[cidirkona]

I keep hearing people mention the lift of the ban on 10+ round magazine manufacture... when will this 'ban' expire and what are the chances that it will be renewed?

What's the deal with being able to buy new Paras over the counter wth 13, 14 round magazines new?

-Colin

[MicroBalrog]

In September 2004, 291 days from now.

[GSB]

The mag ban was part of the Assault Weapons Ban set to expire next year. Para can sell standard caps because they cranked up magazine production prior to the ban and so have a large stock of pre-bans, which are legal to sell.

[cidirkona]

Thanks!

What about the chances of ban renewal?

-Colin

[GSB]

What about the chances of ban renewal?

It depends on whom you ask around here. Answers vary from "snowball's chance in Hades" to "almost certain". Bush has said he will sign it if it gets to him. It's all up to Congress, and that's a fickle beast during election season.

[Zach S]

www.awbansunset.com has a congressional scoreboard that's in our favor. Granted, not all the reps have conformed yay or nay, so some, if not most, of them are educated guesses.

What's the deal with being able to buy new Paras over the counter wth 13, 14 round clips new
I dont mean to sound like an a******, but call them mags or magazines please:D If I could think of a nicer way to word that, I would.

[Edward429451]

291 days from now.

What, no hours & minutes?:D

[gunsmith]

17 days 9 hours as of 1600 hours 11 November 2003.
GOD WILLING!

[Cal4D4]

Easy gunsmith, I don't think it will help those in Kali.:mad:

[Dashunde]

Para and a lot of companies started pounding out thousands of magazines right before the law took effect, thus they are "pre-ban" high capacity mags.

[hansolo]

O.K.; I just got a bunch of "stripper mags" for my SKS.....and, please don't call me an aXXhXlX. (I'm a stickler for details, too -- it's a sphincter.):rolleyes:

[KC]

"In September 2004, 291 days from now."

Jeez, MicroBalrog; it sounds like you are planning on being here shortly thereafter...:D

[MicroBalrog]

Jeez, MicroBalrog; it sounds like you are planning on being here shortly thereafter...

As we say here in the IDF: "Freedom doesn't have a price, but it does have a date."

[Zedicus]

well, i'm definatly planning to be back on us dirt shortly after the sunset deadline.
just hope they don't try to give the allreadly long dead horse a blood transfusion, and just burry the thing....:rolleyes:

[gunsmith]

This year!
but if we win the Silviera vrs Lockyer I may not need it

[Zedicus]

good point, but that still rides on if it can get to the Supreme Court, and on the gun comunity winning the case...

despite my not being a lawyer, Personaly I have a "Good Felling" about both the AWB Sunset and Silvia vs Lockyer...

If either or both come out for the better, i see them paving the road for the us getting back in touch with reality & common sence.

sure there will no doubt be somesort of problems from the anti camp, but they will get over it when the crime levels plumet.

though "some" may not...

[Carbonator]

I'd pay money to see the mag limit disappear. If I was to wager though, I'd bet money it's not going to.

[alan]

cidirkona:

Re the so-called assault weapons ban, you asked what were the chances of it being renewed.

Let me ask you a question, rather making what might be a wild guess. What if anything, have you personally done to see that "the sun does set" on this foolishness?

You, and others might well think on that a bit. I turns out that more gun owners than you can imagine, with regard to contacting their "elected things" are about as usefull as the proverbial mamary glands on a boar.

[Dashunde]

To be honest, 10 rounds is all that I really care to pack around anyway.
(Well, ok 12+1 in my Para LDA, but it's the exception.)
I feel the same about it at the range, I only care to load 10 at a time.

However, I dont like the fact that the ignorant law exists in the first place.

[alan]

Dashunde:

The amount of ammunition that you choose to carry is up to you.

Interestingly, you state "To be honest, 10 rounds is all that I really care to pack around anyway."

You then note "(Well, ok 12+1 in my Para LDA, but it's the exception.)", which seems sort of "conflicted", but it's still your choice, for the moment anyhow.

You conclude with the following, "However, I don't like the fact that the ignorant law exists in the first place." Fair enough, neither do I, but re my earlier comments, and I don't intend to be either intrusive or offensive, when did you last contact any of your "elected things" about this "ignorant law", or anything else of concern to you?

Should the answer to that question be within the last week or so, my apoligies.

[Khornet]

picked up one of their "Tac Four" .45 LDA pistols yesterday....complete with two 13-rd mags and a certificate permitting the purchase of two more. Must've been made preban (the mags, I mean).

[CleverNickname]

Yes, Para Ordnance made a whole lot of extra pre-ban mags before the ban, enough to where the factory hasn't run out yet.

[alan]

From some recent posts it appears that some might be a bit uncertain as to exactly what is involved in this so-called Assault Weapons Ban, the one that is scheduled to sun set in mid September 2004. It involves a whole lot more than how many rounds ones pistol magazine or other "ammunition feeding device" might hold.

While supposedly, 19 firearms were involved in the ban, from what I've seen and read over the years, it looks like something on the order of 200 are actually effected. By the way, while there are all sorts of words being slung about, the term "Assault Rifle" is defined as follows. Assault Rifle: A Selective Fire Weapon, Chambered For An Intermediate Power Cartridge. This definition appears in standard reference texts that deal with small arms, and can also be found at www.britannica.com, which used to be a free service. Even more interesting is the following. Given this selective fire capability, such arms would have fallen under the purview of The National Firearms Act of 1934, you might ask Dianne Feinstein about that, assuming that you can get an answer from her. By the bye, the U.S. Army had an "assault rifle" of it's own, years ago. It was known as the M-2 Carbine, and was a rather precise fit with the above mentioned definition.

The term Assault Weapon, actually Semi-Automatic Assault Weapon, isn't that a mouthful, is derived from the fevered brains of congressional staffers, editorial writers and our friends over there at The Brady Group, as they nowadays refer to themselves. Actually, there aren't any such things, however there are all those semi-automatic rifles, a type of arm that have been in fairly common use since before World War 1.

Remember that the ultimate, the unchanging the often stated goal of the anti gunners is THE TOTAL PROSCRIPTION OF FIREARMS. Remember also that in 1994, Senator Feinstein allowed that if she had been able to get the votes, it would have been "Mr and Mrs America, turn them all in", "them" being every single firearm possessed. So don't let them slide by with that bushwah about "reasonable restrictions" or "common sense safety laws", or "doing it for the children" or anything of the sort, for getting back to basic principles, nothing has changed. They will take today, what they can get, and they will always come back for that "other bite".

So when next you hear anyone mouthing that slop about "being reasonable" or "giving the other side something", re giving the other side something, as an Irish friend once observed, "The Back of Me Hand Is What You'l Be Getting", is something for all to remember.

[Dashunde]

Alan..
I thought that my general point was pretty clear*... and who I have contacted about what is my business, whether it be all, none or something in between.

And Yes, singling someone out and asking those types of questions is, in fact, intrusive and offensive. It amounts to "calling someone out", and where I'm from you usually get what your asking for in that respect.

You are correct though... They do keep taking bites and coming back for more. Maybe they need a taste of something else?:evil:


*For those still confused, my point was that I personally have little need for more than 10 because I can't conceal much more, but I still don't like the ill-conceived law.

[gunsmith]

So we do not hang seperate!

[Atticus]

Para Ordnance still makes high cap magazines (or has them made). They are a Canadian company that sells pistols to police agencies in the US, and civilians worldwide (in markets that have not banned high caps). They included a coupon with pistols manufactured prior to the AW ban that can be redeemed now for two high cap mags.. at about $40 a pop. Delivery of those mags takes 8 to 12 weeks, therefore, I suspect that they are being ordered and manufactured to order - not being sourced from a warehouse.

[BowStreetRunner]

if the ban expires i think i might just go buy a new hi-cap for a gun i dont have just for the heck of it.....and maybe buy the gun when i can afford it :D

[Benjamin]

Atticus -- while it is true that Para-Ord currently manufactures LEO magazines, I doubt very much that they are passing off 10+ round mags recently made as being pre-94.

Such action would violate numerous federal laws, and would almost certainly be much more expensive in terms of legal defense and/or fines than their profit.

[alan]

Re Benjamin's comment on Para Ord "Hi-Cap" magazines, how about FACTORY STANDARD, as opposed to what one might quite properly refer to as the Bureaucrats Special, I suspect that prior to the 1994 legislation going into effect, Para as well as other gun and magazine makers, were working "extended schedules" and pounding out as many magazines as they could.

I also imagine, for whatever it might be worth, that the current LE only magazines come from the same source as the earlier ones did, whomever/wherever that might be.

As for the scheduled demise of this idiotic legislation, and the possible return to more sensible times, gentlemen and ladies, when did you last "speak" with your elected things on this, or any other matter of concern to you? The answers to that question, that you might come up with could well prove significant.

[Zundfolge]

So exactly what time will the ban end?

I've got a Konfabulator countdown widget I want to configure :D

http://www.widgetgallery.com/view.php?widget=35836

http://www.widgetgallery.com/shots/35836-shot.jpg

[Andrew Rothman]

That's just a sample, above.

http://www.awbansunset.com has a live counter.

At the moment, it's 275 days, 13 hours and change until the expiry date of 9/13/04.

[britinaz]

Good point GSB! They are STANDARD caps! The 10 round b.s. should be called the Clinton restriction editions. I am a new member and think that this forum is great.

[seeker_two]

Welcome, britinaz... :cool:

I'm looking forward to the AWB sunset too. And buying up some dirt-cheap 10-rd. mags...:D

(...& a few std. caps too. :evil: )