Takedown .22 rifle with suppressor


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DickP
April 21, 2010, 04:45 PM
I've always wanted a takedown .22 rifle, and I've always wanted a suppressor. I'm thinking about combining the two, maybe in a Marlin Papoose - anyone have any opinions for an ideal quiet takedown .22?

Looking for a survival-type, rugged, internally suppressed semi-auto rifle that would tolerate long periods of moisture, mud and general abuse. Probably wouldn't be scoped. The Marlin seems to fit the bill, but I've no experience with that rifle (or with suppressors, for that matter).

Thanks!

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KodeFore
April 21, 2010, 05:48 PM
I think if you live where it's legal to do so you can just buy a suppressed barrel for the papoose. I have the marlin papoose and like it,

I think this is what you are looking for? http://www.autoweapons.com/photos05/jun/awcpap.html

DickP
April 21, 2010, 06:49 PM
Nice...
Thanks!

PTK
April 21, 2010, 06:56 PM
Do NOT buy from AutoWeapons. The prices are insanely high.

That said, an integral Papoose = amazingly quiet and reliable. I'll dig up a cheaper manufacturer for you. :)

jmorris
April 21, 2010, 07:18 PM
It's not a take down and I use a QD suppressor (so I can use the same one on different firearms) but this one is pretty compact. I like the Browning 22 the best as far as take down .22's go but I wouldn't chop up the ones I have for suppressors. The AR7 style are pretty compact but you would have to get an aftermarket barrel.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/can/1022.jpg

DickP
April 21, 2010, 07:46 PM
Thanks guys.

My gunsmith is a Class III dealer, and I think he fabricates suppressors pretty often - I'll see what he quotes me for making a suppressed Papoose barrel - maybe he can beat AutoWeapons' prices...

PTK
April 21, 2010, 08:48 PM
If he can't beat AW's price, he's a joke, but unless he's a 07FFL with a type 02 SOT, he cannot actually manufacture silencers for sale.

As for a integral silencer on a Papoose barrel, I suggest you have the barrel ported starting at 5" to keep the rounds subsonic. After that, the entire barrel should be sleeved, with multiple K or cone baffles inside the outer tube - make CERTAIN that the end cap can be unscrewed and the baffles removed, or your silencer will start filling with lead and get louder and louder within a a few thousand rounds. I generally clean my .22lr silencers every 500-1000 rounds.

DickP
April 21, 2010, 08:59 PM
PTK -

Great information - thanks.

PTK
April 21, 2010, 09:17 PM
Not a problem. This kind of knowledge is, in my mind, better to be shared. Only proprietary information should be kept close to one's chest. :)

Forgot to mention - barrel porting from 5" to 8-10", cut the barrel there. That way the remaining 6-8" will be baffles and the end cap, but the whole barrel would be sleeved to the same diameter to preserve looks. I would go for an 8" barrel, ported from 5" to 8", then the remaining 8" (to bring total barrel length to 16") filled with k-baffle and a removable end cap to seal it all up. That way it'll be quiet, light, and no ammo would go supersonic.

For easier cleaning but slightly louder gun (very small increase, really) just have the barrel cut off at 5", no porting. No blast chamber/expansion chamber means it will be a tiny bit louder, but it won't have leading issues around the ports.

Sheepdog1968
April 21, 2010, 09:22 PM
So, how quiet is a silenced 22 rifle? Beyond just decibles, I'd appreciate some comparisons. That kind of thing. Just curious. If you did it on a bolt rifle would it be even quieter?

SharpsDressedMan
April 21, 2010, 09:58 PM
A little Browning .22 Takedown would be cute, and dump the empty at your feet (professionals always pick up their brass). :evil: I have an AAC Pilot .22 suppressor, and it is a nice size, lightweight, and very efficient. http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC05365.jpg

DoubleTapDrew
April 21, 2010, 11:00 PM
So, how quiet is a silenced 22 rifle? Beyond just decibles, I'd appreciate some comparisons.
About the same as a pellet gun. You can hear the bullet smack the target and the cycling of the action on a semi auto is is often lounder than the report. It's the closest thing you'll get to "hollywood quiet" like in the movies, with a chuff instead of a bang. Bolt rifles are definitely quieter.

Prince Yamato
April 21, 2010, 11:31 PM
A .22 silencer is probably the coolest and best accessory that you can buy for your gun. The loudest think you'll hear is whatever the sound the bullet makes when it smacks into the target. Like SharpDressedMan, I have an AAC pilot.

JTW Jr.
April 22, 2010, 01:05 AM
You can hear the bullet smack the target and the cycling of the action on a semi auto is is often lounder than the report.
With subsonics it is that quiet , with reg 22 LR , unless you have a fully suppressed bll , the report or crack is still much louder than the action , shooting without ear protection is doable , but the crack is still there.

PTK
April 22, 2010, 02:13 AM
Subsonics are a must in .22lr with a silencer, or it's just about as loud. My bolt action Romanian .22 trainer with silencer and subsonics sounds like it's dry-fired, then you hear a bullet slap.

paul
April 22, 2010, 10:12 AM
Agreed...
Work the action on the semi-auto you wish to supress...
That noise is unavoidable, and is usually the loudest part of the firing sequence with subsonic ammo.

Many people who shoot my supressed .22 are suprised at how loud it actually is, until I empty it and just run the action a few times.

Often I'll remove the suppressor, fire a round, and, when our ears stop ringing, shoot supressed again.

Picture a staple gun sound.

p

MrM4
April 22, 2010, 11:02 AM
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg158/MrM4/FGS/1919a4/NFA%20PICS/IMG_2565.jpg
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg158/MrM4/FGS/1919a4/NFA%20PICS/IMG_2552.jpg

not a take down but its the same idea and mags are everywhere for it.

PTK
April 22, 2010, 11:36 AM
A lot of us have those 10/22s set up like that. :D

jmorris
April 22, 2010, 08:13 PM
So, how quiet is a silenced 22 rifle? Beyond just decibles, I'd appreciate some comparisons. That kind of thing. Just curious. If you did it on a bolt rifle would it be even quieter?

My 77/22 makes more noise dry firing than when shooting 22 long CB caps as the brass soaks up the blow from the firing pin. A Daisy red rider is loud side by side.

Sheepdog1968
April 22, 2010, 10:39 PM
My 77/22 makes more noise dry firing than when shooting 22 long CB caps as the brass soaks up the blow from the firing pin. A Daisy red rider is loud side by side.
Many thanks for this and the other comparsions. How I yearn to be in a less restrictive state. I currently reside in CA.

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