one in the chamber and full mag?


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KDS
May 4, 2010, 09:47 AM
Hey guys, I have a question about concealed carry. I have been carrying for about a year now so I guess I am still new. I carry a variety of semis depending on what I am wearing, etc but I have always carried with one in the chamber and a full mag. I always thought that would give me the most shots, should I need it. But sometimes I want to unload and clear and I always have an extra loose round I have to deal with. I have been thinking of taking a round out of the mag so I have a place to put the chambered round when I unload.

Do you guys carry this way or do you carry fully loaded? What do you do when you need to unload your carry gun?

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DeepSouth
May 4, 2010, 10:03 AM
I carry fully loaded all the time. I pretty much keep my carry piece loaded all the time, unless I'm shooting or cleaning it.

Mad Magyar
May 4, 2010, 10:05 AM
Personally, I don't use the +1 carry....I prefer a rack giving me a feeling that everything is okay....Mental, of course, but that's just the way I do it...:)

postalnut25
May 4, 2010, 10:30 AM
If you are going to carry, then one should be in the chamber. Your situation may not allow you the time to chamber a round. Or, there may be something that precludes the use of your other hand in racking the slide. Also, evven though there are ways to rack a slide one handed, you may not have the capability to do that when the time comes. Having a round chambered alleviates those issues.

Lv4snobrdg
May 4, 2010, 10:31 AM
fully loaded, locked and cocked (1911), safety on. I don't usually do +1 cuz it really doesn't matter to me if the weapon is topped off, I really only expect to use 2-3 shots and carry a full spare mag just in case.

when it comes to self defense time is of the essence, the likelihood of a perp giving you an opportunity to rack the slide is slim.

tactical operators learn to draw, disengage the safety, point and shoot in one fluid movement and in a specific amount of time. civilian schools teach you to do this in 1.5 seconds, typically.

Mad Magyar
May 4, 2010, 10:34 AM
If you are going to carry, then one should be in the chamber. Your situation may not allow you the time to chamber a round. Or, there may be something that precludes the use of your other hand in racking the slide. Also, evven though there are ways to rack a slide one handed, you may not have the capability to do that when the time comes. Having a round chambered alleviates those issues.
I think the OP is referring to a +1 rd or racking one off the mag; rather than Condition 1 vs 3.... Or, I misread the post...:confused:

jimmyraythomason
May 4, 2010, 10:43 AM
If you are going to carry, then one should be in the chamber. That's the way I see it too.

KDS
May 4, 2010, 11:05 AM
I'm sorry for the confusion. I definately intend to carry one in the chamber. The question is whether the mag is topped off or not. If you have a 12 round mag, do you carry with the mag full or with 11 rounds so if you need to unload and clear your weapon, you have a space to store that round in the mag? Does that clear things up?

ChristopherG
May 4, 2010, 11:12 AM
It does clear it up, though I thought your point was pretty clear to start with, KDS! For myself, the answer is: depends. I sometimes carry a 1911 with 8-round mags. When doing so, I go through the extra administrative trouble to top off--and yes, it is a bit of extra administrative trouble. That extra round is one more thing to look after, and I have lost track of it for a short time before. When I carry a Glock 19, OTOH, with 15 round capacity, I just leave it at 15. So I guess my comfort zone is somewhere between 9 and 15 rounds ;-). You just have to decide where your comfort zone is. You might find it's different with different guns or situations (my 1911, for instance, is a duty gun; the Glock is for concealed & plainclothes carry). And lest you get too stressed about it, think about all the folks out there carrying 5-shot j-frames!

ny32182
May 4, 2010, 11:13 AM
I don't top the mag off in my carry gun for the exact reason you specify: full mag +1 leaves nowhere to put the extra round when unloading. I unload at the range, or at matches in order to switch to non-carry ammo for practice, and just like the ability to stick the extra round in the magazine to keep track of it. When loading back up, I just insert full magazine, rack slide, holster.

I carry a full extra magazine (G19) so I've got 15 in the gun (14+1), and 15 in the extra mag... good enough for me.

nalioth
May 4, 2010, 11:15 AM
Let's do a search next time, eh?

This subject is a pile of horse bone fragments.

angel1216
May 4, 2010, 11:21 AM
it's because of these subjects that made me switch to a revolver! in a way thanks! LOL

KDS
May 4, 2010, 11:42 AM
for the record, I tried to do a search but it always timed out and I wasn't able to see any results. Nalioth, I'm sorry that you are so offended by the question that you just had to post.

To everyone else, thanks for the help!

speaksoftly
May 4, 2010, 11:47 AM
Confrontations last only seconds if not less...time needed to rack in a round is too much IMHO. I always carry fully loaded and chambered.

EddieNFL
May 4, 2010, 11:52 AM
Let's place an absolute ban on duplicate topics. We'll all have lots more free time on our hands and save tons of bandwidth.

Full mag plus one. When I download for whatever reason, I place the gun in a bag and drop the loose round in one of the pockets.

Tacbandit
May 4, 2010, 12:02 PM
Quote:
"Let's do a search next time, eh?
This subject is a pile of horse bone fragments."

Hmm... Let's see...

OP's original question... "Do you guys carry this way or do you carry fully loaded? What do you do when you need to unload your carry gun?

Sounds like he WAS searching to me...Fellow High Roader looking for info from more "seasoned" carry folks.
KDS, welcome, and as stated above by ChristopherG, it's all about your comfort zone. Determine what that is, and practice that accordingly.
Tac

nalioth
May 4, 2010, 12:03 PM
for the record, I tried to do a search but it always timed out and I wasn't able to see any results. Nalioth, I'm sorry that you are so offended by the question that you just had to post.

To everyone else, thanks for the help! I'm not offended, just trying to help you out.

There are potloads of excellent responses in the prior threads, but over time, those responders get tired of answering the same question week in and week out. .

Let me help you with your search: one in the chamber - THR (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22one+in+the+chamber%22+site%3Athehighroad.org)

Lv4snobrdg
May 4, 2010, 12:04 PM
Let's place an absolute ban on duplicate topics. We'll all have lots more free time on our hands and save tons of bandwidth.

Full mag plus one. When I download for whatever reason, I place the gun in a bag and drop the loose round in one of the pockets.and with the exception of the occasional "new gun" post this forum would die. got my vote....

gearhead
May 4, 2010, 12:38 PM
Except he wasn't asking about one in the chamber...

Tacbandit
May 4, 2010, 12:43 PM
+1, gearhead...seems some haven't understood the question yet...

bobelk99
May 4, 2010, 01:01 PM
Welcome to the forum KDS.

A wonderful thing about the forum is the wealth of info available, whether from search function or the members.

I am a new user myself, so I am well aware of the value of the 'old timers' sharing their knowledge.

I am new enough that I still think it is valuable to respond to the duplicate posts which ask the same questions repeatedly. To encourage the new posters as much as anything. It is easy to not view duplicate threads if we don't like them.

I do not take/have time to do a lot of posts. I envy those that do.

speaksoftly
May 4, 2010, 01:01 PM
Except he wasn't asking about one in the chamber...

HA! Guilty as charged. Hmmm that's an interesting idea. Personally I'd still rather have all the rounds and just throw the extra one in a pocket if it comes time to unload and clear (which isn't common for me anyway).

lions
May 4, 2010, 01:09 PM
I always carry full mag +1. When I have to unload I just put the +1 in my pocket or set it on the table next to the mag, I haven't had one run away on me yet. IMO it is such a small thing to put up with there is no way I would trade an extra round to not have to deal with it occasionally.

WC145
May 4, 2010, 01:46 PM
Always topped off.

Owen
May 4, 2010, 01:47 PM
KDS, is the loose round really that much of a burden?

IF you end up running the gun dry, you are really gonna miss that last round.

harmon rabb
May 4, 2010, 02:12 PM
always topped off. if i have to unload for some reason, i'll place the extra round in my pocket, or in the glovebox of m ycar.

MICHAEL T
May 4, 2010, 04:37 PM
Same as many other always fully loaded If I unload I put extra in my pocket also

bigfatdave
May 4, 2010, 06:03 PM
I understand the hassle of the "extra round" and minimize it by rarely clearing my CC pistols, they live in their holsters topped off and ready to go.

On the rare occasions I clear one, it goes into a case, and the extra round generally gets shoved into the edge of the foam (hard case) or into a pocket (soft case) or if I'm extra lazy I'll just stick it in the trigger-guard of the locked-open pistol.
When I'm switching mags for the range, I end up removing a round from the mag, because the top two rounds get dinged up being chambered, cleared, and swapped ... and I like to shoot a bit of defensive ammo at the range anyway. That way I expend the rounds well before any concern of setback and I test my carry loads regularly.

Another thing to consider ... if you did lose that single round, it wouldn't be a big deal, as far as I'm concerned.

The Lone Haranguer
May 4, 2010, 06:14 PM
I generally load my guns full mag plus one. If it already holds 14 or 15 rounds I don't worry too much about one or two. For example, I may load my Glock 19 magazine with 15 rounds, chamber a round and leave the mag in place with fourteen. The important thing is to have the gun loaded and ready to go; I don't believe in carrying chamber empty. If for some reason I have to unload and show clear outside of a controlled situation, I will let the chambered round fall where it may.

Enachos
May 4, 2010, 06:29 PM
I keep mine fully topped off with one in the chamber. If I have to clean it I simply put the extra round in my pocket.

KodiakBeer
May 4, 2010, 07:04 PM
All of my pants have pockets, so this problem has never arisen... :D

sideways
May 4, 2010, 07:05 PM
I figure if I can't get it done with eight then the ninth really doesn't help much I also agree with the gentleman that said he likes to cycle one in the tube. I guess you then remove mag and top off but I never do, I also feel that the mag might wear better without being maxed out all the time.

Zerodefect
May 4, 2010, 07:40 PM
I often keep my extra mag 1 round from full so that I have an easier time doing a tactical reload. I just put the extra round in that mag.

I allways have an extra mag, with compacts I use a fullsize mag for reloads. 1911's get teamed up with a 10round mag reload.

LancerMW
May 4, 2010, 08:22 PM
i dont carry +1 because it saves the springs from wearing out as quickly

REAPER4206969
May 4, 2010, 09:10 PM
Fully charged +1.

REAPER4206969
May 4, 2010, 09:11 PM
i dont carry +1 because it saves the springs from wearing out as quickly
Myth.

nalioth
May 4, 2010, 09:20 PM
i dont carry +1 because it saves the springs from wearing out as quickly
Myth.You missed the first appearance of this myth in this thread . .

I also feel that the mag might wear better without being maxed out all the time.

The old myth that never goes away . . .

Tacbandit
May 4, 2010, 09:42 PM
Quote:
"Another thing to consider ... if you did lose that single round, it wouldn't be a big deal, as far as I'm concerned."

:uhoh:That would all depend upon exactly where you lost that round...One less round, based strictly on a round count...no, not a big deal. But, losing one or having an unaccounted for round can be a very big deal, especially for safety sake.:eek:

possum
May 4, 2010, 09:54 PM
when i carry, magazine in and round in the chamber, to me there is no other way to carry.

bigfatdave
May 4, 2010, 10:18 PM
That would all depend upon exactly where you lost that round...One less round, based strictly on a round count...no, not a big deal. But, losing one or having an unaccounted for round can be a very big deal, especially for safety sakeHow do you figure?
I'm not clearing my sidearm in a roomful of suicidal drunks with unloaded guns in my chambering here.

It hasn't come up, but I wouldn't spend more than a minute or two looking for a lost round.


Amazing how many people are still saying they carry with one in the pipe, isn't it?

Strahley
May 4, 2010, 10:52 PM
I always carry with one in the chamber. When in public, the gun does not come out unless I've become unlucky enough to have to use it, so I guess I don't have the problem of finding a place to put the last round

If I clear/clean it at home, then it doesn't really matter...just put it on the desk or something while cleaning

Strahley
May 4, 2010, 10:55 PM
i dont carry +1 because it saves the springs from wearing out as quickly

Your springs are not wearing out having a round in the chamber, as all of your springs are at an idle/compressed state. Compressing/decompressing (many many times) is what wears springs out

mljdeckard
May 4, 2010, 11:10 PM
Clearing the weapon is the same whether the mag is full or not.

Chamber a round by inserting a full mag, not by hand-placing one in the chamber. Drop the slide, safe the weapon, eject the mag, put another one on top. If you do this often, you will want to rotate that round.

REAPER4206969
May 4, 2010, 11:16 PM
But, losing one or having an unaccounted for round can be a very big deal, especially for safety sake.
I gotta hear your reasoning behind this...

huntsman
May 5, 2010, 12:03 AM
But sometimes I want to unload and clear and I always have an extra loose round I have to deal with. I have been thinking of taking a round out of the mag so I have a place to put the chambered round when I unload.Do you guys carry this way or do you carry fully loaded? What do you do when you need to unload your carry gun?

Full +1

I don't feel the need to clear it, when I practice I leave the SD round in the chamber release the mag and replace it with one that has practice ammo. After shooting and cleaning the SD rounds go back into the gun with 1 new to replace the one shot unless I'm shooting all SD loads then a mag gets filled with new.

Mike J
May 5, 2010, 12:18 AM
I always carry +1- I do try to pay attention if I have cycled a round in & out of the chamber to watch for setback. I also usually don't unload my carry gun except for cleaning or the range.

Impureclient
May 5, 2010, 12:35 AM
Speaking of setback...Isn't it not good to reload the same bullet more than a couple times? That is part of the reason I find it hard to keep the gun chambered.
After carrying for a week or so I like to clean the gun and it seems that rechambering the gun after cleaning will have me going through a lot of bullets to remember not to rechamber.

KodiakBeer
May 5, 2010, 01:20 AM
But, losing one or having an unaccounted for round can be a very big deal, especially for safety sake.

Dude, you wouldn't want to see what's rolling around in the back of my SUV!

GLOOB
May 5, 2010, 04:39 AM
Not all autos are equal. If a single round represents 6% of your total firepower, then maybe it's not a big deal. If it represents 14%, then you might want to put up with the extra effort.

ny32182
May 5, 2010, 09:14 AM
Speaking of setback...Isn't it not good to reload the same bullet more than a couple times? That is part of the reason I find it hard to keep the gun chambered.
After carrying for a week or so I like to clean the gun and it seems that rechambering the gun after cleaning will have me going through a lot of bullets to remember not to rechamber.

If you can't visibly see the setback I wouldn't worry about it. Good defensive ammo has plenty of neck tension; you can chamber one WAY more than twice with no issue.

Not all autos are equal. If a single round represents 6% of your total firepower, then maybe it's not a big deal. If it represents 14%, then you might want to put up with the extra effort.

I kind of agree with this. At 15+ rounds, being down one is not a big reduction. If you've got 5-8 rounds, going the extra mile for one more is a bigger deal, and I would probably do it then.

NG VI
May 5, 2010, 10:19 AM
I've done both. Generally I carry with a topped off magazine, because I only unload my carry pistols to switch to more range-friendly ammunition, but not always.

Tacbandit
May 7, 2010, 12:07 PM
Quote:
"But, losing one or having an unaccounted for round can be a very big deal, especially for safety sake."
I gotta hear your reasoning behind this...


OK...I've been quoted a couple of times now, so here goes...The most expensive ammo I've ever encountered was $47 dollars for a single round of .40 for one of my glocks...How did that happen...? Well, while clearing my weapon in my SUV, a single round fell perfectly to the only place it could not be recovered...It got between the parking brake handle(down inside the little rubber cover) rolled perfectly underneath the console. Yes, Murphy's Law at it's best. It lodged perfectly to where it couldn't be recovered without major surgery in a recovery effort. This was late at night, so early the next morning I was at the GM dealership, trying to explain the scenario. Even though I had specifically told them this was a single loose round, after removing the seats and console cover they came out to tell me there was no "ammo clip in there". Duh...they escorted me to the shop floor, and I pointed to the spot I believed the round was. The guy thought he was wasting his time, but at my request he pulled off the console base/mounting plate. There underneath all snug and cozy was my shiny little lost .40 round sitting there laughing hysterically.(along with Mr. Murphy). The guys couldn't believe it actually made it under there. No excess room whatsoever. It totalled a 1/2 hour of labor...thus the $47.00 and some change. However, the point of the story being is that my wife drives this vehicle most of the time, and the baby seat is in this vehicle, too. Not knowing how much heat/movement happened in that area, there was no way I was going to leave this round in the vehicle, waiting for "whatever"...A little extreme...yes...but now you can see why it was important...Lessons learned...:o

ny32182
May 7, 2010, 12:38 PM
Unless you have an exhaust manifold in your console with the round sitting on it, I'd say there was no danger...

Tacbandit
May 7, 2010, 12:57 PM
ny32182, you're probably right, but I wasn't taking chances when it comes to the wife and baby.

Harvey
May 7, 2010, 01:10 PM
I always carry full mag +1. When I have to unload I just put the +1 in my pocket or set it on the table next to the mag, I haven't had one run away on me yet. IMO it is such a small thing to put up with there is no way I would trade an extra round to not have to deal with it occasionally.

Finally, someone has answered the OP's question without getting smart. Thanks, lions.

Black Dime
May 7, 2010, 09:10 PM
"duplicate" post with three pages of comments. COOL!!!

1911 LW Commander, cocked and locked, 8+1 and a 10 rounder on the other hip. No kids at home so I seldom unload the weapon. I guess when I do its the pocket or on the den table.. hmmm........

PS: I got ragged also by someone who thought I was repetitive in 2007. I have often pondered the question "Why open it?"

Tacbandit
May 7, 2010, 11:36 PM
Quote:
"duplicate" post with three pages of comments. COOL!!!........
PS: I got ragged also by someone who thought I was repetitive in 2007. I have often pondered the question "Why open it?"

wow...thanks for joining in. Duplicate or not, the OP is obviously new, and may not know their way around yet. Regardless, in keeping it "HighRoad" it's right to try to help each other out.

bigfatdave
May 9, 2010, 09:13 PM
Not knowing how much heat/movement happened in that area
You trust the rounds to not go boom when it IS IN A FIRING GUN, but not rattling around in your car?

Take a good look at a revolver, in fact, take a look at a rimfire revolver. The round going boom can be within a tiny fraction of an inch of TWO live rounds, and those round's primers are in the rim.
So how is your centerfire cartridge a danger, exactly?
And what does that have to do with someone who doesn't clear their weapon in a car because they are clumsy and would lose rounds into the cushions, too?

Tacbandit
May 9, 2010, 10:38 PM
Quote:
"You trust the rounds to not go boom when it IS IN A FIRING GUN, but not rattling around in your car?"

Uh.....yeh...
I would expect that in a "FIRING GUN" the round would or should go off...that would be the reason for loading that gun, and then carrying that gun... to perform as it is designed to, and when I want it to...not in my wifes vehicle, with A N Y possibility that something could happen to cause that round to go off where the safety of my wife and child, or others are concerned. The point being is that while I knew where the loose round went, I couldn't see what it was resting against, what kind of pressures if any it might encounter, or if there were any moving parts under that console base plate. I don't know... I guess I put a little higher value on the health and safety on my loved ones and others...Was it a hassle...? yes Was it costly...? not tremendously, but it would have been worth a thousand times that if necessary. Any lessons learned...? you bet! :)

"And what does that have to do with someone who doesn't clear their weapon in a car because they are clumsy and would lose rounds into the cushions, too?"

Hmmm...Not sure... but if they're not clearing their weapon in a car, I don't suppose they'll have that problem anyway... :cool:

REAPER4206969
May 10, 2010, 02:17 AM
.not in my wifes vehicle, with A N Y possibility that something could happen to cause that round to go off where the safety of my wife and child, or others are concerned.
You are aware that a cartridge detonating outside of a firearms chamber is of absolutely no threat? The bullet will stay where it's at and the case will simply rupture and fly back a short distance. Won't even break skin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfoJAwlUopI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BX1kvJVrjc&feature=related

walteray
May 10, 2010, 02:28 AM
I carry loaded cocked and locked with a topped off mag, If I have to clear the gun for any reason I put the extra In my coat pocket or stick it in the belt loop of the holster so i dont loose, but sometimes it gets lost.... hey hollow points are sold by the 20 or 25 and two mags +1 comes out to 17 so ive got some extras and the lost oine will turn up in my glove box someday

Tacbandit
May 10, 2010, 11:30 AM
Quote:
"You are aware that a cartridge detonating outside of a firearms chamber is of absolutely no threat? The bullet will stay where it's at and the case will simply rupture and fly back a short distance. Won't even break skin."

Willing to stake your life, or the life of a loved one on that.....??? I'm not. "Things" can happen. I appreciate the point you're making, and I understand the science of it...Life has enough "chances", and other things we can't control. There are "absolutes", and there are "variables"... Where there are variables, we are no longer in control. The common sense things that I can control, I will. When I can eliminate a particular problem, I will...and I did, as with the "missing round". Overboard...maybe to some. I'll go overboard anytime to protect a loved one...:)

ny32182
May 10, 2010, 12:11 PM
First, you would need a HOT heat source under the console to cook off a round. There is simply not one there inside the car, period. The exhaust system is the only thing hot enough to do it, and it is of course, on the outside of the car, closer to the tank full of gasoline than a round dropped in the car would ever get.

Second, if it did cook off (not really possible), being outside a chamber, as someone mentioned the case would go further than the bullet since it is lighter. Pressure would be released the second the bullet and case separate, i.e., no chamber and no barrel = no pressure = no velocity.

If you somehow managed to put a several hundred degree heat source under there to generate a cook off, the only slight danger would be from something under there flammable enough to catch fire in the second or two it would take for the few grains of powder to burn to completion. Any heat source hot enough to cook off a round is likely hot enough to combust any easy combustible material under there.

We can all appreciate trying to keep our family safe, but properly evaluating risk helps rather than hurts our effort on that topic; I'm sure we'd all agree. A loose round under the seat does not represent a risk. There are plenty of activities we do every day that are relatively risky, and reasonable things we can do to mitigate those risks... this just doesn't fall in that category.

REAPER4206969
May 10, 2010, 01:03 PM
Willing to stake your life, or the life of a loved one on that.....???
Yes.

bri
May 10, 2010, 01:23 PM
I always have 'em topped off. If I unload somewhere with out an ammo can, the extra round goes in my pocket.

Tacbandit
May 10, 2010, 02:24 PM
hey guys...appreciate the science, and the opinions...I never said I was right-you were wrong. I only made the point that if I'm going to err, I'd rather it be on the side of caution
and safety. That's me... Thanks...Happy and safe shooting,
Tac

GLOOB
May 10, 2010, 03:05 PM
Topping off is better in the same way that eating veggies is good for you. It's a pain, but more power to you if you always do it.

I don't. :)

Southern Rebel
May 10, 2010, 03:40 PM
Let's place an absolute ban on duplicate topics. We'll all have lots more free time on our hands and save tons of bandwidth.

Yep, that certainly is rational thinking. After all, we gunowners are in such a large majority in this country that we can affort to keep out the newcomers to our group. I am, after all, in need of a lot more free time. That is why I sit here and read and comment when I have so much to do!

3845
May 11, 2010, 11:14 AM
My pistols are always full up. The only place I leave room for another round is under the hammer of an SA revolver, which I use only for fun.

JTQ
May 11, 2010, 12:01 PM
I don't usually top off a magazine. I have no particular reason for not doing so.

I suppose if I did, and had to clear that extra round I would probably just put it in a pants or jacket pocket.

Of course if I forgot it was in there, and had to head to the airport, that could be a pretty expensive round. Possibly more so, than the $47 auto repair bill.

boston
May 11, 2010, 01:24 PM
One in the chamber and full mag always, always, always. Extra round goes in pocket when clearing. It could be tragic if you ever needed that extra round and didn't have it, but could have.

Mr.Davis
May 11, 2010, 09:57 PM
Amazing how few actually took time to read and understand the OP's question. Some of you look quite silly in your rush to shout "use the search function!".

The question was "do you top off the mag after putting one in the chamber or not?" It had nothing to do with carrying chamber loaded/chamber empty.

I personally top off my mag. Yes, it does leave a loose round when you unload the gun, but it's not a big hassle. I just put the loose round by the mag and load it up again when the time comes.

gearchecker
May 11, 2010, 10:39 PM
I just drop the extra round in my pocket when I need to clear the pistol. No big dael as long as you don't have a spare firing pin in your pocket.
always Condition 1 & a full mag.

Coronach
May 11, 2010, 10:43 PM
Yes. Full admin load, always. Full magazine, one in the chamber. I can't find a good reason to do otherwise.

Mike

inSight-NEO
May 12, 2010, 07:23 PM
When I carry, I tend to use a fully loaded mag, but nothing in the chamber unless I am in an area where I anticipate potential trouble. Why this is, I will not debate.

To directly answer your question, simply keep your mag loaded up, with one in the chamber if you prefer, and when unloading, simply put the extra round aside or whatever, and IMHO, either save this round for practice, use it to start a secondary "backup" mag or when able, put it at the bottom of the "current" mag and start a "cycle."

Personally, if I did choose to carry with a chambered round, I would try to avoid continually chamber loading/unloading the same round. Just my take.....

thunder173
May 12, 2010, 07:39 PM
Full mag, topped off,...with one up the spout. The extra round isn't that much of an issue for me to worry about.

earlthegoat2
May 12, 2010, 08:11 PM
I dont top off the mag on my Hi Power.

Part of it is because when I was overseas, even though they were carried in Condition 3 the Aussies I was with apparently never carried the gun fully loaded because of reliability issues with a fully topped off mag on the second shot.

Obviously there is plenty of evidence of agianst this being a real concern and it could have jsut been their mags they were using. Nonetheless it gives me peace of mind to have 13 9mm rounds on tap instead of 14.

inSight-NEO
May 12, 2010, 08:35 PM
I dont top off the mag on my Hi Power.

Part of it is because when I was overseas, even though they were carried in Condition 3 the Aussies I was with apparently never carried the gun fully loaded because of reliability issues with a fully topped off mag on the second shot.

Obviously there is plenty of evidence of agianst this being a real concern and it could have jsut been their mags they were using. Nonetheless it gives me peace of mind to have 13 9mm rounds on tap instead of 14.

This brings up an interesting point, one which I hesitated (and thus, failed) to mention. Even though a bit off topic, I feel the need to explain myself.

Since I tend to always keep several mags (used for HD or PD) loaded, many for extensive periods of time, I try to adhere to the download "principle" in order to stave off Mr. Murphy (whether or not this is fallacy is up for debate). Also, with the "download principal" in mind, I tend to establish a "standard" set of rounds to be kept within these certain mags, regardless of whether I am at the range or storing them at home for "later" use. To me, this helps maintain a certain level of consistency and takes into consideration the "train as you would fight" idea.

Besides, given my needs, I doubt that extra one or two rounds would make much of a difference anyway. If so, well...that is what an extra mag is for. If that is not enough, I either need to find a more "capable" weapon or put more time in at the range.

If I were LEO, that would be a different situation altogether.

But, again, this is a bit off topic; it is not my intention to hijack this thread and begin a "subtopic" war. If you disagree with my previous statements, feel free to PM me and we can go from there.

Fastcast
May 12, 2010, 08:39 PM
Do you carry an extra mag? I carry with one in the chamber and a full mag. My spare mag though is loaded one shy of full, for a smoother reload. When it's time to un-holster, you now also have an appropriate place for that extra round in the chamber......In the spare mag. :)

Someone may have already mentioned this....I don't know because I didn't bother to read all the replies.

KDS
May 12, 2010, 09:26 PM
Well, you guys have certainly answered my question and I will continue to carry with a full mag. I agree that the loose round isn't that big a deal. I was just wondering what other people did. Thanks for the input. Insight-Neo, what is the download principle? That is a new one for me.

inSight-NEO
May 12, 2010, 10:32 PM
Insight-Neo, what is the download principle? That is a new one for me.

Well, to be honest, I coined that phrase for the use within this thread. However, to be more succinct, it involves downloading single stack mags by one round and double stack mags by two rounds. I simply do this as I tend to keep my mags loaded for many months at a time. Basically, its all about being "safe rather than sorry." But, this is a mere personal preference (and I do not feel less than prepared in doing so).

Below is a quote explaining why I do this:

Since I tend to always keep several mags (used for HD or PD) loaded, many for extensive periods of time, I try to adhere to the download "principle" in order to stave off Mr. Murphy (whether or not this is fallacy is up for debate). Also, with the "download principal" in mind, I tend to establish a "standard" set of rounds to be kept within these certain mags, regardless of whether I am at the range or storing them at home for "later" use. To me, this helps maintain a certain level of consistency and takes into consideration the "train as you would fight" idea.

Besides, given my needs, I doubt that extra one or two rounds would make much of a difference anyway. If so, well...that is what an extra mag is for. If that is not enough, I either need to find a more "capable" weapon or put more time in at the range.

If I were LEO, that would be a different situation altogether.

NMGonzo
May 12, 2010, 10:36 PM
nowhere to put the loose round?

That is what pockets are for!

Marshall
May 12, 2010, 11:16 PM
I carry full tilt.

And recommend it, assuming you gun functions flawlessly when loaded that way.

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