[George Hill]

Okay people, reality check here:

Who here has actually had a part in your Beretta break?
Whe here has actually had a part in another gun break?

[10-Ring]

I have 2, both roughly 10 years old & (knock on wood) haven't had parts break :D

[Tamara]

Broken a part in one of my handguns? Offhand, not that I remember.

Seen broken parts in a handgun? Unfair question, as I see broken guns every day at work. The only major brand that I haven't personally seen a busted example of is Kahr, but I'm sure they break, too.

Remember: all guns suck.

[Skunkabilly]

I have a prototype Elite II, one of the first 8 or 12 made, purchased September 2001.

Grip screws broke on mine earlier this year when I overtightened them.

1st generation extended magazine button early '02 at an IPSC match. The early mag buttons were nubs glued onto the mag releases. Production Elite IIs don't have this problem.

Trigger went out on a cop's Beretta at a class, I suspected the trigger bar spring got dislocated or broke.

Locking block broke on a lady's Italian 92SB (? the one with the heel release) at the range.

Other guns:

Firing pin bushing broke on P7M8.

[Devonai]

Nary a problem with my Beretta 92FS, after somewhere around 7,000 rounds.

[Kamicosmos]

Well um.

I hope this is on every beretta. Perhaps Skunk could take a look at his for me.

By the firing pin, on the left side. In the 'frame' that holds the pin. I have a ... gap. I hadn't noticed this, so it could be factory. A friend pointed it out while we were cleaning guns the other nite. The gap, or cut, looks pretty sharp, like it could be factory, like a drain or gas check.

Edited to add Pic:
http://www.kamicosmos.com/Other/THRPics/B96gap.jpg

Gun is eight years old, with probably 4-5 thousand rounds through it, maybe more. I'm rather embarassed about this, especially if it is a problem.

Otherwise, never broken a part on any of my guns.

[Gordon]

Why don't somebody ask the armorers at Thunder Ranch or Gunsite or another volume training school what is the #1 broken part they see on guns shot 400-1200 rounds quickly? I do own a 92F but I am not sold on the design for hi volume fire ,and no mine hasn't broke in 2000rnds.:cool:

[Tamara]

The gap, or cut, looks pretty sharp, like it could be factory, like a drain or gas check.

Next time you put your slide back on the gun, watch the ejector. ;)

[Kamicosmos]

Thanks Tam!! Yeah, that big chunk of ejector sticking off the slide slips right along that gap.


Whew. Me=Relieved. I thought it looked a bit to purposeful to be a weakened area.

So...uh. Nope, no busted Beretta's here!

[Skunkabilly]

But they suck! 9mms suck! Only .45 1911s can do a job right....

[MoNsTeR]

My wife's SS Brigadier has probably 2 or 3 thousand rounds through it, and no breakages. Heck, the recoil spring hasn't even worn out.

On the other hand, my Dan Wesson Pointman Major has had...
- the plunger tube work loose
- the hammer start to follow
- the rear sight roll pin come loose twice
- the replacement solid pin shear off
- the rear sight elevation screw shear in half
- the grip safety stop working
in less than 1500 rounds.

[George Hill]

Personally, I've had Sigs break in my hands, Kimbers, an HK USP, and a Glock. I've not had a 1911 or a Beretta 92 series break in my hands.

Observed? Charles Daly, Taurus, Walther, 2 Ruger autos... and many others.

My point being... this BS about Beretta parts breaking, is just that. BS. The are one of the better handguns on the market and do not deserve this breakage crap.

You know, I've owned about 2 dozen Audis and not one of them suddenly accelerated without me stomping the gas... yet people STILL hack Audis for it.

Ignorant perpetuations of a stereotypes.

[bountyhunter]

The only 92FS part that seemed to break on a regular basis was the locking block, and it has been beefed up to account for it. FWIW, the original 92's averaged more than 30,000 rounds until significant failure in the Army's qual testing. They can't be too prone to breaking.

[jade]

Kamicosmos,

i noticed that same bit on my beretta a while back. i almost freaked out. instead, i went to my favorite gun shop and looked at a new one. same thing. whew!
jade

[Skunkabilly]

But George, if they were so great, why doesn't SEEL Team 37.5 carry them? Haven't you heard about the slides coming back and raping your firstborn? Or the locking blocks? Or that they gum up with sand, I can't carry at the beach anymore! There is NO 1" accuracy claim at 100 yards and the thing is so big, no one smaller than the Mad Ogre can conceal one!!! :rolleyes:

[10-Ring]

Skunk's got a point! The 92's are pure evil :evil:

[schadenfreude]

I had no idea........I better sell mine right away. :rolleyes: :uhoh:


:D

[CZF]

South Africans have been using Berettas for a long time now. Early
80s 92SBs (round trigger guard) are still in the Police inventory..
and a much better gun than the Vektor Z88, a 92F copy.

You don't hear of broken Berettas or Z88s, because they stick with
standard loads like the PMP hardball for duty, and don't try to push
the envelope with using ultra hot loads in their guns.

I carried a 92FS for 3 years. Nary a problem with it. Never shot any
ammo in it but my issued Federal 9BP.

While I have had malfunctions with Glocks, I've never had a jam with
a Beretta or CZ.

Maybe the new plastic parts in the Berettas are giving problems????

[Skunkabilly]

Don't sneeze on your Beretta or the mucus (sp?) particles will gum up the locking mechanism.

PS if the Beretta gives you blisters on your hands, GET A GLOCK :D (*cough* Chief Bratton *cough*) :neener:

[Badger Arms]

Smith & Wesson K, L, and J frame Firing pins: Had two broken, bought three guns with broken firing pins to repair over the years.
Ruger Bisley/Vaquero: Broken Transfer bar (casting flaw)

Whoops, you said autoloaders.

Kel-Tec P11, Slide Release was cracked from the Factory
CZ Duo: Striker cracked
CZ 52: Firing pin broken twice, lesson is don't dry fire your CZ52 and buy a spare firing pin, NOW

[Tamara]

But they suck! 9mms suck! Only .45 1911s can do a job right....

No, Skunk; they suck, too. Back ta skul with ya'... ;)

[WonderNine]

I had the front blade sight on an MKIII Hi-Power break in two, the bottom part stayed on the sight bevel, the blade flew who knows where. This was during one of my extended shooting sessions in sub-zero weather.

Never had a part break on a couple different Beretta 92 Inox's, but we all know some of the factory original trigger return springs have the tendancy to break and from time to time you hear about the Inox's slide stop shearing off.

[Tamara]

Ooh... Forgot: I cleaned the front sight off a G23 during a barricade stage at a match some ten years ago... :uhoh: :o

[Sean Smith]

Shot 3 different unreliable Beretta M9s, but never saw one actually break anything. That was in the Army years ago, and in fairness for all I know the armorers replaced the mag springs with off-brand spaghetti or something.

(The 4th one was an awesome gun.)

I had a Glock 20C break a slide stop. What? A Glock break?!?! :eek:

(Other 3 Glocks never broke anything.)

Had a S&W 610 Classic break the firing pin right off the hammer. Who said revolvers don't break?! :eek: :eek:

(Once that was fixed it worked, well, like a good 'Smith revolver.)

Had a Colt eat an extractor once, entire front end of the hook came of... this being a mid-1990s Delta Elite. Replaced it with an AFTEC and tried real hard to break it again, but failed. :D

(Other 2 Colts were shot to hell and never broke anything.)

Technically, my old Para-Ordnance P14-45 didn't break anything, but only because it never worked, and so never had the chance to. Had a Kel-Tec P32 break before I could even shoot it... hard to beat that.

Bottom line is, it seems like almost anything can work, or not work. You've really got to take guns one at a time.

EDITED TO ADD: Actually, I broke a chunk off a Glock sight, too. :mad:

[bountyhunter]

I had the front blade sight on an MKIII Hi-Power break in two, the bottom part stayed on the sight bevel, the blade flew who knows where.

My HP did exactly the same thing. It's pretty common, although the guy at Browning factory said it was impossible because the sight was milled from a solid piece of stock.

The sight gets stress on the base when forced into a dovetail that is not perfectly straight and eventually, it breaks along the stress line.

[Chindo18Z]

Problems w/ My Beretta (M9):

I have had a locking block lug shear off in my weapon while firing (completely jammed the weapon; required trip to armorer's vise and hand tools to disassemble and remove). This occurred during CQB type training course in 2000.

I have had a trigger return spring break while firing, disabling trigger function. This occurred 2001.

I have replaced a second locking block on a second M9 after discovering crack (about 40% thru lug) while performing weapon maintenance after firing. 2001

Problems w/ Others' Berettas (also M9s):

I observed the trigger return spring on my boss's M9 break during range trainup for Afghanistan. He was amazed that the trigger no longer made the gun go boom. Occurred 2001.

I have had one of my team member's M9 go down due to broken locking block while standing in the middle of nowhere (expedient firing range) in Bosnia. This was disconcerting to him because he was now the only dude in sight without a working weapon. We laughed at him...but it wasn't really funny. 1998.

I have observed another team member's M9 drop the trigger return spring into the dirt while practicing transition drills. To be fair, his right grip panel had become loose and he didn't notice until he drew and weapon failed to fire. Occurred 1999. During the same range session, another NCO's M9 suffered from having the right decocking lever (an aluminum casting) shear off (probably from being chunked into a pile of LBV and other gear while holstered in the owner's assault vest).

I have seen 2 broken locking blocks at remote detachment firebases in Afghanistan (two different locations). 2002.

I once counted forty-seven (47) broken locking blocks (collected in a little pile) produced by the 83 assigned weapons in my unit during a 12 month period (Oct 99-Oct 00). We were using the pistols quite a bit...

On the Other Hand:

I recently watched about 20+ soldiers conduct M9 familiarization drills using the same four range weapons for everyone. Each man fired between 50 and 100 rds. All weapons functioned without a stutter.

I once deliberately put 850+ rds thru my M9 without benefit of additonal oil or cleaning (other than applying a shaving brush to knock of the sand) just to see if I could get that puppy to jam. It didn't...but it started to cycle sluggishly. At that point, I field stripped it on the range during lunch hour, did a modicum of cleaning with a brush and a rag, added some CLP, and was back to firing after lunch. This was a CQB type training course involving a lot of movement thru a range surface made of sand.

I carry a Beretta because I have to. It's issued. I also own one so that I can practice on my own time with the same type weapon I am issued.

Personally Observed Problems Other Pistols (Just to be Fair):

In 1978, the plunger tube on my GI 1911A1 started to work loose but never actually interfered with function. Armorer repaired it.

In 1983, I had the firing pin stop on another GI 1911A1 completely break in half while firing (which of course disabled the weapon). I dropped a new one in (spare parts in range kit) after re-seating the firing pin/firing pin spring and was good to go.

I also saw another 1911A1 dropped from the back of a moving 2.5 ton truck (out of an unfastened shoulder holster). The pistol landed on a clay tank trail and was promptly run over by the back set of wheels (the deuce and a half was backing up). The owner, a might bit concerned, policed up the weapon, knocked the clay and sand off, walked over to the firing line, and loaded her up. She fired without a hitch and continued to fire accurately for the next 2 weeks of training. If you ever plan on running over your weapon, I heartily endorse a steel frame over an aluminum one :D .

Not a Pistol, But:

I have had the operating rod break clean thru on an AK-47 (right behind the gas piston). Really.

[WonderNine]

I have had the operating rod break clean thru on an AK-47 (right behind the gas piston). Really.

I don't understand why they don't make it one solid piece instead of two.

[Dr.Rob]

Dented the end of a guide rod in a custom 1911.. yowza.. no more Pro-Load ammo for me.

Looks like I busted/wore down the sear on same pistol.

It's a full custom job range-toy anyway, though i wanted it to be a tacti-cool carry gun.

George, wasn't it YOU that broke your Stainless Springfield in HALF?

That swore me off those.

[yayarx7]

Lost the front sight of my Sigma while shooting, TWICE!

My LLama's soft slide mushroomed at the front lugs TWICE, and the Firing pin had a tendancy to stick.

That is all. Cheap (as opposed to inexpensive) guns you know.

[cool45auto]

You guys are crazy, Beretta's are the best guns made!:neener:

[Sheldon]

I had my locking block break on my 1989 Italian 92FS as well as the right side safety lever (is just made of sheet metal and broke at the 90 degree bend). The pistol has been shot a lot and the block was the older style. I still am satisfied enough with its performance to have bought another one......granted I got a good deal on the second one.

[Inoxmark]

Slide release broke on my 96FS. During range session had an FTF, looked at the gun and saw the the slide release hanging off the side, held by the spring: the pin broke clean off.

[George Hill]

"George, wasn't it YOU that broke your Stainless Springfield in HALF?"
No, when that started happening to some other cats, I shipped mine off to Springfield and had a Carbon Steel slide replaced for free - no charge. They also tightened up the action, accuracy and fitted a new barrel and bushing... all at no charge.

BTW, that was from a very small batch (about 24 guns) that had their slided heat treated twice which resulted in brittelness and the breaks. All 24 bad slides have been accounted for with no injuries to anyone.

Would I buy another Springfield? Heck Yeah!

[Skunkabilly]

Inoxmark, have you had any problems with your 96 Inox extractor?

[berettaman]

My sparkler wheel wore smooth on my Flash Gordon ray gun afew years ago. Talk about a hard to find factory part.:what:

My only Beretta breakage was when one broke my heart because I had to sell it about 15 years ago.We was po and we was hungree!:eek:

[albanian]

Other guns I have had have broken minor parts but not my Beretta.

[Inoxmark]

Skunkabilly, no problems with s/steel extractor.

[Will Fennell]

This is a good thread, and it reminds me of one of my favorite THR threads, started awhile back by Skunky......

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31588&perpage=25&highlight=Break&pagenumber=1

....back to your previously scheduled program:cool:

[dsk]

I mostly shoot 1911s, so my other guns really haven't been fired enough to break anything. I've had a few plunger tubes come loose, seen a couple of cracked firing pin stop plates, and noticed locking lugs starting to get peened (on an older gun). But the only bad one was the FPS plunger block breaking in two on an early Series II Kimber. That didn't annoy me nearly as much as the factory refusing to send me a new part.

[1911Tuner]

The only one that I've ever owned was an early one with the frame-mounted safety. Aside from the feeling that the pistol was too big for
the caliber, it was rleiable and as accurate as I could hope for. I bought it
used, and shot it extensively...probably 20,000 rounds. The pistol never
malfunctioned with any ammo that I could find to stuff in it. Overall, a
good pistol. The slide cracked on the right side just below the extractor
near the end of my ownership. Beretta replaced it and paid shipping
both ways. Turnaround time was reasonable, and I had no complaints.

I've HEARD of slides breaking, but have never seen one break. Other,
minor issues on high-mileage pistols come to mind, but nothing more
serious than a bad extractor or mag catch.

Tuner

[James Bondrock]

On a Glock 19, I had a slide lock (the part you pull down to release the slide from the frame) spring break and the slide lock fall out while shooting. I had just emptied a magazine, the slide was locked back, and I inserted a full magazine to reload, not noticing the missing part. When I released the slide, the slide, barrel and recoil spring launched off the front of the frame and into the dirt. I have broken trigger bar springs on two SIGs, a P220 and a P228. Without the spring pushing the trigger bar up, the trigger becomes disconnected and swings back and forth in the frame from its own weight. If you turn the gun upside down, the bar will fall back into place and become connected again, but I did not try to shoot it this way. ;) SIG is supposed to have a redesigned spring, with a corresponding grip panel to accommodate it. On a Kahr E9 (a little seen "economy" version of the K9), I had a front sight fall off. Unlike the K series, the front sight has two little pegs that go into holes in the slide; the plastic pegs are then mushroomed over on the underside to stay in place. (I would have spent the extra bucks for a K9 if I had known this. ) This parts breakage differs from the others in that it did not render the gun inoperable. I do not own a Beretta 92 series, so cannot comment on that.

[Beav]

Whew!

Thank God for the highroad. I just discovered the "gap" that Kamicosmos posted earlier in this thread. WTH over?!?! :D

[Boats]

I have had the 92FS and the 8045 in the past. Never had a malfunction with either pistol. However, everytime I fired the Berettas after shooting 1911s the Beretta triggers felt broken. That's always when I realized that's just the way they are.

Aside from lots of pretravel, some creep, and quite a bit of overtravel, there is nothing wrong with any duty Beretta that a trigger redesign wouldn't fix.

[schadenfreude]

That's exactly how I feel now that I own a 1911 as well. The beretta was fine until I fired the 1911.

[cracked butt]

Despite my best efforts and about 3000 rds through mine, nothing has broken yet.

I had one stoppage- a fte, while shooting handloads that had a minimum powder charge on a very cold day.

I had one casehead failure that blew the trigger bar out of the frame and peeled back the RH grip panel. Was able to put it back together when I go tit home, gunsmith checked it over and found no problems with it. I've put 1500 rds through it since without a problem.


My only complaint is th trigger- I've had the trigger polished up a bit, the single action pull and feel is excellent, still don't like the DA trigger.

[George Hill]

LTT can solve your trigger pull woes. Reasonable price too. I am thinking about that for my Cougar right now.
My 92 already had a trigger job on it and it was just sick how crisp it was in SA mode, and how smooth and light it was in DA. That spoiled me and I want that in my Cougar now.

[schadenfreude]

LTT can solve your trigger pull woes.

As soon as I am done tinkering with my 1911 for a while I am going to send my vertec to him. I was just going to order some parts but for a little bit more I can have the best go through the pistol.

Small price to pay

[andrew17]

LTT? Who, what, where?
Thx

[andrew17]

Havent had any broken parts with my 92fs or 8045. I cant remember a jam either. The FS has somewhere over 10k rounds through it. The Cougar is much newer with probably 500 shots fired.

[Beav]

http://www.langdontactical.com/el.html

[FireInTheHole]

I have broken two minor parts on my USA made 92FS INOX in the 4 years I have owned it --over 12,000rds--.

1st part to break occured about 1 year ago (maybe less maybe more): Hammer Release Lever.
COST TO FIX: ~$100 (Gunsmith) because I didnt know I could order parts from beretta directly.... :barf:

2nd occured more recently, maybe 2 months ago. Really wierd break. The short spring bushing in the mag catch assembly sheared off. No clue how.
CTF: ~$4 + s&h, 10 minutes of my time. :)

There is a third, but I dont think it counts as it is not part of the original gun. I had the front night sight fall out of the frame... not sure I'm going to replace it. Might have happened because of my use of brake cleaner in the cleaning process... it has actually stripped the re paint off the dot under the hammmer release and the extractor... :what:

[A Haslem]

The locking block broke on my 92 after about 4000 rounds of mostly light reloads, 5.0 gr of Unique and 115 gr Berry.

I also had the safety break on a Kimber.

Both companies replaced the parts for free. Beretta even put a new barrel on the gun although nothing was wrong with the old one I was very impressed by their customer service.

[BHPshooter]

I had the firing pin retaining plate crumble apart on my FEG Hi Power clone. It was WAY cheap metal.

New Browning part, a little polishing with a stone, and it's all better.

Wes

EDIT: I feel dumb, I thought I posted this in the OTHER thread that was linked to here, asking if you've ever broke anything... :o

[JeffC]

I've never had anything break on a Beretta.

I have had a barrel split on my Glock 31 357Sig.
And I had the breechface crack on a Glock 21 45acp.

[Cosmoline]

I've seen parts BEND rather sharply, but not actually break.

[Peter M. Eick]

I broke a series of mag followers in my 96 years ago. I went through 3 of them in the course of a month or so and so I ordered 5 of them. The last two have rotted in the spare parts box ever since. No problems in years.

[Erik Jensen]

my namesake pistol (a 1986 model) has far more rounds through it than I could even begin to count. who knows how many went through it before I got it?! in all the thousands of rounds that I've put through it, I've had 4 problems.

1-4: slide locked back with one round still in mag. attributed to my occasionally lackadaisical(sp?) cleaning regimen. when yon pistola is cleaned more often than every couple hundred rounds, no problems. :neener: so, nothing wrong with the gun, just me. :D

now, my Kahr had a problem from the factory with the slide locking back mid-mag. that, however was because it simply doesn't like Gold Dots. plus, that was during the break-in period. perhaps I'll run a box or two of Gold Dots through her again to see if she still finds them distasteful.

[Tamara]

Saw an interesting busted firing pin on a 92FS yesterday. It was broken... well, pretty much everywhere it could be broken; into four pieces. :uhoh: Beretta thoughtfully charged him eight bucks for the replacement. Considering they also charged him for the trigger return spring that had broken some three hundred rounds previously as well the recoil spring that was as limp as over-boiled pasta, he was somewhat less than an over-enthusiastic Beretta customer. As a matter of fact, I know where there's a slightly used 92FS for sale now. :uhoh:

Beretta really needs to ease up on their "One Year (and we mean it!) Warranty". As it stands, if you buy the gun, leave it in the box, and don't shoot it for the first time until 366 days after purchase, then you're fiscally responsible for fixing it if it breaks on the first shot.