[bullwhip1867]

I recently discovered this while cleaning out the closet of a deceased relative. I know nothing of firearms and there is no manufacturer on the gun. I was hoping that someone on this forum might recognize the gun and be able to tell me something about it. Thanks for your time.


http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af357/Bullwhip1867/Airguns%20and%20Parts%20For%20Sale/DSCF0024.jpg

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af357/Bullwhip1867/Airguns%20and%20Parts%20For%20Sale/DSCF0025.jpg

[Shadow 7D]

Your pictures are out of focus, and unless your playing the can you identify it GAME, you should also include any information on the pistol, esp. the country of origin and makers name OR hallmarks

[bullwhip1867]

I apologize for the poor quality of the pics but it is the best my camera can do. As I said in the original post, there is no maker identified. Given the family history, I'm guessing he picked it up during WWII, when he was in just about every country in Europe. There appear to be 3 armourer's marks, only one of which I can make out. It is a crown over an R.

I'm not playing GAMES. I know nothing of firearms and don't even own one. I just thought this might be a place where friendly and knowledgeable people would try to give a guy a hand.

[Shadow 7D]

OK, odd guns often come up, and about once or twice a month somebody finds a jewel, (which for the can you Identify it game, yours actually would be pretty good)

They usually mark it in the post title

the vest pocket, concealed hammer, collapsible trigger, REVOLVER was popular in the early 1900 / late 1800's

6.35 is .25, the most common .25 is .25 ACP, but there were others.

You need to work with the camera, put the gun on a dark bed sheet, that will help, more diffused light, and no flash, take a white crayon and rub it over the marks, look under the crane where the cylnder is, that is one spot where the maker usually put information.

For European pistol they have to go through a Proof house, and every proof house has specific Hallmarks, which would give a country of manufacture or in some cases sale.

Some of these revolvers are worth alot of money, others are not.

[Mp7]

google Velo Dog Revolver.

Maaany of them were made, by many lil shops, too.

[SDC]

This revolver is almost certainly Belgian, as they used the "crowned R" as a proofmark for rifled ("rayee") guns; for more information, you're going to have to take some better pictures, with closeups of the markings. You might also find the initials of the maker stamped on the grip frame underneath the grip plates.

[bullwhip1867]

I had a friend with a much better camera take these pics. Hope it helps.

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af357/Bullwhip1867/Airguns%20and%20Parts%20For%20Sale/marks_body.jpg

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af357/Bullwhip1867/Airguns%20and%20Parts%20For%20Sale/marks_drum.jpg

[Jim K]

I think things got off to a bad start, but hope this will help and straighten things out.

It is a common European pocket revolver of the late 19th and early 20th century. They generally sold new for the equivalent of $3-4, the same price range as our inexpensive revolvers of the time. While the .25 ACP (6.35mm) is usually thought of as an automatic pistol cartridge, it and the larger .32 ACP (7.65mm) have a small rim and those revolvers were often made in those calibers. Most were made in Belgium and an oval with the letters E L G (the Liege proofmark) would confirm that. (Edited after seeing the second set of pictures - yes, it was made in Belgium.)

The value is negligible, perhaps $50-100 as a novelty, if it is functional. It is probably safe to fire but remember that it is probably at least 100 years old so use discretion.

It is made in the same general way as many of the so-called Velo-Dog revolvers, but it is not really one of those, since it does not fire the Velo-Dog cartridge. Briefly, the Velo-Dog was a fairly powerful .22 caliber center fire cartridge made to allow people riding bicycles ("velocipedes") to protect themselves from attacks by dogs, hence the "velo-dog" name. That revolver cylinder is much too short to take the Velo-Dog round.

Jim

[bullwhip1867]

I'm back to my p-poor camera, but here's a couple of pics of the ammo that was with the gun.

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af357/Bullwhip1867/DSCF0026.jpg

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af357/Bullwhip1867/DSCF0029.jpg

[Jim K]

The ammo appears to be European 6.35mm Browning, known here as the .25 ACP. As I said, a common caliber in those revolvers. It most likely uses corrosive primers so any gun in which it is fired should be cleaned immediately.

Jim

[bullwhip1867]

My thanks to everyone for the info. I at least now have a general idea of what it is I have. It is much appreciated.