S&W M&P9c Apex Tactical hard sear and striker block review.


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Mags
May 4, 2010, 10:37 PM
Dropped my S&W M&P9c off yesterday with the gunsmith and picked it up today. For those of you that own M&Ps ya'll are probably aware of the vague trigger reset and mushy trigger feeling. Well the hard sear and striker block improved both trigger reset and trigger pull. The setup did not remove any of the long pull though, but after the first squeeze of the trigger the next one will be alot smoother and with no more false reset.

The Sear can be found here: Apex Tactical Sear (http://apextactical.com/hp_zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=21&zenid=ghfcqiclnb0q5b8gebujlakga3)
And the Striker block here: Apex Tactical Striker Block (http://apextactical.com/hp_zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=24&zenid=ghfcqiclnb0q5b8gebujlakga3)

Today I fired 25 rounds of the new red box at Wal-Mart. (Federal Champion 115 grain 9mm) The target was at the 15 yard line.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/hossdelgado/100_0864.jpg

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Gary G23
May 4, 2010, 11:52 PM
I've done that upgrade on six M&P's now. I wish S&W would make those parts standard equipment.

DAdams
May 5, 2010, 09:12 AM
Gary G23 I've done that upgrade on six M&P's now. I wish S&W would make those parts standard equipment.

The 9PRO gets a work over for not that much more $$.

I heard that they will be offering a similar PRO/Performance Center "upgrade" for all the M&Ps soon.

This was gleaned from a SHOT Show Report.

Gary G23
May 5, 2010, 09:49 AM
"The 9PRO gets a work over for not that much more $$."

Three of the pistols I upgraded were Pro Series guns. There is no comparison between the Apex parts and those of the Performance Center. Plus you don't have the failure to reset issue that has plagued some Pro Series guns.

CatsEye
May 5, 2010, 02:00 PM
I did the same upgrade to my 9Pro. It is an improvement over the factory parts.

Kingofthehill
May 5, 2010, 02:09 PM
Well... parts are ordered.

I don't think the trigger is that bad on my M&P's though... They all have over 2k rounds down the pipe and hours of sitting on my recliner pulling the trigger though.

JOe

Mags
May 5, 2010, 02:13 PM
I just really wanted a more distinct reset, which the Apex parts gave me.

Kingofthehill
May 5, 2010, 02:23 PM
I admit to that, the M&P suffers from a weak reset.

I love the Glock's reset!... is it close to that?

Mags
May 5, 2010, 06:41 PM
I love the Glock's reset!... is it close to that? Not quite as strong as a Glock but you know it has reset for sure.

Skylerbone
May 6, 2010, 04:49 PM
Great pics Mags! Wish my M&P shot that straight, alas I think the barrel is crooked ; ). I installed the Apex sear on my .40 and WOW! I knew I had to waste another $7.50 on shipping for the seperate order on the striker block, my fault for not buying them together. It's not a Para LDA but it is leaps ahead of most other DAO triggers.
Check out Speed Shooter Specialties for more M&P goodies then surf on over to S&W's site to check out the NEW SD9 & SD40. I'll definitely be getting one for the wife! (I pray she doesn't like it)

RobMoore
May 6, 2010, 04:54 PM
If I didn't already have a Burwell trigger job, I'd get this, and will if I ever get a second M&P.

gglass
May 6, 2010, 05:39 PM
Well... parts are ordered.

I don't think the trigger is that bad on my M&P's though... They all have over 2k rounds down the pipe and hours of sitting on my recliner pulling the trigger though.

JOe

You will be singing a different tune once you drop in the Apex Tactical parts. All five of my M&P's were upgraded with the Apex parts... Even my two Pro's. Yes... Apex is that good!

You can't have a M&P thread without a Pro pic:
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/9929/pro9hst.jpg

Mags
May 6, 2010, 06:41 PM
Nice looking gun Joe. I am now eyeing the SD9 as well I need to dry fire one before I buy as I am sure aftermarket support won't be tooled up right away.

rhenriksen
May 8, 2010, 06:21 PM
Thanks for posting the review and links - inspired me to finally order the parts for mine. Received them very quickly, and thanks to the Youtube videos was able to swap the parts out myself in short order @ the workbench.

rhenriksen
May 9, 2010, 11:32 PM
Made it to the range today to test drive the M&P w. the new parts. Very nice!! Same amount of take-up as before, but now the take-up travel is very light & smooth, with a far more crisp break. Even a tangible, short reset and very little overtravel.

LibertySympathizer
May 11, 2010, 03:39 AM
I assume both parts aren't needed.

If so, has anyone that has gotten both played with using each part separately before using them together, and can give a better description for what each part will do?

I mean the description for each part seem to do the same benefit, just using different words. Then again, it maybe too late in the evening for me to be reading it.

Gary G23
May 11, 2010, 10:00 AM
"I assume both parts aren't needed."
You know what they say about assumptions.

The sear reduces trigger pull, reset, and overtravel.

The striker block takes the grittiness out of the take up.

So they do different things.

Yes I have tried them separately and yes I think they are both needed.

When you add the sear it will make the grittiness of the take up more apparent. Randy Lee has done his homework.

Full Metal Jacket
May 11, 2010, 10:15 AM
do those apex upgrades make any difference in the reset?

Skylerbone
May 11, 2010, 10:40 AM
+1 what Gary said. I replaced the sear and trigger pull dropped markedly. Last night I Replaced the striker block and it removed the friction point felt midway through the pretravel. I could have lived with just the sear but I'm more than pleased with the combination and would buy both again if anoher M&P comes my way.
As to reset, mine now has a slight audible click on reset and is much more positive than before upgrade.

Mags
May 11, 2010, 10:40 AM
do those apex upgrades make any difference in the reset? Yes, the reset is more distinct. No more false reset.

av8usn
June 21, 2010, 06:20 PM
I have an M&P Pro 9mm, an M&P 9mm C, and just bought the M&P 45 F.S. The 45 trigger was noisy, around 6# (+ maybe) and generally sloppy. It was not satisfactory.

I called Apex last week, left a voice mail with questions, and their response was within two hours. Randall Lee told me about the videos for the sear and striker bar replacement, and was very encouraging about how easy it would be to do.

So, I ordered the parts. I did the Apex Tactical trigger job on my M&P 45 today. New 45 hard sear and Ultimate Striker Block and I polished the trigger bar. I am absolutely amazed at the difference. Smooth as silk, around 4#, very little over travel and an almost instant reset.

Why pay shipping to Smith and Wesson, or Burwell (who, by the way, has yet to respond to any of my emails requesting a slot for a trigger job - business must be good), or lose the use of the pistol for weeks, when this is available and very simple. I have compared my Apex trigger to an M&P Burwell job and I, personally, could not see any advantage to Burwell.

The Apex trigger is BETTER than my M&P Pro, which I thought was very good for a factory trigger, so the Pro is next in line for the mod.

Just one opinion.

RobMoore
June 21, 2010, 07:56 PM
business must be good

Probably that, combined with it being the middle of the competition season.

9mmepiphany
June 21, 2010, 09:23 PM
Probably that, combined with it being the middle of the competition season.

everyone in the Apex shop competes too...both smiths and the office manager. one reason they came up with the DIY parts rather than do action tunes (which they'll also do) on the M&P is to let them get caught up on revolver and 1911 work

RobMoore
June 21, 2010, 09:27 PM
refer to #11

jon_in_wv
June 28, 2010, 07:19 PM
I've fired WELL over 5000 rounds through my M&P 9c and I am at a loss about this "false reset" you guys are talking about. It isn't as positive as a Glock or XD but my M&P reset it positive enough and I have never short stroked it no matter how fast I've shot it. A few weeks ago I dragged my HP out for some shooting, talk about NO reset. I did short stroke that one a few times until I corrected my self.

Red Cent
June 28, 2010, 11:09 PM
I have researched the Pro and was impressed with all the comments. In most striker fired pistols, one of the items in the "kits" are reduced power firing pin spring (please don't start on the FTF). Then I found out you have to remove the rer sight to disassemble the slide parts. Bummer.
I have not looked for "tune up parts" for the M&P. I just ordered the Ghost Rocket kit for my recently acquired G34.
Could you list some tune up parts suppliers for the M&P. I will check out Apexin the meantime.

LawofThirds
June 28, 2010, 11:49 PM
The apex duty kit does not use a reduced strength firing pin spring in their kits. They use a stronger sear reset spring, a sear with a new geometry and a polished, rounded striker block. That gets you to about a 2.5-3.5# trigger pull. Then they increase the trigger pull by using a stronger return spring, ensuring an even more positive return.

Nothing in that kit decreases the chance of firing and most of the parts actually increase the reliability.

The Apex kit turned my 45c from one of the grittier/unpleasant triggers on a striker fired pistol to the nicest one I've felt, including the pro series, a performance center tuned trigger, glocks and springfield xd triggers.

Skylerbone
June 29, 2010, 01:36 AM
Red Cent,

Check out speed shooter specialties.com for M&P support. They carry factory replacement and specialty parts (including Apex) and ship promptly.

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