.357 for Wild Pig


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jackslayer
April 29, 2010, 12:41 AM
I plan to start hunting in the near future and wild pig seem to be a good place to start. Unlimited, easy to do it legal etc. Plus I've heard there's a ton of em out here in california. Would .357 mag with heavy loads be a good choice? What web sites would go over the basics for shot placement and animal anatomy? The only thing I have right now that would do the job is a 12 gauge with slugs. Just don't wanna destroy the meat. Thanks for any info you have ;)

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gallo
April 29, 2010, 01:42 AM
It's OK... as a backup to a 30-30 or your shotgun. Those things are vicious when wounded.

memphisjim
April 29, 2010, 01:50 AM
take the 12 gauge if you value your meat over the pigs

David E
April 29, 2010, 02:02 AM
I took my first pig with a .44 magnum Trapper length Winchester. The shot was about 80 yds. It did the job.

The next three I was present for all used a .223, all with good results.

Largest pig was 250-300 lbs or so. I'd say it depends how big the pigs are in your neck of the woods. The .357, presuming you can hit with it, can do just fine......if the pigs aren't crazy big.

Roughneck08
April 29, 2010, 02:21 AM
Definitely trust them when they say, "Don't worry about ruining the meat". If you get the chance, you will quickly learn that you won't ruin the meat with a slug. Hogs are tough critters. Any heavy .357 heavy load would be a fine backup weapon. My good friend uses his blackhawk in .357 when we catch hogs with his pit bulls. The largest we have bayed and caught were 220lbs max.

oldfool
April 29, 2010, 08:33 AM
I took my first pig with a .44 magnum Trapper length Winchester. The shot was about 80 yds. It did the job.

The next three I was present for all used a .223, all with good results.

Largest pig was 250-300 lbs or so. I'd say it depends how big the pigs are in your neck of the woods. The .357, presuming you can hit with it, can do just fine......if the pigs aren't crazy big.
what he said, yes
depends how big the pig
357 fine for Texas size
not fine for south Georgia size, (tote a 30-30 or something like)

257x50
April 29, 2010, 08:46 AM
Look for your horsepower thru bullet weight, not speed.

MCgunner
April 29, 2010, 08:58 AM
I don't think there's really any difference in Texas an Georgia hogs except for those faked Hozilla pictures where the guy shot a farm raized 1000 lb pig and tried to palm it off on the net as wild. :rolleyes:

I shoot meat hogs with a .357, works just fine. Much over 200 lbs and I don't want 'em, anyway. The caliber is under-rated in the hunting world. It will penetrate the shoulders of a big, gristled up 350-400 lber with the right bullet. I shoot either a 180 grain Hornady XTP at 1400 fps or a 165 grain hard cast gas checked Keith style SWC at 1470 fps. The hogs I've killed have been with the 165 grain bullet, though I shot one with my 3" carry not long ago, 140 grain Speer JHP to the head from about 15 yards. He was only about 80 lbs, but a head shot would do in his papa. :D

Look for your horsepower thru bullet weight, not speed.

I prefer both.

kanook
April 29, 2010, 09:02 AM
357 hardcast 180 behind the ear. Stay away from JHP or HP. The harder the better. You want penetration. They are not bullet proof, but really close to it.

257x50
April 29, 2010, 09:02 AM
MCgunner says it so much better.................

natman
April 29, 2010, 09:24 AM
Use the 12 ga with slugs and don't worry about the meat. A slug starts out somewhere in the teens and is not going to bloodshot the meat.

Sure it's possible to kill a hog with a 357. It's also possible to wound one with it, a lot more possible than with a more suitable round.

CWL
April 29, 2010, 02:39 PM
I've hunted wild pigs in N. CA. I use a shotgun. I have carried my .357 as a sidearm with hard cast loads, but only for shooting downwards from a tree, or to finish a wounded pig with.

Wouldn't be my primary.

Quoheleth
April 29, 2010, 05:06 PM
Pigs are tough. They are not Abrams tanks, impermiable to all things not depleted uranium.

A good, hardcast lead bullet (see Missouri Bullet's 180gr "Striker") or something like Hornady's 180gr XTP should do the job just fine. Use a good dose of AA#9 or 2400 and you're good to go.

Stay away from the monster piggies. Look for something in the 200lb range. They will taste better in the long run.

Placement will be key. Get a big sheet of cardboard and sketch the likeness of a pig on it. Don't sketch in the "kill zone" - I have yet to see a wild animal that had the convenient circles on it. Set it at various distances. If you can't find and hit the kill zone at a given distance, don't shoot the real thing at that distance. If all you can manage is 25 yards, keep your hog shots under 25 yards. Nothing is more unethical than outshooting your ability and wounding an animal. If you're a 50-yard shooter, don't take the 100-yard shot.

Q

JJE
April 29, 2010, 07:21 PM
I've hunted pigs a few times in CA, but never taken a shot at one. I'm a public land cheapskate, and hog-hunting on public land is pretty slim pickins. Although the state is full of public land, most of it is poor habitat (which is why it's public land) - it's either bone dry half the year or very, very rugged. The best public land is adjacent to private land with water, and the best county state-wide I believe is Monterey, followed by the "wine country" counties. Check out http://www.jesseshunting.com/ (jesseshunting.com)- for lots of info, and alot of it is CA-specific.

My ballistic experience versus pigs is non-existent, but I've settled on a 12" Contender in 357 magnum (2x scope, 140 gr XTPs or 140 gr Barnes XPBs in the no-lead zone around Monterey) as my rig if I ever hunt pigs again, but I'll be looking for a succulent 50-pounder. If I thought I might be shooting a full-grown animal, I'd carry a rifle (30-30 would do).

257x50
April 29, 2010, 07:41 PM
If you have a Contender, ream it out to 357 Max when you can. Serious flat shooter and as much HP as a 44.

MCgunner
April 29, 2010, 09:39 PM
If I thought I might be shooting a full-grown animal, I'd carry a rifle (30-30 would do).

Just get a 12" .30-30 barrel for that contender frame. With the right handload, it'll drop any pig that walks. So will the .357, though. :D The .30-30 lays down 1000 ft lbs at 200 yards, though, loaded with a 140 Barnes bullet or a 150 Nosler BT.

oneounceload
April 29, 2010, 11:21 PM
IIRC, CA has Russian boars which can get plenty big. Friend popped over the hill from NV to do a boar - the guide suggested he use his 30-06. His boar was over 400 pounds. If you're hunting little pigs or javelina sized porkers, a hard cast 357 might do a decent job at close range. Personally, I'd opt for the shotgun and buck or slugs

Buck Snort
April 29, 2010, 11:54 PM
"I plan to start hunting in the near future and wild pig seem to be a good place to start. Unlimited, easy to do it legal etc. Plus I've heard there's a ton of em out here in california."

Problem is most of them are on private property in Monterey County and you'll pay an arm and a leg to hunt. Been there, seen that, done it, and bought the T-shirt.

JT'sDad
April 30, 2010, 12:47 AM
I will be pig hunting/pig hiking tomorrow morning. I use my 20ga 870 with rifled slugs. We hunt brush and I shoot pigs 50yds in and closer.
.357 magnum with 180 gr hardcast would be fine to use as well. kanook- great pig diagram.

ArchAngelCD
April 30, 2010, 12:53 AM
.357 Magnum will be fine especially loaded with ammo built with a hard cast 180gr gas checked bullet from Cast Performance.

jackslayer
April 30, 2010, 01:09 AM
Thanks to all of you for your input. Looks like a rifle would do a better job. I have a contact to hunt on private land and so that's not a problem. It looks like I may be better off just investing in a rifle. Would a .223 really be sufficient? If so I'd gladly use this as my excuse to get a Cal legal AR. I only ask this because someone said they saw 3 taken with a .223. Kinda in a tough spot to make a decision because I can only afford to buy maybe one gun in the near future and I want to make sure that it covers as many bases as possible. I know that will almost guarantee that I make compromises but that's just the way it is.

Marshall
April 30, 2010, 01:37 AM
One gun?

A 30-30 is a great all around "one gun".

Also, it's pretty cool to have a rifle chambered the same as your sidearm. Example: .357 Mag, .44 Mag.

Whatever you end up doing, good luck on your hunt!

ArchAngelCD
April 30, 2010, 09:30 AM
A levergun isn't a bad idea at all. The 30-30 will take even the bigger pigs easily. I have 3 leverguns, one in 30-30 another in .357 Magnum and the last is in .22 LR. (it's a Henry)

DWFan
April 30, 2010, 10:12 AM
A .357 Magnum lever-action with 158gr Buffalo Bore ammo and a .30-30 with most factory ammo are nearly identical in power. The .30-30 will shoot flatter and farther due to the smaller diameter bullet. The Hornady .30-30 LEVERevolution has more velocity, but I've seen reports of over-pressure signs in some weapons.
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=102
In a revolver, the "heavy" loads (180-200gr) from Buffalo Bore, CorBon or Double Tap will work as long as the nasty isn't too big. If you aren't revolver proficient or don't have plenty of time and ammo to practice with; I'd suggest going to a long-gun or using the 12ga. I don't recommend a .223 even though it's been used by some.

Franco2shoot
April 30, 2010, 10:28 AM
I'm more interested in the second part of your question as to where to place the shot. A well placed Heart or Lung shot will bring the beast down, but you may have to do some serious tracking to find the animal. On the other hand, a .357 round behind or through the lug holes will drop anything like a stone. I don't understand why WhiteTail aren't taken this way, be it powder of Bow.

KKKKFL

axeman_g
April 30, 2010, 10:41 AM
hmmmm... Personally think your on the lower end of power for a good size hog (150+). I have seen a .357 glance off a hogs skull... it broke the bone but did not penetrate. It was more a happenstance then round issue. Hit the hog perfectly at the angle needed to slant off it's skull right above the eyes. I have also seen three hogs taken with well placed broadside shots.

I would be more confident with the slug gun just starting out. A good slug gun is accurate out to 100+ yards.

DammitBoy
April 30, 2010, 10:50 AM
I've hunted hogs for years in Alabama with just a pistol. I started with a .357 but my preferred sidearm is my Ruger Blackhawk in 45 Colt.

The hogs here range from 200-400lbs on average with some bigger ones showing up now and then. You really don't want the meat from a male over 100-150lbs.

I've killed them with everything from a .22 to .223 to shotgun slugs. They are not by any means invincible. I do carry my Para-Ordinance P14 as back up in case I get into a hairy situation.

The closest I've come to that is turning the corner in the woods and being 20 yards from 16 hogs at once. That will make yer butthole pucker!

Hunting hogs with a pistol is very doable.

batmann
April 30, 2010, 11:10 AM
I prefer my handguns in a bigger caliber, something like my .44M, but a .357 WITH a 180 to 200 gr HC solid from Double Tap might work IF the Hogs don't get to big.
My first choice is my .30-30 loaded with 170 gr solids with my Alaskan as a back up with 320 gr HC, but you can kill two Hogs with one stone (pun) by going with a .44M rifle w/same caliber handgun back up, if it is legal. Same could be said using a .357M in combo. Shot placement and type of bullet are critical on hogs, so use the best. Remember, it could be your mangled leg we see on Youtube.

Maj Dad
April 30, 2010, 08:52 PM
W.D.M. Bell killed a boat-load of elephants with his 280 Rigby (7x57 Mauser), but the gold standard nowadays is in the neighborhood of 416, or better, 460 Weatherby. If you shoot hogs with a 357, or even a 44, be sure of your shot placement, else be sure of the closest tree...
:cool:

Double Naught Spy
April 30, 2010, 10:21 PM
I don't think I would suggest hunting hog from the ground with a single shot pistol, but some of y'all may be a lot better with a pistol than me. However, a .357 should be fine for hogs, but I would do so with a revolver. Heck, there are folks that hunt them just fine with 9mm semi autos.

People keep saying shot placement will matter. That goes without saying and isn't limited to pistol or .357 use. Even fatally heart/lung rifle shot hogs can travel considerable distances. Youtube has numerous such examples.

So long as the hogs don't know you are there, chances are they aren't going to charge you when you shoot them. If they don't drop when shot, they will bolt and if they don't know you are there, there is little chance for them to charge you. If you make yourself known to them and then shoot them, they very well may realize that you are the culprit of their pain.

augustino
April 30, 2010, 11:55 PM
So hogs with 12 gauge slugs is a good combo?

I have a Winchester 1300 long barrel with a screw in choke will this SG accept slugs W/O damaging the barrel?
Is it OK to run slugs through an Ithaca 37 Deerslayer?

alienbogey
May 1, 2010, 12:09 AM
I've taken dozens of CA hogs on a buddy's ranch. Over the years I've gotten them with a .30-30 (most common), .30-06, .270, 7MM-08, 54 caliber Hawken reproduction, 357 Mag, 45 Colt revolver and rifle, and one time went after them with an H&K G3 (it was probably best that we didn't find the pigs that day as we were all full auto).

Bullet points:

• They've been taken on that ranch (east of San Jose) up to 400 pounds.

• If you want to eat it don't bother with anything over 200 pounds. Young sows 150-180 pounds are best. We tried to eat barbecued ribs off a 250 boar one time and it was like trying to chew dinosaur - fossilized dinosaur. Tasted about as good, too.

• Winter pigs are best - the rains have caused a lot of food for them to grow, they've been feeding on acorns, and the rooting is easier. They're as fat as they're going to get.

• Have a sidearm no matter what your primary weapon is. You might jump a herd quite close, they'll scatter, and your 10X scoped Master Blaster rifle is going to be pretty useless before they get into the brush. You might also have a pig come for you and it will exciting enough without trying to find him getting larger and blurrier in that scope - drop the rifle and pull the handgun, I've done it before. If your rifle is something like an open sight lever action you're fine - just make the shot(s).

• If you're going into the brush after a wounded pig, forget the scoped Master Blaster and have your sidearm in your hand or, better yet, have a 12 gauge with slugs in both hands. Know where your partners are.

• .357 works fine on the small to medium sized pigs, just take reasonably close, well-placed shots. I haven't shot one bigger than 200# or so with 357, I've shot them up to about 250# with my Blackhawk and uploaded 45 Colt rounds. I agree with previous posters that hollow points would not be a good idea, especially if shot into a boar's gristle shield.

• I don't know what the policy is on your private land access, but the ranch owner on mine says, "Don't stop shooting until your out of targets or bullets, whichever comes first." The pigs are thick, do a lot of damage, and he has a depredation permit. :) We take him at his word and do a lot of shoot & release, and also occasionally take good ones down to food banks. The ranch record for one weekend is 19, and the record for most pigs out of one group is 13, by my buddy and I. (Makes a very good story)

• It's a ton of fun.

gglass
May 1, 2010, 12:13 AM
When S&W introduced the .357 Magnum in 1935, Major Wesson publicized it by literally taking all of the North American big game with it, including grizzly and Polar bear, IIRC. That's not to say that it would always one-shot-stop a dangerous animal, but with the right bullet, at the right velocity, in the right place, it will certainly kill them.

oldfool
May 1, 2010, 12:20 AM
I don't think there's really any difference in Texas an Georgia hogs except for those faked Hozilla pictures where the guy shot a farm raized 1000 lb pig and tried to palm it off on the net as wild. :rolleyes:

I shoot meat hogs with a .357, works just fine. Much over 200 lbs and I don't want 'em, anyway. The caliber is under-rated in the hunting world. It will penetrate the shoulders of a big, gristled up 350-400 lber with the right bullet. I shoot either a 180 grain Hornady XTP at 1400 fps or a 165 grain hard cast gas checked Keith style SWC at 1470 fps. The hogs I've killed have been with the 165 grain bullet, though I shot one with my 3" carry not long ago, 140 grain Speer JHP to the head from about 15 yards. He was only about 80 lbs, but a head shot would do in his papa. :D



I prefer both.
good reply, McGunner !

me, ex-Yankee (Iowa), folks up there been known to shoot a big (pen) piggie square in the head up close w/ a 22 rimfire pistol up close and drop up 'em stone cold.. some also do that in south Georgia... (shot placement do count)

me, ex-Texan (north Texas, not south Texas)
big place, Texas, bigger than Georgia, but some things in common, including good folks, and hawg hunters, and...
there is a north Texas and a south Texas
there is a north Georgia and a south Georgia
ain't either south Texas nor south Georgia ever seen "Hogzilla", and never will
(ain't either one ever seen those anaconda size rattlers, either, not that there is any shortage of ones that will rattle, if cornered)
and both have seen 350# hawgs in heavy cover and swamplands

some folks use hawg dawgs to chase 'em down, but it's a pretty good idea to bring a good supply of dawgs, because you might finish the day with fewer than you started with, and mr. piggie might not be in a good mood when you do catch up
(which is not a real bad reason to tote a 30-30 along)

me, always have been a big fan of 357, for most things south of Iowa, and pert near anything south of north Texas or north Georgia, on two legs or four
would not hesitate (then or now) to shoot a piggie that don't weigh more than me with a 357, revolver or carbine (even if I be significantly heftier now than I was 30 years ago in Texas).. but not much inclined to shoot at bambi with either one beyond 75 yards
(south Georgia and north Texas bambi both being NOT Iowa Bambi, and nowhere close in weight nor disposition to mr. hawg)

if I was still Texas young, and you invited me on a north or south Texas hawg hunt, I woulda' brought a 357 carbine w/ a 357 S&W revolver on my hip

but I am older and slower now (and never was fond of chasin' after hawg dawgs anyhow, the damn rattlers get annoyed when you run over 'em); I would still be wearing same S&W 357 revolver, but I would be carrying a 30-30 carbine in hand "just because"
(dunno really know why, mebbe like why my casual wear includes a Colt IWB when not in the woods)

PS
yep, you guessed it, just kidding around (mostly)
EAT MORE PORK, "the other white meat" !
(best when BBQ'd, preferably south Georgia style, but Texas style will do if you don't know any better)

DammitBoy
May 1, 2010, 12:24 AM
Look, wild boar are not T-Rex in a pig suit.

Plenty of people hunt them with just knives. Hunt them with whatever you want, just be comfortable with what you're doing, but don't make them out to be mythic monsters.

That said, the males will charge you and once you fire - they will know you are there. The females and shoats generally run, most adult males will not.

oldfool
May 1, 2010, 01:06 AM
CAUTION !
me, I was mostly just kidding
DB is not
you can't live in both Texas and Georgia, without knowing some of them Mississippi folks
(don't mistake that soft spoken southern hospitality for "genteel".. they really do hunt wild boar with knives)

last of a dying breed, dunno why
(ain't like there are all that many Grizz in Mississippi, north or south)

PS
if you ever meet one of 'em in in the woods carrying a compound bow, forget whatever caliber you carry, and just mind your manners, no kidding

snooperman
May 1, 2010, 08:14 AM
with the 357 magnum. Too many to count over the past 45 years, with 180 gr bullets in my Ruger blackhawk and other Dan Wesson guns as well. I have also shot them with the 30-30 rifle too, even while on my mule in the Oak hammock area. My wife has killed quite a few with her Black powder 45 caliber revolver. Ranges vary between 25-45 yards, some longer. The 357 magnum will do fine.

jackslayer
May 1, 2010, 11:18 AM
Been to your town man. Shame what katrina did to it. Thanks for the input.

DammitBoy
May 1, 2010, 12:04 PM
Thanks jackslayer - we're 100% recovered from katrina. I just got back from New Orleans and it's a shame that so little recovery is evident there.

On topic - I do 100% of my hunting in Alabama, specifically Butler and Lavaca, Alabama.

The hawgs are thick in the river bottom in Lavaca, and my favorite thing to hunt for the last 18 years there.

jackslayer
May 1, 2010, 12:49 PM
I like the idea of getting a .357 rifle to match the handgun. Don't know beans about em though. Anyone with input on what my best bet would be? Just barely getting into reloading and so it would be great to focus all my efforts at one caliber. I figure I'd rather have the confidence that comes from knowing and trusting my reloads and knowing what they're capable of.

DammitBoy
May 1, 2010, 08:57 PM
I did that with my Ruger Alaskan revolver in .454 casull and my Puma legacy lever action in .454 casull (both in stainless).

So, not only did I get two guns that fire the same caliber - they also both shoot 45 colt as well.

I know Puma/Rossi still makes a .357 lever action that you could pair with any .357 revolver...

oldgoat46
May 1, 2010, 10:33 PM
Well here in Central Fl the hogs are small compared to the European wild boar imports in NC and Tenn but I like my Marlin lever action 44 mag with Buffalo Bore heavy ammo. I carry my Ruger 6" GP 100 357 as a back up. I have never had to use the 357 but I'm sure it would work just fine.

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