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Hondo 60
May 17, 2010, 09:48 AM
As long as we're on the 223 kick.

What's your favorite powder for reloading .223, why, and for what type of rifle?


I reload for an AR-15 & use Reloder 15 just because that's what the fun store had on hand.
I'll probably switch to a Hodgdon brand when this is gone because Alliant's reloading data leaves a lot to be desired.
I use Hodgdon's Titegroup for my pistol reloading & like the way they have the reloading section laid out.

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NCsmitty
May 17, 2010, 10:00 AM
I'm currently using H4895 in my 223 14" T. Contender with CCI 400 primer and 52gr Nosler custom competition bullet.



NCsmitty

tkcomer
May 17, 2010, 10:08 AM
I use Ramshot's Tac in the two AR-15s I have. I used to use Win 748, but Tac was on sale so I tried it. Couldn't tell a difference. I use lighter bullets in the 1x12 gun and heavier in the 1x9.

SlamFire1
May 17, 2010, 10:25 AM
I like the short cut stick powders.

I used kegs of AA2520, which is a ball powder, but the stuff leaves so much residue, and I have experienced "settling" issues at 600 yards with the stuff, I don't use it except at 100 yard reduced matches anymore.

Saturday I shot XTC with a .223 using AA4064 with 69's. AA4064 is a short cut stick powder. It shoots bug eyed groups groups, but is too slow in a Wilson match barrel. However, my .223 Krieger barrel is so tight that the velocities kick right up. I used that out to 300 yards.

At 600 yards I used N140. This is a short cut powder and shoots exceptionally well.

I have buds who use Varget. That is a great powder.

I prefer stick powders. Stick powders are more predictable, have a wider sweet spot than ball. Ball powders throw well but you can't prove on target, with a hand held rifle, that it shoots any better.

Hondo 60
May 17, 2010, 10:50 AM
My reason for asking is that I'm trying to learn.
This is my first attempt at reloading anything other than handguns -
9mm, .38 spl & .357 mag

By the way my ar is 1 in 9 & I bought some 60 gr soft point blems from MidwayUSA.

jhansman
May 17, 2010, 11:42 AM
My bolt target rifle loves H322 and my Saiga .223 uses H335. Have never been able to cook up 4198 or Varget recipes that are consistently accurate.

Kernel
May 17, 2010, 11:43 AM
I like to match powder burn rate too bullet weight. For light bullets (45gr & down) I like 10x, 3031, and H335. With midweight bullets I like 4895, 748, and N135. Heavy bullets (over 60gr) I like Varget and RL15. If I had to pick one to do it all, I'd go with Winchester 748. In .223 I shoot a 20” and a 16” AR, a 22” Ruger bolt, and 12” T/C Contender.

cheygriz
May 17, 2010, 11:48 AM
H335 was specifically engineered by Winchester for the 5.56X45 MM, ball, M193 ammo. It's the best I've found. AAC#2230 is also superb for M193 and and M855 bullets

Hangingrock
May 17, 2010, 11:53 AM
I would not be that dismissive of RX15. There are other data sources than Alliant such as Lyman 49th Ed.

Canuck-IL
May 17, 2010, 01:05 PM
Their web site may not be great but the powders are. RL-15 and Varget are probably the 2 most common powders for Highpower shooters that are using 223s. For 69gr and above anyway ... lighter bullets I'd try 335 and 748.
/Bryan

Wahoo95
May 17, 2010, 01:08 PM
Yeah I like Varget and RL-15

ForneyRider
May 17, 2010, 03:13 PM
I prefer a short cut or ball powder for .223.

Had good luck with Varget and R15, but for smaller bullets like 40gr and 50gr, it is hard to get enough powder in there to reach factory velocities.

I use Benchmark and AA2230 mostly. I would also use W748, IMR 8208 XBR, etc.

hub
May 17, 2010, 03:27 PM
I get great groups using Varget with the larger 77gr matchkings, and 80 gr. Amax in my 1:8 twist NM ar.

I also got pretty good results with Varget using 55gr. dogtown sp bullets in my 1:9 varmint ar.

I just picked up some h335 to try with them next. I'm thinking it should be even better than Varget with the lighter bullets. When I get some loaded up I will post some results.

flashhole
May 17, 2010, 03:44 PM
cheygriz wrote "H335 was specifically engineered by Winchester for the 5.56X45 MM, ball, M193 ammo. It's the best I've found. AAC#2230 is also superb for M193 and and M855 bullets"

Isn't H335 a Hodgdon powder?

I like several different powders for the 223. For light bullets I have had good luck with Reloader 10X and Hodgdon BL-C(2). For heavier bullets I like both Varget and H4895.
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Devilfrog
May 17, 2010, 04:49 PM
Been using AA2230 for my 55 grain FMJ bullets
Varget for my 68 grain HPBT bullets

kutter
May 17, 2010, 06:20 PM
I am using BL-C(2) beneath a 69gr or 75gr for my 1:9 Sig.

JimKirk
May 17, 2010, 06:27 PM
Reloder 10X and Reloader 15 work well in my short barreled(16") .223. 10X works well up to 55 grs bullets, RL 15 55grs and up.

Jimmy K

243winxb
May 17, 2010, 06:41 PM
IMR 4198 Why, because i have 1/2 a case of the stuff. M16A1 Carbine 14"bbl. Mini-14. T/
C Contender. AR180. Win M70. Savage O/U . IMR4198 may not work the action of some AR rifles with lite (40to55gr) bullets, even with maximum loadings. Has to do with the size of the gas port drilled in the barrel and its location.

Ala Dan
May 17, 2010, 07:05 PM
X-Terminator for accuracy, and clean burning ~! ;) :D

shootinxd
May 17, 2010, 08:38 PM
AA2230 in AR 16" with 55grn winchesters.BL C2 didnt work for me.

janobles14
May 17, 2010, 08:43 PM
varget (if i can find it) is my favorite hands down.

Ky Larry
May 17, 2010, 11:05 PM
AA-2460 because it shoots every .224 bullet I've tried from 40-60gr. I have an old Ruger two tone Model-77V, 1-12" twist, Nikon Monarch 5.5-16.5X44 AO scope. Also likes AA-2230 and IMR-4064 in heavier bullets. Tried H335 but it just didn't give quiet as good accuracy. YMMV.

the recoil junky
May 17, 2010, 11:25 PM
I've been gone awhile, but this sound like a good place to "restart".

I used to use H335 and IMR4198, but about a while back a shooting friend told me about Benchmark, so I picked up a pound and tried it in my 788. Now I use it exclusively in both my 788's in .223, my 788 in .222 and my 700SPS Varmint in .223. I think you can see the trend here. :D

RJ

medalguy
May 17, 2010, 11:50 PM
I bought a lot of WC844 recently and I've been using that with excellent results. The price was good, I think $94 for 8 pound jugs and free shipping and hazmat with every case of 4 jugs so I stocked up.:rolleyes: It's still available from Hi Tech Ammo. It's the same as H335 since it's pulldown powder from military loads.

I shoot in an M16 so I'm not necessarily looking for the greatest accuracy although what I have measured is as good as USGI ball ammo, about 1.5 to 2 inches at 100 yards, good enough for my needs.

Clark
May 18, 2010, 01:11 AM
For shooting thousands of rodents, I like Blue Dot, but it is advanced reloading to check that it metered correctly.
The powder is peaky, and should be loaded at ~ 35,000 psi. It burns so clean, after 1,000 rounds, a cleaning patch comes out looking like one round was fired.

For high velocity, H335. SAAMI registered max average pressure is 55,000 psi, but the case head is good for 75,000 psi, and H335 has the density for the extra powder needed for me to take advantage of the potential.

For approaching 5,000 fps bragging rights, H110 and light bullets are the best I have found.

Rokman
May 18, 2010, 10:25 PM
Varget, RL15, TAC, Benchmark, and H4895 in my AR's. I have been working with RL10X lately, but the jury still out on that one so far. I have had good luck with H335, AA2230 and Ramshot X-terminator also. TAC may be my favorite, but I have several favorites because I load a lot of .223 and in a lot of bullet weights and types.

Redneck with a 40
May 18, 2010, 11:17 PM
I've settled on IMR-4895 for my 55 grain and 62 grain bullets. It doesn't deliver top velocity, but it shoots really well out of my Mini-14.

Eb1
May 18, 2010, 11:27 PM
like most rifles that require a medium burning powder. there isn't a best to be honest. you can find a load using most powders suited for the caliber.

for me. H335 or H4895 when I had my AR15. I will not give the best one away, but it is one of those two IMO. You should try both, and make your own decision. It will not take long for you to figure this one out. :neener:

Kernel
May 19, 2010, 01:34 AM
Clark wrote:I like Blue Dot, but it is advanced reloading .... For approaching 5,000 fps ... H110 :confused::confused::confused::eek::what:

Blue Dot and H110. Now, thatís marching to the tune of a different drummer! Dude, I want the bench next to yours at the range. Well, on second thought, maybe one bench over. ;)

04JRB
May 19, 2010, 10:06 AM
After trying a few different powders, my .223 like H-335 the best. Varget was a close second.

Damon555
May 19, 2010, 10:15 AM
H335 (WC844) is what my AR gets to eat. You can use it with almost any bullet weight.

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Clark
May 19, 2010, 01:28 PM
Kernel Member
Clark wrote:
Quote:
I like Blue Dot, but it is advanced reloading .... For approaching 5,000 fps ... H110


Blue Dot and H110. Now, thatís marching to the tune of a different drummer! Dude, I want the bench next to yours at the range. Well, on second thought, maybe one bench over.

I learned about Blue Dot loads in 223 [in April 2004 for shooting ground squirrels in mass in Oregon] from Seafire. He learned it from James Calhoon's website.
http://www.jamescalhoon.com/
http://www.jamescalhoon.com/tobee2.php
I was shooting hundreds of ground squirrels in 2004 with 13 gr Blue Dot 60 gr HNDY TAP ~ 2800 fps ~ 30,000 psi.
Since then I have moved to 33 gr Vmax 15 gr Blue Dot ~ 3500 fps ~ 35,000 psi, and I have shot thousands of rodents with that.

Trying to set new 223 records for my chronograph, I knew that H335 was too slow for light bullets and Blue Dot was too fast for light bullets, so I experimented with H110.

ForneyRider
May 20, 2010, 09:58 AM
I can shoot buckets of .223 with common rifle powders and not have to clean. In an AR no less.

giggitygiggity
May 20, 2010, 11:47 AM
H335. It is one of the cheapest powders per round and is usually available.

375shooter
May 20, 2010, 04:38 PM
I've always got best results with AA 2015 BR in my .223 M700 BDL using 40 to 50 grain bullets. It has given the best accuracy with great velocity. Other good powders I've used are AA 2230, H 335 and BLC2. One powder that my rifle does not like is W 748.

Hondo 60
May 20, 2010, 05:00 PM
375shooter:

In what way does your rifle not like it? What happens?

flashhole
May 20, 2010, 07:01 PM
I did not care for W748 either. Too quick a raport compred to other powders and not very forgiving. Very small changes in charge weight made the difference between a safe load and an over pressure load. My 223 has a 24" barrel and does much better with slower powders, even when using light bullets.

ArchAngelCD
May 21, 2010, 02:42 AM
I haven't been loading for the .223 long but in my bolt rifle I get the best results with H335.

Rokman
May 21, 2010, 01:47 PM
H335. It is one of the cheapest powders per round and is usually available.

I agree that H335 is an excellent powder, but it is not as readily available at the online sites that I usually purchase from. I have started using Benchmark instead of H335 since I tend to like extruded powders more.

I think X-terminator and Tac are excellent spherical powders for .223 and are usually cheaper and shouldn't be overlooked for economical, quality loads.

mboylan
May 21, 2010, 09:24 PM
Varget for longer barrels and heavy bullets. BL-C2 for SBRs.

375shooter
May 25, 2010, 11:22 AM
375shooter:

In what way does your rifle not like it? What happens?
Yurko:

I should have specified. The only thing about W748, in my .223, is that it gets lousy accuracy (compared to the other powders listed).

mregunz
May 25, 2010, 12:55 PM
I have a howa with a pac-nor brl. That Is a palma 28" in a .223 40* ack.It's a good dinger.And fast for a .223.I shoot H4895.I work'd up a ld. with H322 It shot good to but can't as much vel.So I went back to old tried and true.H4895,cause it shoot harder with out the pres. spike so fast. I made mine for speed and accy.It runz a 50 grn.at about 3600fps.Which is what the twist is for I got it in a 14twist.Them v-max's are good killerz on P.dog's.I can get about 100ft. more outta my gun with H4895 than I can with H322.and not pressured up either. I quit when I get any dishin on pri...Anyway that's my 2 cent's worth for what it's worth.

mineralman55
May 25, 2010, 01:22 PM
Anyone here use Accurate 2520 in their .223? Accurate lists a bunch of loads, but I wanted to see how cleanly it burns, actions your AR, etc.

NuJudge
May 25, 2010, 03:38 PM
I'm with Kernel, and I match powder to the bullet. I only shoot the .223 in ARs.

I like 26.5gr 748 with 52gr bullets and CCI primers in LC or WW cases. I've heard of this not shooting well in any rifle that will shoot at all.

I like H or IMR 4895 with 69gr bullets.

I like RL 15 with 80's.

I've never gotten good results with Varget in the .223.

ghitch75
May 25, 2010, 03:57 PM
i use varget 25gr 62gr in my mini's....never have had a bit of trouble...

alsaqr
May 25, 2010, 07:23 PM
I did a lot of experimenting with various .223 powders in the late 60s. Settled on IMR 3031 for my.223/5.56mm rifles and have not looked back. I don't use bullets lighter than 45 grains or heavier than 55 grains in the .223.

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