[XavierBreath]

Just what ARE the regulations regardling a sign preventing CCW? I hear them refered to as a 30.06 sign and assume this is some sort of regulation.

TIA
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[txgolfer45]

30.06 applies to Texas only! It is part of the Texas Penal Code.

Scott

[Lennyjoe]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pee85361bbd846ec98b34dce8a42c57a9/faf92960.jpg
The infamous 30-06 sign that is posted at certain areas inside the Texas border.

[swest47]

I wouldn't conside the sign "infamous". Living in the Dallas area I only know of one that I have actually seen. It's at Grapevine Mills Mall.

:D

[Blackhawk]

I've only seen one. It was at the license plate registration place. After the new law went into effect on September 1st, I wonder if they had to take it down. (The new law told local and state agencies they did NOT have the power to post the signs in contravention of the CHL laws.)

[jsalcedo]

The signs are only legal if displayed EXACTLY and with same wording as the one shown in lennyjoes post.

If not, they are to be ignored. they must also cover all entrances.

I've only seen them at hospitals where they are not needed because of other stipulations in the CCW law.

[nemesis]

I wouldn't conside the sign "infamous". Living in the Dallas area I only know of one that I have actually seen. It's at Grapevine Mills Mall.

I've never actually seen one although i did see one sign that I thought was close enough that it may be sufficiently legal.

I've only seen them at hospitals where they are not needed because of other stipulations in the CCW law.

Seeing as how the law changed a couple of years back, Churches and hospitals must post 30.06's if they intend to prohibit CHL. Hospitals I've visited lately didn't have any signs at some entrances and the signs I did see didn't meet the lawful requirements.

When Ray, the Range Master and owner of the Shooting Range was in hospital, there was enough iron hanging off the visitors to start a small war.

[tiberius]

The biggest you'll ever see is right out front of Six Flags in Arlington. It's fancy of course, but it on something like a 4X8 sign.

[tyme]

The HP complex in richardson has those damned signs at every entrance. Maybe someone could argue in court that they're invalid because they're in some weird font? (I don't have pictures, but they're weird.)

http://www.tsra.com/hewlettpackard_is_antigun.htm

[matsaleh]

I see a lot more invalid "no guns" signs than valid 30.06 signs here in Central TX. They used to post 30.06 at the DPS office and at the Austin airport until the law changed Sept. 1 prohibiting state and municipal facilities from posting them (you can now carry legally at the airport outside of the security area).

The hospital we use when needed has a 30.06 sign in front of the emergency entrance, but not in front of any other. Valid? I didn't want to take a chance when I was taken there for a back problem - we locked my piece in the glove box of the car.

Went to a concert in San Antonio at the SBC center, and since we had to park a decent hop away from the center, I had to guess whether they would post 30.06 or not. I figured they would and so locked my gun in the car. I was right - the sign was plain as day at the entrance.

I like this system alright, I guess. As a matter of private property rights, I believe a misguided individual has the right to prevent me from carrying on his property. I don't like it, but I can choose not to frequent his establishment. I do like that the onus is on the establishment to actively prohibit carrying rather than some blanket legislative restriction.

I would like some kind of service that would let you check in advance whether some place posts or not, however. Sometimes I have to anticipate this - if I guess wrong it could be inconvenient for me.

[tiberius]

I would like some kind of service that would let you check in advance whether some place posts or not, however. Sometimes I have to anticipate this - if I guess wrong it could be inconvenient for me.

This is a real good idea. I would not like anything official (from the state) because it may encourage anti's to lobby places, but we could do it. What if we Texan High-roaders started a thread here and we posted to it whenever we found a new place that posted the 30.06 sign?

If others are intersted, I would be willing to start the thread and keep the first post updated so as to reflect the current information. I could seperate it by major metro areas and regions. What do you think?

[tyme]

I like this system alright, I guess. As a matter of private property rights, I believe a misguided individual has the right to prevent me from carrying on his property. I don't like it, but I can choose not to frequent his establishment. I do like that the onus is on the establishment to actively prohibit carrying rather than some blanket legislative restriction.
Private property rights are severely restricted in the case of public establishments. Private property and a privately owned public establishment are totally different things. Try routinely denying people with prescription medication from your store, or denying entrance to people who look gay, or...

[Lennyjoe]

Believe it or not, that picture was taken at the Houston Marriott Hotel which was the place that the 2nd Amendment Foundation had their seminar. At least everyone but one THR person noticed it.;)

Odd to see such a sign posted at a RKBA convention huh:confused:

[Thumper]

At least everyone but one THR person noticed it.

;)

But it was cool getting Robert Glock to sign my rig, huh?

:D

[Detachment Charlie]

Saw the topic and thought you were talking about those rural road signs in Pennsylvania that were used to sight-in your rifle on the way out to deer camp. :evil:

[N3rday]

Nice idea, Tiberius!

I didn't know there were so many texans on this forum!
I think a lot of board members could help you out. They could just drop a message by when they see a 30.06 sign.

p.s. such a coincidence that the number of the sign just happens to be a rifle cartridge

[matsaleh]

If others are intersted, I would be willing to start the thread and keep the first post updated so as to reflect the current information. I could seperate it by major metro areas and regions. What do you think?

I think it is an excellent idea. However, if it takes off, it should probably be done in some other way than as a thread on this forum. Some kind of website with a database that people can contribute to, ultimately.

I can pitch in with programming skills if it gets to that point. Others may be able to provide hosting services, dunno.

I would like to see it done so that places that both *do* and *do not* post 30.06 are listed, so that you can be certain of places who do not restrict CCW as well. Think of it, go to a new store, no 30.06 sign, get home post it on the website as a "friendly" place. Others then frequent that place.

Cheers

[N3rday]

Ahh, the power of organized citizens!

[Blackhawk]

Went to a concert in San Antonio at the SBC center, and since we had to park a decent hop away from the center, I had to guess whether they would post 30.06 or not. I figured they would and so locked my gun in the car. I was right - the sign was plain as day at the entrance.That ticks me off!

IIRC, the SBC Center was built with taxpayer money or a bond issue. If so, why doesn't the new law apply?

The dangerous exposure is going between your car and the entrance, and that's when you don't have access to your gun! :fire:

[Lennyjoe]

But it was cool getting Robert Glock to sign my rig, huh?
That it was!!

[TexasVet]

p.s. such a coincidence that the number of the sign just happens to be a rifle cartridge

NOT a coincidence! The Houston lawmaker (name slips the mind right now) who wrote the ordinance did it as a joke. At the time there WAS NO Texas code 30-06! They realized it prettty quick and passed one with the wording right away.:D For several days there was no legal way to ban carry at all.:neener:

[swest47]

Tiberius has a grand idea. Let me start with my original post

Grapevine Mills Mall - 30.06 posted at all entrances. :rolleyes:

My guess for this is because there is a Grapevine Police substation in the mall.

[Splat Shot]

swest47, Someone told me that Grapevine Mills does not have the sign at all entrances but the intent to prohibit legal carry is certainly there. Maybe they fixed it recently with the addition of more signs at all entrances, don't know.

I think the Ft. Worth Zoo also has the properly worded sign although it is in red letters. I have also seen 51% signs at restaurants indicating no carry since over half the income of the place is alcohol sales.

[Raistlin]

Dunno how often it's updated, but there's a search site, http://gunfreezones.com that allows you to either search for businesses that prohibit, or add a business that you know of that's not listed. I think this site was mentioned in another thread.

But I still like the post-it-here idea. :cool:

[tiberius]

OK I will go ahead and start a thread in this forum. I originally thought of setting up a web page, but I’d like to see how it goes here first. A lot of people view this forum everyday, so there will be more traffic here than at a new website. We need the traffic in order to gather the first hand data. I personally only know of two locations with 30.06 signs so certainly don’t have much data myself. :).

Perhaps we can use it as a vehicle to target business for letter writing campaigns outlining why the 30.06 posting is bad for business.

Matsaleh wrote:
would like to see it done so that places that both *do* and *do not* post 30.06 are listed, so that you can be certain of places who do not restrict CCW as well. Think of it, go to a new store, no 30.06 sign, get home post it on the website as a "friendly" place. Others then frequent that place.

I haven’t seen very many 30.06 signs myself so I’m afraid that a listing of business w/o signs would grow too long and unmanageable. Of course if this was most people want, it can be accommodated.

The “TEXAS 30.06 Sign Posting Bussiness Reports” thread that I start will call for suggestions on organization as well as FIRST HAND reports of postings.

[Blackhawk]

I don't think a thread naming businesses that post 30.06 signs is such a hot idea for THR.

1. It will end up way down in the stack so it doesn't get seen, which defeats the whole initial purpose.

2. Since this is a public venue, there's a duty on THR to ensure accuracy. If a business was erroneously listed to its detriment (e.g., I certainly wouldn't patronize it), it has a cause of action against THR and the poster(s) who allege it has the signs.

3. While informative, such a thread doesn't really fall under the guidelines of THR. Instead it's more suited to a venue like packing.org or gunfreezones.com or a separate website for that purpose.

However, I certainly would love to have access to a single online source where I could look up squish brained businesses posting the signs, and I'd love it cross-indexed by zip code, type of business, alphabetically, and the whole 9 yards.

[tiberius]

Since this is a public venue, there's a duty on THR to ensure accuracy

ROTFLMAO - This requirement would shut down just about every thread we have.

[Blackhawk]

THR doesn't have a duty to ensure accuracy of the opinions expressed by posters UNLESS it's "sponsoring" them, meaning implying that they're true under its "official" imprimatur.

For example, a newspaper can print letters from readers full of libelous and untrue statements without much legal exposure (because they're the writer's opinion), but if the same statements are in an article or editorial, it may well lose in court. The letter writer, however, still faces the exposure. (BTW, that's why newspapers don't print anonymous LTE's -- they make sure THEY know who the writer is.)

[tiberius]

One of our members already has a site dedicated to this.


http://www.dfwgunsafety.com/States/shall_issue/Texas/known3006.htm

[Drizzt]

Matsaleh,

I know I see more of these signs here in Austin than I do in most of the other towns around TX. Not really a surprise, but I think Austin would certainly dominate the list.