Estimated FPS for 44 SPL loading


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Eb1
May 19, 2010, 07:08 PM
Special Cases
15.0 grains Herc 2400
200 grain RN Lead
Primer ?

These were some loads I bought to shoot in my 44 magnum the first day I bought it. Just curious if anyone could tell me what a reloading book or maybe a good guess what the feet per second would be out of a 5.5" SBH.

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wcwhitey
May 19, 2010, 07:21 PM
As a baseline: Lyman Manual puts a 205 SWC with 15.2 Gains at 870 fps. A 210 SWC 14.5 grains (max) at 905 fps. However, I have never seen a 200 grain RN lead for the .44. The only one I know of is the 245 grain bullet (factory at 246 I believe). Same manual puts this load at 12.5 grains max 935 fps. 15 is a bit stout but not for a SBH. Hope this helps. Bill

Eb1
May 19, 2010, 07:53 PM
Bill, the SBH is a 44 Magnum. Forgot to mention that.

This is not advertisement. I just wanted to show you what was on the package.

http://www.rob-barley.com/44magnum/200grain/200grain44special-1.JPG
and
http://www.rob-barley.com/44magnum/200grain/200grain44special-2.JPG

Eb1
May 19, 2010, 10:19 PM
anyone?

Walkalong
May 19, 2010, 10:34 PM
D&J 200 Gr RNFP in .44 Spl 4.3 Grs 700 X for 725ish from a 3" 696. Haven't tried any 2400, or even a stout load of 700X. I have tried some stout loads with this 215 Gr Magnus SWC (http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=104541&d=1251758452) back in the day, but had no chrono then.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=121493&stc=1&d=1274322751

Eb1
May 19, 2010, 11:22 PM
Do you have a book that would tell you what 15.0 grains might be? I am just curious. This round did not have a pop gun affect. It was a pretty stiff, and was blowing fire from the cylinder and muzzle.

See I am new to revolvers of this caliber, and I know they can be loaded with the kitchen sink for whatever you desire them to do. I am just curious. I guess the best thing to do is go tomorrow and setup the Chrony.
At what distance do you measure pistol loads with a Chrony? Fifteen feet?

blackwalnut
May 20, 2010, 12:00 AM
Hello Eb 1 I couldnt find any data with this exact or even close combo. I would try calling Alliant and asking the engineers what they think. I did try one of the "old school" 2400 loads with a 250 true Keith bullet and they had a bit of authority to them but since i have a 44 magnum I decided why make my .44 Special into one. No need to. I would get a good manual like Speers #14 as it has some great lead bullet loads in it. The 44 Special is a gentle giant without pushing it to edge. On another thought I wish I had a Smith Model 696 and that Smith would reintroduce it with a 5 or 6 full lug barrel. That would be super!!!!!!!!! Do you hear that Smith and Wesson. I already bought a Model 21 and a 24 so you know I will jump on a 696 too. Good luck with your reloading and call Alliant in addition to getting a good manual.

Eb1
May 20, 2010, 12:23 AM
I stated above that I am shooting a Ruger Super Blackhawk in 44 Magnum. I do not need a S&W. :)

I am not trying to make a 44 Special into a 44 Magnum. I have one a 44 Magnum. Just trying to figure out what these loads are coming out of my barrel in velocity. I will find out tomorrow when I take the Chrony to the range. Just thought someone might have an idea or some load data before I got out there.

I would like to say that I am not shooting this out of a SPL. These loads could have been loaded 10 years ago for all I know. They could be labeled wrong, and used as a marketing tool to help sell them. I don't know.

Kernel
May 20, 2010, 02:08 AM
:confused::confused::confused:
Lyman Manual puts a 205 SWC with 15.2 Gains at 870 fps. A 210 SWC 14.5 grains (max) at 905 fps.
The first reply hit it out of the park. You're right around 870 - 905 fps plus or minus some small number, depending, mostly on, barrel length, how the bullet was sized, crimp, ambient temperature, and how far the chrony screens are from the muzzle. A fraction of a grain of powder and 5 - 10 grains of lead is, statistically, almost nothing, and what ever small effect they might have would be likely lost within the standard deviation.

MovedWest
May 20, 2010, 03:34 AM
You're right around 870 - 905 fps plus or minus some small number, depending, mostly on, barrel length

I might be sticking my foot in my mouth, but that strikes me as a pretty potent round for a 44 spl. I use 16gr of 2400 to launch 300gr XTP's at 1150fps with a standard primer in my serious 44mag rounds. My 240gr bullet rounds are right around 20.5 grains of 2400. Take into account the shorter length of the 44spl round and it seems like it would be stiffer than 900fps. You're safe with the SBH though. That's one tough piece of steel.

FYI - 2400 is known for being a bit of a fireblower in a revolver. That with the boom makes for a good show at the range.

-MW

Walkalong
May 20, 2010, 07:20 AM
2400 is really a bit slow for standard .44 Spl loads. Unique would be much more suitable. I figure you are running 900ish or so, maybe as much as 1000, but I am guesssing.

Get some Unique, AA #5, Universal, WSF, or a fast pistol powder like 700X, Red Dot, etc. Lots of load info on those powders and lead bullets.

wcwhitey
May 20, 2010, 08:20 AM
Those were the top loads from the Lyman 48th Edition. They are a bit conservative and tell you they are from the get go. Reason being for older .44 Specials and guns like the Charter Arms Bulldog. My pet load is 7.5 Grain of Unique with a 245 Keith SWC. Top load in the manual is 6.9. I shoot it from my SBH and is not weak but nothing to worry about. That bullet looks like a Cowboy Action style RNFP that I am not familiar with. But from your SBH I wouldn't worry about that load. Bill

Eb1
May 20, 2010, 08:46 AM
I am going to take the Chrony out with me today to the range. I am going to set it up, and see exactly what they are doing. What is the distance I should put the Chrony at? I usually use 12 to 15 feet for rifle. What is the distance for pistol rounds?

Walkalong
May 20, 2010, 10:44 AM
I put mine at 15 ft.

RidgwayCO
May 20, 2010, 08:15 PM
QuickLOAD predicts about 1100 fps from your 5.5" barrel, and pressure right at the max for the .44 Special (200gr LRNFP, 1.432" COL, standard LP primer, and 1.152" brass length). Based on my experience, I'd guess around 1000 fps. Let us now how your testing goes.

Eb1
May 20, 2010, 10:19 PM
Thank you for the QuickLOAD predictions. I will let you know. I did not take to testing tonight. Ended up a few friends went with me. I want to go alone, and take around 7 loads for logging. This load, the 10g Unique that I loaded tonight with a 240 JHP, and whatever else comes about in the next few weeks. I will update the board though.

I see the .44 Magnum becoming an obsession for me, and an opportunity to gather large amounts of data. I know it has been done, but it is an excuse to shoot. Right? :)

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