[effengee]

I live near Bennington in the southern part of the state and I hate going to Massachusetts or New York because I can't carry there without buying a stupid permit that's darn near impossible for an out-of-state Joe Nobody like me to get his hands on... I recently was told that I can't carry in New Hampshire either because I'm not a resident...

WHAT THE :cuss:

I can carry concealed or openly anywhere in the state (Except post offices, schools, health-care institutions, the city of Burlington, etc.)

I don't have to register my handguns nor do I need to subject myself to some idiotic process for carrying them.:neener:

I'm appalled at some of you here who think that concealed carry permits are a good thing. Yup, I said it...

To quote Ted Nugent:

"The second amendment IS my concealed carry permit. PERIOD!"

Now, you can sit back and scoff at me, write me off as some slack-jawed mall-ninja, or you can see me as I see all of you:
My brothers and sisters in arms.

I could care less about your ethnic heritage, your religious persuasion, or lack thereof, your sexual orientation, or even your political views.
So long as you have at least one boomstick, you're alright in my book.

Now, get yer collective butts out and vote up some new laws that allow us to keep and bear arms throughout this great land without having to pay extra for our constitutionally protected rights...

Respectfully submitted,

[General Geoff]

Now, get yer collective butts out and vote up some new laws that allow us to keep and bear arms throughout this great land without having to pay extra for our constitutionally protected rights...

The problem is that many self-described pro-gunners would say that too many of the unwashed masses are loose cannons, and that they're in favor of unconstitutional licensing schemes to weed out potential troublemakers, like you or me.

Were it up to me, guns would be just like power tools, in every sense of the word. Buy a select-fire rifle at Home Depot, no background check or even ID required if you're not an obvious minor. And carry it anywhere you wish.

[UKShooter]

Try visting England one day!! :(

Our gun laws are terrible. Im summary:

Complete ban on all handguns
Complete ban on semi automatic rifles above .22 caliber
We can get any caliber (inc .50BMG) in bolt action as long as we can prove we have somewhere safe to shoot it
Shotguns must have minimum barell length of 24 inches
All firearms must be licensed
Shotguns come on a difference licensing system to to other fire arms
A shotgun with a mag capacity of more than 2+1 in the tube fall onto a firearms license instead of a shotgun license
The police will come to your house when you apply and physically check that you have the minimum standard of gun cabinet bolted to a solid brick wall during the license application process, if you dont have this - no guns.
For a shotgun license the police must prove there is a reason for you not to have one (clean background)
For a firearms license you must prove you have a valid reason for wanting one (either club membership or you own land suitable for shooting on) other wise you are SOL.

I wouldnt get too upset about not being able to walk around with your 1911 on your hip. We have it a lot worse over here!!

[Oro]

As an ex-Vermonter, I'll tell you a funny story. As I was moving to VT from NYC (and DC before that!), I was conditioned to check all local laws, cross T's and dot I's. Some would say "paranoid," but they would be wrong. You aren't actually paranoid if the authorities ARE out to get you for simply being a gun owner. Thus I called the local sheriff's office and asked what I had to do about my handguns and long guns I was bringing. Simply declare them? Register them? Have them inspected? Pay my fees to whom?

The lady on the phone at the sheriff's office was a bit confused and said, "just what are you getting at?"

I said, "What do I need to do with my guns to comply with the local laws, either the state laws or here in this jurisdiction?"

She stated quite plainly, "Well, just don't shoot anyone you don't have to."

That was the official advice I received from the Orange County, Vermont Sheriff's office. A more plain statement of the meaning and intent of the 2nd Amendment was never delivered by a government agent anywhere. This may sound improbable, but it is the honest truth. VT is a wonderful place, and I seriously contemplate moving back there at some point.

[UKShooter]

Now I know where to aim for if I ever decide to move stateside :D

[One-Time]

WHy cant you carry in Birlington in Vermont?

Thought the state has the final say on laws there, and allow OC and CC w/o a permit

[Jumping Frog]

Another disadvantage faced by our brother gun owners who cannot obtain a concealed carry "permit" in VT is that they become vulnerable to the whole "1000 foot" BS regarding school zones in 18 U.S.C. § 922.

[Water-Man]

Gun or no gun, you sound too liberal to me.

[JellyJar]

Two questions...

First, what is this about the City of Burlington? No carry there at all?

Second, I lived in Texas for 26 years and back in the 80s, before our CHL laws were enacted, just for the heck of it I obtained a non-resident handgun permit from NH via mail. All I had to do was to send in a form with a "good guy" letter from my local police with a completed handgun permit application and 20 dollars and I got one. Can't you do that now?

[Nate1778]

I think there are still some stores in Kentucky you can buy meds, booze, and guns all in the same store.

[kostyanj]

Now if VT would just get rid of their hippies, it would be a fine place to live.

[Cosmoline]

I admire the tenacity of Vermont, but it's pretty small and isolated.

[NavyLCDR]

Well, in about 87 days there will be a new state to add to the list! Arizona!

I can carry concealed or openly anywhere in the state (Except post offices, schools, health-care institutions, the city of Burlington, etc.)

Where did you get the city of Burlington restriction from?

Vermont statutes:
http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/fullsection.cfm?Title=24&Chapter=061&Section=02295

Title 24: Municipal and County Government

Chapter 61: REGULATORY PROVISIONS; POLICE POWER OF MUNICIPALIT

24 V.S.A. § 2295. Authority of municipal and county governments to regulate firearms, ammunition, hunting, fishing and trapping

§ 2295. Authority of municipal and county governments to regulate firearms, ammunition, hunting, fishing and trapping

Except as otherwise provided by law, no town, city or incorporated village, by ordinance, resolution or other enactment, shall directly regulate hunting, fishing and trapping or the possession, ownership, transportation, transfer, sale, purchase, carrying, licensing or registration of traps, firearms, ammunition or components of firearms or ammunition. This section shall not limit the powers conferred upon a town, city or incorporated village under section 2291(8) of this title. The provisions of this section shall supersede any inconsistent provisions of a municipal charter.


Title 24: Municipal and County Government

Chapter 61: REGULATORY PROVISIONS; POLICE POWER OF MUNICIPALIT

24 V.S.A. § 2291. Enumeration of powers

§ 2291. Enumeration of powers

For the purpose of promoting the public health, safety, welfare, and convenience, a town, city, or incorporated village shall have the following powers:

(8) To regulate or prohibit the use or discharge, but not possession of, firearms within the municipality or specified portions thereof, provided that an ordinance adopted under this subdivision shall be consistent with section 2295 of this title and shall not prohibit, reduce, or limit discharge at any existing sport shooting range, as that term is defined in section 5227 of Title 10.

[RS14]

Second, I lived in Texas for 26 years and back in the 80s, before our CHL laws were enacted, just for the heck of it I obtained a non-resident handgun permit from NH via mail. All I had to do was to send in a form with a "good guy" letter from my local police with a completed handgun permit application and 20 dollars and I got one. Can't you do that now?

My recollection is that a NH non-resident permit now requires you have a valid permit from some other state... which Vermont won't issue. I believe you could get some other nonresident permit and use that to get a NH permit if the reciprocity didn't work out any other way.

Still awfully onerous, though.

[essayons21]

Hmm... I can carry more places in VA, and in more states with my VA CC permit. I can pick the kids up at school while armed, hospitals are fine as long as they aren't privately owned and have a no gun policy, and no cities are off limits. VA has strong state preemption which means all gun laws come from the state legislature, and cities and counties can't restrict carry of guns.

Do I support un-licensed concealed carry? Definitely.

However, without strong state preemption, and similar laws in surrounding states, I much prefer the license system in a free state.

Ideally, VA will go to unlicensed carry but still provide the option of obtaining a CC permit which is honored by the states with which VA has reciprocity.

[svaz]

Our gov (AZ) just signed "Constitutional Carry" - no CHL for CCW required, but still provided for those who want to carry in States w/ reciprocity. Glad I don't have to move to VT now - nothing wrong with VT, I just like cactus is all.

g-man: ATFE! Open up.
me: ATFE! I love your products! How do I get on your mailing list?
g-man: You're already on our .. ahem .. mailing list. :evil:

<:O


j/k. Except for the Constitutional Carry & not leaving AZ parts.



p.s. I've been in NY (business trip) for 4 days now & I'm starting to get the shakes ...

[sv51macross]

I am reserving judgment on AZ's constitutional carry until some statistics are in, but needless to say that, to General Geoff, I'm no better than Sarah Brady or Eric Holder. However, until I see proof that allowing anybody to carry without vetting their ability to handle safely/aim correctly their firearm, I am substantially uneasy about it. I am solidly pro RKBA, but at the same time, quite honestly, we have alot of dingbats in this nation and before they take unpon themselves the responsibilities of deadly force, they prove to be more competent than Barney Fife. I don't see how the requirement that an individual pass the firearms equivalent of a written and practical drivers license test is somehow abhorrent and unconscionable.

[Cosmoline]

Well the proof is in the pudding. Alaska adopted permitless carry in 2004 and we haven't seen any big crime wave since then. Just the usual.

[sv51macross]

I'm not looking for crime, I'm looking for ADs/NDs/shots going through a window into someone else's house, ect. I'm an atheist, I don't want someone's missed shot or accident ending my sentience early.

[Jumping Frog]

However, until I see proof that allowing anybody to carry without vetting their ability to handle safely/aim correctly their firearm, I am substantially uneasy about it. I am solidly pro RKBA, but at the same time, quite honestly, we have alot of dingbats in this nation and before they take unpon themselves the responsibilities of deadly force, they prove to be more competent than Barney Fife.
One unintended consequence of concealed carry training requirements in many states has been the economic segregation imposed upon people who cannot afford to go drop $150-200 on training and another $50-100 on a license.

Lots of middle-aged white guys getting licensed and packing. However the poor African American or Hispanic woman who is working in a downtown office building cleaning offices at 11:00 at night and then riding the bus to a bad neighborhood also has a God-given right to self defense.

Requiring training is just another example of the government trying to play the nanny state, and "protect us from ourselves".

If you think someone is an idiot, then I don't have a problem with criminal charges when they actually commit a crime with their gun due to their own stupidity. But until then, keep the government out of it.

Do I think that good training is a worthwhile idea that well-informed and responsible people should choose to take advantage of? Absolutely! Government jam it down our throats? Hell no!

[armoredman]

Sorry, LT, legislature hasn't adjourned yet, it's 90 days after Sin Die.
However, until I see proof that allowing anybody to carry without vetting their ability to handle safely/aim correctly their firearm
Sure, check our stats, AZ has 98 years of unlicensed/unregistered/no permit required/no waiting period(15 minute phone call after Brady went into effect)/no magazine restrictions/no ammo restrictions open carry, and our accident rate, according to the CDC is something like .028 percent, 1999-2006 18-85, the age range allowed to legally carry at this time. There ya go. Just means if it gets cold, (in AZ? Well, 5 days outa the year!), throw a coat on without worrying about being busted for CCW w/out permit. Don't want to freak out those liberal California natives that moved in next to you? Cover up!
I like it, and am all for it.

[NavyLCDR]

However the poor African American or Hispanic woman

I don't really think race or gender has to play a part in it. Government mandated training that the citizen must pay for creates an elite group of people, period. And it really does not matter if the person is not part of that elite group because of choice or circumstances, the fact is that exercising an inherent right should not be limited to the elite... no matter how easy or hard it is to get into that elite group.

[nyrifleman]

I took a pistol safety course a few weeks ago (I live in NY state). While I personally learned a lot in this course (not really much safety stuff, as I'm pretty good in that respect, but things regarding handgun function and operation that I had not known before), there were definitely people there who walked away without retaining a single new fact (because they were older, or not-so-bright, or unmotivated to learn).

That's not to say all those people are dangerous. Most of them had owned firearms for many, many years and understood safe handling. What I'm trying to say is: a 6-hour lecture is not an effective way to teach people anything, let alone very fundamental things that should become second nature. I don't think you will see even a smidgeon of change in the rate of firearms accidents now that the law in AZ has changed.

I wish the same kind of law were even a remote possibility in NY.

[more forty fives]

I moved out of the worst gun state in the U.S.A. Massachusetts.Now live in Florida what a great change.

[franconialocal]

You can OPEN carry in New Hampshire my friend....you do not need to be a resident.
To carry concealed you need a non-resident pistol/revolver lic.

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Where can I see all the states that either honor or allow you to get a CCW with your NH permit?

[Domineaux]

I sure hope Texas learns from examples like VT and AZ.

I think a $20 test including written and 50 shots fired would be ok to show basic safety and understanding but anything beyond that seems like unreasonable restriction on our rkba.

[essayons21]

I don't really think race or gender has to play a part in it.

You'd be surprised, the first handgun prohibitions, "junk gun" bans, and licensing schemes were enacted in the post-Civil War South to prohibit African Americans from owning or carrying guns. Many of those laws and their descendants are still on the books.

[sv51macross]

I think a $20 test including written and 50 shots fired would be ok to show basic safety and understanding but anything beyond that seems like unreasonable restriction on our rkba.


^ This.

[vermont88993]

I live in NY and my family owns a home in VT (30 min from middlebury). and its my favorite place to be. great land, and people, the gun laws are fare and all around i like it. dont know much about the ccw permit for NH though

[zoom6zoom]

I obtained a non-resident handgun permit from NH via mail. All I had to do was to send in a form with a "good guy" letter from my local police with a completed handgun permit application and 20 dollars and I got one. Can't you do that now?
The price has changed... it's $100 now. Vermont Residents must supply a letter from their Local Sheriff or Police Dept stating they are of good character.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newhampshire.pdf

[One-Time]

ANY task to jump through for the government to approve or deny, is a violation of the RKBA and will only lead to more violations

[armoredman]

When this, $20 test including written and 50 shots fired would be ok to show basic safety and understanding but anything beyond that seems like unreasonable restriction on our rkba. is propsed, it take an anti 30 seconds to make it this, $2000 test including written, psycological, vision, reflexes and 500 shots fired would be ok to show basic safety and understanding, with the test a pass/fail for ownership of any firearms, testing location to be held only in Albany, New York, no matter what state you live in, and must bring proof of a safe/no children in the house, cannot have any firearms that might intimidate or make people uncomfortable, but anything beyond that seems like unreasonable restriction on our rkba.
The point is, once the government becomes involved in determining how your rights are rationed, you end up with Hawaii, New Jersey, etc. Anything can and will be abused.

[sv51macross]

Sorry Armoredman, not buying it. Maybe that's the price of being a moderate, but what Domineaux proposed would be ideal, an inexpensive, easily accessed test to show reasonable competency with the firearm and basic knowledge of laws and scenarios of use. The slippery slope argument is valid in many places, but not quite in that post. Yes, the Antis would want to make it more stringent, but for what people are talking about worrying about OC and people not being licensed, this is would cover the majority of 'fence-sitters' anxieties (it would certainly calm mine). It's like when Jon Stewart blasted Glenn Beck's method of argument. Just because you can draw circles to either extreme doesn't mean it's going to happen.

[Domineaux]

Yes the fence-sitters and folks that just aren't sure that everyone should be universally trusted are the folks who we should be trying to reassure as they are not as blind as the rabid gun-grabbers who would settle for nothing short of insane restrictions if not all out 100% ban on guns (some even thinking that cops should have nothing beyond a baton and shouting "stop or I shall say stop again!").

[KodiakBeer]

I don't have to register my handguns nor do I need to subject myself to some idiotic process for carrying them.

I'm appalled at some of you here who think that concealed carry permits are a good thing. Yup, I said it...


Actually, I'd say Alaska law improves on that quite a bit.

1. Cities (like Burlington in Vermont) can not trump state law here by imposing their own bans - Anchorage tried, and were told to pack sand by the state. Weird, because Los Anchorage is the place where you'd most likely need to use a concealed weapon...

2. Although you don't need a permit for concealed carry within Alaska, permits are still available for those who want to carry in other reciprocal states. An Alaskan can carry concealed in most other states, while a Vermonter can't.

That's the sole reason I keep my CCW permit active - I want to be legally armed when I go down to the lower 48.

The Alaska legislatures used Vermont as a model, then improved on it. I hope AZ models themselves on Alaska rather than Vermont, for those same added advantages.

[NavyLCDR]

Sorry Armoredman, not buying it. Maybe that's the price of being a moderate, but what Domineaux proposed would be ideal, an inexpensive, easily accessed test to show reasonable competency with the firearm and basic knowledge of laws and scenarios of use

It is either a right that a person is free to exercise, regardless of their level of stupidity, or it is a privilege that one must obtain government permission for, no matter how easy or cheap that permission is. It can't be both.

[sv51macross]

^ Now-now-now...there's that...that 'all-or-nothing, you're-with-us-or-against-us' attitude that I...just don't quiiiite understand.

[Domineaux]

I think that the all-or-nothing concept doesn't work in every case and this is one.
If its our right to bear arms, then that kind of stance would condone letting violent felons and folks with a restraining order against them have equal access as well.

Sorry but I believe that it is well within reason to expect some small measure of oversight to exist in fields where real danger to innocents exist.
That oversight does however need to stay well away from becoming a fund-raiser as many state CHL programs are.

ps. I do think it out of balance though that a CHL in some places must be renewed annually while I have heard of 70+ year old drivers have 8+ year validity on their drivers licenses.

[KodiakBeer]

A couple of points:

1. Tossing out the requirement for a permit doesn't allow felons to carry guns. It doesn't change a thing for felons.

2. If anyone thinks their 5th grade level CCW course actually prepared them for self-defense with a firearm then you're kidding yourself. You go through the course because it's a required box that must be checked prior to issuing a permit.
People who actually want to use a firearm safely and effectively go to the range and learn. Some people get their permit and never shoot their gun again. Some people without permits practice every weekend - none of that changes either. The only legal lesson anyone needs to know is "don't shoot unless you're in danger of death or grievous bodily harm" - how tough is that?

3. Many of the people who need a firearm the most, don't have time to go through a CCW course - ask the relatives of some women who was stalked and murdered by her nutbar ex, while waiting for the next CCW course to open up.

Nothing will change in AZ because of this law except that some types of street crime will drop.

[General Geoff]

If its our right to bear arms, then that kind of stance would condone letting violent felons and folks with a restraining order against them have equal access as well.

Bingo. And exactly how it should be (unless said felons are fugitives from justice).

[NavyLCDR]

If a person cannot be trusted enough to possess a firearm... then why is that person not in jail?

And, as was mentioned earlier, carry permits and licenses have nothing to do with keeping criminals from having guns. All carry permits and licenses do is keep law abiding citizens from being able to freely carry their lawfully possessed firearms.

Who decides where a compromise on the RIGHT to keep AND BEAR arms becomes an infringement? Would you like Barak Obama or Nancy Pelosi making that decision?

[The Lone Haranguer]

The problem is that many self-described pro-gunners would say that too many of the unwashed masses are loose cannons, and that they're in favor of unconstitutional licensing schemes to weed out potential troublemakers, like you or me.

Agreed, and quite a few are here, it seems. :rolleyes:

As for Vermont, the gun laws are great and it has a lot of natural beauty, but they can keep their socialist politicians and eleven-month-long winters. :neener:

[atomd]

ANY task to jump through for the government to approve or deny, is a violation of the RKBA and will only lead to more violations

I'm with him.

[armoredman]

Sorry Armoredman, not buying it.
Wasn't selling it, but if you insist, check the history of taxation, little thing called income tax, and look how it started and where it went.
But, once again, since I live in a Constitutional State, I don't have to sell anything to anybody, it just is. Please, continue to have a nice day where ever you are. :)

[jbrown50]

I'm not looking for crime, I'm looking for ADs/NDs/shots going through a window into someone else's house, ect. I'm an atheist, I don't want someone's missed shot or accident ending my sentience early.
That's the same thing the antis are looking for. They don't care about crime. It's their personal fears that they want soothed. You say that you're pro RKBA but you talk like an anti. Vermont and Alaska have had Constitutional carry for quite some time now along with many other states that allow open carry without a license. Where's your data/news reports or other proof to support your fears of increased ND/AD?

[jbrown50]

I sure hope Texas learns from examples like VT and AZ.

I think a $20 test including written and 50 shots fired would be ok to show basic safety and understanding but anything beyond that seems like unreasonable restriction on our rkba.
You say that:
"I sure hope Texas learns from examples like VT and AZ"

Then you turn around and say:
"I think a $20 test including written and 50 shots fired would be ok to show basic safety and understanding but anything beyond that seems like unreasonable restriction on our rkba."

Wow.....talk about trying to stradle the fence. You talk like a politician.

[ArfinGreebly]

Well, let's see . . .

We have a perimeter defined (so far) by Vermont, Alaska, and Arizona.

I'd say we have them surrounded.



Oh, and
She stated quite plainly, "Well, just don't shoot anyone you don't have to."

That's just awesome.

Full of win.

[effengee]

Is very different from where I do carry...

The post office is a good example.
I ALWAYS leave it in the car. A felony is a felony...

The signs at every medical center and doctors office I go to clearly state:
"No weapons allowed"
I usually get a strange look when I inquire why my fists are not allowed...
I also disregard their stupid little signs...

As of 2 years ago, the last time I was in Burlington, there was a sign on Rte 7 at the Burlington city limits that stated:
No concealed handguns permitted"
I hate going "John Wayne" and letting my pistol flop around on my hip. Mainly because it causes a bigger fuss than if I carry fully concealed. Then only others who might notice that bulge for what it really is, or my very close friends ever know any different...

I long ago gave up trying to pull out my gun and lock it in the glovebox when picking up the kids from school...
Transplanted soccer moms are really freaked out by the merest sighting of a handgun...

I thank you for the information on New Hampshire, that means I get to go buy a new holster.:D

I don't know...
I just think that the whole thing is really stupid.

I just sometimes think that in this day and age when a bi-racial gay couple can protest abortion under their first amendment rights, that I should be able to own a fully automatic rifle with a silencer and a grenade launcher under my second amendment rights...

But perhaps I'm too liberal...:evil:

[KBintheSLC]

I wouldnt get too upset about not being able to walk around with your 1911 on your hip. We have it a lot worse over here (England)!!

I understand your pain... but it is not consoling to us here in the US to compare things to your country. Our country was founded on vastly differently principles than the UK was, and those founding principles have been severely tarnished over the years. Therefore, you'll have to forgive the OP for his poorly worded outburst. Many of us are frustrated, and some of us have a hard time channeling that into something helpful.

[TexasBill]

It's funny: Here we have a state with some of the most liberal RKBA laws in the Union and yet we also have the nerbils complaining about the socialists, liberals and hippies that are are apparently running the place. I live in a state where the government is solidly conservative (to put it mildly) and there is no open carry, getting a CHL involves a fair amount of money and waiting up to six months. Sounds to me like the Birkenstock Bunch has it all over the self-proclaimed Champions of RKBA.

[LemmyCaution]

Sounds to me like the Birkenstock Bunch has it all over the self-proclaimed Champions of RKBA.

Could it simply be that we take liberalism seriously up here and recognize that the right to defend onesself is, in fact, one of the most liberal of values? The founders of the Republic of Vermont certainly understood it.

Incidentally, everyone I hang out with up here prefers steel toes. Hard to find birkenstocks like that.

[TexasBill]

Actually LemmyCaution, it just means I don't understand people who condemn something that is positive just because the politics don't jibe with their preconceived notions.

I prefer boots to Birkenstocks, myself.

[armoredman]

I should be able to own a fully automatic rifle with a silencer and a grenade launcher under my second amendment rights...
Not only are those legal in AZ, but you may carry them, as well. :) I knew a gent several years ago whose main go to gun was a MAC in an SMZ rig, 10 round mag in, two 32 round mags opposite side. A bit much? Maybe for me, but under AZ law he was/is AOK.

[KodiakBeer]

Oddly, Alaska, the only state in the union with legal recreational marijuana, is also of the 2 (soon 3) states that allow carry without a permit. Maybe the hippies are onto something - I mean "onto something" besides pot....?

I'm not a pothead, but it seems like there is a certain parallel between the two issues - the freedom to do as you please as long as you aren't harming somebody else. Gun rights are a much more important issue than the choice of intoxicant you choose for Monday Night Football, but the two issues are oddly sympathetic in some ways.

I think the issue isn't really liberal hippies vs conservatives. It's more like libertarians vs everybody else. People in Alaska lean heavily to libertarian politics - Ron Paul got a heavier vote in Alaska than anywhere else. I'll bet he also has heavy support in Vermont.

[armoredman]

Kodiak, might be a little right with that...BTW, the best beer IS from Alaska, Alaskan Amber. :)

[effengee]

Why do some people find it necessary to resort to name-calling and political posturing when it comes the 2nd?

Riddle me that, jokers...

I wear whatever is comfortable and/or needed for the current weather.
(read that as insulated boots in winter and sneakers during summer)
My wife wears Bean boots, Birkies or Crocs for the same reason. (well, cheaper knock-off versions) but she certainly isn't a tree-hugger...
We both come from hunting families and have been around guns our whole lives...

I guess I'm just wishfully dreaming of the time when my children have kids of their own, that they won't have to jump through too many stupid hoops to exercise their constitutionally granted rights...

[armoredman]

Wife had Birkenstocks, cat peed on them, ruined, but her Crocs wash easily. I wear 5.11 boots, myself. :)

[zenner22]

I do not believe there is any restriction on concealed carry in Burlington, VT. However, this would be the place it started if it were to be enacted. But currently I am not aware of any extra restrictions in Burlington.