Most accurate .22 LR ammunition?


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stinger 327
May 19, 2010, 12:51 PM
This would be for sighting in a Browning Buckmark and a Ruger 10/22 rifle with open sights?
Hypervelocity
.22 LR CCI Stingers?
CCI Qwik Shok
Aguilar
Remington Vipers
Remington Yellow Jackets
?

Regular .22 LR 40 grain
CCI
Aguilar
?
:confused:

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BikerNut
May 19, 2010, 01:59 PM
Similar questions ("which .22LR is the most accurate?") have been posted numerous times. Here's the way to REALLY know:

Buy one 50-rd. box of a bunch of different ammo, as many different as you can find: hypervelocity, standard velocity, subsonic, plated, lead, etc. and try them all.

Shoot ten 5-rd. groups from each box, cleaning the barrel before beginning the next test.

This takes a while, obviously, but it doesn't have to be done all in one day. But using an indoor range helps keep the results from being affected by changing wind and weather.

If you're planning to compete, or want to get head shots on rabbits at 100 yds., and really need to know what works best, then that's what you have to do (if you're just planning on plinking, then it's a waste of time and you should just buy whatever's on sale).

Compare the groups on the targets for each different brand. Score them if that helps to make distinctions. I find that each gun will tell you what ammo it likes best. No two are alike.

My 10/22 shoots best with plain old CCI standard velocity, better than with any of the expensive match ammo I tried. My Single Six did best with Federal Gold Medal Target 711B, a standard velocity lead round nose that's supposed to be a cheaper practice round for the more expensive Federal Gold Medal Match and UltraMatch.

I tried all the expensive and well-known match ammo from Eley, Lapua, RWS, etc., but the above brands actually scored best.

Your results will vary. What works for me an others may not work for you.

FYI, best accuracy will usually be obtained with standard velocity or subsonic lead round nose bullets (target ammo) rather than Stingers, Vipers, Yellow Jackets, etc.

ArmedBear
May 19, 2010, 02:03 PM
In a pistol, I have found Federal Lightnings ($1.47/50 at our Wal Mart) to have match-grade accuracy and reliability. Pistols make just about everything subsonic, unless you go to a hyper-velocity round.

Rifles, especially finicky things like 10/22s, you have to try a lot more ammo IME as a competitive .22 pistol shooter and a former 10/22 owner.:)

stinger 327
May 19, 2010, 02:22 PM
Very interesting on both answers. In the past I found that the 10/22 liked the Blazer lead nose bullets made by CCI? (CCI Blazer lead point ammo). Which is probably is standard velocity and weight .22 LR which is the cheap stuff.
The Buckmark Pistol still not sure. I think if you shoot too many of those CCI hypervelocity Stinger bullets won't that gum up the barrel worse?

bhk
May 19, 2010, 05:29 PM
Most folks will not realize match grade accuracy from any ammo using a handgun or 10/22 with open sights. Shoot what you can find for sighting in. As previous posters have mentioned, there is no way in knowing what YOUR guns will like best, but then again, with the handgun or open sighted 10/22 it won't really be that noticable.

In the case of the guns you're are shooting, you might be more interested in absolute reliability than accuracy potential that can't be realized. CCI ammo generally is very highly rated in the reliability department, and the CCI standard velocity often quite accurate in most guns. Realize that if your change ammo TYPES (standard velocity, high velocity, hyper velocity, etc.) you may have significant changes in your point of impact.

stinger 327
May 20, 2010, 12:56 AM
Most folks will not realize match grade accuracy from any ammo using a handgun or 10/22 with open sights. Shoot what you can find for sighting in. As previous posters have mentioned, there is no way in knowing what YOUR guns will like best, but then again, with the handgun or open sighted 10/22 it won't really be that noticable.

In the case of the guns your are shooting, you might be more interested in absolute reliablitly than accuracy potential that can't be realized. CCI ammo generally is very highly rated in the reliability department, and the CCI standard velocity often quite accurate in most guns. Realize that if your change ammo TYPES (standard velocity, high velocity, hyper velocity, etc.) you may have significant changes in your point of impact.
On the lower cost Federal .22 LR's I noticed I get more misfires with those. With the hypervelocity rounds they all go bang.

kedearian
May 20, 2010, 06:06 AM
I just buy what ever I can get in bulk, and adjust sights on my 10/22. Out to 50 yards most ammo will group inside of a 1/2 inch, beyond that I'm not to worried as it's a 22, not trying to take a 600 yard shot.

bannockburn
May 20, 2010, 06:11 AM
With my Ruger 10/22 rifle and Mk.II pistol, I consistently get great accuracy (and reliability), from Wolf Match Target and CCI MiniMags. Tried a lot of different manufacturers and types and these two have always performed the best in my guns.

garyhan
May 20, 2010, 06:24 AM
Of course, guns are very much individuals, but I have had consistently excellent results from Winchester Power Points. In a match grade round, RWs is excellent (but expensive).

gary

22-rimfire
May 20, 2010, 08:58 AM
What kind of accuracy are you seeking? If you are seeking the greatest accuracy, more than likely you are in the $10+ per 50-ct box price range. But with open sights, you will likely be hard pressed to see a significant cost accuracy benefit with the expensive match grade ammo.

I think that you might be better served mounting a scope on the Ruger 10/22 if you are seeking the best accuracy from that rifle. I don't shoot match grade ammo in my 10/22 as I don't see the benefit from a cost point of view. But if you want to shoot some good ammo and try it out, buy some Wolf Match Target or Wolf Match Extra and give those a try. Give CCI Standard Velocity 22LR a try.

I typically shoot lower priced ammo in my 10/22. You generally will not see the best accuracy with hyper velocity 22LR ammo. It is intended for hunting and the accuracy or precision requirements aren't as high as standard velocity ammo. But it's fun to shoot as it gives a louder bang. Try CCI Velocitors but you will have to test them all to see which of these shoot better in your rifle.

I tend to shoot Federal Lightnings the most in my 10/22 and pistols where I am not trying for extreme accuracy. Give the bulk packs a try. You may not see a significant increase in your precision unless you mount a scope.

NavyLCDR
May 20, 2010, 10:35 AM
Wolf Target ammo for me too.

Justin
May 20, 2010, 10:41 AM
In descending order of cost:

Eley
Wolf Match Extra
Wolf Match
CCI Standard Veclocity

SlamFire1
May 20, 2010, 10:52 AM
Wolf Extra Target Match

M52 D 100 yards

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/SlamFire/Targets/WinM52D100-7X-1-1.jpg

H&R M12 100 yards

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/SlamFire/Targets/634ebf66.jpg

searcher451
May 20, 2010, 04:18 PM
I suspect that the question depends greatly on which firearm you are firing the .22 ammo through, as some are simply better than others. That having been said, I've always had excellent luck with CCIs of any variety, and especially Mini-Mags. Good stuff there, to be sure. I've never tried Wolf but will have to, based on the recommendations listed here. Thanks.

aka108
May 20, 2010, 04:42 PM
I shoot informally and have found that Eley Sport does great at a reasonable price.

Rembrandt
May 20, 2010, 06:15 PM
Most accurate?......Eley Tennex, also the most expensive.

stinger 327
May 21, 2010, 02:01 AM
I just buy what ever I can get in bulk, and adjust sights on my 10/22. Out to 50 yards most ammo will group inside of a 1/2 inch, beyond that I'm not to worried as it's a 22, not trying to take a 600 yard shot.
Would 100 yards be too far for a .22 LR with a peep sight?

stinger 327
May 21, 2010, 02:05 AM
What kind of accuracy are you seeking? If you are seeking the greatest accuracy, more than likely you are in the $10+ per 50-ct box price range. But with open sights, you will likely be hard pressed to see a significant cost accuracy benefit with the expensive match grade ammo.

I think that you might be better served mounting a scope on the Ruger 10/22 if you are seeking the best accuracy from that rifle. I don't shoot match grade ammo in my 10/22 as I don't see the benefit from a cost point of view. But if you want to shoot some good ammo and try it out, buy some Wolf Match Target or Wolf Match Extra and give those a try. Give CCI Standard Velocity 22LR a try.

I typically shoot lower priced ammo in my 10/22. You generally will not see the best accuracy with hyper velocity 22LR ammo. It is intended for hunting and the accuracy or precision requirements aren't as high as standard velocity ammo. But it's fun to shoot as it gives a louder bang. Try CCI Velocitors but you will have to test them all to see which of these shoot better in your rifle.

I tend to shoot Federal Lightnings the most in my 10/22 and pistols where I am not trying for extreme accuracy. Give the bulk packs a try. You may not see a significant increase in your precision unless you mount a scope.
When I use the CCI Stinger, Qwik Shok, Viper, Yellow Jacket, those two hot 22's from
Aguilar 1,750 and 1,700 fps I do notice a big difference in recoil compared to the plain Federal lead nose bullets and the CCI Blazer lead nose bullets.

22-rimfire
May 21, 2010, 12:39 PM
100 yards is not too far with a 22 rifle with peep sights. Regular HV rounds drop about 5" at that range relative to a 50 yard sight in. Many do it. I tend to shoot at 50 and 25 yards personally. 100 yards is too far for me with regular factory open sights unless I'm just plinking.

Yes, there is a significant difference between the high velocity and hypervelocity rounds in terms of velocity and feel. Typically the accuracy is not as good as standard velocity loads. So, you choose the load to match your use.

CraigC
May 21, 2010, 01:05 PM
Every firearm is a law unto itself. There is no way to predict, other than that more expensive target ammo tends to shoot proportionally better than bulk stuff. You have to try them all and see.

...and don't believe what you hear about "match grade accuracy" and open sights.

A and O
May 21, 2010, 01:11 PM
+1 for WOLF TARGET MATCH

That said, WOLF does not make .22 Ammo. They contract with SK Jagd of Germany for their .22 ammo. If you really like SK MATCH you will like WOLF .22 MATCH EXTRA TARGET, it is identical and made on the same runs. The box is the only difference.

That said, JK is owned by Lapua/Vihtavouri of Finland which are all under the ownership of the NAMMO GROUP, NAMMO is short for Nordic Ammunition which is a Defense Contractor that produces Commercial Ammunition/Components as a sideline.

Yes, the Wolf is actually a Lapua Brand with Vihtavouri Powder with a WOLF price.

IMHO the WOLF 22 line is the Best in terms of accuracy and value. Word is getting out and this line is sometimes hard to find in stock. When I find it on sale I buy the max that I can under the sale pricing. The last order was for 1,500 rounds (3 boxes) through Cabellas. The total with shipping was $139.00. It was on sale and I had a code for $20.00 off. That works out to a little over .09 ea rnd.

The only downside is that it has a waxy coating on it. You will have to use it to understand what I'm saying. The coating does not gum up your action, it just gets on your hands while reloading your mags.

My .15 (inflation: It is caused by an artificial increase in the money supply)

stinger 327
May 21, 2010, 02:22 PM
I thought Wolf was the worse and cheapest ammo you could get for all calibers. Most common in 7.62 X 39 and .223 and now handgun calibers.:uhoh::eek::confused:

stinger 327
May 21, 2010, 02:28 PM
What kind of accuracy are you seeking? If you are seeking the greatest accuracy, more than likely you are in the $10+ per 50-ct box price range. But with open sights, you will likely be hard pressed to see a significant cost accuracy benefit with the expensive match grade ammo.

I think that you might be better served mounting a scope on the Ruger 10/22 if you are seeking the best accuracy from that rifle. I don't shoot match grade ammo in my 10/22 as I don't see the benefit from a cost point of view. But if you want to shoot some good ammo and try it out, buy some Wolf Match Target or Wolf Match Extra and give those a try. Give CCI Standard Velocity 22LR a try.

I typically shoot lower priced ammo in my 10/22. You generally will not see the best accuracy with hyper velocity 22LR ammo. It is intended for hunting and the accuracy or precision requirements aren't as high as standard velocity ammo. But it's fun to shoot as it gives a louder bang. Try CCI Velocitors but you will have to test them all to see which of these shoot better in your rifle.

I tend to shoot Federal Lightnings the most in my 10/22 and pistols where I am not trying for extreme accuracy. Give the bulk packs a try. You may not see a significant increase in your precision unless you mount a scope.
At this time I don't want to put on a scope because I like the quick acquisition and locking onto target with open sights. If I were to get a scope it would probably be a Nikon Bushmaster with BDC but that is about $220. Also with a scope the rifle will be that much larger.

22-rimfire
May 21, 2010, 02:56 PM
I've used scopes on 22 rifles for a long time. I used to shoot rabbits on the jump with a scoped 22 semi-auto rifle. Everyone has their own idea of what works for them. Maybe you need to concentrate on the open sights and upgrade them to something a bit more precise if you are looking for precision. Good luck.

A and O
May 21, 2010, 03:39 PM
stinger 327 and everybody else.

Yes the WOLF is junk in all calibers outside of the .22 In my post I stated that WOLF does not produce .22 Ammo, they have contracted with SK (LAPUA) of Germany to produce their .22 ammo. IMHO it is the best ammunition value ever to be made available to the general public. To each His own and your opinion will vary because of the variables present.

Anybody who reloads should know the value of LAPUA Bullets & Brass and VIHTAVOURI powder assembled in a SK facility.

I'm just trying to share what appears to be a little known great value that may not live much longer. Get it while you can if your interested.

Thanks All and have a great weekend.

stinger 327
May 21, 2010, 06:05 PM
stinger 327 and everybody else.

Yes the WOLF is junk in all calibers outside of the .22 In my post I stated that WOLF does not produce .22 Ammo, they have contracted with SK (LAPUA) of Germany to produce their .22 ammo. IMHO it is the best ammunition value ever to be made available to the general public. To each His own and your opinion will vary because of the variables present.

Anybody who reloads should know the value of LAPUA Bullets & Brass and VIHTAVOURI powder assembled in a SK facility.

I'm just trying to share what appears to be a little known great value that may not live much longer. Get it while you can if your interested.

Thanks All and have a great weekend.
Where can you buy this .22 Wolf ammo? I don't reload and only use factory loads.

dakota1911
May 21, 2010, 06:09 PM
I didn't know that. Very valuable information. I have passed up Wolf as I thought it was made in Russia and as nice as their .45 ACP rounds I tried.

stinger 327
May 21, 2010, 06:13 PM
I didn't know that. Very valuable information. I have passed up Wolf as I thought it was made in Russia and as nice as their .45 ACP rounds I tried.
If it's for an AK-47 I'm sure the Wolf brand in FMJ or the HP is fine. They sell these in 123 grains in small boxes of 20 anywhere from 4.95 to 6.95. I remember when they were only $2.95 per box. I have seen as well as in bulk.

I saw in Cabela's website I believe it was .223 made by another Russian company for $3.99 for a box of 20.

NMGonzo
May 21, 2010, 06:48 PM
Would 100 yards be too far for a .22 LR with a peep sight?

I cannot see the holes or the target at 100 yards

50 with an 4x scope ...yeah.

mboylan
May 21, 2010, 08:51 PM
I thought Wolf was the worse and cheapest ammo you could get for all calibers. Most common in 7.62 X 39 and .223 and now handgun calibers.:uhoh::eek::confused:
Wolf doesn't make ammo. They just distribute. They import cheap steel cased centerfire ammo from different Russian manufacturers. They import expensive match rimfire ammo from Germany. Wolf Match Target and SK Standard+ are exactly the same ammo produced on the same machines at the same factory. Some goes in a Wolf box. Some goes in an SK box.

22-rimfire
May 21, 2010, 10:16 PM
Places like Midway, Champions Choice, Champion Shooters Supply and other online retailes routinely sell Wolf and SK 22 ammo. It is the best 22 ammo I buy on any kind of a regular basis. Most of the other stuff is too expensive and not worth the price for my shooting needs (at this time).

What do you gain between typical bulk pack 22 ammo and Wolf Match Target? You often gain a couple 1/10ths of an inch on your group size.

351 WINCHESTER
May 21, 2010, 11:05 PM
I have had good luck with Remington subsonic. I have had good results with most European ammo too.

stinger 327
May 22, 2010, 01:43 AM
Places like Midway, Champions Choice, Champion Shooters Supply and other online retailes routinely sell Wolf and SK 22 ammo. It is the best 22 ammo I buy on any kind of a regular basis. Most of the other stuff is too expensive and not worth the price for my shooting needs (at this time).

What do you gain between typical bulk pack 22 ammo and Wolf Match Target? You often gain a couple 1/10ths of an inch on your group size.
but is this ammo ideal for hunting rabbits or squirrels/racoons pest and varmints?

nwilliams
May 22, 2010, 03:52 AM
I shoot Eley exclusively through my Anschutz Model 164.

It's expensive but you get what you pay for!

stinger 327
May 22, 2010, 04:58 AM
I shoot Eley exclusively through my Anschutz Model 164.

It's expensive but you get what you pay for!
Is this a low velocity round?

nwilliams
May 22, 2010, 05:06 AM
Is this a low velocity round?
1085 fps

50 yard group with Eley Match ammo. This is an old pic from when I had a Bushnell Trophy 1.75-4x32 scope mounted on this gun. I have a Bushnell 3-9x32 Multi-X scope mounted now and I'm getting consistent groups like this at 100 yards with it.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/Anschutz%20M164/anschutz-7.jpg

stinger 327
May 22, 2010, 05:52 AM
1085 fps

50 yard group with Eley Match ammo. This is an old pic from when I had a Bushnell Trophy 1.75-4x32 scope mounted on this gun. I have a Bushnell 3-9x32 Multi-X scope mounted now and I'm getting consistent groups like this at 100 yards with it.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/Anschutz%20M164/anschutz-7.jpg
I like hypervelocity for varmints and pests.

ole farmerbuck
May 22, 2010, 06:26 AM
When our Gibsons store was closing (about 15 years ago) I bought around 70 to 80,000 22 shells from them. Of them, the Winchester that are in a yellow box shoot verry nice in my Ruger.

Jubjub
May 22, 2010, 07:02 AM
I've had good luck with Wolf Match Target in 10/22s with aftermarket bull barrels. Here are some 50 yard groups shot on a calm day. The barrel on this gun is a 20" stainless barrel marked Hogue. No idea who made it for them, but they did pretty well. A Ruger factory barrel with a sporter chamber will not shoot like this, no matter what the ammo.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/obviousfakename/wolftgt.jpg

ole farmerbuck
May 22, 2010, 09:33 AM
Here's a cell ph pic of what my Ruger All Weather 77/22 shot with the Winchesters.
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn88/farmerbuck/twentytwo.jpg

stinger 327
May 22, 2010, 12:30 PM
1085 fps

50 yard group with Eley Match ammo. This is an old pic from when I had a Bushnell Trophy 1.75-4x32 scope mounted on this gun. I have a Bushnell 3-9x32 Multi-X scope mounted now and I'm getting consistent groups like this at 100 yards with it.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/Anschutz%20M164/anschutz-7.jpg
I have seen this Eley round for sale at Calbelas or Bass Pro Shops.

stinger 327
May 22, 2010, 12:32 PM
I've had good luck with Wolf Match Target in 10/22s with aftermarket bull barrels. Here are some 50 yard groups shot on a calm day. The barrel on this gun is a 20" stainless barrel marked Hogue. No idea who made it for them, but they did pretty well. A Ruger factory barrel with a sporter chamber will not shoot like this, no matter what the ammo.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/obviousfakename/wolftgt.jpg
Now that's some good shooting that pic is worth a thousand rounds I mean words. Can't do better than that.

a1bigtuna
May 24, 2010, 12:31 PM
I realize this thread is about accuracy, but hope this question is not too far out of bounds. I just recently started shooting again, after about a 20 year period of no shooting, no real reason, just stopped) and now when I shoot .22lr I get misfires, at least one, in each box different brands. Now, don't remember CCI doing that recently, but all the time when I was a kid or even 20 years later, don't remember so many misfires. Is this seen by a lot of you compared to the old times?

Mp7
May 24, 2010, 12:37 PM
.. whatever most guys in Biathlon use .... :)

might be pricey.

http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=898

http://www.lapua.com/uploads/RTEmagicC_X_act.jpg.jpg

....as someone said the Produce also "SK" brand.
But the ammo they make for many biathlon winning teams
must be on top of the list.

ole farmerbuck
May 24, 2010, 12:50 PM
I realize this thread is about accuracy, but hope this question is not too far out of bounds. I just recently started shooting again, after about a 20 year period of no shooting, no real reason, just stopped) and now when I shoot .22lr I get misfires, at least one, in each box different brands. Now, don't remember CCI doing that recently, but all the time when I was a kid or even 20 years later, don't remember so many misfires. Is this seen by a lot of you compared to the old times?
This is why i'm glad i stocked up a long time ago. Most of my 22 ammo is 15 years or so old. I do have a few bulk packs of new stuff and yes some misfires. Quality controll trying to roll out all they can ....fast!

stinger 327
May 24, 2010, 02:52 PM
I realize this thread is about accuracy, but hope this question is not too far out of bounds. I just recently started shooting again, after about a 20 year period of no shooting, no real reason, just stopped) and now when I shoot .22lr I get misfires, at least one, in each box different brands. Now, don't remember CCI doing that recently, but all the time when I was a kid or even 20 years later, don't remember so many misfires. Is this seen by a lot of you compared to the old times?
Yes I have the same problems. I notice this on .22LR only. Lots of misfires.

22-rimfire
May 24, 2010, 06:09 PM
I realize this thread is about accuracy, but hope this question is not too far out of bounds. I just recently started shooting again, after about a 20 year period of no shooting, no real reason, just stopped) and now when I shoot .22lr I get misfires, at least one, in each box different brands. Now, don't remember CCI doing that recently, but all the time when I was a kid or even 20 years later, don't remember so many misfires. Is this seen by a lot of you compared to the old times?

Sounds like you're shooting bulk pack or Remington gold bullet/Thunderbolt ammo. But first, you should clean your rifle thoroughly as sometimes crud build's up around the chamber that causes misfires. But, the cheaper grades of ammo often have misfires or as we all call them "fail to fires" (FTF's) these days. Try rotating the round and firing again before discarding. Sometimes the primer compound is not evenly spread inside the rim. It could also just be a weak spring or dinged up firing pin. Could also just be junk ammo. :)

but is this ammo ideal for hunting rabbits or squirrels/racoons pest and varmints?

I never have much problem with standard velocity rounds killing small creatures. But for larger stuff, I would certainly use hollow points such as you were shooting when you started this thread. HV rounds such as CCI Mini-Mags are usually sufficient, but obviously Stingers and Velocitors probably work better.

stinger 327
May 24, 2010, 06:32 PM
Sounds like you're shooting bulk pack or Remington gold bullet/Thunderbolt ammo. But first, you should clean your rifle thoroughly as sometimes crud build's up around the chamber that causes misfires. But, the cheaper grades of ammo often have misfires or as we all call them "fail to fires" (FTF's) these days. Try rotating the round and firing again before discarding. Sometimes the primer compound is not evenly spread inside the rim. It could also just be a weak spring or dinged up firing pin. Could also just be junk ammo. :)



I never have much problem with standard velocity rounds killing small creatures. But for larger stuff, I would certainly use hollow points such as you were shooting when you started this thread. HV rounds such as CCI Mini-Mags are usually sufficient, but obviously Stingers and Velocitors probably work better.
How about the Aguilar rounds? Aren't they suppose to be the fastest of all at 1,750 and 1,700 one is HP and the other pointed.

I do notice there are less Misfires with the hyper velocity rounds. Alot more recoil too.
Do they still make Stingers just in HP? I see now they are segmented HP and are suppose to break up into 3 pieces.
I like the regular Stinger HP's but can't find them for sale.

ole farmerbuck
May 24, 2010, 11:52 PM
Never ever a misfire with these 15 year old Winchesters. Shoot great. $9.00! 4oo rounds
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn88/farmerbuck/shells.jpg

chriske
May 26, 2010, 07:20 AM
I only own one .22 LR rifle (a CZ 452) that shoots OK with about any ammo I care to use.

As for handguns (S&W mod 63, S&W mod 17 & Ruger Mk II) it's a toss-up between ELEY "Tenex" and LAPUA "Midas". Both very expensive.
Next best -and far more affordable-
are for the S&W revolvers WINCHESTER T-22 and for the Ruger auto FEDERAL Hi Velocity solids

stinger 327
May 26, 2010, 12:58 PM
I only own one .22 LR rifle (a CZ 452) that shoots OK with about any ammo I care to use.

As for handguns (S&W mod 63, S&W mod 17 & Ruger Mk II) it's a toss-up between ELEY "Tenex" and LAPUA "Midas". Both very expensive.
Next best -and far more affordable-
are for the S&W revolvers WINCHESTER T-22 and for the Ruger auto FEDERAL Hi Velocity solids
I have never even heard of Lupua or seen it for sale. I'm guessing it isn't a hyper velocity round.

Boba Fett
May 26, 2010, 01:06 PM
I've often wondered which was best. I recently got a Marlin 795 (22lr semi-auto).

And even with a decent scope, I can only manage a softball sized pattern at 100 yards.


I did the whole "try each brand" method and some ammo was more accurate than others. But still couldn't pull a five shot group smaller than a softball.

All the ammo worked fine except for the Remington...which failed of course. I ended up with multiple FTF and one dud. :barf:


So I'm not sure if it is the rifle (which I'm thinking it probably is) or the ammo.

I even had other people shoot it so I could eliminate myself as the point of failure.


To contrast, my Ruger MK II has never given me grief and can make excellent patterns (albiet I've never shot it out to 100 yards :p )

So I'd say it isn't always the ammo. Sometimes the rifle just sucks.

stinger 327
May 26, 2010, 03:11 PM
I cannot see the holes or the target at 100 yards

50 with an 4x scope ...yeah.
With a peep sight it probably would be difficult to see the paper target at 100 yards unless you mark it with a red dot and then it is still too small to see.
Perhaps 50 yards is easier to sight in.

stinger 327
May 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
I've often wondered which was best. I recently got a Marlin 795 (22lr semi-auto).

And even with a decent scope, I can only manage a softball sized pattern at 100 yards.


I did the whole "try each brand" method and some ammo was more accurate than others. But still couldn't pull a five shot group smaller than a softball.

All the ammo worked fine except for the Remington...which failed of course. I ended up with multiple FTF and one dud. :barf:


So I'm not sure if it is the rifle (which I'm thinking it probably is) or the ammo.

I even had other people shoot it so I could eliminate myself as the point of failure.


To contrast, my Ruger MK II has never given me grief and can make excellent patterns (albiet I've never shot it out to 100 yards :p )

So I'd say it isn't always the ammo. Sometimes the rifle just sucks.
The FTF .22 rimfires are usually the low powered ones. I find that the CCI Stinger or Aguilar hyper velocity loads fire all the time with alot more kick too.

Boba Fett
May 26, 2010, 03:39 PM
The FTF .22 rimfires are usually the low powered ones. I find that the CCI Stinger or Aguilar hyper velocity loads fire all the time with alot more kick too.
The Remington loads I tried were:

Viper http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/rimfire/22-rimfire/viper.aspx

Yellow Jacket: http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/rimfire/22-rimfire/yellow-jacket.aspx

Thunderbolt: http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/rimfire/22-rimfire/thunderbolt.aspx

CBEE http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/rimfire/22-rimfire/cbee.aspx

The CBEE and Hornet both were FTF.


All the Remington 22lr was highly inaccurate.

The CCI, Federal, and Winchester were pretty good. CCI was probably the best. But still softball size groups.

stinger 327
May 26, 2010, 04:04 PM
It makes me wonder like with adult air guns usually the competion models with the finest accuracy are in the 500 - 600 fps range.
The sporter air guns for field shooting and eliminating pests are 1,000 fps and up.:confused:

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