments....you've seen them in other posts). Each person must decide what's best for their situation. Hopefully the decision will be made using the best possible data that they had available to them (and from competent sources).

While there are some good points made in these posts, there is no reason to "attack" someone else's purchase. While a 9mm carbine might be a "pop gun" to you, your own gun may be considered a "pop gun" to someone else. Depends on ones point of view. While it's apparent that posting a condescending comment gives some people a testosterone rush, it's really rather old and tiresome behaviour.

So, here's my favorite "pop gun"........

http://home.comcast.net/~patricia.coombs/Guns/CX4_Storm.jpg

I reversed the gun to be configured for a left handed shooter which was a nice option to have. On order are rails, scope, light, sling, case......will post another picture when I have it all decked out (for fun....for fun......) ;)

[355sigfan]

n :a shoulder firearm with a long barrel and a rifled bore
Example: he lifted the rifle to his shoulder and fired"

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A little oversimplified. According to that defination anything from a submachine gun to a M60 is a rifle.
Pat

[Kurt]

I believe I can see the initial stages of a no-win situation with those who believe the Beretta is something more than a plinker, and I’d like to offer some further opinions.

It really appears that some guys feel that they were (or should have been) born already knowing the finer points of weaponry (ballistics, tactics and equipment), so no one can tell them a thing, and especially not some ordinary fellow board members.

Expand that interesting technique a little for me. With a likewise average knowledge base, would you stand there and argue up a "storm" at the electronics counter when someone is explaining some new technology to you? How about some equal scenarios when a teacher, grocer, doctor, mechanic or financial advisor is offering some valid advice.

You completely lose the argument on a serious topic like this when you rely only upon your heartfelt feelings and unsubstantiated theories of why you trust in the Beretta, instead of offering some knowledge of ballistics (terminal and otherwise), some street smarts of what and whom you may be up against in an actual defensive situation, and then how you expect something like that type of firearm to help you out.

Also, when you make light of any potential adversary or scenario, you simply show your naiveté. Sure, you may one day face only a crazed, near-sighted and feeble old guy with a .22 revolver …..or maybe nobody at all. But you could also somehow manage to magnificently anger a complete outlaw m/c gang on their worst day……and in an isolated area. If all you have along is something like this Beretta, you had best hope for something resembling that older fella on your next "do or die" encounter, because that’s much closer to what you’ve prepped for.

Yes, good tactics will be crucial if ever faced with a worst-case scenario. But if ever justified, some hits with a few powerful and penetrating 243, 30-30, 308 rounds or even .223’s or 12ga. slugs won’t hurt your case at all. If you are faced with anything less, just count your blessings and hug your kids.

:)

[Onslaught]

Thanks to all this insight, I've decided to sell ALL of my feeble, inadequate 9mm, .40, and .45 pistols and buy more ARs since I'd obviously do nothing more than make a bad guy mad if I tried to stop him with anything less than a serious rifle round... :p

QB - I can't say it's true for the Storm as I have not fired one... BUT for most blowback operated rifles, a left handed person gets a face full of "blowback" from the ejection port. Dirtier ammo has more crud in that blowback and your face actually gets dirty from it.

I personally am calling a truce and we can just agree to disagree. I don't (and never did) care what you say about the rifle itself... I only ask that you think twice about what you say or infer about those who do want them... Besides, the Doctor says the medication is working, and they may even take off the straight jacket in a couple weeks :cool:

Kain't we all just git along?

:D

[QB]

Onslaught -- thanks for the info on the ejection port and left handed shooters. I shot the gun last night and it was great fun with no ill affects from the ejection port. Maybe that's because I changed the ejection port over to the other side (for a left handed shooter). That was one of the options I liked about the Storm (being able to reverse the ejection port and the cocking handle).

[telewinz]

Saw one hanging on the dealers wall yesterday for $650. Looks neat but other than higher magazine capacity it doesn't do anything a Hi-Point does at less than 1/3 the price.

[curt]

Okay okay things have gotten a little off thread from when i started this. I simply wanted to know what requirements people thought the storm would fulfill for them, i actually got my answer on the first page.

Its been a good run but has now gottten way off into subjective opinions, some of them not pertaining to the gun but to the owners of the gun, which i did not intend. So unless you have something to say about the requirements please start another thread.

Thanks
curt

[Onslaught]

Sorry Curt... Hopefully, this is within your original intentions of the post...

QB, can you reverse the cocking handle and ejection port seperately of each other? In other words, if I want it to eject on the left side, but have the cocking handle on the right side, or if I wanted both on one side, do I have that option?

Being left handed, this is one thing that has REALLY interested me in the CX4.

Hmmm... another use that I was just wondering about. I wonder how the 9mm Storm would do against small varmints wearing body armour? Both my father in law and uncle have problems with Armadillos. One uses a 30-06 (because he lives in the boonies and can do whatever he wants at 3:00am) and the other uses a .22 because he lives in a VERY expensive (literally half million dollar and up) neighborhood. The .22 often requires multiple hits.

[355sigfan]

Thanks to all this insight, I've decided to sell ALL of my feeble, inadequate 9mm, .40, and .45 pistols and buy more ARs since I'd obviously do nothing more than make a bad guy mad if I tried to stop him with anything less than a serious rifle round...
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Pistols are carried because its not possible to carry longguns around all day. Only a fool would bring a handgun to a gunfight however. Thats what one is doing with the storm.
Pat

[Onslaught]

Police Firearms Instructor.
Urban Rifle Instructor.
Colt M16/AR15 Armorer.
Glock Armorer..
You left out "all around nice guy" :D

Only a fool would bring a handgun to a gunfight however. Thats what one is doing with the storm.


RULES OF CONDUCT:

4.) Spamming, trolling, flaming, and personal attacks are prohibited. You can disagree with other members, even vehemently, but it must be done in a well-mannered form. Attack the argument, not the arguer.

What part of this can you not understand?

[Warner]

355sigfan, some don't like to be confused by the facts, and I believe curt is technically correct, but way off-target by not welcoming some pertinent side discussion about the thoughts and concepts surrounding this gun.

Would a new thread titled, "For those of you laughing after a Beretta Storm" ever be allowed around here? . . . or are only certain "nice" opinions welcome anymore.

A persons mindset is as (or more) important than his choice of weapons, so discussion on this IS part of the "argument".

[355sigfan]

RULES OF CONDUCT:

4.) Spamming, trolling, flaming, and personal attacks are prohibited. You can disagree with other members, even vehemently, but it must be done in a well-mannered form. Attack the argument, not the arguer.

What part of this can you not understand?
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I understand them quite well. I never did personally attack anyone. I did attack the argument as the rules say and not the arguer. I did not spam or flame. Like Warner said is open free discussion permitted here or not?
Pat

[curt]

warner, way off target or not i did start the thread and so believe i should weigh in when it goes to far astray. If you don't like it then start your own thread.

I don't like the tone of some of these responses and don't feel that they contribute anything but bad feelings. I never asked for anyones opinions on the appropriateness of the beretta carbine or whether anyone thought that someones was talking out of their nether reqions, just asked users what their requirements were. I have my own opinions on these matters but have witheld them because they are not appropriate to the thread topic or don't foster open discussion.

onslaught you are correct in your comment about the rules of the forum and your question about varmints with body armor is entirely appropriate and probably something folks here might be curious about. Frankly when i discounted hunting in my original post i did not think about varmint control.

[Warner]

Good luck with your thread curt, I'm outta here.

I can find plenty of "victims" elsewhere - and they're really not too attractive in a place like this.

Peace on Earth :)

[QB]

Onslaught -- the cocking handle can be on either side independently of anything else.

[Gewehr98]

Not attacking the posters in the thread, nor the utility of the weapon, but darned if that doesn't look like something that came out the south end of a northbound injection molding machine. For $650, you say? P.T. Barnum was right! :scrutiny:

[QB]

For anyone that may be interested in a Storm. Sporting Arms has them for $569.

http://www.sportingarms.com

I've purchased bunches of guns from Tom/Becky and they are a stand up company. In fact, I'm going to see them today to pick up my second Storm (this one will be configured for a right handed shooter)!!!! :D

[Kurt]

Pardon a few parting off-topic thoughts curt, but I speak with an eye to the future.

I have noticed two things here. There have been no troll like posts or personal attacks here, just opinions that some strongly disagree with. Those with an alternate viewpoint have been the ones to stick to the topics at hand, while the others state their “feelings” and post board rules. Nobody learns anything like that guys.

When Onslaught can fill an entire post with nothing pertinent to the topic, like he just did to 355sigfan, and also very closely resemble one of those victims him or herself in a lot of other posts, I also feel the need to exit now too. Back-and-forth discussion cannot exist in an enviornment like that for very long.

IMO, without these honest opinions from some members, this thread would have died on the vine.

Cheers

[Geech]

For $650, you say? P.T. Barnum was right!

I feel the same way! I wouldn't want to spend that much on a "pseudo-rifle". As far as cheap plinking goes, I'd prefer to use something that's actually inexpensive!

If it was cheaper I would consider getting one just for fun, but right now I can get the Hi-Point to fill that roll.

[Min]

I have one. It shoulders very well. It feels like a natural extension of me.

If someone breaks into my home at night I will pick up the CX4, not the Remington 870, not the AR15.

With a couple of 15-rd mags filled with JHP or JSP and a mounted light, I am capable of precision shooting, i.e. Mozambique drill on the perp.

A shotgun will cause too much collateral damage to my property, and I also don't want the guy's guts all over the place for me to clean up.

An AR15 would have too much flash and the report would be deafening indoors, and I don't want my ears ringing all night.

[355sigfan]

A shotgun will cause too much collateral damage to my property, and I also don't want the guy's guts all over the place for me to clean up.

An AR15 would have too much flash and the report would be deafening indoors, and I don't want my ears ringing all night.
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How will the shotgun cause more collateral damage to your property unless you plan on missing. Also it will not blow the guys guts all over like in the movies. The ar15 should have a flash hider. IF your stuck with a postban then it would be a good idea to use ammunition with a low flash. Its not hard to find. ALso all guns are loud you will go into audatory exclusion if your in a gunfight. You probably will not hear the gunshots anyway.
Pat

[telewinz]

Heck, I'm still trying to save-up for the Hi-Point carbine. Guess I'll rely on a fork and butter knife till then:D

[Min]

How will the shotgun cause more collateral damage to your property unless you plan on missing. Also it will not blow the guys guts all over like in the movies.

No one plans on missing.

And do you know for sure a SG won't fling little bits of body tissue on your wallpaper?


:)

Anyway, that's just my opinion, and my approach to home defense.


Now, if I had to protect myself against a pissed-off motorcycle gang, then hell yeah, get the AR15 baby!

[355sigfan]

For home defense I recomend the shotgun over the AR15 even though I believe the AR15 is a far better weapon system. The reason is politics. It is easy to defend shooting someone with a ordinary shotgun vs an evil ASSAULT RIFLE. But thats another discussion.
Pat

[keederdag]

Now Telewitz, you must have at least one toothbrush made into a shank, you took home from work....No? I'm Gonna start a collection up to get you that durn Hi-point Carbine, so's you can defend yerself. Soon as I get done Loading my AR-15 with 55 grain tinfoil wrapped hollow-point's. Gotta cover all bases, since Sig said my .700 nitro express just won't do.:D

[telewinz]

Thanks for the concern but alas if you check under the Rifle forum you may note I've had my eye (eyes?) on a new 1927A1 Deluxe Thompson. Can you picture me at the range blasting away with it (I can!)? Thirteen pounds of machined steel and totally useless:D It's beautiful yet I'm in love and it would be totally insane to take my hard earned money and indulge myself in such a juvenile manner. What would you do with such a thing you might ask?

1. Dress-up in a 3 peice suit and REALLY look like a ganster.

2. Dress-up in my old army uniform and pretend I'm Vic Morrow (I WAS an Army sergeant anyhow)

3. Go to the range and just let people slobber over me.

4. Post my range report and claim I shot sub-one inch groups at 100 yards.

5. Just hold it close to me and slobber over it.

6. Hang it up and just look at it.

Mighty fine reasons if you ask me.:rolleyes:

Course I could let you take up a collection for my Thompson fund but I guess that wounldn't be right.:uhoh: Yep, all I have to do is jump in my car sometime this week and do the dirty deed. I am getting a promotion (95% chance) and Christmas is coming (sorry for you kids). Did I mention how great the 1927A1 looks? Its a piece of art, how can you put a price on a piece of art? I think I know where my moral duty lies, I'll not collect guns from now on, I'll collect fine WORKING art. I'm so civic minded.:D

[355sigfan]

And do you know for sure a SG won't fling little bits of body tissue on your wallpaper?
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Well I have responded to my share of gunshot wounds and deaths. There will be blood. But most of it will be on the floor. Unless were talking a suicide with a shotgun or rifle where the head is shot. Then it will be all over the place.
Pat

[telewinz]

Sure glad I don't live with you, there is limits to what a mop and bucket can do.:D

[keederdag]

Not to mention the smell.

Note to self; start petition to sent Air-fresheners in bulk to AK.

Hey Tele; what's a semi-auto Thompson cost these day's?
Personnally, I think you have overlooked a possible use; Benchrest.:D

Just think of it, Shooting sub MOA groups and putting all those fools to shame; Only thing is....where to get the scope mount for the X24 luepold.:D

[Dr.Rob]

OK we've gone WAY off topic, I'm gonna close this round down.

Everyone take a deep breath.