Stoeger coach gun and slugs


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Readyrod
April 21, 2010, 10:28 AM
The Stoeger coach gun comes with fixed improved cylinder and modified chokes. Can it fire slugs ok? If so, what kind of slugs can it fire? Thanks in advance?

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Zack
April 21, 2010, 10:32 AM
Stay away from stoeger cheap models, I had a thread on this. Not slugs, but I did not buy one because.

zhyla
April 21, 2010, 11:16 AM
Zack, I've read thru your thread and I've seen you point at it as the reason people shouldn't buy a Stoeger coach gun twice now, but there's really no factual points in that thread about what's wrong with a cheap Stoeger. The closest I could find to a con of the Stoeger is that it may not be as nicely balanced as a higher end gun.

So what you got against these guns? I'm curious since a friend is considering one.

huntsman
April 21, 2010, 11:35 AM
The Stoeger coach gun comes with fixed improved cylinder and modified chokes. Can it fire slugs ok? If so, what kind of slugs can it fire? Thanks in advance?
yes, where they print is a different story and I'd start with the cheap slugs .

Zack
April 21, 2010, 11:48 AM
Zack, I've read thru your thread and I've seen you point at it as the reason people shouldn't buy a Stoeger coach gun twice now, but there's really no factual points in that thread about what's wrong with a cheap Stoeger. The closest I could find to a con of the Stoeger is that it may not be as nicely balanced as a higher end gun.

So what you got against these guns? I'm curious since a friend is considering one.

I heard its hard to make a SXS because of the barrel or something to that effect. And they are cheap guns. Someone pointed out to me they been making remmy 870's over 10mil easy to mass make, a SXS is harder to do that.

MachIVshooter
April 21, 2010, 12:01 PM
I personally am a little leary of firing slugs through chokes any tighter than IC or maybe LM. M is a .020" constriction.

That's why I like my shorties with cylinder bore.

zhyla
April 21, 2010, 03:05 PM
I heard its hard to make a SXS because of the barrel or something to that effect. And they are cheap guns. Someone pointed out to me they been making remmy 870's over 10mil easy to mass make, a SXS is harder to do that.

The alignment of the barrels, termed "regulation" for some reason, is important. But the only comment about that regarding Stoeger was that their barrels are fine. I think you ought too understand what people are telling you before making recommendations.

chas08
April 21, 2010, 03:31 PM
I personally am a little leary of firing slugs through chokes any tighter than IC or maybe LM. M is a .020" constriction.
You can fire foster style slugs through restrictions as tight as Full with no ill effects to the gun. The space between rifling on the slug allows the soft lead somwhere to go as it swages it's way through the choke. Accuracy may suffer, but the gun won't. There would be countless threads reading something like this; " Rifled Slug Ruined my Gun" on this forum and others if it were any real risk. Countless hunters of the 30's, 40's, and 50's shot slugs through their then commonly choked Full shotguns. Now solid copper slugs, or extra-full Turkey chokes may be a horse of a different color. I am unfamiliar with them. I once owned a Stoeger .410 SxS. It was a great little gun, I wish I still had it.

Zack
April 21, 2010, 03:39 PM
So your saying a stoeger shotgun is good?
sometimes I feel like I get info from people who want top notice things and a basic $300 will fall part in thier terms.

I do not know much on them, I had a forum post and a lot of people said they arnt the best. Maybe they just like higher end guns for comp shooting and shooting MOA for rifle kind of guys. It would it make a good fun gun at the range? or will it fall a part? do you have one?:confused:

NOLAEMT
April 21, 2010, 04:15 PM
my father has one, a "double defense" it is a good little gun. his occasionally had light primer strikes with Remington ammo when new, but it was an easy spring replacement. he has a 20 gauge, and strangely I use it for busting clays when I'm bored, it presents a greater challenge than the 12 gauge 870.

if you just want it for clay shooting, get something better suited. It has very short barrels and doesn't swing very well. My father has his for self defense/dispatching critters in his 26 acres his house is on (:cool:jealous) it was cheap enough that he doesn't feel bad about leaving it in the garage.

Floppy_D
April 21, 2010, 04:41 PM
sometimes I feel like I get info from people who want top notice things and a basic $300 will fall part in thier terms.

All that means is you learned the value of internet advice. :D

I had a Stoeger M2000 (the autoloader) and it ran like a top. I bought mine in camo originally, and later decided that I wanted a shotgun with steel and wood. Was it top notch? No. Was it reliable and afforable? You bet.

@OP It'll fire slugs fine; start with some cheap soft lead slugs, and see where they pattern. I bet at 50yds it's good enough, at a minimum.

KodiakBeer
April 21, 2010, 05:18 PM
I have a Baikal coach gun, and I hear the same sort of disparagement about it. If you're a trap shooter or something, then yeah, maybe avoid the cheap shotguns like Stoeger and Baikal. I suspect they are a little clunkier than a Ruger Red Label.

But these coach guns are defense guns - though I use mine for rabbits also... Both the Stoeger and Baikal are built like tanks and used for their intended purpose, they're hard to beat.

To the OP - your owners manual should straighten you out about using slugs with the chokes installed.

chas08
April 21, 2010, 06:20 PM
So your saying a stoeger shotgun is good?
Yes, I liked mine.
Both the Stoeger and Baikal are built like tanks and used for their intended purpose, they're hard to beat.
I once owned a Stoeger .410 SxS for about seven years. It was the model that preceded the Uplander. I lost it in the flood of '98. I now own three Baikal SxS's in 16,20, & 28 gauges. I think that at their pricepoint, they are as reliable as you're going to find. But they only see a few hundred rounds a year between them all nowadays, not thousands of rounds. I've had no trouble with any of them.

okc-zee
April 21, 2010, 07:08 PM
I own a Stoeger coach gun myself...Did a few simple garage mods and it shoots great...so far I have about 1200 trouble free rounds thru it...

35Rem
April 21, 2010, 07:48 PM
The alignment of the barrels, termed "regulation" for some reason, is important.
Regulate: To adjust to a particular specification or requirement: regulate temperature.

The barrels in a double, be it side by side or over-under, are regulated, or adjusted, to shoot to the same point of impact at a certain distance, usually 40 yards. After that the left barrel is going to shoot more to the right, and the right barrel more to the left. This is in a perfectly regulated shotgun. With the less expensive guns there is less attention paid to how well the barrels are regulated. In the really expensive guns the barrels will be taken apart and adjusted, then soldered back together. The gun is tested and adjusted again, as needed. In the "cheap" guns, close is good enough. Some are better than others.
There are tons of these things in use by cowboy action shooters. There will be bad ones, but if they were all bad they wouldn't be making them anymore.

Zack
April 21, 2010, 07:51 PM
There will be bad ones, but if they were all bad they wouldn't be making them anymore.

You just gave me a point :D I think I will look at getting one again. I just think some peoples opinion come from how they shoot, like they tell you do not get that 2,000 .50bmg its junk you need the 9,000 to shoot sub MOA. Just a example, even though the 2,000 will work you get better aim/for the price. I just want a beater shotgun that will not break after a few 1,000 rounds, or fall a part shooting. Thats all.

KodiakBeer
April 21, 2010, 07:51 PM
Quote:
Both the Stoeger and Baikal are built like tanks and used for their intended purpose, they're hard to beat.
I once owned a Stoeger .410 SxS for about seven years. It was the model that preceded the Uplander. I lost it in the flood of '98. I now own three Baikal SxS's in 16,20, & 28 gauges. I think that at their pricepoint, they are as reliable as you're going to find.

I buy, swap and sell guns all the time. I have a short list of pieces that I'll never part with, and that little Baikal is on the short list, along with a first edition Kimber Compact, a Colt Mustang, a custom shop model 7 .350 Rem Mag, a Remingtom UMC from 1917 - I think that highly of these Baikals. Keep in mind, I'm not a trap shooter or the like - this gun services a far different purpose, but it serves that purpose very well. I have no doubt that my grand-kids will be able to shoot this tank.

My Baikal is my primary home defense gun. My rabbit gun. It's my bear defense gun - fits in my pack with the stock hanging over my
shoulder.

Edited to add photo:

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac164/kodiakbeer/BaikalSmall.jpg

The only problem I had with it, was that the wood was finished poorly - rough with some sort of stain/finish that would come off in your hands in rain or sweaty conditions. I sanded it down, re-stained it and put a few coats of linseed oil over it. Mine is a twelve with (I think) beech wood. I then bought a second Baikal in 20 gauge with adjustable chokes for my son who was about 14 at the time - that one came with surprisingly good fancy walnut, though it too had to be refinished because of the poor stain/finish. The metal on both guns is superb - good solid hot-blued forged steel - no plastic, no alloys, no shortcuts. Maybe the action was a little tight at first, but it's loosened up with use and is as smooth as you'd want now. These were going for $200 when I bought them. I suspect the price has gone up, but I give (at least the coach guns) my highest recommendation.

A few year backs there was a move for Baikal to release some double rifles in .45/70, but I think that fell through. If they ever get released, I'll be first in line to snap one up.

Oddly, my wife is from Izhevsk where Baikal is made. Her mother worked for Baikal for many years back in Soviet times. When I first met her (the mother-in-law), she was surprised and pleased that I owned a couple of Baikals.

Readyrod
April 21, 2010, 10:05 PM
Thanks for the feedback folks. I don't have one but the coach guns do look very cool. Is the Baikal better than the Stoeger? I hope I don't start a war but what are the pros and cons of each? Thanks.

wrs840
April 21, 2010, 10:30 PM
I have a Stoeger Coach Gun, and there's nothing wrong with it at all. I see no mechanical reason slugs wouldn't work fine in a Stoeger Coach Gun, but I've never tried it, because that's not what I bought it for. If you want a slug-gun, buy a slug-gun (Mine's an old Mossberg 500 non-rifled Slugster). It's kinda two different guns for two different purposes, IMO.

Les

Ditch-Tiger
April 22, 2010, 12:45 AM
I asked this same question awhile back.
Most everyone said it was ok, but i haven't tried it...yet.

Here's the link.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=507185

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