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15guns
May 1, 2010, 12:56 AM
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dirtyjim
May 1, 2010, 09:33 AM
here is one of my mosin project rifles.
i still need to cut the chamber, finish the stock, replace the bi-pod , add a scope & mounts.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20sporters/finnedbarrelmosinstock1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20sporters/finnedbarrelmosinstock.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20sporters/finnedbarrelmosinstock2.jpg

the barrel is from a madsen light machine gun. it will be chambered in the 7mmx54R wildcat. i'll use my 6.5 vostok reamer with a 7mm pilot to cut the chamber then finish it with a 7mm neck & throat reamer.
the stock started out as a m44 stock that was busted at the wrist. the rear section is made from two sections of 5/16" rod that extend about 3" into the wrist. the buttpad is mounted to a slotted plate to make it adjustable for height & it can be adjusted for length by adding shims. i still need to finish shaping the area above the pistol grip then start working on the fore end. the bi-pod thats on it is temporary. it will get a parker hale type that mounts to a spud that sticks straight out of the front of the stock. i'm also going to make a short fore arm that will mount to the spud when the bi-pod isn't attatched.
it will start out with rock solid scope mounts & a leupold MK4 3.5x10 but eventually i'mm make my own mounts and rings similar to what the finn's used on the TKIV-85 mosin sniper rifle but i'll use a standard 60° dovetail with a talley style recoil stop instead of the sako style tapered dovetail that was used on the TKIV-85. i also have a timney trigger for it.

Lorenzo Rojo
May 1, 2010, 10:04 AM
My M44 that I "scouterized."

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae135/CruzerX/Siberian%20Tiger/thebusinessend.jpg

After shooting the Siberian Tiger for three years, I modified her into a more traditional hunting rifle. I now call her Svetlana

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae135/CruzerX/Mosin%20Hunter%20Mods/RightSide.jpg

Here is a photo of the sighting in after I changed the scope on Svetlana to a 6x-40 fixed power scope.

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae135/CruzerX/Mosin%20Hunter%20Mods/GotMosin.jpg

All the mods were done by me. The bolts cycles beautifully. I love to tinker with my M44.

15guns
May 1, 2010, 01:39 PM
Wow some trick mosins you guys got. I'm jealous.

devildog32713
May 1, 2010, 07:04 PM
can't post pictures of mine cause I don't know how to post pictures, :P

Apple a Day
May 1, 2010, 08:26 PM
Dirtyjim,
If there was an award for the funkiest commie gun mod ever it would be sitting on your shelf right now. I like it!

I took mine (M-44) to the range today. I was having problems either shooting several inches too high or too low. :cuss:

Then I put the bayonet back on.

Wouldn't you know it suddenly went back to hitting exactly point of aim? :o
I've been cussing it up and down for acting so wierd and all along she was just feeling naked without her bayonet!

Every time I take her to the range at least one guy has to come up to me and make a comment about having to actuate the bolt with a 2x4. That's of course before I start shooting. After they see the fireballs they tend to walk aaaarrrrrrooooouuuuunnnnndddd my station.

Lorenzo Rojo
May 1, 2010, 09:11 PM
I worked on my bolt and it cycles like a dream now. I took it apart and polished all the bearing surfaces. I also polished the contact surfaces in the receiver. While the bolt was apart, I ground 3/16" off of the bolt spring. I used a grease with teflon inside of it to lube the whole thing up. I put the bolt back together and cleaned all the grease off the outside of the bolt and re-installed it. Nice and smooth.

15guns
May 1, 2010, 10:34 PM
Appe A day that's because most mosin nagants had the front site set with the bayonets on from factory. I bought some more ammo and targets for mine today. I hope to take it to the range soon and try to get the sights set on it. I have 60 rounds and 4 targets to work with.

15guns
June 26, 2010, 05:01 PM
If you want to see a picture of my rifle since it's been done look at photobucket.com under 4x4allstar

Oceans
June 26, 2010, 09:34 PM
That is really cool, that you Nagant guys got a club going here. Those rifles for various reasons seem to be very popular these days. The only one I ever had was a Finn 1891 rework on an old Imperial Tzarist receiver, the rifle was VKT 1942 rework D barrel. It had those "Arshin sights" It was accurate and did not kick much, but I never got used to the ergonomics of the thing, I bought it in a Woolworth's. I sold it to a chicken farmer, demonstrated its accuracy by shooting at distant hay bales on his farm(hope he cleaned that barrel), he was impressed and bought it on the spot, but now I kind of miss it. You all should get a Nagant sniper shoot going, two man teams and engage targets up to 1000 meters with them, just to show what they can do with the right set up, reloads, bedding and all. That would be fun. Put it on Youtube.

Col. Plink
June 26, 2010, 09:44 PM
I recall the first time I saw a Mosin Nagant, being held over the head of an angry representative of the Sand People after he ransacked my landspeeder...

Zack
June 27, 2010, 02:45 PM
Ill play. M91/30 and M44

They say pouchs match.. I do not see how.... The pouch is dated 1964 and the gun 1946 :scrutiny:
The m44 is a little off on shooting I need to adjust the sights.

15guns
June 28, 2010, 02:30 AM
Arrgg. Th gun smith reset my scope when it was set for 100 yards. I just went to the range on Sunday to see what I can do at 100 yards. Couldn't hit a thing thanks to that dumb gun smith bore sighting my scope. He must of bore sighted it for 25 yards or less. I also found out that after the 3rd round the magazine doesn't want to spring up the next round sometimes. Must be interuptor problems. Oh well I'm not dumping any more more into getting it fixed. And I'm not good enough to fix it myself. I still might get a bipod for it. I gotta do more testing to see if I need one. Looks like I should only have 3 rounds in the mag from now on since it won't load the 4th round all the time.

AH-1
June 28, 2010, 08:11 AM
here is a few of mine.
M28/30 sako sky
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/finns007.jpg

M27 tikka
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/finns009.jpg

M28 sig
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/finns011.jpg

M39 VKT
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/finns015.jpg

M39 B barrel
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/finns013.jpg

M39 sako 1970 sneak

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/1970sako001.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/finns017.jpg

polish M44
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/polish002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/polish001.jpg

M1952 hungarian (very rare) non import.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/2003_0502s0006.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/H02003.jpg

german proofed

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/H02006.jpg

russians

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/2008_0119russians0003-1.jpg

91/59
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/91-59II.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/mosins/91-59.jpg

15guns
June 28, 2010, 05:27 PM
I just bought more ammo, bore cleaner and a bipod for my rifle today. It's a caldwell 6-9 inch pivoting one. It's really nice. It was a breeze to install. I plan on getting a new magazine for my rifle sometime so it will feed right. That is if I can find a magazine for it. I still might buy a 10-40 x 50 mm scope for it to yet. We shall see. That would be the last thing I would buy for it. That high power scope.

15guns
July 1, 2010, 05:43 PM
123476

15guns
July 1, 2010, 05:50 PM
I just went to the range today. I couldn't even get the scope set for even 25 yards so I gotta buy a bore sighter and go sight it in at a 50 feet indoor range. I got it loading better by filing the stock down more but it still doesn't feed right. I gottas buy new parts for until and test it until I get it loading right. And if I ever think it's hard to load after I filed the stock I'll just have to do more filing. Let me know of what you think about my rifle since it's been done. Someone has commented about it the past 2 times I've been to the range. One guy said it's a sniper rifle and another guy said my gun is nice. Lol.

15guns
July 16, 2010, 07:02 AM
Those ATI stocks are crap. I still can't get the gun to load or feed right after tons of filing. I want to put a orignal stock back on it now. Those ati bent bolt kits are crap to. It jiggles like mad and then comes loose even if I loctite it. I need a full bent bolt body for it. I think my bsa scope can't handle the power of my rifle because it won't stay set at zero after I fire it after it's set right. Looks like I need a better brand scope to. Oh the head aces. : (

fireman 9731
July 16, 2010, 11:22 AM
And that is why most Mosins are best left in their original configuration.

KSCCHTrainer
July 16, 2010, 11:41 AM
Mine started life as a $99.95 Gander Mountain POS. I refinished the stock from peeling/flaking shellac to 6 coats of boiled linseed oil and some 1/3 mix (1/3 BLO, 1/3 turpentine and 1/3 beeswax) stock wax.

Put a www.advancedrifleparts.com no-gunsmithing scope mount and a BSA Contender 3.5-14 X 40 scope on it which, by the way, has held zero for over 500 rounds with no problems whatsoever.

I also recrowned the muzzle as it was somewhat oval shaped when I got it.

The rifle in this configuration has turned in many sub MOA groups and the best one was a 5 shot, .393" group @ 100 yards in a hunting rifle match.

I have roughly $300 in this rifle including the mount and optics and I don't think I'd take less than $900 for it now as it shoots so well.

15guns
July 16, 2010, 05:14 PM
My scope is just a 32 plus dollar 3-9x32 power 22 speical scope by BSA. I think it's not holding zero because it as made for 22s.

bodiebill
July 16, 2010, 05:22 PM
15-guns
Try bore sighting in the backyard before you go to the range.
You don't need a gunsmith, who probably uses the laser sighters in his small shop.
25 yard bore sighting is OK.
Then go to 50 yards then onto 100 yards for final adjustment.
Some good bore sighting articles on the Internet.

ifit
July 16, 2010, 09:45 PM
picked up my forst mossin m38 yesterday and oh boy what a beast of a rifle,
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/jazmiscpicshousegradu171.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/jazmiscpicshousegradu163.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/jazmiscpicshousegradu167.jpg

15guns
July 16, 2010, 09:53 PM
I used to have my scope set for 100 yards. Out of like 20 plus rounds I only made 2 bullseyes at 100 yards. The rest of the bullets went all over the target. Is it the gun or the scope? Lol. I had the gun on a bench and had a bag under it and was shooting for dead center every time. Now my scope needs to be reset.

15guns
July 16, 2010, 09:54 PM
If that gun is that piss poor of a shot at 100 yards I don't even want it anymore.

caribou
July 17, 2010, 12:17 AM
15 guns,
Shooting all over, but shot fine before sounds like a shifty rifle.... are your screws on tight?
Loose screws, Bad metal to wood contact or binding, maby the handguard jammed.
Have you changed ammo?
Is your mount/scope rings on tight?
Is the scope OK?
Did you take a "Fouling shot"? I do every time I hunt, so I shoot consitantly with following shots as well as check my function and sighting.

If it was good before, I bet you can get it back on target, just keep checking and trying.

The Finns brought out the M91 Mosin to its Zenith, with the M-39 variation in my opinion.
Regardless, a Mosin in its issue stock and accessories is hard to beat. I carry an M-39 in its Finn issued nearly Everwhere I go, and Ive delt with alotta those issues I mention.....

Good luck.

15guns
July 17, 2010, 03:50 AM
Either the gun over heated or the scope can't take the power. One of the 2. I'm ready to just give this gun away. I already bought a new cetme so I have a decent gun to goof with now. The only problem with my cetme so far is that it won't feed 20 rounds probably because the spring is to new in the mag. I got 17 rounds in it and it has a hard time feeding the 17th one but oh well. Anyone want a free mosin nagant that needs work? Lol.

caribou
July 17, 2010, 05:31 AM
Free rifle? Wow......I guess I would be stuck between the fact that only accurate rifles are worth keeping, and the fact that you cant have too many guns.........
.........but then again, you could make it a "Project gun" 'cause with that rear sightbase removed, you'll need to do a bit of work.

Why not buy an issue Stock, and a properly made bent bolt, or just an original bolt body. I bet you would enjoy that rifle then...too bad about that rear sight, but pinning and sweating can do it right.



Now to get that CETME up to 100%, get yourself many, many more magizines if you can and part out any that dont work properly.

Heres my favorite Mosin in hand picture.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/th_IMG_0137.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/?action=view&current=IMG_0137.jpg)
I have a few, but my lifestyle dosent have me enjoying them as I should in my old, house ridden age~~LOL!!!~~

15guns
July 17, 2010, 06:46 AM
Naw Caribou it's g3 mag time for that gun. Plus a good cleaning should do the job. : ) I got 17 rounds in that mag now. The good one from century arms. It won't feed right with more than 17 right now. It's hard to get it to feed with the 17th round as it is now. I just want to take it out and test fire it sometime once. It's to long of a drive to the range for me and ammo and cleaning stuff costs to much for it. I just bought it because I've been wanting a semi auto 308 with a high cap 20 round mag for a while after seeing what I could do with them on a video game online. Lol. I love having that much firepower. : )

alemonkey
July 17, 2010, 10:50 AM
M39, one of my favorite rifles:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg215/bkoenig1975/m39.jpg

And a project rifle I've been slowly putting together. Heavy barreled Mosin target rifle....Don't ever buy a Mosin stock from Richards Microfit. It looked really nice, but it's not even close to fitting the action, and the inletting was crooked. I was impressed when I got it but after starting to work with it I'm not happy with it. For starters the stock is just too thick for the action - I had to cut it down a bunch to let the magazine & trigger guard match up to the receiver. Should be cool when I finally get it done, though. It's just mocked up here:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg215/bkoenig1975/mosintarget.jpg

15guns
July 17, 2010, 12:09 PM
Cool stock. A Heavy Barrel? Where did you get that barrel from?

alemonkey
July 17, 2010, 01:55 PM
It's Lothar Walther. I know it's crazy to put a LW barrel on a Mosin, but I'm doing it because I can :D

ifit
July 17, 2010, 07:16 PM
alemonkey thats a sweet lookin accurized mossin:cool: how does she shoot?

got to shoot my mossin for the first time some range results
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/513.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/535.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/906.jpg

alemonkey
July 17, 2010, 08:44 PM
It's not done yet...hopefully I'll get it finished yet this summer. I started it about a year ago and kind of got stalled.

dirtyjim
July 17, 2010, 09:51 PM
a couple more of my mosin projects that i need to get back to work on.

a remington 1891 chambered in .220swift AI. the barrel is from a remington 722 that was originally in .222. i rethreaded and rechambered it. reworked the bolt face,extractor and the ejector/interuptor.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20sporters/220swiftmosin4.jpg

heavy barrel project rifle. barrel is from a czech uk-59 heavy machine gun in 7.62x54r.
timney trigger, bolt handle moved to the rear and the gap in the rear bridge closed.
i still need to put a scope and mounts on it and decide on a stock.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20sporters/heavybarrelmosin3.jpg

another heavy barrel project rifle with a russian maxim machine gun barrel in 7.62x54r. i'm considering a winchester marksman style stock and redfield olympic sights for this one.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20sporters/maximbarreledmosin.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20sporters/maximbarreledmosin1.jpg

i'm also planning a 9.5x54r DG rifle, 22-250 and .308 mosin projects. i have the .22-250 barrel, i just need to rethread it and i have a heavy .308 barrel from a remington 700 coming that i'm going to rethread and i still need to order the .375 barrel for the 9.5x54r project.

15guns
July 17, 2010, 09:58 PM
ifit I can do better than that at 50 yards with my mosin when the scope is set. I was shooting at a body target though. First shot was a bullseye. Second shot was in between the orange and the white. I was shooting from a bench with a shooting bag. It was when I had my scope on the scout scope mount I used to have. And at 25 yards I got 1 bullseye and the second shot was in the orange. I think the factory iron sights suck on mosins. Did you put that monte carlo stock on it or buy it with it already installed? Those stocks are way to much of a pain to file down to get them to fit right.

ifit
July 17, 2010, 11:48 PM
15guns, friend i purchased it from had a scope and mount on it, did not want it, gets loose all the time. usually any rifle with a scope will shoot allot better. i wanted the irons back on, i find it more rewarding to see what i can do with irons. dont know but my trigger is really heavy. bought the rifle as is. as for the stock, i thought its original, i swear i saw some arsenal markings on it somewhere.

Renegadewolf
July 17, 2010, 11:50 PM
This is my 1929 Tula M91/30 Hex receiver. I would like to refinish but its still really cool to me. If anybody could message me and tell me how to make these small pictures bigger? I cant figure out how to find the URL of the pic either. But anyway her it is.

caribou
July 18, 2010, 12:08 AM
Renagadewolf, your pictures are plenty big enough, just click on 'em when you want them bigger :D

I like the Finn M-28/30 and M-39 sights best on Mosin.

Cool Dirtyjim, you actually hve the only "Swamped" barrel'd Mosin in existance!
I have lotsa Mosin "Junk", though I preferr "as issued" rifles, I do like reviving the butcher'd and the bubba'd.

Most of my great Mosin pix are in the Hunting section........

15guns
July 18, 2010, 04:32 AM
ifit my gun couldn't even shoot a bullseye at 25 yards with the iron sights on it and I had the bayonet on it as well and I had it on a bench with a bag in the front of it. That's very sad for a rifle with that long of a barrel on it. I knew it had to be the sights. Sorry ifit it was dirtyjims stock I was talking about. It looked like his posting was yours. Sorry.

docnyt
July 18, 2010, 07:16 AM
Found this on gunboards. Hilarious!

So you think you want to be a Mosin collector. That’s good, really. They are cheap, historic, and fun. But before you buy your first one, permit me to offer you the following advice.

1. Mosins are addictive. By comparison, a crack habit is like wanting a salty snack before dinner.
2. Every snow flake is unique. There are uncountable grains of sand on the beach. Mosins are sandy snow flakes. You’ll never get all the ones you want.
3. If we discussed Mosins in person, we would probably run each other through with our cheap, pointy bayonets over such pressing issues of the meaning of “MO” on a barrel shank.
4. Mosin collectors are one big, happy family….just like the Mansons.
5. Turn all of your finances over to a trustee. It’s the only way you’ll stand a chance of not stocking up on ammo.
6. Your wife will never, ever care about Mosin oil cans.
7. You will end up with more gun sleeves than underwear.
8. You will plan your errands around gun stores and pawn shops.
9. You will find the smell of cosmoline to be an aphrodisiac.
10. You will sneak guns into your house….and feel okay about it.

In a word, you are doomed.
Posted by AbueloMark

SleazyRider
July 18, 2010, 08:25 AM
I'm new to the MN world, recently purchasing a very nice 1928 hex MN, and have 2 questions:

1. The bolt works beautifully when the gun is not loaded. Should it be significantly tighter when it comes to chambering a round? It seems a bit stiff to close and open the bolt, at least in comparison to my modern bolt guns. One can definitely not maintain a cheek weld while chambering/rechambering a round. The chamber appears clean.

2. The arsenal shellac finish is a bit sticky on a hot day, especially with sweaty hands. Is there a "quick fix" for hardening up the shellac finish without refinishing the stock?

(Bonus question)

3. The safety is incredibly difficult to operate. My hands are not weak, but it seems that the spring tension to pull out the safety is inordinately heavy. Can I cut down or replace the spring to make this a bit more user friendly?

Hey, thanks guys!

Renegadewolf
July 18, 2010, 09:15 AM
The bolt is a bit stiff opening and closing but thats normal for MN it will loosen a little bit (not much) as you use it. The safety has a really tight spring and its just a matter of strength. Apperently the Soviet soldeirs were a bit stronger than previously thought!:D or they just didnt use their safety! lol

Handgunner
July 18, 2010, 01:40 PM
Here's my 1942 M38 and 1946 M44. Both are Izhevsk.

15guns
July 18, 2010, 02:11 PM
I don't own a mosin anymore so I'm not in the club anymore. I gave mine away to my local range master.

Quickdraw McGraw
July 18, 2010, 06:43 PM
I have mostly US WWII guns M1, M1 carbine and M1903A3 BUT I did pick acquire this fire breathin dragon a few months ago and I absolutley luv shootin it! Its a 1946 Izzy. She's dead on at 100 yds with the bayonet extend. Shoots about 12" dead left with it retracted.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/Metzy84/M-44/102_2530.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/Metzy84/M-44/102_2526.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/Metzy84/M-44/102_2525.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/Metzy84/M-44/102_2524.jpg

caribou
July 19, 2010, 03:37 AM
First off a lesson on Mosin safety;

To apply or remove the safty you simply shoulder the rifle as if to shoot, then lower the butt to the crook of your arm, the inner elbow area, while holding the forarm with your left hand, release your grip from the stock with your right hand, maintaining the butt in the crook of the arm, grasp the cocking knob with your right hand and pull.
You will see a difference. K?
Easier and faster than sitting through this read :D

Sleazy, I'll bet $$ theres cosmo in your chamber, especcially if its elsewhere. It can actually be nice and shiney after many a firing, but since you must keep your chamber very clean on any rifle, I would get a 20 gauge shotgun bore brush and a git of good ol' gasooline and have a good scrubbing. A clean chamber keeps away "Stick Mosin Bolt Syndrome", and if you feel it getting stiff, clean the chamber.
I use Czeck ammo that is laquer'd and after 3-400 shots, I gotta scrub it up. Same gos if I take one shot with corrosive ammo and dont clean it for a few days~~LOL!!~~

Its easy to keep it clean after your first scrubdown, I use boiling hot water with some dishsoap to flush out the corrosive salts and the heat of the water on all the metal makes it very quick drying with no rust. A rinse with more boiling water, acouple patches and some oil and its good to go.The wood stays fine as well.
Cheaper than buying solvents, and always on hand.

If you like a nice collectable that you dont want to shoot much, then you gotta handle the rifle real nice like...but if you wanna shoot, hunt, carry around because you can, then that shellac is gonna come off.
It is there for the same reason as the Cosmoline, 'cept to protect the wood in storage untill WWIII, when the Cosmo is wiped away and the varnish is worn to be replaced with what ever oils were to be issued, in post nuclear damnation~~LOL!!~~

SleazyRider
July 19, 2010, 04:26 AM
That sounds like some straight shootin' advice, Caribou, and I thank you for your post. And to you Renagadewolf.

I think I'll strip that nasty orange shellac and give the wood a coat or two of automotive polyurethane (clear coat) after an appropriate sealer. Maybe steel wool it down a bit to avoid a hard shine.

caribou
July 19, 2010, 05:41 AM
Im glad to help.

I do have to throw out an opinion, regarding refinishing a great rifle

Better and more proper than a poly coat, is to Use a nice Tung or Boiled Linseed Oil brushed on a few times and dryed, after removeing the laquer. Remove the stock and oil the inside as well. This treatmet over the length of a couple days time will give you an ever lasting stock with a better grip 'feel' than a poly, which is irreversable after it sets. The oil will strengthen the wood, and not reduce the value of your rifle.
That is the proper treatment in any army up North.
I think the Finns used Pine Tar to darken their oil, Im not sure.
Alotta poly'd stocks crack from dryness and use, as well they have a 'slick' hold, something I dont care for in a rifle.

Either way , enjoy that Mosin!!

kBob
July 19, 2010, 08:20 AM
I have never understood difficulty in getting on the paper with a scope. One does not need a bore sighter. Drop the bolt out of the gun. Drop the gun onto a couple of sand bags or some holder or another. Choose a target as far away as posible. 600 yards is great, but I have used small objects at 200 yards such as the top of a fence post. Move the rifle and bags until you have centered the "target" in the bore of the rifle as you look through from the reciever end. Without moving the rifle adjust the scope to the same point of aim. Check both the bore and scope to ensure both are centered on the same target.

This should get you on a piece of 8 1/2 X11 inch paper at 100 yards/meters and from there you just make your fine scope adjustments

This is the orign of the term "Bore sighting" and does not involve a laser, magnets, or arbors.....

It is simple, cheap and works.

oh and I have a stock M 1944 I shoot when feeling a bit masocistic. I would love for someone to make a shell shrinker to shoot 7.62P in the 7.62x54 Mosins. Been considering one in 7.62P for .308 Win I think SPortsmans Guide had.

-kBob

Renegadewolf
July 19, 2010, 08:57 AM
Any time Rider! =)

Opoche
July 19, 2010, 01:37 PM
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk235/Akulacola/parallaxbill/m38.jpg

1943 M38. Not counter bored. All matching. I've been using it as a beater brush gun. Works brilliantly.

Renegadewolf
July 19, 2010, 10:39 PM
I have a question, my Nagant's magazine floor plate rattles. How do i fix this?!?!?! Its just kind of annoying after a while...

Clark
July 20, 2010, 02:08 PM
Here are some of my 91/30 pics

Clark
July 20, 2010, 02:09 PM
More of my pics

Clark
July 20, 2010, 02:14 PM
Still MORE of my pics.

What does it all mean?
I have been rebarreling, converting to 45/70 and 30-30, re stocking, TIG welding bolt handles, TIG welding scope mounts, making scope mounts from Aluminum and drilling and tapping for them, glass bedding, pillar bedding, and messing with the trigger.

I like the receivers before 1942 that have inner C rings.

caribou
July 21, 2010, 12:36 AM
Cool.
on #55 is that a sliding weight for accurizing, part of the original OD of the blank or what??
Looks like fun!

fireman 9731
July 21, 2010, 01:25 AM
my Nagant's magazine floor plate rattles. How do i fix this?!?!?!

Load it with ammo and it will probably stop.

alemonkey
July 21, 2010, 08:01 AM
That's awesome, I've always thought a Mosin in 45-70 would be cool. Keep us updated on how it works.

PAPACHUCK
July 21, 2010, 08:08 AM
Here's my two shoulder busters;

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/PAPACHUCK/IMG_0823.jpg

I think I like looking at these two more than shooting them!

Hillbillyz
July 21, 2010, 10:18 AM
Highly cool Clark. That's the kind of stuff I would like to do, if I had a few more tools, and any idea of what I was doing.

Renegadewolf
July 21, 2010, 10:44 AM
your probably right ive never noticed it when it was loaded. Wow i feel dumb...! lol

irishelcid
July 21, 2010, 12:20 PM
I picked this girl up yesterday, its my first one. It's the Chinese T53 variant. Someone sporterized it and removed the bayonet. I wish someone sold the ammo locally, I'm really itching to shoot her. I'm going to turn her into a scout rifle.
http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=728&pictureid=4206

ONLY
July 21, 2010, 05:30 PM
Got a quick question for you guys. I had a nagant years ago and it got stolen before I could shot it. But getting to my point what kind of accuracy can I expect from one? How much can one be had for? (Pawn shops eastern NC) and what can I do to increase accuracy cheaply? It will be my deer rifle. Thanks guys.

usnmars
July 21, 2010, 06:44 PM
new member here, first post actually. I am a mosin addict and need a support group.

Here is my first attempt at building a sporter using a psl stock and a uk59 machine gun barrel.
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/nattcmars/Mosin%20project/DSC00304.jpg
and a target from 200 yds, 5 shots 1987 Russian LB
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/nattcmars/Mosin%20project/newtargets.jpg
and my baby, a 1943 Tikka round receiver 91/30
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/nattcmars/tikka/whole.jpg

Ignition Override
July 21, 2010, 07:32 PM
Mr. L. Rojo:

You invented the Mosin Nagant (like the Enfield #5) "Jungle Carbine".

dgray64
July 21, 2010, 08:40 PM
Lorenzo Rojo, How did you get the stock to drop so much as the heel on your M44? I have an M44 and two 91/30s. Love them all, but the stocks are typically straight so that they sit high in your shoulder pocket. Your M44 looks like the stock drops down to allow you to raise your head for sighting. It really looks interesting!

Dave :neener:

Renegadewolf
July 21, 2010, 11:32 PM
im thinking of a nice stock for my 91/30 hex reciever, but reasonably cheap, recommendations and price please.

Clark
July 22, 2010, 12:26 AM
http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=nagant&Search.x=0&Search.y=0

Renegadewolf
July 22, 2010, 12:18 PM
mmm i like that nutmeg, looks real nice.

tinygnat219
November 15, 2010, 09:35 AM
My Mosin Scout Rifle:
It's a Chinese T-53 M-44 copy made in 1955 or something like that. It shoots ok for something with a barrel as shot out as this one is.

http://www.outdoors.net/I34602.jpg

Another:

http://www.outdoors.net/I34603.jpg

Another:

http://www.outdoors.net/I34604.jpg

new ak47 2010
November 15, 2010, 02:48 PM
my 1944 m-44!:Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/lauraclark/100_3065.jpg

Cosmoline
November 15, 2010, 02:55 PM
Nice laminate there!

I've been having some fun with the M39 now that the snow is on the ground

Some off the bench (fast cycling)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwdxIHLldlA

Some kneeling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwdxIHLldlA

YankeeRiverCustom
November 16, 2010, 02:49 PM
here is my 91/30 built in 1942...cant get the pic to load so here the only link i can use http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=15318&l=d8c5a5a922&id=100001742080599

let me know what ya think..i just got it finished up

Spec ops Grunt
November 16, 2010, 03:02 PM
Gonna try to buy one from Classicarms.us with my next paycheck. Want a Tula Hex.


Just gotta explain to my parents.

Or just show up with it one day.

SleazyRider
November 16, 2010, 03:04 PM
Tell me more, YankeeRiverCustom, about the scope mount, the bipod, and the finish---is it shellac?

YankeeRiverCustom
November 16, 2010, 03:17 PM
the bipod is a harris..i drilled and put the stud in myself..the bolt handle and scope mount are ATI i believe...the finish is all original it came finished that way im not sure if its shellac..but i gotta say for 85 dollars i got a nice finish on it;) optics are bushnell 4-12x

MN9159
November 16, 2010, 04:38 PM
I'll play... excuse the non-MN's on the rack, lol

From the top
'77 Norinco SKS
'43 Isky 91/59
'44 Isky M44
'42 Isky 91/30
'97 Tula M91 Finnish Capture
'44 K31

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r127/Dusty87/Picture328.jpg

I think I have issues :uhoh:

thisisoriginal
November 16, 2010, 04:50 PM
Nowwww, do they all shoot good?

MN9159
November 16, 2010, 04:54 PM
I'll let ya know next spring when its nice enough to shoot em... I have only taken the SKS and M44 out target shooting, those two are shooters, the weather has been pretty ugly since I have gotten the others so I havent taken em out.

thisisoriginal
November 16, 2010, 05:13 PM
Awesome. Most Ive shot have been dead on its rediculous.

YankeeRiverCustom
November 16, 2010, 07:40 PM
you guys should check out my picture of my 91/30 sniper mod. on page 3 of this thread..follow the link....ITS DEAD ACCURATE...ive got mine zeroed at 100yds,as THISISORIGINAL stated most ARE RIDICUOSLY ACCURATE!!!!

thisisoriginal
November 16, 2010, 08:29 PM
looks really good!

YankeeRiverCustom
November 17, 2010, 12:22 AM
thanks i appreciate that alot!

thisisoriginal
November 17, 2010, 10:35 AM
This is awesome. Ive picked up two mosins and one mauser off a guy who lives literally 3 streets over from me. He is interested in shotguns-I had a few, and Im interested in milsurps and he is constantly picking them up.


Right now I have two mosins,1936 tula hex receiver, and a 1931 Izhevsk hex receiver, and a Czech vz-24 romanian contract mauser. The tula is my brothers, hes recently got into shooting milsurps with me. Our next pickup is going to be an m1 Garand.

vblex
November 18, 2010, 03:16 PM
I have a M91 that is stamped "Remington Armory" on it. My uncle picked it up in Korea, hasn't been fired since at least the mid-1950s.

Spec ops Grunt
November 18, 2010, 03:29 PM
Remington Mosin's are valuable collectors pieces I believe.

vblex
November 18, 2010, 04:17 PM
They are a curiosity, but not really valuable. Remington built 750,000 of them under a contract for Imperial Russia. About 450,000 of them made it to Russia before the Tzar abdicated and Remington was knocking out about 4000 per day until the Bolsheviks took over.

They were so plentiful that US, British & French troops actually used some of the extras when they went over to Murmansk, Archangel and Vladivostok during the Russian civil war.

Apparently others were given to the NRA and they sold them brand new for $3.90 + $1.58 postage.

My theory is that the Soviet Union supplied them to the North Koreans which is where my uncle picked this one up.

thisisoriginal
November 18, 2010, 05:04 PM
sounds awesome. Good shooter?

Cosmoline
November 18, 2010, 06:27 PM
They are a curiosity, but not really valuable

It depends what you mean by valuable. Intact, they go for over $300 pretty routinely. They WERE plentiful. Now, most have been hacked up, so the ones that are intact have a premium.

One that has an established provenance as a Korean pickup would be much more valuable than that. You've got a rifle that was made in the US, sold to the Czar, adopted by the USSR, sold to the North Koreans and was taken from the field by an American soldier! The rifle literally circumnavigated the world and bounced around two world wars plus the Korean War. I would encourage you to treasure it and also to get the full story of how and when it was found in writing to keep along with the rifle for future generations.

dougw47
November 18, 2010, 06:37 PM
To me...and maybe 50 guys I know...the fact it came from Korea would almost double the value.

Just my little ol' pea-picking opinion...like my Chinese M-43...LOL!

thisisoriginal
November 18, 2010, 09:09 PM
Kind of crazy how mosins up here in northeast ohio are going for 200$ all day. Theyre just 91/30s too.

cleardiddion
November 18, 2010, 09:50 PM
The days of picking them out of the crate at the local shop for 70 bucks a pop are gone.
Sad to say.

vblex
November 19, 2010, 08:51 AM
You know, I wish I could get the details from my uncle about how/when/where he got it, but sadly he is well into his 80s and suffering from dementia. I should have paid attention when I was younger (and when he was) but I did not.

I've never shot it, but a local gun smith told me that it had definitely been fired a lot and well cared for. He suggested that I remove the wood and expose the barrel so that he could inspect it. He will check it out and let me know if it is safe to fire.

I am a bit nervous firing a 93 year-old rifle....

thisisoriginal
November 19, 2010, 08:55 AM
The nervousness is something that comes with shooting a new gun. I was extremely nervous shooting my mosin, till I got the first shot off of course :D

geo57
November 19, 2010, 11:06 AM
I took the whitetail on the left with my '43 Tula 91/30 this fall ( S&B 180 gr. SP) and a buck last year with my '44 Izhevsk M44 ( Privi 150 gr. SP ). Both one shot drops from 20 yrds and 110 yard respectively. I have a M38 on the way that I hope to also hunt with one day. Mosins are an unbeatable value in the milsurp world and a hoot to shoot & hunt with. I'd love to hear from you other hunters who use your Mosins to take big game & see your game pics here or pm them to me. pounder57@gtmc.net

Cosmoline
November 19, 2010, 12:20 PM
I am a bit nervous firing a 93 year-old rifle

My M39 has a receiver from 1896, and I've used the antique ones a lot in the past. As long as nobody has hacked it up and the headspace is OK you'll be fine. A smith with a 54R gauge can check the headspace very easily.

Post detailed pics if you get a chance. I'd be interested to see the proofs. Very little is known about North Korean Mosin-Nagants.

hartmen
November 20, 2010, 09:35 PM
love this thread. i went out looking for one yesterday in my area and could find one cheaper than $125. im in kentucky. bought some ammo and final cost is $150. this will be my second nagant 91/30. im keeping one as original. this one is going to be highly modified. will try and post pics of what ive done so far.

ive removed the front sight and cut the original stock down. i have plans on making a new stock from scratch. ive got a 3x9x40 scope on its way with sidemount. ive also ordered a muzzle, forarm quad rail.

the stock i cut down today will be the temp until the new is done. ive shot it already and seems like its a great shooter.

one question. both rifles i own were like identical except for one thing. my original one has brass rings and the modified one has black. does this mean one is worth more than another?

Spec ops Grunt
November 22, 2010, 06:53 PM
Should I get a Izzy M38 at a local gunshop for my first mosin, or should I order a 91/30?

MN9159
November 22, 2010, 07:09 PM
Should I get a Izzy M38 at a local gunshop for my first mosin, or should I order a 91/30?

whats that "or" doing there? That should be an "and". hehe

Spec ops Grunt
November 22, 2010, 11:44 PM
Eventually.....

That carbine is nice, but Idk if I want a carbine or a full size for my first mosin.

How much will M38s go up?

geo57
November 23, 2010, 07:47 AM
Spec, I started with the M44, then got a 91/30, and just yesterday, aquired an M38. I loved the 1st two and I'm confident that I will this M38 as well, once de-cosmolined, cleaned up & tested. When I got my M44 3 years ago, I gave $100 for it at a show. M38's were $10 higher. I gave $165 shipped for my M38 this week off a milsurp site, which is an averageish price for them there, but a very low price from Gunbroker or Auctionarms these days. I knew I had not gotten one when I should have, but also knew if I was going to "jump, to jump now " on one. They'll do nothing but get higher. I agee that you should also get a 91/30, but prices on them have not risen a great deal yet from when I started my Mosin interest. Good luck !

thisisoriginal
November 23, 2010, 08:44 AM
full size is nice, because its got a nice feel to it, but a carbine is nice also.


I have two 91/30s, one just got chopped up and is undergoing a stock change and paint, the other is too beautiful to touch.

I went shooting Sunday with both of them, I got so sick of the cosmoline I thought I washed off melting and sticking to everything. I came home, stripped it again and washed it, only to relive the wood that goes around the barrel was literally rotting away. So I cut it off, decided to try and make a "customized" mosin out of it. Especially since its still a great shooter.

Spec ops Grunt
November 24, 2010, 10:38 PM
Got the M38. Was preowned, no cosmoline, beautiful crown and shiny bore. Round receiver Izhvek, 1944, with original M38 stock.


Price, $149.95.

Pics coming soon.

thisisoriginal
November 25, 2010, 12:44 AM
"no cosmoline"......hehe I've said that a few times too!

HGM22
November 25, 2010, 04:31 AM
Not sure if this is the right place, but can anyone tell me the approximate value of a Romanian M44?

Spec ops Grunt
November 27, 2010, 01:32 AM
M38 I got the other day:


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PRM
November 27, 2010, 07:50 AM
I will post some pics later ~ My Mosin story. A guy came through on of our firearms schools about 7-8 years ago and while we were talking, he said he had bought 5 old military rifles in unissued condition (bulk buy???) and if I wanted one, he would let me have it at his cost ($60). I said sure, sight unseen, at that price. He brought me a like new 1944 carbine. Wow!!! Took it apart and cleaned the packing grease off of it that was most likely post WWII vintage. Next, I refinished the stock ~ stripped it, gave it a good cleaning and then multiple coats of Tru-Oil. It turned out to be one of the best shooting and beautiful rifles that I own and definitely at the lowest price.

hartmen
November 28, 2010, 08:34 AM
here is the start of my mosin custom stock. i believe the wood is cherry. unsure really. i just know its a hardwood. the scope came in the other day and i placed it ontop of the wood as a prop. here is the specs on the scope from the site i bought it from

BSA S412X40WR RIFLE SCOPE-

-4-12 X 40MM

FOV 25-10.5' AT 100 YARDS

PARALLAX SETTING 100 YARDS

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee89/jhhstunanumber1/DSCN3963.jpg

hartmen
November 28, 2010, 04:00 PM
well after about half days work here is what ive got now. not much more til stock is ready for paint or stain.

the only issue i had was after i placed the action in the stock the bolt was aweful stiff. i sprayed a little hoppey oil on it and it works better. any way to make the bolt action float like butter on these? my other one with stock stock is stiff also. so i know it cant be the custom stock i made.

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/shtterbug08/DSCN3965.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/shtterbug08/DSCN3964.jpg

12guagecody
November 28, 2010, 04:54 PM
hartmen keep us updated on that build its looking sweet!

thisisoriginal
November 28, 2010, 05:50 PM
Looking good! I need to post a picture of mine.

thisisoriginal
November 28, 2010, 05:54 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs574.ash2/149624_1606423693344_1618713559_1443160_3182818_n.jpg



Just finishing my mosin. The front part of the stock covering the barrel was rotting, and the half that I painted was all knicked up, but the mosin was a fantastic shooter, so I decided to make it "my own". I love the look of stock mosins, but this one deserved a make over :)

hartmen
November 28, 2010, 07:40 PM
anyone know how to adjust the trigger pull? i would like to get this thing down to a hair trigger.... i probably wont get to work on it again til saturday, im working 12hr days 5 days a week and saturday is a half day. so,,,,doesnt leave much time.

plans are to extend the bolt lever also to make it easier to open and close the action. kinda similar to the sniper bolt actions you see on ebay but my is going to be homebrew. some round rod stock, cut off wheels, and welder.

SleazyRider
November 28, 2010, 08:32 PM
I like your design, hartmen, but I'm a bit concerned about the sheer line of the wood immediately behind the trigger guard. It seems like the application of a linear force, such as recoil, would create a torsional force in this area, and put the grain of the wood under extension. In other words, if the stock were homogenous, such as a synthetic stock, you'd be okay; but wood has an inherent weakness when an extension force is applied perpendicular to the grain. (If I am unclear, the fault is my own for being unable to articulate this concept, so I apologize in advance.) May I suggest, in the interest of safety, trying out a scaled-down version of your design on a small scrap of pine or balsa before proceeding?

In any event, nice job! Please keep us posted!

hartmen
November 28, 2010, 09:05 PM
since you mentioned it that is alot of torsional force going on! lol. ive already fired one round thru the gun at this stage of the build just for the hell of i to see how everything felt to me.

if it breaks i will simply just improve on the next one! always wear the eye and ear protection people! never know what may happen. may get a splinter! :what:

o.... the wood is walnut...i posted i thought it was cherry in previous post but i have learnt since then it is walnut.

thisisoriginal
November 28, 2010, 09:59 PM
Nice, Im definitely digging the design. Custom build mosins are sweet, very interesting

hartmen
December 3, 2010, 08:37 PM
did some more work on the MN. rear sight now removed. bolt action modified hopefully with enough room for scope. freakin scope base is taking forever to get here via mail. did a little more to the stock. me and wood just dont get along. i like working with metal more. :D

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/shtterbug08/DSCN3985.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/shtterbug08/DSCN3984.jpg

thisisoriginal
December 4, 2010, 11:08 AM
tell us how it shoots :p

tyeo098
December 4, 2010, 01:01 PM
You better blue up those shiny parts or your spiffy rifle will get rusty!

thisisoriginal
December 4, 2010, 05:13 PM
even with some bluing they'll get rusty! haha.

hartmen
December 5, 2010, 12:37 PM
more updates! muzzle installed. what a b#$^@^ i had to tread the barrel and the first time around the muzzle was crooked. second time i got it dead nuts striaght.

worked on the stock some more. shaping up nicely i think :D

sidemount still hasnt come in the mail :(

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/shtterbug08/DSCN3987.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/shtterbug08/DSCN3986.jpg

CaptainHook
December 6, 2010, 10:05 AM
Nice progress . . . looks like Nagant is what's for dinner. :p

tyeo098
December 6, 2010, 04:05 PM
Looking pretty spiffy!

How did you do the bolt like that?

hartmen
December 6, 2010, 06:57 PM
first i completely disassembled the bolt action and removed the internal spring. i thing proceded with a cut off wheel and cut off the original bolt. i then used a piece of round rod and welded it in the original location. once everything was the way i wanted i welded the ball from the original bolt back on.

once i get the sidemount and scope on i might make further adjustments to the bolt to make it better. wont know until then.

tyeo098
December 7, 2010, 12:03 AM
So you're not going to drill & tap a rail in place?

From the looks of it you might run into trouble with the bolt handle, it should be muuuuch flatter in that first 'knuckle' otherwise its going to knock the bottom of your scope. If i were you, id cut off that first 1/2 inch or so from the shaft, and weld that on there, so its more flush. You'd have to cut a notch in your stock to accommodate that though.

But that's just me being paranoid about clearance.

hartmen
December 7, 2010, 04:51 AM
i will take more pictures for you. i have notched the stock for the handle. i dont think i could prossibly get the bolt any closer.

no im not tapping a rail on top. ive seen them and do not like the looks of them on the nagants so im going to try the sidemount inside. i have not seen anyone do a sidemount yet so figured i would try. im not going to mount to the barrel but to the stock. it will probably be for my best interest to mount it to the side of the barrel so nothng moves but i think it will be fine.

tyeo098
December 7, 2010, 02:09 PM
I HIGHLY suggest tapping it into the barrel. Like, I can guarantee it will not hold a zero if you tap it just into the stock. It may feel secure, but wood swells and contracts with humidity, even that could throw off your accuracy.
As for the bolt handle, I think you can cut off the first like 3/8ths of an inch or so from the first joint, im just worried about clearance for your scope.

hartmen
December 7, 2010, 06:50 PM
well i been thinking about the mount and i think i could possibly mount thru the stock into the barrel. this way its just another screw holding the stock in place. gun still in early stages. i can still do whatever i want. lol

tyeo098
December 7, 2010, 07:11 PM
Sorry, I know this is your project and all, I just seen you put alot of work into to for you to go and duct tape the scope on :D

hartmen
December 8, 2010, 04:51 AM
no offense taken. i want advice! this is my first one ive ever modified like this. a friend told me i made a mistake yesterday. i told him about the muzzle brake i installed. he asked if i fixed the end of the barrel with a new crown. "rounded the end" so that the bullet stays on a striaght path. so i gotta go back and fix that. im going to try and get this baby to hit as many yards as possib;le.

tyeo098
December 9, 2010, 04:16 PM
You'll have no problem doing that with x54R!

Accurately is the key though ;)

hartmen
December 10, 2010, 07:04 PM
finally. finally... i have gotten the scope mounted. the one i bought failed. epic fail. i got the wronge size for the scope i had.


so i made one out of s.s. 12gauge. let me know what you think.

i would have shot it tonight but its dark now.

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/shtterbug08/DSCN3995.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/shtterbug08/DSCN3993.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/shtterbug08/DSCN3992.jpg

dirtyjim
December 10, 2010, 09:29 PM
here are a couple more pics of my finned barrel mosin project. i still need to finish the stock & cut the chamber.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20sporters/finnedbarrelmosin2.jpg

hartmen
December 10, 2010, 09:45 PM
what did you do? looks like stock has been cut down and a pistol grip from a shotgun installed?

mickeygrimreaperblueeyes
December 10, 2010, 09:47 PM
I had a method to my madness, one each of the model year, with my birthyear in the serial #. I liked the ones with the cycle and hammer logo, but the other ones shoot too. I picked up four of the them for 40 each at Knob Creek in 2004, and it started the addiction. But, I like good old rifles...

tyeo098
December 10, 2010, 10:50 PM
Hartmen, is that... stable?

It looks like from my perspective, that it a poked it, it would bounce.
It looks a lot less 'beefy' than the one on dirtyjims supermosin 8000

BubbaRay
December 11, 2010, 12:07 AM
Has anyone seen the $92.00 Mosins from Bud? I bought one Monday, haven't received it yet.

hartmen
December 11, 2010, 07:45 AM
yes its very stable but i do plan on taping a few more screws into the barrel to be on the safe side. i would hate the fact if the thing does not stay on zero. the stainless steel plate i used is 12gauge. you can not bend this stuff with your hands without somekind of levelage from a tool. my work bent the piece in a press for me. i just put the two screws and took a picture because i was so excited.

im also thinking in the back of my head......maybe a cheek rest? i know its a afterthought now after ive gotten the stock prett ymuch done but i dunno. i think something could be done. any ideas?



once i get back from the louisville show today i plan on giving it a couple test rounds. im hoping i can find a bore sighter at the show to save on ammo.

dirtyjim
December 11, 2010, 01:51 PM
what did you do? looks like stock has been cut down and a pistol grip from a shotgun installed?
the original stock was cracked at the wrist so i just chopped it off. the rear section is made from 5/16" rod that goes about 2" into the wrist area of the stock. the pistol grip is from an ar-15 & the cheek rest is sheetmetal.
the entire rear section of the buttsock is going to be reworked & the wrist area & pistol grip is going to be reshaped before i call it done. its also going to get a detatchable fore end that mounts to the parker hale bi-pod spud.
i'm going to make another stock similar to the wind runner for my q/c barrel mosin project.

this one showed up at my doorstep on tuesday. matching, very good condition 1928 hex receiver 91/30 with all the accessories from southern ohio gun.
looking at the bore and chamber the gun looks almost unfired.
the only bad thing is i ordered it as a donor for a 22-250 project but it's way to nice to whack it in the head and gut it out so i'll have to order another one and hope its not quite as nice
if i have time i'll take it to the range tomorrow.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20nagants/1928hex.jpg

12guagecody
December 11, 2010, 01:57 PM
dirtyjim what are your plans for the new rifle?

dirtyjim
December 11, 2010, 02:16 PM
dirtyjim what are your plans for the new rifle?
since its matching & in very good shape it will go into my collection and help keep my finn m91 & chinese t53 company.
i also have a finn m28/76 target rifle coming in about a week

tyeo098
December 11, 2010, 02:24 PM
Hartmen - I was thinking just that! Is the scope too high?

You can make an adjustable one by cutting like a 1/2in by 2in rectagle near the top of your stock, then drilling a 1/2in (maybe 5/8) hole for a threaded rod. Insert the threaded rod down the hole, and thread it through a 1/2 in nut thats inside the rectangle, and weld the other side to a cheek rest, add some support bars.... BOOM! Instant adjustable cheek rest!

Protip: Do the same process to the shoulder rest for an adjustable length-of-pull

Ill post the plans after i draw them with my crayon :rolleyes:

EDIT: See attachment. I just embarrassed myself.
Buy some hardware, drill some holes, done!

hartmen
December 11, 2010, 05:16 PM
its a little high for me. for my dominate right eye. for my left eye though its perfect. im right handed like most people so using my left eye is kinda odd.

Ohio Gun Guy
December 11, 2010, 09:50 PM
This followed me home recently..... The scope already installed ;)

Its a reproduction, but seems well done...... 1943 izzy. The lack of scope serial numbers gives it away.

heycatman
December 14, 2010, 11:52 AM
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14243233/mosin/mosin_scopemount.jpg



Well lets get started where I began. I needed a rifle for hunting and didn't have any money as a normal poor college student usually ends or starts. I went to Gander Mountain (first mistake) looking for a cheap rifle that I could kill a deer with one well placed shot and hoped for something that could actually hit it. Presumably a bolt action surplus rifle. Now I'm just like anyone who can appreciate an antique, muscle car, gun or anything old that keeps it's original value or served a purpose greater than the steel it was made with so.......

This is were I found my Mosin. It had already had some holes tapped on top and a cheap scope mount hanging off of it. I assumed after the "experts" at gander certified it, they certainly would be giving me a gun that worked well (second mistake). After I took it home I realized......

1. I paid too much for my surplus rifle, I should have shopped around (of course that's what separates good consumers from bad ones, I've since learned to be a good good consumer).

2. The scope mount hanging off was like that because it was mounted crooked (yeah, duh!) and one of the screws was stripped out anyways. Way to go previous owner! No wonder they'd trade it in to Gander for pennies on the dollar.

3. The ejector leaf spring thingy was worn or "off in a way" and wouldn't eject the bullets away from the chamber, they kind of fell to the side as I was reloading. Thanks again Gander Mountain! I now DON'T trust your certification or expertise on anything.

4. Last but not least I could barely call it accurate. Some shots nailed the bulls-eye but others just stunk. No consistency whatsoever. Some were even off the paper. Partly from the heavy trigger pull but also I believe the barrel hadn't been thoroughly cleaned ever. I actually cleaned a small wal-mart grocery bag full of patches that were completely covered in barrel crud. I ended up using brake parts cleaner (keep away from plastic, hands, paint and inhalation).
Keep in mind I would have loved to just hang it on the wall but sometimes I feel like what's the point of hanging something on the wall that is almost useless.

So enough moaning and groaning about the problems with the gun.... I proceeded with the improvise, overcome and adapt attitude that I'm sure many sporsterized surplus rifle users past and present can share.I also proceeded with an extremely limited budget which included ramen noodles as well as access to a drill press, tap and die set, welder and a lathe at a metals/sculpture shop I have access to. :evil:

1. I lathed off the last few inches of the barrel including the front site. Then crowned it with the best (sharpest) lathe bit I could find. I faced of the end of the barrel with the bit slightly angle to square from the inside out to make sure I didn't get any burrs on the inside of the barrel while it was shearing off the metal. I cut a tapper inwards towards the center as many guns have this style and should help prevent burring or denting of the inside of the muzzle (I assume).


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14243233/mosin/mosin_muzzle.jpg


2. I had my older brother weld a square steel tube cut open onto the receiver and over the bolt and drilled/tapped a tactical rail to it. Also doubles as a carry handle. No welding further to the front onto the barrel section as I think this is a bad idea (minimal welding = less warp-age).
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14243233/mosin/scopemountside.jpg



3. Drilled and tapped a 10-32 screw to the base of the bolt housing through the other side so that I could turn a screw down and put tension on the leaf spring/trigger sear in place. This made the trigger sear height adjustable and gave me a much shorter/easier trigger pull (note this could make the gun more prone to accidentally discharge). I couldn't get it to "accidentally release" the firing pin by banging on the table although that's not exactly mil spec testing either.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14243233/mosin/triggerside.jpg

4. Then I bought one of those synthetic stocks from ATI and painted for personal reasons, Honestly the green will probably get painted over next time I'm layed off but for now it's alright. Just as well I put a coat of engine enamel over all the external steel gun parts. The enamel just looked nice as well as covered blemishes but greatest of all reasons the moisture basically beads off it with out any additional coatings (self explanatory) and should hold up to lubes and most cleaning agents (except brake parts cleaner).

5. Left the ejector leaf spring really cause I really only need one good shot and of all the shooting has actually only jammed like twice from it, If it does, I guess I only get one deer. I might replace it if I find some cheap mosin parts but not going to attempt a modification on a part that small and probably cheap.

All in all I'd say it's pretty "sportsterized" now. But really, I didn't set off wanting this, I just wanted a cheap "good shooter". But once you start you just kind of keep going. Someone once said "If you're going to do something, do it well!" or maybe, If your going to hack apart a relic, antique or in this case a Mosin Nagant, at least make it accurate and work a little better then the last guy did. It's not super accurate but it will do just a hair or so under 2" moa at 100yds which is a lot better than the first shots I took and I think I have just over $200 into it counting the price of the gun $139.00, $45 for the stock, $10 for the rail and a little more for some miscellaneous parts. The customization was heavily reliant on machinery and tools I do not own but if you can find someone with a shop you're set. Took the scope I had on it off and am looking for a smaller lighter one as the gun is pretty heavy especially with the one I had on it. Was trying to figure out a custom rear peep site for it as I can have that and a scope mount (ideal for hunting) but am waiting till I see or think of something really good and cheap.

The biggest investment I have into it is time. I shot a white tail deer with it 3 years ago and the bullet blew right through even with soft point ammo and made a loud whistling through the woods sound, I blame it on over penetration, the gun sure does pack a punch and stopped the deer quite fast. It's not worth selling and I can't think of anything that would make it a much better gun, if I did, I wouldn't hesitate to modify it as long as it was inexpensive. It's since paid for itself and budget increases has allowed for much nicer additions to my collection. It serves it's purpose.



http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14243233/mosin/mosin_custom.jpg

tyeo098
December 14, 2010, 02:32 PM
Whats up with all you guy's inaccurate Mosins?

I'd kill to have a scope on mine because I can do minute-of-paper-plate at 100yds. And that's with a Russky stock 91/30

Old Scratch
December 14, 2010, 06:28 PM
For what its worth...my hex receiver Russian 91 with a B-Square mount and Leupold 2x extended eye relief scope puts a round dead center at 100 yd. I mean: overlapping the point of aim. Bullet: Sierra 150 gr, 311 dia, powder H380, charge...not telling. Admittedly, the POI drifts to the left as the barrel warms up, but not that much. At maximum deflection it still goes less than 1" from POA. These rifles are not junk...properly loaded, they are capable of excellent accuracy at a price that puts any competition to shame.

hartmen
December 14, 2010, 08:55 PM
i would have not welded that onto the reciver. that weakens the metal of the gun and could cause it to fail later....blow up in face fail. its the reason i tapped my scope.

hartmen
December 15, 2010, 08:42 PM
i made up a custom one off adjustable cheek rest today at my work. all out of stainless steel. tigged together. in so freakin excited. now when i raise the gun to my shoulder and place my cheek on the rest my eye is exactly where it is suppose to be and my crosshairs automatically come into focus. :eek: yay


my task now is to clean everything up with some super fine sandpaper and make a decision on weather to paint or stain the stock.

hartmen
January 2, 2011, 08:47 PM
finally finished the nagant! she looks great. now i gotta go field test her. zero her in. and report back to the highroad on how she preforms.

here is a few pics. dont mind the dude holding the gun.

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/shtterbug08/DSCN4045.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/shtterbug08/DSCN4047.jpg

alemonkey
January 2, 2011, 11:16 PM
Nice job! Now go throw some lead (or bi-metal military surplus) downrange.

Honestly, I would work up some custom handloads, or if you don't reload I would buy some quality commercial ammo. That project deserves good ammo.

jwsracin
January 2, 2011, 11:36 PM
love my mosin - maybe one day i can do some work on it - it will hit a 7" metal plate at 100 yards - missing maybe one out of 5 consistantly

stratman26
January 3, 2011, 12:01 AM
finally shot my nagant this afternoon.... great shooter, just have to invest in some sup ammo so i can afford to put lead downrange!

hartmen
January 3, 2011, 05:49 AM
im aiming for 500yard to 1000 yard with mine. if i cant hit that range i will do more work on her. polish and shine anything and everything. do a trigger job ect. i dont think mine is that bad of a pull

dirtyjim
January 3, 2011, 06:18 PM
here are a few pics of my latest mosin.
a finn M28-76 target rifle, one of around 900 that were imported and only a handfull of those have the scope mount base like mine does. i still have to load up some ammo for it before i take it to the range. i also need to get a handstop for the rail and as soon as my mill comes in i'm going to make the upper half of the scope mount since none of them were imported with the rifles and it seems they're not even available in finland anymore
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20nagants/m28-76.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20nagants/m28-76actionleft.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20nagants/m28-76actionright.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20nagants/m28-76actiontop.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20nagants/m28-76backview.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20nagants/m28-76frontsight.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosin%20nagants/m28-76bottomofstock.jpg

savage1r
January 3, 2011, 11:29 PM
That Mosin is taller than you are.

jwsracin
January 4, 2011, 01:19 AM
hartman -- i would love to try mine out at that range - just dont have the eyes for iron sights - but sense i've seen your gun im getting really inspired

QUICK_DRAW_McGRAW
January 5, 2011, 07:01 PM
i already own a M44 but im going out tonight to try to track down a non-numbers matching 91/30 to mod for 600+yard shooting. going to scope it, make a new stock, bent bolt, UK59 barrel if i can find it, etc.

bkclam
January 8, 2011, 12:16 PM
Hi to all. This is my first post. Quick draw, check this out. It might be what you are looking for.

Used receiver from disassembled Mosin Nagant M9130. New Czech made barrel is a re-profiled barrel from a UK-59 threaded to fit a 91/30 receiver. $99.99

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=209785717

Hope this helps.

bkclam
January 8, 2011, 12:39 PM
BTW, Richards Micro Stock has 2 Wildcat stocks, a thumb-hole and a regular both in semi-fancy walnut w/ studs for 91.00 and 64.00 in their special close out list. Was going to get the thumb-hole myself but funds aren't there so some one might as well pick them up. They are awesome stocks and would look great on your project Mosin. I was going to do the same only using a cut down stock barrel. Here's the link. http://www.rifle-stocks.com/bargain_list.htm

Also does any one know where I can get a Finn modified trigger with the 2 pins. There was a guy, MAKKO in Lahti, Finland that had some but he is sold out as well as Milsurp.com. Any help would be appreciated as I'd rather not have to make one.

dirtyjim
January 8, 2011, 03:03 PM
Also does any one know where I can get a Finn modified trigger with the 2 pins. There was a guy, MAKKO in Lahti, Finland that had some but he is sold out as well as Milsurp.com. Any help would be appreciated as I'd rather not have to make one.

there was a guy on gunbroker who did the conversions.he may still be there, do a search in the parts section.

hartmen
January 9, 2011, 08:39 AM
dirty jim.....what is the aluminum type plate on the buttom of the gun infront of the trigger gaurd?

dirtyjim
January 9, 2011, 10:31 AM
thats a target rail. they are used to mount handstops, bi-pods, shooting slings,etc. it also has a shorter one on the left side.

heycatman
January 10, 2011, 08:29 AM
Just curious, what kind of mill you going to get... I was interested in a getting one. I generally thought a mill the size of a car would be great but after working in a fabrication class at UWM I came across two or three weeee sized mills that could probably make any part on a gun you would need not to mention they are way more affordable.

heycatman
January 10, 2011, 08:31 AM
Thanks for the post I didn't realize you could get something like this so easy.

Cob
January 10, 2011, 10:40 PM
I just purchased a Tula, round receiver 91/30... saw the "ugly" rifles at a guns in Jax, FL.
It's amazing how the thing get's better looking. We brought it home in a friend's wife's car... I hope She has not seen the cosmoline stains in the floorboard, though it was probably hard for her to miss the smell of it..

Rancho Relaxo
January 10, 2011, 11:00 PM
Proud 2 rifle member of the club here. A '28 Dragoon conversion that shoots 6" 100 yard groups with surplus or Winchester and a '42 91/30 that I just put a Timney trigger in, bedded the stock and put a mojo trigger in. Trigger feels amazing at 2lbs but I sure had to hog out the stock to make it fit. Also had to cut part of my rear bedding pillar out to accomodate it. Got some .312" Hornady bullets to try out tomorrow. I bought my first one because the price was so good, now I want to buy more just because I see just how cool they are.

dirtyjim
January 11, 2011, 06:42 PM
heycatman,
i've decided to buy the grizzly G0704, i should have it around the end of january or early febuary. its just about the smallest mill i would consider using but it also has a good amount of table travel. i knew several people who had the early versions and they cut very good. now its available with a r-8 spindle & power feed. a full size bridgeport would be nice and eventually i'll buy one but this will work fine for several years.

heycatman
January 12, 2011, 12:21 AM
Thanks for the reply and nice choice.

I was looking at
http://www.cartertools.com/mill.html

and a controller
http://www.deepgroove1.com/gecko/geckodriver.htm

I'm stuck I have enough computer experience to use the cad programs and it's very tempting to throw down some designs and use the controller to do cutouts. Like walk away and come back 4 hours later to see your design cut out but..... something tells me that just having the hand controls is more than good enough and I might just be adding way too much to the table time and effort wise by trying to use it as a CNC machine instead of just hand controlled milling. Especially for the gun stuff tends to be pretty simple at times.

tomh
January 12, 2011, 08:58 PM
how do you start a new thread? I couldn't figure it out.

Cob
January 12, 2011, 09:18 PM
I ordered 2 more MN 91/30's from Aim Surplusfor $69.95 each with all acessories, they are hard to pass up for such a bargain... I started on a sporter project shortly after my first purchase...I first located a nice black walnut blank, (airdried for 7.5 years), then using a combination of Larry Potterfield's plexiglass template & inspiration from the the "hartmen" method- i have cut the blank, and started inletting..I'll post pics as it progresses, but going the more classic look.

The inletting is a bit intimidating... I hate to admit, but i made a mistake on the very first cut i made on the stock, although it was repairable.

Cob
January 13, 2011, 10:14 PM
disregard

savage1r
January 15, 2011, 02:33 PM
Something I did a little while ago. It was simple enough for me to do and I thought it'd be pretty worthwhile for people to do. A swivel stud mounted bipod can run as little as $26 and you get to keep the barrel harmonics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Iiyci9_Hi8

dirtyjim
January 15, 2011, 05:11 PM
heycatman,
those aren't bad mills your looking at.
if you go to the forums at cnczone.com they do a lot of cnc conversions on small mills & lathes. you might get some good ideas there.

eventually i'd like to go cnc but since i have about 5 years experience on manual mills i'll stick with what i know for now. i did do a little bit of programing on a cnc lathe about 15 years ago.

mostly i'm planning on making square bridge scope mounts and my own rings. i may also market mosin rimless cartridge conversion kits with a threaded & short or long chambered barrel, modified bolthead, interuptor/ejector and a few other parts depending on the caliber used.

hartmen
January 16, 2011, 02:43 PM
omg. this day was crazy. i went out to a friends with the mn ive posted. she shot great. going longer and longer on the yardage. well after 20-30 rounds the muzzle blew off the barrel and flew about 30-50 feet away. i didnt get hurt. just made me a little ticked off. all that hard work. the only thing i can think of that happened is the gun created to much pressure and it stripped out all the threads i made on the barrel and muzzle.

my plans are to leave the muzzle off and recut the damaged end off the barrel. recrown and go on. sometimes i guess the gun makes the choice what acc. its suppose to have.

huskershooter
February 15, 2011, 10:37 PM
I'm new to the site and proud to say I am the owner of a 91/30. Powerful and very accurate. I shot a 1.5" group at 150yds open sighted!

Rancho Relaxo
February 15, 2011, 11:17 PM
An update on my Mosins:
Shot a 2" group with my '28 Tula using Prvi 182 grain loads and a 2.5" group with my .312" Hornady 150s and Varget.

Shot a 1.5" 3 shot group with my '42 Izevsh (Timney trigger, action bedded and Mojo sight). Shot it at 300 yards on a 12x12 steel plate and did reasonably well, though the front sight obscured the target completely.

Still working on getting all the cosmo out of the '43 Izevsh.

Now I'm spending plenty of time drooling over the Hex receiver 91/30s that AIM has.

Elbert P . Suggins
February 16, 2011, 12:29 PM
I bought a 91/30 last year with a period correct mount and an authentic PU scope mounted. The mount was aluminum and the rear thumb bolt that tightens the unit and holds it in place was tightened too hard with a screw driver and broke the piece behind it comes in contact with. I would like to buy a steel mount to replace and do not where to start. I went to 7.62X54.net the official web site and they treated me like a POS and sent me to time out. All I asked them was the same question and they said they don't even talk about alterations or bubbified pieces of art. Heck this gun had PUs mounted on them in WW2 so I have no idea why they got their underwear all knotted up? Right now I have 8 Mosin-Nagants which is probably more than most of them have so I am doing my part to conserve history.

stonecutter2
February 16, 2011, 01:16 PM
I've got a hex receiver 91/30 on the way from aimsurplus.com - can't wait to check it out!

tyeo098
February 16, 2011, 06:59 PM
I went to 7.62X54.net the official web site and they treated me like a POS and sent me to time out.
Join the club...

AR-yoter
February 24, 2011, 11:11 PM
My first gun was the m91/30 named her jolee, ive since put the mossy oak monte carlo stock with the leapers rail system i love this gun its great for deer / elk hunting and ya cant beat havin an awesome hunting rifle for under 250, and doing all the work yourself make it that a better exerience

hoosiercheetah
February 27, 2011, 08:15 AM
I went to 7.62X54.net the official web site and they treated me like a POS and sent me to time out. All I asked them was the same question and they said they don't even talk about alterations or bubbified pieces of art. Heck this gun had PUs mounted on them in WW2 so I have no idea why they got their underwear all knotted up? Right now I have 8 Mosin-Nagants which is probably more than most of them have so I am doing my part to conserve history.

Ahh, our dear friends at 7.62x54.net.

I love that website. It is a wealth of valuable information for anyone interested in buying, collecting, shooting, maintaining the Mosin Nagant rifle.

But if you ever attempt to post on their forums, be warned: Those forums are only for very, very SERIOUS collectors.

The first time I posted there, I made the noobie blunder of using the abbreviation "Izzy" to refer to my Izhevsk rifle. Within moments the owner of the forums swooped in to rescue me. He pointed out my flagrant disregard for the dignity of finely crafted Russian weaponry, and reminded me that "The use of "cutesy" and improper terminology negatively impacts our standing as a group among our fellow collectors." (from Forum Rule #4) I shudder to think of the hordes of Mauser collectors huddled around their computers, s******ing to each other about those silly, childish Mosin owners.

The forum owner gave me the following instruction, to help me along in becoming a more mature, refined collector of surplus rifles:

"First, remove the cleaning rod from your rifle by unscrewing, and pulling straight out from the stock.
Next, unzip your trousers and allow them to fall to your ankles.
Then, place the cleaning rod behind and beneath yourself, assuming a "squatting" posture. Carefully align the cleaning rod wtih your rectum, and lower yourself toward the floor until the rod is fully inserted. Using a chair or table for balance will aid in a smooth insertion.
The last few inches can be problematic. Depending on your build, it can be difficult or awkward to bend over far enough to tap the rod home with a rubber mallet. If you find yourself unable to achieve complete insertion, just go as deep as you can, and use a little locktite to prevent the rod from backing out. The rest of us will do our best to overlook the resulting deficiency in your character and moral fiber."

I followed the directions carefully. Sure enough, the rod hung up a little with about an inch sticking out. I didn't have a mallet handy, but luckily, I also shoot black powder, and there was a wooden bullet starter on the work bench that I was using for balance. Just a few light taps and the rod slid firmly into place.

Now I am totally free from the debilitating burden of whimsical and immature posting. Having gained the recognition and approval of my fellow collectors has helped me to become a more useful member of my community, and I'll be darned if I don't *feel* like more of a man.

I know this post is a little long, but I hope that it has helped you. Please do re-post it to anyone who finds themselves in a similar circumstance, needing to speak with very serious collectors of historic rifles, but lacking the maturity to do so.

Good luck!

Aaron.

thralldad
February 27, 2011, 09:58 AM
That's awesome. I just lurk there now. Similar experiences. It is a great resource and I learned a lot there but I like it here MUCH better!

caribou
February 27, 2011, 05:49 PM
Yaaaaaaaaa, 7.62X54r.net is awsome......it has a sister site, Gunboards, and quite often the same fellows , looking for more "Mosin".......
Like 7,62X54r.net, Gunboards "Collectors" forum is very specific, sorting fakes from facts the Byzentine myrids of yet uninterpreted makings, parts and variations on the variations, as well as extreamly rare and undiscover'd peices.....If your interested in History and the Mosin Nagant itself, its a great place. Several well known authors post there as well.

Yet, if you scroll down to the "Gunsmithing" forum on the boards, you will find friends with hacksaws, dremels and "Plans" awaiting your every modifycation, with opinions, ideas, Idonethats and answers.

I read both a couple times a day :D

Its your gun, do as you like.
I am a collector with 40+ Mosin's, as well as my one and only personal M-39 Sako that I make ends meet for my family with, as a Hunter/Gather'r/Fisherman.


I dont EVER modify any Mosin I aquire, but I do repair, and I have made some sweet parts guns(started with barreled actions) for Hunting that would get me banned from the collectors forum if they were to read of them on there ~~LOL!!~~

Too much info on Gunboards to ignore, if your a serious Mosin Junky :D

almherdfan
February 27, 2011, 06:29 PM
Greetings! Another newb to THR. I added a 91/30 to my humble collection last year & love it. Fun, practical & inexpensive-what's not to love?

Cob
March 4, 2011, 06:22 PM
MN 91-30, custom stock

towboat_er
April 4, 2011, 08:59 PM
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/towboat_er/004-1.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/towboat_er/013.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/towboat_er/Mosin.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/towboat_er/012.jpg

True Grit
April 6, 2011, 12:24 AM
I just took my new (to me) Mosin Nagant 91/30 that I got from Aim Surplus out shooting today for the first time and I couldn't be any happier, it shot great. I don't think I missed a target all day! My friends are becoming Mosin Nutts too just like me... = ] This is a great gun to own and even better to shoot. Everyone should have a couple.

UltimateReloader
April 26, 2011, 09:08 PM
Recently brought this home:

http://ultimatereloader.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Mosin-Nagant-Closeup-1-600-watermark.jpg

Write-up:
http://ultimatereloader.com/2011/04/11/mosin-nagant-affordable-history/

Jotobo
April 26, 2011, 10:50 PM
http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l497/jotobo/DSCF1384.jpg

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l497/jotobo/DSCF1386.jpg

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l497/jotobo/DSCF1387.jpg

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l497/jotobo/DSCF1383.jpg

15guns
April 28, 2011, 08:08 PM
This is carlsako. I used to be 15guns the guy who started this thread. Looks like it was a good idea because it's still going strong. I got rid of my mosin nagant and I have a czech vz-24 8x57mm mauser now. The only things the mosin nagant seems to have over my mauser is better accuracy and a lower price.

15guns
April 28, 2011, 08:10 PM
Jotobo you shouldn't of shown your license plate in that picture. People can look up that plate online and find out where you live.

deadeye1122
April 28, 2011, 08:18 PM
Duh!! he lives in minnesota

caribou
April 28, 2011, 10:16 PM
The picture with the license plate also shows he's well armed and practised ........ :D

Most criminals avoid that "type" of guy....~~LOL!!~~

15guns
April 29, 2011, 12:59 AM
criminals go anywhere.

15guns
April 29, 2011, 01:01 AM
Hartman that rifle is crazy. how much did it cost to turn it into that crazy beast? lol

Mudslicks
April 29, 2011, 02:08 PM
Posted this in another link here before, but figured I needed to put it in the club. One of my recent builds. (1940 Tula 91/30)Got the trigger to 3 pounds, added stock, floated barrel, attached dampner, added a bent bolt, sanded and poslished "connection points in bolt" tapped reciever using a jig, mounted a bushnell elite and away we went. Might outshoot my 270!!

http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad88/Mudslicks/Muds%20Mosin/MyMosin001.jpg
http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad88/Mudslicks/Muds%20Mosin/MyMosin002.jpg
http://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad88/Mudslicks/Muds%20Mosin/MyMosin003.jpg

spyderdude
April 29, 2011, 03:38 PM
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/spyderdude18/IMGP0342.jpg

Two 91/30s one of them belongs to a friend of mine. The one with the sling is mine. They certainly are fun to shoot and ammo is cheap!

15guns
April 29, 2011, 04:04 PM
Mosin nagants are shoulder killers. Yeah I do love military surplus ammo but I always clean my rifle either after I shoot or the day after I shoot because I'm affraid of rust.

leadchucker
April 30, 2011, 08:44 AM
I missed several opportunities to buy a Mosin several years ago for $50 each. I've always wanted one, and I finally broke down and had my LGD order me one. Took me the better part of a day to get all the cosmoline out of it.

The 1943 Izhevsk M91/30 is probably the most plentiful and common one around. This one is nothing special, but the bore is decent, and the price is right. These things have a lot of history, and that fascinates me. This one probably saw some action in WWII. They are great shooters too. I'm off to the range today with some Russian surplus ammo to have some fun with it.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm279/phobuc1/DSCN0795.jpg
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm279/phobuc1/DSCN0797.jpg

fyaman22
May 2, 2011, 09:26 PM
Its the scope. It is a very accurate rifle without. What kind of scope are you using?

John Balcer
May 3, 2011, 12:03 AM
I have a Mosin Nagant , Polish factory 11 carbine that I picked up for $275.00 unfired. Sweet shooting gun.

leadchucker
May 3, 2011, 08:21 AM
I'm jonesing for a hex receiver model now. Classic arms has some beauties at the moment. It's gonna have to wait until my C & R comes through. No use making the local FFL rich. :)

Germany
May 3, 2011, 07:13 PM
Just ordered this m39. So I'll post the dealers pic in the mean time. 1895 Izhevsk receiver. "Antique"

http://gunsnammo.com/2941x-1.JPG

lukedsh
May 10, 2011, 11:43 AM
What do you guys think is the best way to put a scope on my mosin nagant 91/30. It has a round receiver and I would like to do it myself (without a gunsmith).

Joshua M. Smith
May 10, 2011, 04:08 PM
Luke,

I would use a bolt-on scout mount. It will save you from drilling and tapping.

Do not use a cheap one though... you've been warned!

Josh

ZCORR Jay
May 10, 2011, 04:21 PM
Has anyone tried the scope set from Combat Optical?

Magnification: 2X-7X
One 2-7x32 long eye reliefe scope
One Mosin Nagant M44 Short mount
One Low Scope Ring

http://combatoptical.com/catalog/Mosin-Nagant-M44-2-7x32-scout-scope-combo-set-with-mount-and-ring-421.html

Joshua M. Smith
May 10, 2011, 07:51 PM
No man, no. Huh uh. You want something that will last more than a couple range sessions. You can't get a good mount alone for that.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=26104/Product/MOSIN_NAGANT_MOUNT <--- IMO, this is the only one worth getting.

Another tip -- if you pull the rear sight off, there's a 3/8th dovetail under it. You can get a conversion for a Weaver mount. Might save a bit of money: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=18690/Product/3_8__DOVETAIL_TO_WEAVER_ADAPTER

Now, as to 'scopes... you cannot get a decent 'scope for under a couple hundred. Not one that will hold zero and have halfway clear optics.

http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shooting/products/scopes/handgun-scopes/fx-ii-2x20mm-handgun/

If you go with one of the cheap things you're looking at, you'll end up deciding the Mosin-Nagant is not accurate, or become frustrated, or both.

Either be prepared to spend for a decent scout mount setup, or get good with the iron sights.

You might also look at a turned-down bolt handle (they run about $50) and just have it drilled and tapped with a PU, PE, or PEM mount and scope.

Josh

lukedsh
May 10, 2011, 09:53 PM
Thanks for all the info Josh, I didn't know that it already had a dovetail rail.... It looks like a pain to get the rear sight off though. :(

wtxj
May 10, 2011, 10:07 PM
All you have to do is drive two pins out. Go to automotive store and get a long skinny punch, smaller then the pins. Doesn't take much just the proper tool.

lukedsh
May 11, 2011, 09:49 PM
Thanx I think that I will give it a try

metalman8600
May 12, 2011, 01:47 AM
nvm- delete

PTK
May 12, 2011, 02:15 AM
I somehow missed this thread. Can I join? ;)

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=75264&d=1206510099
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=75265&d=1206510107

(please note that yes, it's an SBR, and yes, I paid the $200 tax ages ago and currently hold the stamp on a F1)

cyclopsshooter
May 12, 2011, 02:39 AM
PTK OUCH!

I just picked up a really sad 1945 Tula M44 (I ass u me it is a Tula, it has triangles with arrows on nearly every part) I cold blued the receiver, stained and oiled the stock. (was white on blonde :)
The Bore looked REALLY bad at first- scrubbed it with a brush and Hoppes at first, shot it, used wipe out- The rifling began to look better...frosty but strong. Shot it again, used wipe out again, now its starting to even look shiny...

Are Tula M44s chrome lined?

Super fun to shoot!

Joshua M. Smith
May 13, 2011, 01:41 AM
Hey folks, shameless plug here.

If you guys like the sights I make, there's no waiting as of tonight. I just finished the last ones on the order list.

Thanks,

Josh

15guns
May 13, 2011, 04:28 AM
PTK why do you need a sawwed of mosin nagant? Lol.

Runerock
May 14, 2011, 12:39 AM
PTK That looks painful!

PTK
May 14, 2011, 04:21 AM
PTK why do you need a sawwed of mosin nagant? Lol.
I don't. This is America.

heycatman
May 14, 2011, 12:55 PM
i would have not welded that onto the reciver. that weakens the metal of the gun and could cause it to fail later....blow up in face fail. its the reason i tapped my scope.
Your right it softens the metal that's why it is minimally welded it, small and precise. If you think those welds are going to make the gun blow up in my face I'd say your speculation is far from reality, but you know there's never a shortage of experts.

heycatman
May 14, 2011, 01:05 PM
That is what I imagined would be a good bear gun.

Daddy like! Too bad about laws I'd have a dozen of guns that could have been modified to some sort of creation like that. Instead they usually get traded or sold.

Ringo1234
May 14, 2011, 09:35 PM
Picked up a 91/30, 1943 Ruskie with the triangle, whatever that means.

I haven't shot it yet, but the feel is nice.

yustinus1973
May 14, 2011, 11:01 PM
I used to have a M91/39 rifle and a M44 carbine a couple of years ago, after i did the sticky bolt syndrome fix they both shot wonderfully.

MarkDozier
May 15, 2011, 02:53 AM
Now, as to 'scopes... you cannot get a decent 'scope for under a couple hundred. Not one that will hold zero and have halfway clear optics.
This i will aruge all day long with you.

PTK why do you need a sawwed of mosin nagant?
He wanted a MO-NAG

justin 561
June 1, 2011, 03:06 PM
Might as well add mine in on it. One member missing from family Izzy 91/30. But heres the others.

From top: 1944 Izhevsk M44 w/ Toe splice.
1895 rec/1944 VKT D M39
1901 rec/1944 Sako M39

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m574/justin56133411/mosins.jpg

Joshua M. Smith
June 1, 2011, 10:48 PM
How does this sight look?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/WabashShootist/Mosin%20Nagant/mounted1.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/WabashShootist/Mosin%20Nagant/mounted2.jpg

Josh

Tokarevsrule
June 2, 2011, 07:21 AM
I own a mn91/30. It can shoot jugs at 500 yards with mojo peep sights. I love how the muzzle blast flattens grass when it fires in a hay field.

Ringo1234
June 2, 2011, 01:49 PM
Thanks for the pic Josh

Been thinking of doing the same to my 91/30, my eyes are to wore out for black paint sites. I need some color down there.:D

Joshua M. Smith
June 2, 2011, 01:55 PM
Hi Ringo,

PM me Sir, and I'll walk you through the steps of how I make them (they are a product I sell).

I'm always for helping DIYers, though, and for that reason my stuff isn't patented nor do I hold back any manufacturing "secrets".

At this time, I'm waiting for more fiber-optic stock to get here from Brownell's; after that I could do a pictorial if you wish.

Josh

geo57
June 2, 2011, 05:22 PM
Ringo, for the same effect and results, just brush some of your wife's red or white nail polish or hobby paint on your front sight. I have been doing that on handguns and rifles for 40 years and it works well & especially so with white on rifle sights for hunting in low light. Also, your triangle designates it was made in the Izhevsk plant. 3 of the 4 Mosins I have are Izhevsk.

Joshua M. Smith
June 2, 2011, 07:39 PM
Geo,

The one I make is a fiber-optic. Before, I just painted mine white. It works, but doesn't glow.

Josh

thralldad
June 2, 2011, 09:33 PM
That sight is awesome!!

MacTech
June 5, 2011, 03:41 PM
Just joined the club :)
My '39 vintage 91/30
http://gallery.me.com/mactechg4/100018/IMG_3723/web.jpg?
http://gallery.me.com/mactechg4/100018/IMG_3724/web.jpg?
http://gallery.me.com/mactechg4/100018/IMG_3725/web.jpg?
http://gallery.me.com/mactechg4/100018/IMG_3726/web.jpg?
http://gallery.me.com/mactechg4/100018/IMG_3727/web.jpg?
http://gallery.me.com/mactechg4/100018/IMG_3728/web.jpg?

NightWolfe
June 5, 2011, 05:21 PM
PTK why do you need a sawwed of mosin nagant? Lol.

I don't. This is America.



PTK ... thank you for reminding me why I love this forum.

/salute

Joshua M. Smith
June 6, 2011, 02:06 AM
Mac,

Congrats!

Josh

VeeArDoubleyouSee
June 7, 2011, 02:44 PM
Pardon the mess
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/2783/img00027201106071157.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/851/img00027201106071157.jpg/)

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3183/img00029201106071158.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/812/img00029201106071158.jpg/)


My first rifle at 16, the wood was falling apart and the sights were very much off so I replaced them with the Mojo. Postwar production so no harm done. And now she's beautiful.

Joshua M. Smith
June 7, 2011, 05:08 PM
Very nice!

Josh

VeeArDoubleyouSee
June 8, 2011, 01:13 AM
Thank you, sir. Just shot her again last week for the first time in a while and fell right back in love.

kingcheese
June 8, 2011, 03:51 AM
the mosin nagant isnt so much of a percision weapon, as a HOLY CRAP what kinda cannon is that guy shooting kinda gun

ive oftn wondered what a nagant with one of thoose pu scopes on it can do, heard some amazing stories about the russains and finns, but thats when the technology was new and the rifles where fresh

i have a 1944 made m38, and a 1944 made 91/30, both are ok shooters, and beautiful rifles, im thinking about buying another rifle for so i can "sporterize" it, basically ruin its historical alue so i can see how good i can get it to shoot

loadedround
June 8, 2011, 08:34 AM
I was recently given a model 91/30 Mosin Nagant riifle from my wife's old boss. I've been reading how difficult it is to operate the Moisin's safety. I'm not a rocket scientist, but I don't see any type of safety on this rifle, Could someone help me out please?

leadchucker
June 8, 2011, 08:54 AM
Grasp the cocking piece, firmly, pull it back, again firmly, turn it to the left (counterclockwise), and release it. That firing pin spring is stout, and it makes it a challenge to do this.

kingcheese
June 8, 2011, 02:22 PM
and its a pain to release, its better just to keep the thing unloaded and decocked

loadedround
June 8, 2011, 06:14 PM
Leadchucker: Thank you. I did try it and it works but what a PIA it is to use. No wonder those Russian soldiers were so strong!

kingcheese
June 8, 2011, 09:38 PM
you think the saftey takes effort to work, try decocking it with one hand, feels like its gonna rip off your thumb

leadchucker
June 8, 2011, 10:18 PM
Decocking a Mosin with a round in the chamber is A BAD IDEA! That firing pin is just a spring loaded type, and that spring has a lot of pressure. The firing pin is resting on the round under a lot of pressure. Way too easy to set a round off.

You wanna decock it on an empty chamber? Just raise the bolt lever to almost vertical, pull the trigger, and the lever will fall, or you can let the lever down gently.

pkariher
June 9, 2011, 11:09 AM
Is there a problem dry firing this gun?

I have had the bolt appart and it looks to be pretty robust to me. The pin is huge.

Joshua M. Smith
June 9, 2011, 02:00 PM
The Mosin-Nagant will take as many dry-firings as you can throw at it, unless the firing pin has become brittle. If that's the case, then it will snap and you're better off finding out it's brittle when dryfiring than with live fire.

Josh

FordDude2003
June 9, 2011, 02:34 PM
Im new here and so I thought I would introduce myself with my mosin. This is my 1955 Romanian M44, its my second mosin definately my favorite, when I bought it I was very surprised by the excellent condition it is in, looks almost factory new! Didn't see anyone else had put a pic of a Romanian mosin so I thought I would put something new up. Thanks and just wanted to say this is a great site.

Joshua M. Smith
June 9, 2011, 03:37 PM
FordDude, very nice Sir!

Josh

FordDude2003
June 9, 2011, 04:04 PM
Thank you! I also have a question, is there any good guide for values on all the different variations of mosins? Or is it more of just what someone is willing to pay.

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