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RKellogg
May 10, 2010, 06:50 PM
With all these pistols cal made for hunting , 500 , 454 , I even seen a 45-70 . Wouldn't something like a 243 or something like that be better . Does anyone make anything like this .

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jbkebert
May 10, 2010, 06:58 PM
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I have not seen or heard of a high velocity rifle bullet in a pistol until you go with something like this. Mine happens to be a .308 win and it is very very easy on the hands but hell on deer and coyotes.

Arkansas Paul
May 10, 2010, 07:01 PM
T/C makes a single shot pistol in just about any caliber you can imagine, including the .243 Win. As far as being better, there's a lot that goes into that.
For a 50 yd shot, I'd take the .500 or .454. For a 200 yd shot, the .243 would be the correct option, and yes, with a scoped pistol in a rifle caliber, 200 yds is within range. I would love to have a T/C Encore pistol in 7mm-08.
The Savage Striker and Remington XP-100 are also available in rifle calibers. The XP-100 isn't being made anymore, but you can still find them used. I'm not sure about the Striker.

KodiakBeer
May 10, 2010, 07:03 PM
The problem with rifle rounds is that they need velocity to be effective. You can't get that velocity out of a short barrel. A 90 or 100 grain .243 round at 1200 fps would be like shooting a deer with a 9mm hardball, with 50% smaller frontal diameter. It wouldn't expand and would just poke a .24 caliber hole in the animal. The animal would probably die eventually, but it's going to run far away before it does.

Edited to add: Oh yeah - what those T/C guys said...

What are the barrel lengths on those?

Rembrandt
May 10, 2010, 07:20 PM
With all these pistols cal made for hunting , 500 , 454 , I even seen a 45-70 . Wouldn't something like a 243 or something like that be better . Does anyone make anything like this


They're offered, problem is they are not legal for handgun hunting in most states.......many require a straight walled case.

Arkansas Paul
May 10, 2010, 07:25 PM
You're going to lose some velocity going with a 15" Encore barrel, no doubt. It is not going to drop a .243 Win all the way down to 1200 fps though. I don't think 2500 fps is out of the question.
If you lost that much velocity, they wouldn't be so popular. I can get 1200 out of a .45 Colt with a 7 1/2" barrel with no trouble.

jbkebert
May 10, 2010, 07:31 PM
I have two T/C handcannons a Contender in .35 rem has a 12" barrel. The .308 Encore has a 15". So for the above statement of velocity. My Encore rifle in 28" .308 shoots around 2756 fps with 168 grain hornady a-max handloads. The same loads shot from my 15" barrel clip along at 2387 fps. So yes I do lose some velocity but not much. After all most of the EBR boys who brag about the accuracy of there M4 are only running a 16" barrel. Off of a bench the gun pictured above will consistantly hit a 4" clay at 250 yards. I sure can't do it off-hand but the gun is more capable than myself.

jbkebert
May 10, 2010, 07:38 PM
Come to think of it. I would really dig having a BFR in 7mm-08 or .243. Or better yet a .22-250 that would be a great coyote gun:D

Snubshooter
May 10, 2010, 07:40 PM
An Encore is about your only choice unless you use an X frame Smith. Here's my .300 ]Wby by Gary Reeder[ATTACH]120967[/ATTACH

BCRider
May 11, 2010, 12:28 AM
From my own reloading I gather that most rifle powders are a lot slower burning than most pistol powders. That means that the bullet isn't really going to get up to the proper speed as Arkansa Paul suggested. So that brings you back to the classic hunting handgun calibers of .357Mag and .44Mag along with the Johnny come lately .454Casull, .460 and .500S&W. And then the BFR in .45-70 that is such a big honkin' bullet that even if it doesn't get up to a full burn velocity will still do the job because it just bludgeons its way through.

il_10
May 11, 2010, 02:34 AM
jbkebert: It's been tried before, but necked cartridges lock up revolvers too bad to be functional. Which is why you don't see full-on rifle cartridges in revolvers, barring 45-70 and similar straight-walled rifle rounds. It's been covered on this forum before, and there are plenty of people here who can explain the phenomena at play far better than I can, so I'll leave it at that. :)

OP: I'm with the rest of the crowd. Necked cartridges aren't functional in a revolver, so a thompson center is going to be your best/most economical choice. Now, if you have to have something in a rifle round that will go bang more than once, you could have stumbled onto a new project. Of course, an automatic shooting a full house rifle round couldn't house its magazine in the grip... but what about, say, an ar-10 pistol? It seems to work fine with the little brother, so I don't see why it wouldn't work. The only issue is it couldn't be "made from a rifle," so you'd have to start with either a receiver you machined yourself or (and i could be drastically mistaken on this point, make sure it'd be legal before you start with anything like this) a fresh receiver that's never been built into a rifle before. I don't think I've ever seen an ar-10 pistol before, but I kind of like the concept.

Arkansas Paul
May 11, 2010, 09:39 AM
I was misunderstood. I was disagreeing with post #4 when I talked about velocity.
I was saying that yes, it's going to lose some, but will still have more than enough to get the job done.

jmorris
May 11, 2010, 09:56 AM
My favorite deer busting pistol is my XP-100 in 7mm BR. But the Contender and revolvers work also.

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/qvideo/gn/hunting.jpg

svtruth
May 11, 2010, 03:34 PM
I have a Kel-Tec PLR in .223 delivers the slugs at 2900 fps.
That's close to rifle velocity.

flipajig
May 12, 2010, 10:23 AM
I also shoot a Tender and with my 7-30 waters barrel and my hand loads im getting 2200 fps with a 140 grn Nosler BT verry efective on deer and hogs. with the same cal and 120 grn hondady vmax 2400 fps. the 140 grn is efective out to 250 yds. and the 120 abit farther. there are other calibers out there that are getting close to 3000 fps one of them is a 6.5 x 284 with a 16 in tube. mine are all 14 or 15 in barrel my 44mag is running 1600 fps with a 200grn JHP. and i wouldnt be afraid to shoot at a deer or pig out to 100 yds with it. another great cal in a encor is a 7-08 and ive read that its efective out to 500 yds. Now just becouse the cal is capable of doing it doesnt mean that you or I can shooting a pistol at distance with a scope is verry different and takes alot of pratice to even come close to being good with one. this is my experiance and my opinon for more info go to google MOA shooting there are people who shoot 1000 yds with a SP.

gordy
May 12, 2010, 11:58 PM
S&W 41 mag. it will do the job.:D

MachIVshooter
May 13, 2010, 05:28 AM
IMO, the single shot and bolt action pistols chambered in rifle cartridges kinda defeat the purpose of handgun hunting, as they are essentially stockless rifles with slightly bobbed barrels. But to each his own. For me, the sport is in using a conventional handgun in a handgun chambering, albeit a potent one. Here in CO, very heavy 10mm or .357 Mag is minimum by law (550 ft/lbs @ 50 yards). But the larger .41 and .44 mag easily meet the criteria, and will cleanly take a deer with good shot placement at responsible ranges.

Then, of course, there are the powerhouse .454 Casull, .50 AE, .460 S&W, .500 S&W and a number of proprietary cartridges in the 1,500+ ft/lb range. These are all more than enough for deer, and suitable for elk to 100 yards or more.

An Encore is about your only choice unless you use an X frame Smith

For what? Grizzlies? Heavy .357 and 10mm are plenty for medium game at reasonable ranges. The venerable .44 mag has been dirt napping Bambi and bigger critters for a long time, with less than half the energy of the .460 or .500 S&W.

I have a Kel-Tec PLR in .223 delivers the slugs at 2900 fps.

Not with 55 gr. ball, it doesn't. A shade over 2,600 is average. That is both advertised velocity and real world chronograph results. I've checked. 40 gr. handloads managed a little over 3,000 though.

http://kel-tec-cnc.com/plr16.htm

But .223 isn't legal for big game in many states anyway, nor are the 10 round mags the PLR comes with.

Harvey
May 13, 2010, 08:14 AM
The 'perfect' deer pistol: Weatherby CFP (Compact Firing Platform) chambered in .243 Winchester.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/20730

Top it off with a Burris 2X-7X-32mm long relief scope, set it on a bipod, and you're good to go.

http://www.burrisoptics.com/handgun1.html

The rest of conversation is just oh so much blather.

Happy hunting.

MCgunner
May 13, 2010, 04:07 PM
My .30-30 barrel 12" Contender will take any deer to 200 yards. It's topped by a 2X fixed LER scope and has taken 5 to date. I shoot a Nosler 150 ballistic tip at 2100 fps. It's pushing 1000 ft lbs at 200 yards and is sighted zero at 200, 3" high at 100.

oneounceload
May 13, 2010, 04:15 PM
An Encore is about your only choice unless you use an X frame Smith

See that XP-100 above. I have one as well in 7mmBR - If I do my part (getting harder as I get older), that 7BR will kill a pronghorn to 250 + and a mulie to at least 200. While not as versatile as the Encore or Contender, it can be rebarreled if so inclined to 7-08 or larger.

(I think that gun, legally made into a rifle with 16" barrel would make an ideal "predator gun")

jmorris
May 13, 2010, 05:16 PM
See that XP-100 above. I have one as well in 7mmBR (I think that gun, legally made into a rifle with 16" barrel would make an ideal "predator gun")

I looked into building one for hog hunting at night but wound up using downloaded 7-08 in a model 7. Not as accurate as the XP but a lot less than the cost of what I was looking at.

goon
May 13, 2010, 10:46 PM
In all seriousness, my one great uncle killed over 100 deer in one year during the Great Depression using a .22LR. Illegal as hell, but he did keep his family and some neighbors in meat.
My dad hunts deer with a .223 and has killed them with a 7.5" .357 revolver. I know one guy who used a .38 Special Uberti 1866 Winchester clone to get his deer last year.
Deer are not armor-plated.
Some rounds are rediculous overkill for hunting them.

Arkansas Paul
May 14, 2010, 12:03 AM
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OVERKILL.

If some one wants to use a .700 Nitro Express for squirell, that's their business.
It never ceases to amaze me that so many people are so concerned about what other people hunt with. Hunt with what you want to.
Is a .300 Win Mag more gun than necessary for whitetail? Sure it is. But if someone wants to use one, it's their money and their shoulder.
I don't hunt with a magnum by the way. A .280 Rem and a .30-06 do everything I need them to do. Of course they probably kill them a little to dead and I just don't know what to look for.

MachIVshooter
May 14, 2010, 12:27 AM
Arkansas paul-

I don't see anyone arguing against the use of more powerful cartridges. The issue here is that some people are asserting that the powerhouse rounds are needed, when in fact, they're not.

The OP was seeking insight in this regard, and that's what we're trying to provide.

However........

With game animals intended to be eaten, and especially small game, there certainly is such a thing as overkill. Someone who shoots Bambi with a 7mm RUM at 42 yards will quickly find out why seasoned hunters are using cartridges better suited to the game size and range. Nothing like losing the whole brisket to bloodshot and bone fragments.

358Hammer
May 14, 2010, 12:28 PM
http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk460/emeraldislandlover/LisasBuff.jpg

By definition a handgun or pistol is a gun that does not have a stock which in use does not mount to a shoulder. IE, a pistol grip without a buttstock.

The world of handgun hunting started for me back in 1976 when I took my first two handgun bucks with a Model 57 Smith and Wesson in 41 Magnum caliber. Being a competetive shooter is was natural to take up the hunting challange and I truely enjoy the sport and especially as I got older, not having to pack big long unweilding brush hanging long guns. Living in big bear infested communities, for years I carried a rifle and a handgun. Rifle for protection and long range hunting.
I picked up a couple of contenders and for years found myself pushing the limits of that platform trying to get range and knockdown defense for bear protection. I settled on and carried a 444 marlin for 10 years and it served me very well.

When the Encore handgun and its heavy frame came along I thought I was in fat city and started hunting with a 358 Winchester cartridge. I never got into the bolt action handguns much because they were spendy by comparison and to convert one into a viable hunting cartridge while raising a family was definitely cost prohibitive. Plus I was unable to find a bolt action hunting setup back in the day that came in as light as my break opens.
Then along came the Savage Striker of which I missed the boat the first few years of its travels around the country. That was then and after finding out how without special tools I could change boltheads and barrels on the Strikers from 22 Hornet to 460 Weatherby's.

My wife currently hunts with a 6.2 pound 338WSM wildcat and I hunt with either a 6.7 pound 338 Win Mag or an 8 pound 338 Edge handgun. The Edge at 2950fps with a 225 grain Accubond pretty much dominates my handgun hunting world.
Neal

MCgunner
May 14, 2010, 01:00 PM
Maybe by definition, but I prefer a handgun that can be carried in a holster, even if just a bandoleer type. To me, that's a hand rifle. I sorta draw the line after Contenders and it took me a while to warm up to Contenders. JMHO, though. We all have our "thing", I guess. :D Just that if I'm going to carry something that danged big, I'll carry my rifle.

See that XP-100 above. I have one as well in 7mmBR - If I do my part (getting harder as I get older), that 7BR will kill a pronghorn to 250 + and a mulie to at least 200. While not as versatile as the Encore or Contender, it can be rebarreled if so inclined to 7-08 or larger.

(I think that gun, legally made into a rifle with 16" barrel would make an ideal "predator gun")

I believe that was called the "mohawk" by Remington. Actually, my M7 in .308 is on that action, I believe. It's quite short, anyway. It's got a 20" barrel, though.

buck460XVR
May 14, 2010, 05:09 PM
IMO, the single shot and bolt action pistols chambered in rifle cartridges kinda defeat the purpose of handgun hunting, as they are essentially stockless rifles with slightly bobbed barrels. But to each his own. For me, the sport is in using a conventional handgun in a handgun chambering, albeit a potent one.

I agree.

By definition a handgun or pistol is a gun that does not have a stock which in use does not mount to a shoulder. IE, a pistol grip without a buttstock.

so, by definition a rifle with a folding buttstock is a handgun once the buttstock is folded? Does shooting a rifle from the hip and not mounting it to ones shoulder make it a handgun also? Then pistol grip shotguns are really handguns? If this were true why is it most states that have a legitimate handgun season require the use of handgun calibers....and why do many states that don't allow the use of rifles for hunting allow the use of rifles chambered in handgun calibers? I suspect it has more to do with the power, trajectory and limitations of the ammo used than whether or not it mounts to your shoulder. The ammo is what determines for me, what is a rifle and what is a handgun.

I have no problem with Contenders, they are nice guns and very accurate. Chambered in straight walled handgun calibers, I consider them Contender handguns.....in bottle-neck rifle calibers, I consider them Contender rifles. Others disagree I'm sure, but this is how I feel. Can't see how cuttin' the stock off my M1917 '06 at the pistol grip and puttin' a bipod on it changes it from a rifle to a handgun. Still the same gun, shooting the same cartridge using the same sights. Not being able to shoulder the gun is offset by using a bipod resting on the ground or a table. Many say the same could be said about the X-Frame .460 I use for deer and shooting off a shooting stick. As powerful as it is, it still is limited by it's ammo and will never match the power and range of any popular rifle round used for deer. Put a buttstock on it and it's still a handgun round and still won't be effective out past 200 yards.

Again, I'm not putting down folks that don't feel the way I do....they are welcome to hunt anyway they want and to use whatever weapon they wish. But IMHO, like painting an apple yellow don't make it a banana, just cuttin' the stock off a rifle don't make it a "handgun".

My question to the OP is, why do you want to hunt with a handgun? Is there a special handgun season in your state? Or do you seek the challenge of hunting something with the limitations of a legitimate handgun? The latter is why I hunt with a handgun. I know there will be no 300 yards shots thru a 12 power scope. I know there is not enough power and velocity to compensate for a poorly placed shot. But, to me, success does not always mean coming home with venison and altho they were miles from the record books, the deer I shot with my 6'' .357 were some of the biggest trophies of my hunting career.

Arkansas Paul
May 14, 2010, 06:42 PM
With game animals intended to be eaten, and especially small game, there certainly is such a thing as overkill. Someone who shoots Bambi with a 7mm RUM at 42 yards will quickly find out why seasoned hunters are using cartridges better suited to the game size and range. Nothing like losing the whole brisket to bloodshot and bone fragments.


You know as well as I that bullet selection has more to do with meat destruction than caliber choice. The worse mess I've ever seen inside a deer was made by a .223, and while I've not seen as many as some here, I've seen more than a few. The destruction of meat can usually be minimized with a good controlled expansion bullet that expands a little slower and retains much of it's original weight.
But you're right, it was a little off topic and I'll refrain from discussing it further here.

The Lone Haranguer
May 15, 2010, 02:57 PM
I am sure you could get such a cartridge in a single-shot, long-barreled pistol like the Thompson/Center Encore or similar. But these stretch the definition of "handgun," IMO. The only thing separating them from a rifle is the lack of a buttstock. You will also not gain the full potential of the cartridge - as it would be if fired from a rifle - in a short barrel.

jbkebert
May 15, 2010, 11:05 PM
Wether you like them or love them. I don't know to many people that can pick up a Encore or Contender or XP-100 or whatever and make 200 yard shots. These gun take alot of practice to master or a very steady rest. Just because they are capable doesn't mean you can right off. I tend to hunt deer in this part of Kansas with a .357 blackhawk or a .44 mag with open sights. Most shots are taken within 50 yards. When you go to western Kansas its a whole other ball game. I have tried hunting mule deer but could never get closer than 150 yards. So the Encore provides the added skill and challenge of handgun hunting while maintaining the power and accuracy needed for longer shots.

Arkansas Paul
May 15, 2010, 11:17 PM
These gun take alot of practice to master or a very steady rest.


I would wager that they take both, especially at that distance.

MCgunner
May 16, 2010, 12:16 AM
I never shoot off hand at game with a handgun unless it's very close range, no matter my revolvers or my Contender. I very much like contenders and I hunt with a rifle caliber. ACCURACY and down range power. The things, though, just blow a revolver away for accuracy, more accurate than a lot of hunting rifles. I've killed game with my Blackhawk, but I just kinda prefer my Contender for deer and hogs. And, at least you CAN shoot a contender off hand. Those strikers and XP100s and such are strickly for shooting off a rest. I also carry that contender in an uncle Mike's rig. It's no more bulky than a revolver, much less bulky than X frames. :rolleyes: Hell, I've even carried it in under my hunting coat when I bought coffee at the convenience store in a town on the way home. :D Imagine a guy whipping a scoped contender with 12" barrel out on ya. :D I hunt small game with the very same gun, barrel swap to .22LR. I also have a .45/.410 barrel that's fun and a 7mm TCU I shot IHMSA with for a while. If I thought I needed it, I could get a .45/70, have thought about it. The .30-30 kills anything I handgun hunt for, though. I think the contender/encore is the most versatile handgun hunting system available. You can hunt it all, from squirrel to big bear, with the right barrel choice. This is what I REALLY like about the contender/encore system.

The only reason there aren't bottle neck rounds available for revolvers is they don't work well due to set back. I doubt even the .357 Sig would work in a revolver. It's a bottle neck round, but no less a pistol round. And, let's face it, .460 and .500 Smith strain the definition of a handgun round, don't ya think, straight case or no? If you have a hang up about rifle cartridges in handguns, that's your problem.

Arkansas Paul
May 16, 2010, 12:33 AM
Hope this isn't too off topic. I appologize if it is.
I've always liked the T/C pistols and am intrigued by the 7-30 Waters. Anybody have experience with it? What do you think? I would think it would be the cat's meow for whitetails.

cwbjaxfl
May 16, 2010, 08:51 AM
my gun shop has a used mint .243 with scope x100 for $550. i was oh so tempted to cancel my layaway on my p239 and get it.

MCgunner
May 16, 2010, 09:39 AM
I don't own a 7x30 Waters barrel, but that never stopped me from having an opinion. :D I really don't think it has any more potential as a hunting round than does .30-30. It can shoot a lighter bullet for a little more velocity and still have good SD and BCs are better than 30 caliber. But, I don't get real hot about BCs in pistol loads. I'd probably shoot a 140 in it. It's as good as .30-30, might shoot a little farther, but you'll need to handload it, of course. My .30-30 sill shoot 200 yards just fine, given a steady rest. I just don't see that 7x30 Waters has that much on the .30-30.

Another load for which I do have a barrel that I've considered scoping and using on deer now that I'm not shooting any IHMSA anymore is 7mm TCU. It gets up there in the same velocity as .30-30 even with a 150 grain match king bullet. Pretty amazing. But, it works at higher pressures, having a small case head, based on the .223 brass which is ubiquitous as .30-30 brass. It must be fire formed after necking up. It is very accurate and efficient and standard deviations tend to be very low. It is also quite a bit less recoil than .30-30, in an uncompensated barrel. I'm getting over 2000 fps shy of 2100 fps with the 150 grain bullet and this from a 10" barrel. Pretty impressive. My .30-30 shoots about 2100 fps with a 150 Nosler BT and it's got a 12" hunter barrel, though the last inch or so is compensator.

22-rimfire
May 16, 2010, 12:41 PM
I tend to favor states including handguns (straight wall cartridges of 357 or larger) as part of the black powder season for deer. The definition of what a handgun caliber has somewhat blurred since BFR and TC Contenders came out years ago. I consider a Contender or similar handgun chambered for any necked cartridge just a short stocked rifle. If I had a Contender, I would choose the 30-30 win for deer hunting. I will eventually get one if I continue hunting.

Using a handgun for hunting is a challenge. It is a challenge the shooter has to work to meet within some reasonable definition of ability to shoot with some consistancy and accuracy no matter what caliber you choose.

I have chosen revolvers as my platform so far. I think the potential handgun hunter needs to consider their practical capabilities along with a match between a handgun and caliber whether it be 357 mag or 500 S&W. Shooting the big bores is a hoot. It hurts sometimes.

Jump into the sport and enjoy the challenge. 243 barrel in a Contender... sure. I would prefer something a little larger. I feel the same about a rifle choice for deer hunting even though a 243 from a rifle is much more powerful than shot from a short barrel platform.

Scrapperz
May 16, 2010, 12:51 PM
This works good for me.

http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=68&pictureid=247

MachIVshooter
May 16, 2010, 01:24 PM
And, let's face it, .460 and .500 Smith strain the definition of a handgun round, don't ya think, straight case or no?

Well, no, since they were designed and intended for handguns. But it's not just the cartridge that I'm considering. The XP and thompsons are rifle actions with near-rifle length barrels (12"-16") in most cases, and often equipped with bi-pods.

If you have a hang up about rifle cartridges in handguns, that's your problem.

I don't think anyone is berating them, just syaing that they really blur the lines between handgun and rifle, and to some of us, don't really seem like handgun hunting. To me, killing a deer at 150 yards with a 7mm-08 contender fired from a bi-pod isn't really much of an accomplishment. I mean, when I had a scope on my PLR-16, I could hold sub-2" 100 yard groups off a rest. The PLR is definitely not as inherently accurate as a Contender or XP-100.

But steadying a Super Blackhawk .44 mag against a tree and dropping Bambi at 85 yards shows some skill with a pistol. Especially if it's open-sighted.

S&Wfan
May 23, 2010, 04:16 PM
I once went the T/C route, but I've come full circle as a handgun hunter. I really don't see the need of a caliber larger than .44 Magnum in a handgun to humanely dispatch deer with consistent authority.

Then again . . . what does "need" have when we want a new gun!!!;)

Yep, I'll stick with my Model 29 . . . and 300 grain hunting ammo. Plenty of bullet to do the job right.

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/363/363373/folders/282194/2432721200911048ptwp.jpg

358Hammer
May 23, 2010, 05:15 PM
I have taken quite a number of animals with my Smith's. For "typical " close up brush country hunting my 44's and 45's are just what it takes to satisfy my handgunner needs.

http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk460/emeraldislandlover/SoldotnaBrownBear.jpg

I have been in the above situation more times than I wish to remember. Combine the lowland brush country traveling where these big guys spend most of their time, with the wide open spaces of the alpine country in Alaska and at the ranges one typically takes sheep,deer,goats and these old eyes just do not make me comfortable with the end results. I am sure if you ask the gentleman in the picture if the 454 was enough gun or if he would have rather had his 338 anything, I would bet he would have chosen the 338. Most people don't carry rifles walking down the street in or near town though.

Two August's ago two fathers with two twelve year old sons were walking down a logging road quite a distance from salmon filled streams when one son (following some distance behind) screech, dad. Both fathers hearing the terror spun with 300 Mags facing forward at the same time. Both simultaneously some a very large brownie and fired from the hip's from point blank knocking what later was identified a full grown sow brown bear sideways where she skidded to a stop twenty feet past them, turned to take up the fight again when both put 180 grain partitions in her head.

Needs very depending on the area you live.

Neal

trickyasafox
May 23, 2010, 06:47 PM
I have used a TC Encore in 7mm-08 w/ a 15in barrel- but frankly it was just not well suited to where I hunt. That long barrel and the cartridge, though effective- really aren't necessary for shots 50 yards and under (nearly all of what I see)

so I switched to a 10 inch 44 mag barrel, and couldn't be happier.

flipajig
May 24, 2010, 02:49 PM
IMO it all comes down to different strokes for different folks. one feller says that it dosent take much skill to shoot a tender or a encor at any distance 100 yds or better. I have shot a tender at 100 and even out to 200 -250 yds and it takes more than what you think. as for a 7-30 waters they are a great rd. I have one its 15'' made by Bullberry and when i do my part it will shoo sub moa at 100 every time. A 120 grn or 140 grn bullet works great my gun likes the 140's better and im getting 2200 fps with a 140 grn Nosler BT. it works great on deer and pigs. And its pure pleasure to shoot the recoil is less than my 30-30 barrel and i get the same results.

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