Best quality AR-15 for the money


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jwsturr
April 27, 2010, 12:27 AM
Looking to purchase my first M4 style AR-15. I'm not going to be using it for competition purposes, only target. I've done price research and aside from a used or a CMMG "bargin bin" rifle, the cheapest I've found is a $659 Doublestar at Bud's. I'm partial to the M&P because of the S&W name and kind of the middle of the road , price wise. And not looking to build a rifle either. Should I buy the least expensive or save for a better rifle?

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HGUNHNTR
April 27, 2010, 12:55 AM
It depends on your situation/needs/wants/. Is this for informal taget shooting, competitive target shooting, carbine courses etc? Try to give us as much information as possible about what you want/need, that way we can formulate specific responses that will help you, and not waste our time and yours. You can spend more time learning and less time trying to separate the relevent form the irrelevant. Its a win win deal! ;)

Mr. T
April 27, 2010, 01:07 AM
I swear by my Bushmaster "Patrolman's Carbine". I have shot the heck out of this thing and I have yet to have a single misfeed; it's as accurate as any weapon I've ever fired. I paid $799 a couple of years ago at a local Gander Mountain. There are better weapons out there, but for the money I've been very happy with my Bushmaster. I've heard good things about Delton, Rock River Arms, and Double Star, as economic entry level AR's.

jwsturr
April 27, 2010, 01:18 AM
HGUNHNTR

Informal target shooting.
M4 style 16" chrome barrel or chromoly
M4 style collapsible buttstock
Fixed or flip up front sight
Detachable rear sight or flip up
single stage trigger is fine
5.56 capable
1 in 9 twist is fine
Something to possibly upgrade.

basicblur
April 27, 2010, 01:31 AM
Check out this post (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=6423021#post6423021)-you might want to read the entire thread!

Be sure you visit/bookmark the "excellent learning resource (http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81462)" referenced in the thread! You need to spend quite a bit of time reading the thread at the link.

ZeBool
April 27, 2010, 02:53 AM
Spikes Tactical. $800 plus shipping. The best AR15 to cost on the market right now. By far. In my opinion, it is right up there with LMT, BCM, and even Daniel Defense, for less than bushmaster prices. Not quite Colt/Noveske, but still far better than anything else in its price class.

smartshooter.45
April 27, 2010, 03:04 AM
i purchased that very same double star from buds. its a steal. great/accurate rifle. i recently tried out the 200 yard range with it and had surprising results. i was shooting cheapo wolf 55gr on a windy day. 9x magnification. was able to consistently hit a 8.5x11 piece of paper. considering the distance and the load i was quite happy!

you wont be disappointed with the doublestar- it is quality.

Big_E
April 27, 2010, 05:18 AM
I voted for the S&W, for informal shooting and if you aren't shooting 70gr bullets the 4140/1:9 barrel is fine. The MPI/HP bolt that comes with S&W's (and colt's, lmt's and BCM's) is probably the most important part.

If you have BCM on your list, I would vote for that. I have a BCM upper on the way now I just need to get a lower so I can enjoy it.

C-grunt
April 27, 2010, 06:28 AM
I voted Colt because your description seems like you want a more run and gun kind of rifle. From what I have heard the S&W would be a good choice as well.

If its for pure target shooting at distance, I would say the DPMS as they are known for their accuracy.

CZF
April 27, 2010, 06:58 AM
No poll option for STAG ARMS?

I'd be interested to see what you guys think of a $725 (shipped) NIB Model 2.

C-grunt
April 27, 2010, 07:06 AM
Ive heard very good things about STAG rifles. A friend of mine has a lefty version and loves it. He says its never jammed and Ive seen it shoot and its accurate.

Bartholomew Roberts
April 27, 2010, 08:47 AM
M4 style 16" chrome barrel or chromoly

You understand that a chromemoly barrel is not the same as a chrome-lined barrel right? Manufacturers often use the term chromemoly (which is chrome-molybendum, the type of steel in the barrel) to refer to an unlined barrel.

It often confuses new purchasers who think they are getting a chrome-lined barrel (or the equivalent of it) when that is not the case.

jwsturr
April 27, 2010, 11:07 AM
Bartholomew: it just has to be durable. I'm pretty sure the manufactures I listed are all chrome lined as standard. But threw chromoly out there because it might be an option on one of them.

CZF:
These are the manufacturers I'm considering going with. I'm sure I left out a lot more quality rifles. Like Stag, Armalite, Del-Ton...

CoRoMo
April 27, 2010, 11:14 AM
Do whatever you have to do... to get the Colt.

Z-Michigan
April 27, 2010, 11:15 AM
Best bang for the buck, among your choices, S&W.

The now-discontinued (company is out of business) Charles Daly Defense D-M4LE was an outstanding deal, nearly the same features as a Colt 6920 for a lot less money. Those might still be available some places, but there would be no warranty.

The Colt 6920 is pricey but you would likely never find anything to upgrade. Similarly options from Daniel Defense, LMT and Bravo Company. With some shopping around you can find those in the $1200 range. Here's a Daniel Defense for $1199:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1DDXV&groupid=11

And that one even has the hammer-forged barrel, which is not mil-spec but actually better than mil-spec.

Other options that might be good values would be Armalite, Stag, and Sabre Defence.

DoubleStar and Del-Ton are good quality plinkers but if you plan hard use you might look for something nicer. I do not see a good value proposition for DPMS, Rock River or Olympic. CMMG might be worth a look too but is in the middle, good quality but not quite top end.

Shrubmaster/Bushhamster makes a mid-range gun that usually sells at an upper mid-range price, and some of them have bugs here and there (like undersized chambers), and they are near the last in cosmetics. I would take one at a great price, but not at typical asking prices. And I own two of them, FWIW.

StuartTX
April 27, 2010, 11:32 AM
Spikes Tactical. $800 plus shipping. The best AR15 to cost on the market right now. By far. In my opinion, it is right up there with LMT, BCM, and even Daniel Defense, for less than bushmaster prices. Not quite Colt/Noveske, but still far better than anything else in its price class

I agree. The "LE" version by Spike's Tactical is the same as the $950 ST-15 but without the "cold-hammer forged" barrel. I've got one in the closet and I love it. Here is a pic of mine with a custom receiver:

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc262/stuarttx/484a8292.jpg

Z-Michigan
April 27, 2010, 11:47 AM
I hadn't looked at the Spike's Tactical before. Here's a link:

http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113&products_id=387

If it's as advertised, it's an unbeatable deal. I would ignore all the other options, if there's no hidden problem with the Spike's Tactical.

BridgeTooFar
April 27, 2010, 11:47 AM
No poll option for STAG ARMS?

I'd be interested to see what you guys think of a $725 (shipped) NIB Model 2.

Ive heard very good things about STAG rifles. A friend of mine has a lefty version and loves it. He says its never jammed and Ive seen it shoot and its accurate.

These two hit the nail on the head. I've had a lefty version for ~5 years now. Never had one failure or malfunction, and I've shot some pretty stupidly dirty stuff through it.

I bought it mostly because they offered it in a dedicated lefty set up, but I'd have one in every caliber and configuration they make (save maybe a couple) if my finances allowed it.

wally
April 27, 2010, 12:04 PM
S&W. Best customer service in the industry should you have problems. With their frequent promotions they are a great buy for what you get.

EdLaver
April 27, 2010, 12:24 PM
Three DPMS rifles without a problem, I trust DPMS when others dont...

Mags
April 27, 2010, 12:32 PM
If I was to buy a sub 900 dollar AR it would be a Doublestar and if I couldn't find one of those I would go with S&W. But if you were building your own go with Bravo Company lower parts and complete upper and you would end up spending 900 or less for a better quality AR.

ForumSurfer
April 27, 2010, 12:33 PM
Jw, I'm in the same boat. I've had a curiosity for AR's and always enjoyed shooting my friends' AR's. I finally decided to get my own. I'd like to have a Colt or a RRA. I'm sure the Colt would retain it's value better.

What I decided to do is build one from the ground up. I've assembled the lower and the upper myself, and up next is the bolt. I understand alot more about the gun this way. Before, it was a mystery except for theory. Now I feel confident I could build another with ease without resorting to having my laptop on the workbench with another forum’s popular sticky “how to build an AR for dummies” guide. I also have some helpful, knowldegeable friends I can call on if I am uncertain…and to inspect it before I ever start sending rounds downrange.

I did this to satisyfy my curiosity, be a temporary hobby and to gain a smidge of knowledge along the way. I can also get a feel for the platform this way and see what I want without throwing down a grand on a nice rifle that I may not like in the long run. I have very little in this project due to some creative trading (some done on this site). I could damage it and repair it without feeling the wallet sting. I can always part it out, keep it as a part gun or sell it to fund the purchase of a nicer rifle. My dad, who has recently retired seems to like it. I had to go by a borrow his punch set and he seemed to enjoy working with me on it. Asked tons of questions and looked all the pieces up and down. He was a tank mechanic (only issued a sidearm) and had some basic sniper training, but he never got to work with those “new black rifles” while he served during the Vietnam era. He said he fired them a few times at the range, but he worked mostly with the m14. Maybe next Father’s Day I’ll completely dissasemble it, give him the pile o’parts, email him the “how to for dummies” link and give him a new hobby for his retirement. Of course, it sounds to me like I’d need to toss in some A2 parts to make him happy.:D

Good luck with whatever you decide!

RP88
April 27, 2010, 01:52 PM
a better buy-for-the-money out of all of those would be a Bravo/BCM gun. You can build a pure-milspec gun nowadays off them for like $850. Hard to beat, IMO.

But out of the choices, S&W, assuming you're finding them at the right price. Around me they go for 300 bucks less than a Colt.

PMROY
April 27, 2010, 11:51 PM
Since you are buying something that will last and expect not to fowl up at all, spend the money and get the Colt. Dollar for Dollar, its worth every penny you pay. "I should of bought the Colt" is one thing you will always here at one point or another from those who go a little down market. I did and regretted it! Sometimes the majority is correct. After Colt, there is everyone else and if you want to go upmarket, start with the Colt. It will set the benchmark for you as far as reliability and value retention. As you go up market your value for dollar spent is the intersecting lines of diminishing returns and investment. Your return on purchasing an AR, at first goes up proportionally to how much money you spend. After Colt, the line of returns goes up marginally as the line of cost still goes up like a rocket.
Hope this helps a little.

greyling22
April 28, 2010, 12:01 AM
if you go the spikes route, they do an ar15.com discount, and if you just buy the upper there is a coupon code for $50 off.

cdnn has some good deals on the smith& wessons.

my father in law has the doublestar. it's a pretty good gun. he hasn't run into any problems.

also the del-ton complete rifle kits are a heck of a deal. $465+a stripped lower and an hour of your time to assemble it.

the cmmg bargain bin guns have a very good reputation too.

Z-Michigan
April 28, 2010, 12:25 AM
After Colt, there is everyone else and if you want to go upmarket, start with the Colt. It will set the benchmark for you as far as reliability and value retention.

I think this is going too far in praising Colt. Sure, their 6920 is a good carbine (it should be since it's basically a semiauto 16" M4). But there are other makes that are just as good and even better, and some of them don't cost any more. I would take the DD carbine I linked above over a 6920 without a second thought. Colt might (might!) hold more resale value, but if that's a major consideration don't buy any of these rifles, just keep the money... or at least buy something truly collectible.

Welding Rod
April 28, 2010, 12:28 AM
For an M4 like carbine intended primarly for personal defense I would get a Colt 6920.

For an A2 or A2 NM, or a varmiter I would get a Rock River.

W.E.G.
April 28, 2010, 12:39 AM
Which is the "best AR?"

I vote for pie.

Zerodefect
April 28, 2010, 07:43 AM
bcm :d

wally
April 28, 2010, 09:06 AM
For an M4 like carbine intended primarly for personal defense I would get a Colt 6920.


I've yet to find one where the front hand guards didn't rock side to side -- doesn't scream premium quality to me! The 6940 is nice if you want a quad rail and don't mind the price.

Get a Colt if you plan to sell it, as I agree about the value retention thing, but IMHO they have been living off their reputation for years.

RockyMtnTactical
April 28, 2010, 04:00 PM
BCM is the best for the money if you want a true fighting rifle that you will abuse. LMT is a close second.

Stag is a great bang for the buck as well. Not quite as good as the two others I mentioned, but a lot less $$.

possum
April 29, 2010, 03:05 PM
i would build one with BCM parts.

but if i didn't do that, i would buy whatever was cheaper between a bushmaster, stag and s&W.

Coltdude84
April 29, 2010, 03:20 PM
I voted for bushmaster because it has ran 100% since the day I got it without a single hick up.. There are many good companies out there that make a good quality AR, Colt, RRA, heck even SIG and HK are introducting some pretty new concepts.. If I were in the market for another quality AR-15 without breaking the bank I would go for the Bushmaster or Rock River Arms..

Zerodefect
April 29, 2010, 07:05 PM
I voted for Colt. But you didn't list BCM which, IMO, offers a superior weapon than colt for a lower price. BCM's standard barrels are as good as the barrel a 6920 has. Their cold hammer forged are superior, and thier 410 SS are exrtremly accurate if your into that.

I recently bought a Colt 6920 ($1300). I wanted the Colt to round out my collection. A Colt has a bit of Panach (sp?) in the tactical class community, works well, and I wanted the name recognition. And let's face it, AR's are all Colt has going real well for themselfs right now.

When I build a rifle, for myself or my friends, I often start with a LMT, Cavalry Arms, or Noveske Lower. Then I use a BCM, Larue, or Rainier Arms upper and Magpul furniture.

Even though the "big name brand" lowers cost a little extra. It's neat when people oogle your "Noveske". Makes it easier to sell as well. Even if I mention that it's a build useng BCM components, all everyone sees is that logo on the lower all the time.

Unfortuneatly stripped Colt lowers cost as much as a complete AK. So they aren't the best for building, unless you can use the entire rifle like I did.

jem375
April 29, 2010, 07:17 PM
for the money, it's DPMS, we have 3 and they all work great..use money saved to buy ammo..

UnTainted
April 29, 2010, 08:26 PM
I would have voted armalite, but went smith.

MIL-DOT
April 29, 2010, 08:58 PM
Yeah, I was wondering why no "Armalite"?
Though I've owned a couple AR's,( actually,three) I'm inclined to vote according to what I've heard and read over what I've experienced, and if "best for the money" is the criteria, I'm also going to say Smith & Wesson.

WarMachine
April 29, 2010, 09:27 PM
Out of the ones you listed, a Colt or S&W.

And if you can afford either of those, you can afford to put a BCM upper on the lower of your choice. Doing so would be the way I would go (and did go).

RatDrall
April 29, 2010, 09:39 PM
The S&W is the best complete rifle, for the money. The only difference between the M&P15 and rifles from LMT, Colt, BCM, and other top tier rifles is the barrel on the S&W is made from 4140 steel instead of the higher grade stuff.

Other brands cut more corners.

If you don't mind buying the upper and lower seperately, you can buy a BCM completed lower for $360 and an upper for $435. All you'll need is some handguards ($20), and a bolt carrier group and charging handle ($145 with the upper). You could have a top tier rifle for just a hair over a thousand dollars, the price of the lesser rifles at the gunshop. All without any real "assembly", aside from snapping the handguards on all you have to do is pin the upper and lower together. *I know that the lower doesn't matter, reliabilitywise, but "Frankenguns" don't resell so well, matching names on the upper and lower helps*

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Lower-Receiver-Groups-M4-AR15-s/117.htm
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR-15-16-Mid-Length-Group-s/27.htm
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Mid-Length-Handguards-Black-p/handguards%20mid%20length%20black.htm

franconialocal
April 29, 2010, 09:57 PM
Try this......Sorry if someone already posted it, but it's a great write-up.

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81462&highlight=jwise

snakeman
April 29, 2010, 10:26 PM
with colt you get a name what i would have liked to see is stag model 8

BushyGuy
April 29, 2010, 10:32 PM
I love Bushmaster so bad, i bought one with a giant hole in my pocket! I knew it wouldnt fail me and it hasnt! My first choice was Rock River but they are hard to find one for sale that time i was lookin so i bought My Bushmaster and i fell on love with it.

Bushmaster is better then Colt -reason cuz Colt chambers are too tight when they get dirty they jam, other then that they are good guns, dont buy a AR15 with a Wylde chamber they are good for slow fire but not combat- why you think alot of troops are complaining about it? just cuz they have mil spec doesnt mean they are better , If Bushmaster supplied the Marines their rifles there wouldnt be as many complaints!

who cares about customer service and warranties- if the AR is built to last then it shouldnt worry about the warranty, again another point for Bushmaster.

Go Bushmaster!!!!:cool: Rock River is second .

RP88
April 29, 2010, 10:50 PM
Try this......Sorry if someone already posted it, but it's a great write-up.

http://forums.officer.com/forums/sho...ighlight=jwise

this write-up puts a lot about the "Chart" in question if it's true - at least in regard to staking, feedramps, and some bolt things. And once again, CMMG either doesn't get quite the credit it deserves (I did not know they MP their bolts), or gives itself just a tad too much credit (still wondering why they no longer are credited with using MIL-EB115 milspec 4150 steel in their barrels when they were for the several years the chart has been around).

Also, I haven't seen it pop up yet, but Del-Ton is a good value buy as a kit. You can add some essential upgrades for a bit more and save $200 over building off a BCM, so long as you're okay with sacrificing a few things. I got an e-mail from them today where they answered several chart-related questions, and Del-Ton does a lot more right than I originally thought.

TonyAngel
May 3, 2010, 06:11 PM
If I understand your question, you're looking for the best bang for the buck to get you into an AR-15. There are lots of quality rifles out there right now. If I had to choose one best rifle for a fighting carbine, without breaking the bank, it would probably be BCM. I haven't bought a rifle from them, but have ordered enough parts to constitue a rifle and I have to say that the parts are quality made.

Another thing that you have to remember is that no matter what you buy, parts are going to wear out. You are going to need to replace buffer springs, bolts, rings, buffers, extractors, etc. It isn't a matter of if, but when you will need to replace the parts.

If you just want to get into a good AR-15, I believe that CMMG has what they call "bargain bin" rifles for something like $600. I really don't know where they get them, but the consist of rifles from many of the manufacturers listed in this thread. Some were surplus and such. Many have gotten them and like them.

Personally, based on what I've seen, if I were to buy a whole rifle, I'd go BCM. I've had RRA, Bushmaster and Colt. The Colt was nice, but geez are they expensive. The RRA and Bushy were nice, but not on the same level as the BCM stuff.

Bartholomew Roberts
May 3, 2010, 07:12 PM
Bushmaster is better then Colt -reason cuz Colt chambers are too tight when they get dirty they jam, other then that they are good guns

Unless you are buying one of the few models with a .223 chamber, you are going to get a 5.56x45 chamber with Colt - which is the same chamber most Bushmasters use. In fact, I'll bet you money right now that if we take ten random Colts and ten random Bushmasters, both with supposedly 5.56x45 chambers, and gauge them both, Bushmaster will have a greater rate of chambers that do not match the dimensions of a 5.56x45 chamber.

dont buy a AR15 with a Wylde chamber they are good for slow fire but not combat- why you think alot of troops are complaining about it?

1. Troops in combat are issued rifles with 5.56x45 chambers, with the possible exception of specialized rifles like the SDM or Mk12.

2. You might take a look at some of Zak Smith's reports in the archives here. He has shot in competitions where gas blocks were charred black from the heat and aluminium gas blocks went single shot from heat expansion. Serious, heavy duty shooting - and with rifles using hybrid chambers either identical to the Wylde chamber or having only minor differences.

I'm not sure what you consider a "slow fire" firing schedule or a "combat" firing schedule; but I'll guarantee you that a Wylde chamber will handle a firing schedule that will cause parts failure in cheaper ARs.

And once again, CMMG either doesn't get quite the credit it deserves (I did not know they MP their bolts), or gives itself just a tad too much credit (still wondering why they no longer are credited with using MIL-EB115 milspec 4150 steel in their barrels when they were for the several years the chart has been around).

My understanding is that it was called into question whether the 4150 that CMMG uses meets the MIL standards for the AR barrel.

SwampWolf
May 3, 2010, 08:36 PM
RRA is a good choice-and be sure and include their NM trigger when you order if your plans include target/varmint shooting.

Guns and more
May 3, 2010, 09:04 PM
I bought the Colt because I took re-sale into account.
For the money is a big modifier.

Z-Michigan
May 3, 2010, 09:24 PM
I got an e-mail from them today where they answered several chart-related questions, and Del-Ton does a lot more right than I originally thought.

Please do tell! I have one of their kits and like it, but was considering some upgrades, and would definitely like to know if any of my proposed upgrades are redundant!

Z-Michigan
May 3, 2010, 09:25 PM
I bought the Colt because I took re-sale into account.
For the money is a big modifier.

Not to be snide but I don't think many people will be re-selling a quality M4gery. Too useful to keep and too much competition for resale to be that great even if it is a Colt.

Detachment Charlie
May 3, 2010, 10:10 PM
For the money? Add one more vote for Stag. :D

Mags
May 3, 2010, 10:12 PM
Just took apart my Del ton bolt to "upgrade" the extractor insert and spring with a BCM kit. To my surprise the Del ton had the black insert the same can't be said of the Bushmaster bolt I upgraded at the same time with the blue insert.

clang
May 3, 2010, 10:17 PM
I voted for the S&W because their complete packages are well priced and they have the best custoemr service group out there (if you should ever need it). I think they still have the lifetime gautenty too.

speaksoftly
May 3, 2010, 10:20 PM
This is my baby. I got her brand new for $1200 shipped and couldn't have been happier. Takes the most awesome P-Mags and I now have an Eotech 556.223 mounted on it. The things so accurate it's unreal. I thought about getting a Colt but didn't want to pay that much for the name and I'm glad I tried the Smith.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/asimplemaestro/Firearms/CIMG1753.jpg

RP88
May 4, 2010, 02:09 AM
Please do tell! I have one of their kits and like it, but was considering some upgrades, and would definitely like to know if any of my proposed upgrades are redundant!

Here's the basic breakdown:

shot-peening: no
MPI bolt: batch
HPT bolt: batch
Black insert: yes
Staked gas key: yes
carrier type: semi, based on experience; but full-auto/M16 carriers are offered upon special request
1:7 twist: yes, for middies and M4 kits/rifles
Barrel steel: the chrome-lined 1x7 barrels use 4150 standard (not milspec), 4140 for everything else
chamber: 5.56
feedramps: M4 extended; optional
chrome-lining: yes; optional on all kits
MPI barrel: batch
HPT barrel: batch
park under FSB: yes
FSB: commercial, but F-marked is available upon request
FSB pins: tapered
heat shields: double for M4; optional
buffer tube extension: commercial, but milspec is available upon special request (this means that you cannot get a stock since all of their stocks are commercial diameter)
buffer type: carbine
extension staking: n/a; it's a kit, after all
FCG size: standard
Rear sight: detach carry handle, A2 upper, etc. (my carry handle was keyhole forged, so it should be the proper spec'd heights, etc.)

most of their stuff comes from Samson mfg. apparently. Wilson supplies SOME of their barrels. Some of the other barrels are probably supplied from Samson or other manufacturers. Del-Ton probably gets their receivers and similar "non-specific" parts from the same people who supply DPMS.

Pretty good for the price you pay. I'd personally swap the BCG out for a BCM, DD, CMT, etc., drop an H buffer in, and stake the receiver extension myself. Doing all of this and getting all of those upgrades (some of which are free and are just available on request:D) and buying a stripped lower will bring you up to about $900, give or take.

so for a little less than a S&W, you can apparently get a gun better than a S&W (minus the warranty).

So it can be as good as that, or still about as good as a DPMS or Oly (but without the out-of-spec chambers and possibility to fall apart)

Mags
May 4, 2010, 11:10 AM
Black insert: blue, based off of personal experience (e-mailed asking if their full-autos are different - awaiting reply) My semi auto had a black insert.

RP88
May 4, 2010, 01:40 PM
just got an email back: they use black inserts only and properly stake all carriers now. Edited previous post.

SpeedAKL
May 5, 2010, 03:55 PM
S&W and LMT are both good buys for the money, at least among manufacturers you are likely to see in the typical gun shop. S&W's guns are nearly up to Colt or LMT spec for a good bit less money and they often have sales promotions. LMT's basic guns are essentially equal to Colt for less cash.

Like others have said, you can piece together a BCM upper with the lower of your choice and have a very nice rifle for the dollar.

Jaybird78
May 5, 2010, 09:46 PM
Of the ones listed I said Smith/Wesson. Colt will hold its value. I hear great things about Spikes.

And for the record you should have listed BCM, their kool aid is to die for.

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