Just wondering what my options are on break down rifles? I do a lot of tent camping, mostly on private land. On my dad's land along the river there are some coyotes that are getting pretty pesky, they've seemingly grown some huge balls while I served my time in the Army.
A nice reliable break down rifle would be nice, even a .22 would get the job done. But I don't know what's out there for break down rifles.
I'm going to be building an AR later on this summer, but just looking for a little camping buddy :)
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However, if you have the cash and want a centerfire look at a Thompson Center Contender Pistol. It's always short and ready to fire. http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/g2ContenderPistols.php
April 21, 2010, 09:14 PM
I have a Marlin Papoose which has been a really nice little rifle. Thing is very accurate out to 100 yds. I can down Coke cans, clip after clip out that far with open sights. One of my "funnest" guns.
I think one of the Taurus or Puma slide action 22LR or 22Mag rifles would also be great. 22Mag better for close in Coyotes. I think certain models of those two are take down and they even make a short barreled one.
April 21, 2010, 11:17 PM
Another option may be the Handi Rifle in 22 hornet. http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/handiRifle.asp
April 22, 2010, 12:43 AM
Browning makes a "classic" take-down .22 semi-auto, the SA-22
The quality is top-notch on these, with very little difference between the ones made in Japan and those made in Belgium.
Scope mounts generally attach to the barrel, so that the take-down feature doesn't affect zero. However, the iron sights are adequate unless you have problems with iron sights.
They can be field-stripped without tools, and they are generally trouble-free. The one I have likes CCI mini-mags for accuracy, but it will digest almost any LR ammo I feed it.
They are a little expensive, compared to other .22's.
While no longer made, Winchester had a Miroku 1895 in .30-06 for a few years, as a take-down. If you can find one of these, it makes for a different kind of camp gun. Browning's BLR is a currently offered lever action, and it is available as a take-down, too. Choose your caliber, depending on what you want it to do. .243 would handle coyotes, and would also be a nice light carbine for deer.
April 22, 2010, 01:06 AM
That's just one of the reasons why I bought an M1 Carbine. Great camp gun, decent power out to 100 yards if needed, lightweight, and fun to shoot.
Aint Life Garand
April 22, 2010, 01:17 AM
Have you considered one of the Keltec Su-16 rifles? Folds in half, lightweight, and would make a great rifle to throw into a backpack.
April 22, 2010, 08:50 AM
I'll second the suggestion of a KelTec, but I've got a different model in mind. The Sub 2000. What makes it great is that it folds in half and fits places no one would expect a long gun to fit, and when you want to use it it goes from folded to ready to fire in a few seconds. It comes in either 9mm or .40, and you can get it to use the Glock, Beretta, or Smith & Wesson mags you may already own.
The price is pretty reasonable, too. I bought one new for $280.
April 22, 2010, 09:02 AM
Put a folding stock on a Ruger 10/22 or a M1 carbine and you have the perfect travel/camping rifle. They open instantly and can even be fired with the stock folded if you are in a hurry.
April 22, 2010, 09:38 AM
Some great suggestions already. There is also the Ruger Charger pistol (mini 10/22). I havent shot one yet but it's on my want list.
April 22, 2010, 10:48 AM
Why bother with a rifle that needs to be taken down, why not throw a handgun in your pack?
A 6" S&W 686 or a longer barreled Ruger Mark III would be my choice....
Marlin 45 carbine
April 22, 2010, 10:54 AM
another vote for the Kel-Tec. one of my nephews has one the 9mm. shoots good. the manual actually recommends 'performance (re: +P) ammo'. which ain't no slouch out of a Carbine length barrel.
another option you may consider is a Ruger Mini. it breaks down fairly quickly by dropping the trigger gaurd and pulling the assembly out of the receiver. you would have more range than a 9mm with either the 5.56 or the X39 round. the Ranch model has built-in scope mounts. and folding stocks are available for them.
April 22, 2010, 11:08 AM
If a .22 will suit you:
Browning makes a "classic" take-down .22 semi-auto, the SA-22
It is about the highest quality take-down rimfire you'll find. Additionally, there were the Remington versions of it, the 24 and 241, with more slender forearms. They weigh about 4 pounds. I have one in .22 Short (yes, the image in Wiki is mine, I didn't pirate it)
If you want more power in a compact design, I'll second the other recommendations for a Kel-Tec SU-16C or Sub-2000. Also the PLR-16, classified as a pistol, is one helluva lot of firepower in a 3 pound package, and quite accurate. But you'll not ever wanna touch it off without ear protection (same for the SU-16)
April 22, 2010, 12:53 PM
You want a Springfield M6 Scout .22/.410for that if you can find one used. They stopped making them a couple years ago for some reason.
April 22, 2010, 01:16 PM
Just about any break-open gun will fit in a backpack when taken down, especially if the barrel is fairly short. You might want to consider a 12 gauge or 20 gauge shotgun with slugs or buckshot for the coyotes. If small game season is open and you are in an area with pheasants, grouse, etc. you could carry some bird shot too.
April 22, 2010, 02:41 PM
Rossi makes an inexpensive single shot rifle/shotgun that breaks down and can be fitted with a number of barrels from .22lr to 12gauge. I've shot one in youth .22LR and 20gauge, it was surprisingly comfortable, and the works seemed to be simple, so probably reliable due to there being nothing to go wrong.
You could have one action and a pair of barrels to do different things, if I remember right it came in a little carry case that would have room for ammo, too.
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
April 22, 2010, 02:50 PM
Can I ask you, why does it need to break down? If you're *backpacking* in, then yeah, sure, maybe, if you're not gonna carry it in your hands. Otherwise, just tent camping near the pickup, no reason for a breakdown.
But if you do want one, you'll need to decide rimfire vs. centerfire first. In a centerfire, Browning has a submodel of the BLR lever action available in several chamberings. I have an IMI Timberwolf which would make a righteous backpacking rifle, and breaks down, but these are discontinued and therefore getting pretty pricey.
In a rimfire, you have more options, most of which are covered above. I sold my Springfield/CZ M6 Scout in .410/.22lr, but with the trigger guard removed, it would fold in half and fit into a pack. But another example of discontinued and thus priced beyond what it's intrinsically worth (arguably).
April 22, 2010, 04:54 PM
The Kel Tec designs apparently only have a system life of a few thousand rounds. I would say an M1 carbine with the paratrooper stock, or the already mentioned Marlin papoose.
April 22, 2010, 05:22 PM
Kel Tec designs apparently only have a system life of a few thousand roundsPossibly true of the springs in some pistols, do you have a cite for that lifespan in the carbines?
you'll need to decide rimfire vs. centerfire firstNot with a single-shot, in the case of the cheap Rossi
April 22, 2010, 07:06 PM
I have a few of the browning 22s and the henry copy of the ar7 but I think the savage 24 would be a real good choice in 22 over 20ga as it can do just about anything.
My SBR 10/22 is also very compact, ready to go faster than any of the above and very quite with the suppressor on.
If the Browning SA-22 is too rich for you, you might can find a Norinco knockoff. They were imported until Clinton (or maybe it was Bush the First) banned them. They should still cost less than a used Browning.
April 23, 2010, 03:23 PM
I bought my daughter and son as their first rifles savage-stevens o/u .22 mag-.410 ga and .22lr-.410 guage. They cut their teeth on these single shots to learn accuracy and fire control at very young ages. They are take down models and I liked the idea of having a rifle and shotgun combo as a camp/survival gun so much, I bought one in .223-20 guage. I'm sure someone still makes these. Mine are all 30+ years old. Try pawn shops.
April 23, 2010, 03:31 PM
You can get an H&R single-shot "sportster" model in .22lr or .22mag, or one of their single-shot youth model shotguns. They all break down in a few seconds with a Phillips head screwdriver.
They are good dependable guns, and will only set you back less than $200.
April 23, 2010, 04:28 PM
The Kel Tec designs apparently only have a system life of a few thousand rounds
That holds true of the sub-sub-compact pistols they offer. Not so for the folding carbines, PLR-16/SU-16, RFB and yet-to-be-released PMR-30. Those guns are built to be shooters.
April 23, 2010, 04:42 PM
If your in Bear country or big game country and need some serious firepower you should look into the "Wild West Guns alaskan co-pilot" in .45-70. Expensive but might be worth the money... kevlar stock and chromed action.
April 23, 2010, 06:23 PM
Marlin 39M, but the 39TD is better but very costly because there are not very many out there.
April 23, 2010, 07:55 PM
April 23, 2010, 11:18 PM
Marlin Papoose. No others.
April 24, 2010, 09:59 AM
I had a Papoose but it really didn't fill any void for me.
Here are some I have kept sorted by size and as it turns out weight as well. The AR7 is 2# 11.4 oz, 10/22 4# 11.4oz, B-22 4# 13.8 oz the savage 24 is 6# 9.4 oz. As before even though it weighs more and is longer (mine is the 24" barrel) the savage can do it all. With the flick of the switch you can go from .22lr to 20 ga slug, buck shot or bird shot. The Henry packs all into it's stock, is lighter than the rest by almost half, has the worst trigger of the bunch and takes the longest time to put together. I consider my browning 22's too nice for camping now a days but it went with me a lot when I was a kid. The 10/22 is the only one ready to go as it sits.