Need help choosing a couple semi-autos


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wombat13
May 21, 2010, 10:52 AM
I could really use advice, so thanks in advance for taking the time to read this and respond.

So the microstamping bill has passed the NY assembly and since the Dems recently took control of the Senate I'm concerned it will become law. I'd like to buy a couple semi-autos before they become much more expensive here (maybe get ahead of the buying frenzy).

Here's what I'm thinking and I'd like to get opinions and recommendations. I'd like to get one high-capacity handgun and one easily concealed handgun. High-capacity magazines manufactured after September 1994 are illegal, so the high-capacity handgun would have to be one that was in wide use prior to 9/94 so that pre-ban hi-cap mags would be readily available. I would prefer to minimize how many calibers I need to stock, so I'd like the two new guns to be the same caliber or at least one of them to be a .45acp (I already one an XD45). My wife has difficulty racking the slide on my XD45 but had no problem racking the slide on a Glock 9mm (not sure which one; it belonged to her shooting instructor). I'm also not looking to drop a lot of cash, but want quality. I'd like to keep the total cost under $1k.

Given all of this, I'm thinking two 9mm Glocks would probably be my best bet. One full size that would accept pre-ban mags and one of the smallest. Pre-ban mags for Glocks should be the easiest to find; my wife should be able to rack the slides; cost should be under $1k; and there is little doubt that they will be reliable and last for the long haul.

So here are my questions:

1. Which Glocks should I be looking at? Are there two models that fit the bill above and could share lower capacity mags?
2. What other handguns should I consider?
3. Is my reasoning way off?
4. Anything else I should be thinking about?

Thanks again for your time.

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wombat13
May 21, 2010, 12:47 PM
Wow, looks like I came to the right place for advice.

Wishoot
May 21, 2010, 12:54 PM
Give it more than a couple of hours. It's Friday and some people are working.

Old Shooter
May 21, 2010, 12:54 PM
Wow, an hour and a half and you think you might not have come to the right place?

#1: Forget the Glocks. I'm the first poster so why not?

#2 Get a 1911. If 8 rounds of 45 acp won't fix the problem you probably need a lawer or an undertaker.

#3: Yes. Guns won't dissapear in NY after this microstamping law goes into effect, thank you for voting.

#4: Yes, move to a more gun friendly state, my preference is Virginia, your's may be different.

Have a nice day.

searcher451
May 21, 2010, 12:59 PM
Lots of folks love their Glocks. Lots of other fine firearms should be considered as well. Were I you, I'd take a good, long look at the Walther P99 or the Walther P99C. It's rugged, reliable, dependable, accurate, available in either 9mm or .40 S&W, has interchangable backstraps to better fit your hand, etc. I've owned a couple of them for five-plus years now, have put thousands of rounds through them, and have never experienced a single hiccup of any sort. It's the real deal, IMO.

Happy hunting.

wombat13
May 21, 2010, 01:15 PM
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wombat13
May 21, 2010, 01:16 PM
Give it more than a couple of hours. It's Friday and some people are working.
I hate when work gets in the way of more important things.

David E
May 21, 2010, 01:17 PM
If you go with Glocks, consider the 17 or 34 for the fullsize and the 26 for the sub-compact.

I would buy sooner rather than later and that includes hicap magazines.

lions
May 21, 2010, 01:17 PM
1. Look at the glock 17 (full-size 9mm) and 26 (sub-compact 9mm).
2. I'd go the glock route but there are plenty of other options.
3. About more guns? No. I don't know much about the microstamping thing though.
4. Lots of practice ammo, as always.

wombat13
May 21, 2010, 01:20 PM
Wow, an hour and a half and you think you might not have come to the right place?

#1: Forget the Glocks. I'm the first poster so why not?

#2 Get a 1911. If 8 rounds of 45 acp won't fix the problem you probably need a lawer or an undertaker.

#3: Yes. Guns won't dissapear in NY after this microstamping law goes into effect, thank you for voting.

#4: Yes, move to a more gun friendly state, my preference is Virginia, your's may be different.

Have a nice day.
Well another forum that has only 25% of the viewers has already produced several responses.

1. Thanks for your opinions in items #1 and #2, not much I can do with that though.
2. Regardings #3, yes, semi-autos will still exist in NY, but they will be more expensive.
3. I'd love to move to get away from the taxes and anti-gun laws, but I'll deal with this so my kids can know their grandparents.

Thanks for your input.

wombat13
May 21, 2010, 01:23 PM
If you go with Glocks, consider the 17 or 34 for the fullsize and the 26 for the sub-compact.

I would buy sooner rather than later and that includes hicap magazines.
I'm doing my research this morning and it appears that a magazine from a G17 will fit a G26 by adding a spacer, but that a magazine for the G26 will not fit a G17, is that right? If so, maybe two G26s might be the way to go.

lions
May 21, 2010, 01:36 PM
You are correct about the magazines. You don't need a spacer but your grip would be a little funny if you didn't have one.

Just a thought, you have a full size gun in your xd45, why not get a glock 26 for you to conceal and take the wife to a gun shop to find the gun she likes best to conceal and/or whatever other types of usage you anticipate.

Haifisch
May 21, 2010, 01:41 PM
Buy a Glock 19, you will love it.

wombat13
May 21, 2010, 02:21 PM
You are correct about the magazines. You don't need a spacer but your grip would be a little funny if you didn't have one.

Just a thought, you have a full size gun in your xd45, why not get a glock 26 for you to conceal and take the wife to a gun shop to find the gun she likes best to conceal and/or whatever other types of usage you anticipate.
Why the G19 instead of the G17 or G26? It seems that the tradeoff in these three is capacity, grip length and barrel length. So far, I'm leaning toward a G26 and getting a spacer if/when I find a pre-ban G19 or G17 mag.

wombat13
May 21, 2010, 02:24 PM
You are correct about the magazines. You don't need a spacer but your grip would be a little funny if you didn't have one.

Just a thought, you have a full size gun in your xd45, why not get a glock 26 for you to conceal and take the wife to a gun shop to find the gun she likes best to conceal and/or whatever other types of usage you anticipate.
I'd love to take my wife to the gun shop and have her pick out a handgun. She has her CCW permit and she has enjoyed shooting her Hi-standard .22lr. She's just not that into shooting right now - or more accurately she has so many other things to do that shooting just doesn't make it to the top of the list. I'm trying to plan ahead and get something that will work for me and will likely be acceptable for her. It's not ideal, I know.

Fastcast
May 21, 2010, 02:32 PM
Newww Yorrrkers.....Patience! :what:

How about a water pistol? :cool:

Fastcast
May 21, 2010, 02:35 PM
Get a 1911. If 8 rounds of 45 acp won't fix the problem you probably need a lawer or an undertaker.



We all like hi-cap....but amen to that! :)

duns
May 21, 2010, 03:05 PM
I would suggest looking into the Beretta 92FS for your full size and either the S&W M&P 9mm or the Walther P99C AS for the compact.

lions
May 21, 2010, 03:09 PM
Why the G19 instead of the G17 or G26?

The 19 is a dimensional compromise but many view it as the ideal size to be acceptable for both CCW and HD/range purposes. I'm capable of CCWing a pistol that size but I find smaller guns (such as the 26) much more comfortable and easier to conceal, to the point that IMO, it is worth the trade off in capacity and shootability.

It's not ideal, I know.

No worries, you know your situation better than any of us, I was just throwing a possibility out there.

wombat13
May 21, 2010, 03:28 PM
Newww Yorrrkers.....Patience! :what:

How about a water pistol? :cool:
Okay, I suppose I deserved that.

wombat13
May 21, 2010, 03:30 PM
The 19 is a dimensional compromise but many view it as the ideal size to be acceptable for both CCW and HD/range purposes. I'm capable of CCWing a pistol that size but I find smaller guns (such as the 26) much more comfortable and easier to conceal, to the point that IMO, it is worth the trade off in capacity and shootability.



No worries, you know your situation better than any of us, I was just throwing a possibility out there.
I guess I quoted the wrong post. I completely understand why one would recommend the G26 over the other choices as you did. I meant to quote Haifisch's post in which he recommended the G19 rather than a G17. I was wondering just wondering why the G19 instead of a G17.

Fastcast
May 21, 2010, 03:39 PM
I was wondering just wondering why the G19 instead of a G17.

Because the G19 is a very nice compromise between full size/compact and many Glockies seem to think it's the best of the Glock line-up.

Wishoot
May 21, 2010, 04:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wishoot View Post
Give it more than a couple of hours. It's Friday and some people are working.

I hate when work gets in the way of more important things.

I agree. But somehow you have to make some dough to buy more guns.

IMTHDUKE
May 21, 2010, 07:39 PM
Want high cap. in a compact gun....here's 14 9mm rds in a sub compact.
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww2/imthduke/GUNS/62520996514471.jpg

Or want a larger cal. with 13 rd count of 357sig or 40cal...go with this and add the large mag.
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww2/imthduke/GUNS/62520996517966.jpg

jhallrv4
May 22, 2010, 12:03 AM
There's more than one way to rack a slide. Have her try holding the slide, and shoving the gun frame forward. Have her hold the slide with the palm of the hand against the near side, and the fingers cupped over the slide and gripping the far side. Amazing how much easier it is. Worked for my trophy wife.

Jeff

pacerdude
May 22, 2010, 12:14 AM
I am a fan of Smith and Wesson M&Ps, but my best friend likes Glocks they are both excellent pistols.

Everyone will have a different but valid opinion. If you are set on buying two guns, then I agree with the previous poster who suggested that you pick a gun that you like, and allow your wife to pick a pistol that she likes.

If they both turn out to be Glocks in the same caliber then that's an added bonus because ya'll can share the magazines.

Good Luck!

samurai
May 22, 2010, 03:55 PM
My wife has an easier time racking the Smith M&P than the Glock. The M&P changeable back straps makes fitting different size hands easier.

wombat13
May 24, 2010, 11:23 AM
Thanks for all of the responses. I'll try to get my wife to go with me to pick out her own handgun, but if that fails, I'll check out the suggestions in this thread.

easyg
May 24, 2010, 12:34 PM
If you're not planning on carrying the pistol concealed, then get a Glock 17.

But if you plan to carry concealed, then get a Glock 26.

gc70
May 24, 2010, 01:28 PM
High-capacity magazines manufactured after September 1994 are illegal, so the high-capacity handgun would have to be one that was in wide use prior to 9/94 so that pre-ban hi-cap mags would be readily available.

The world was a lot different in 1994. So most polymer guns like M&Ps and XDs are out (Glock being an obvious exception). The Sig P226 and P228 models were available. The Sig P229 and HK USP were introduced just before the ban, so that may hurt magazine availability, depending on the requirements of the NY law. Browning Hi-Powers had been available for decades. S&W 3rd generation autos had been out for half a decade and were in very wide use.

svtruth
May 24, 2010, 01:40 PM
but Para Ordnance makes nice hi-cap 1911s, 12, 13 and 14 rounds.
In 9mm there are lots of high cap pistols.
Kel-Tec makes a .223 pistol which accepts AR magazines, so you could find lots of them with enough age on them.
Good luck.

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