[QB]

"Non-technical" Range Report

Took my Storm to the range last night and today. So far I have shot 400 rounds through it with no malfunctions of any type. I purchased this gun just to have a fun little carbine to shoot at the range since I can use it at the handgun range versus having to go to a separate rifle range.

This gun is small and light with great ergonomics. All controls worked perfectly. I especially like the fact that the bolt stays open after the last round.....just pop out the empty mag, insert a loaded one, push the bolt release lever and off you go!!!! Makes for a very fast reload with minimal effort (push mag release, insert mag, push bolt release).

Range Ammo used: PMC, S&B, UMC, Winchester white box.
Mags: Beretta factory pre-bans
Reliability: No malfunctions....not a hiccup!!!

My indoor range only goes to 25 yards so I still need to go to an outdoor range to shoot from further distances. So accuracy with this gun (at 25 yards) was great. I was mainly just running ammo thru the gun and my mags to check for reliability. Next time out I'll try some accuracy shooting.

I didn't have any problems with the sights at all although I am going to put a top rail/optical sight on the gun.

What was nice about this gun was that I was able to reverse the controls for a left handed configuration. I must say that that option alone was very appealing to me. I have been so tired of shooting rifles that are made for right handers (like my SW5PDW/SW5PAD). It was great to have the cases eject to my left.

I do not need to order any extensions to make the gun longer, the gun "as is" fits me perfectly. However, there is that option for those of you who feel the gun is too short.

Trigger was smooth. Travel and reset was good. Not a pro on carbine triggers but it seemed as good if not better than my SW5 triggers (can't compare them since I recently sold my SW5s).

Field stripping was easy.

http://home.comcast.net/~patricia.coombs/Guns/CX4_Storm.jpg

[PO2Hammer]

Looking at the previous post on the storm, you might get a little grief. I have always loved pistol caliber carbines. Right now I have a ruger pc-9. I like it a lot, my only gripe is mounting a red dot sight. I can put any 1" scope on it, but anything with weaver rails requires an adapter making them too high. I also want a pistol to go along with it, but the ruger pistols leave something to be desired. I've even contemplated carving ruger notches into magazines from other pistols, but then the last shot bolt hold open will either not work or work too soon. The storm looks great, and beretta pistols are pretty good, and the weaver rail, if it ever becomes available, looks perfect for my trijicon reflex sight. Many here don't see the point in a pistol caliber carbine, but I do. My wife doesn't like shooting my M1A or my glock 20-10mm, she doesn't like shooting much at all, but she can hit what she's aiming at with the pc-9. Have you found a scource for the optical rail? do you like the sights? thanx for the report.

[QB]

PO2Hammer --- I'm "bracing myself"for the deluge but hopefully this tread will stay on-course......ha ha ;)

[jame]

I'm hoping to buy one this week for fun shooting, in house defense, and a general all around acreage gun. Looks great to me!

[Redlg155]

Wow..folks actually have these!

It's about time I heard something. It seems that a jillion folks are talking about them but no one actually had one.

Good to see someone has one. Thanks for the report!

Good Shooting
Red

[Min]

I just bought one, too. Haven't shot it yet, though. One thing is - it's a perfect platform for a suppressor (c'mon look at that barrel!), BUT you as a civilian can never suppress it (even with class 3) because it is WAY post-ban.

[Grayrider]

I finally picked mine up yesterday. Pretty neat little carbine. I cannot get over how short it is. The thing handles quite well in tight spaces. It definately would benefit from a dot sight, so I plan to order the sight rail soon. The front rail works well for my M3. I like the way they set it up to retract easily using the front sling mount as a release button. I also reveresed ejection first thing to accomodate my left handed shooting. It was nice that they allowed for puting the bolt handle on either side regardless as I prefer the handle on the right. Too bad the other controls require a smith to reverse, and there is no allowance to reverse the bolt release. Still, at least they allowed for some variability. Take down is definately a snap, and the simplicity of the internals is impressive. I am not a fan for a lot of parts in a gun.

I ordered in a variety of mags to try. On cursory examination the aftermarket Western brand mags don't lock the bolt back or drop free. They have flimsy looking followers, so I may replace those and see what the result is. The Asian military mags lock the bolt back fine and drop free. They have a better follower design--actually more robust looking than the Beretta 10 rounders. My Pearce extensions came in and I will probably try those tonight on the Asian mags.

Range trip next weekend, so I will let you guys know how I fair compared to the rest of you.

GR

[Captain Scarlet]

PO2Hammer,

I also own a Ruger PC9 and I really like it a lot but we cant get the CX4
Storm in California :(

My PC9GR has the Ghost Ring rear site and it works great in low light
conditions. The PC9 is a compact fast handling carbine, most people can easily handle it, even women and children.

I dont see how using 9mm magazine from other handguns would effect
the bolt hold open on your PC9? because it only works by "recoil" cutting
a notch for the mag release shouldnt have any effect on the bolt hold open?

I notice almost any hi cap 9mm magazine will fit in the PC9 the only difference is the notch hole for the mag catch/release.

my PC9 has close to 8,000 rds through it without a malfunction, Ive shot
standard ammo, Speer Gold Dot +P +, hollow points, it eats anything.

I usually just use a boresnake to clean it and wipe the bolt face and mag well with a small rag. I only field strip it and detail clean it maybe once every 1000 rds.

[Onslaught]

I finally got to handle one here in town... My impressions were:

Even shorter in person than in pics. I mean this thing is just plain SMALL.
Light weight. Very light weight. Solid, and well balanced.
But I am very disappointed to add that the grip itself was VERY uncomfortable in my hands. For some reason, Beretta felt it neccessary to make the grip go over and past the mag's baseplate, so there's a big flare out front that my pinky just didn't like. I have very wide hands, so I used up the whole grip holding it, and my pinkie just wasn't comfortable on that big ole grip.

Oh yeah, one more thing I noticed. Beretta apparently ships the CX4's with 40 weight motor oil drenched on the inside! I released the mag from the magwell, and it was so covered in the stuff, it nearly slipped right through my fingers. The oil got everywhere, all over my hands, all over the outside of the Storm, and it took me all day to wash the greasy feeling off my hands.

It really is a nicely built weapon, and I still may get one after I handle a couple more... If for no other reason, I'd love to have one for the SUPER cheap ammo prices. Even buying bulk .223 vs. store-bought 9mm, I can buy the 9mm cheaper.

For comparison, the price on this one was $599. He said it was the second one he had ever been able to get, and he's the second largest dealer in town.

[starfuryzeta]

For the guys that have it and plan on getting the top rail, does it look like the iron sites will co-witness with a holo-site or is it more geared for optics only?

[bogie]

How difficult do you think it'd be to swap out/alter the barrel for use with a can? Could be cool...

[PO2Hammer]

Captain:
I probably didn't describe it clearly. I have a SIG P226. The mags fit in the magwell of the pc9 carbine, but the mag release nothches are different of course. I had thought of cutting the ruger notch into the sig mags and the sig notches into the ruger mags. Unfortunately the tab on the mag follower that activates the bolt hold open on the ruger and the slide lock on the SIG pistols are different. I probably could go with just the modified SIG mags for both because the carbine bolt-hold-open doesn't work even with ruger mags. The little piece that slides up in the stock to hold it open is hard to push up even by hand. Mabey it just needs a little stoning. My grand plan of having completely compatible 9mm SIG P-226/Ruger PC9 carbine has hit a snag!

[QB]

Strange about the oil comment. I have 2 Storms and neither one was particularly oily. For those in the Dallas area, Tom Harris of Sporting Arms (out of Lewisville) sells them for $569 + 7.5% sales tax. His web site is:

http://www.sportingarms.com

At the Dallas Market Hall gunshow both Schramms Ammo and Weapons and Bachmans were charging $649 + tax.

[Onslaught]

Wierd that yours weren't soaked in oil. Another member I talk to (mostly via e-mail) said the same about his... that it was very oily.

So no issues with the grip being uncomfortable for you guys then?

[Grayrider]

starfuryzeta,

I am not sure about cowitnessing. The sights sit a little high, so it may depend on the optic used. The rear sight folds completely down if needed, so there should not be an issue with something obstructing the optic. Still, cowitnessing would be nice. I will have a couple options for optics when I get a rail on it, so I can let you guys know what I find.

GR

[Hutch]

Rats. I thought it came with all the rails you could ever want. So... ya gots to buy one? Reckon what the rail goes for?

[Skunkabilly]

Dizzam, the Skunk wants!!! :banghead: :cuss: :banghead:

:cuss: California!

[Bartholomew Roberts]

In another post on this forum, somebody reported the price of the top rail as $245.

[Hawkman]

In re $245 rail - that was me and I retracted it - I had ordered the wrong thing. The true cost is $54.

[J Scott]

Hawkman,

From whom did you order the rail?

Thanks,

J Scott

[Hawkman]

I ordered it from Beretta. They said they were on backorder, expected in 2-3 weeks. That was about a week ago.

[QB]

Well I am really confused now. There have been several posts about ordering the rails from Beretta. So I called them today to order the top rail, the U shaped rail, a sling, and a soft case. The rep said I could not order anything, that he didn't even have part numbers or SKUs or prices. He also said parts wouldn't be available for 60 to 90 days. I told him about the posts on this and the Beretta forum that not only said people had ordered from Beretta but gave the part numbers and shipped price. He said he didn't know anything about how that could be and that I'd have to call back in a month or so. I was so frustrated and angry that I didn't even get his name. Just said thanks and hung up.

So my question is, how in the heck did anyone order from Beretta? Does anyone has a NAME of a person they talked to?

Thanks for any info you might have.

[Airfix]

I called Beretta about the CX4 accessories on Wed. The rep basically told me to call back in January; he said there's no need to order now, it's not first come first serve, and there will be abundant supply of all sorts of accessories. He also said those accessories are not listed at the company website yet.

[Absolut]

I just bought one, too. Haven't shot it yet, though. One thing is - it's a perfect platform for a suppressor (c'mon look at that barrel!), BUT you as a civilian can never suppress it (even with class 3) because it is WAY post-ban.
281 more days :)

i also like the CX4, if i had some extra $ just laying around, i would definately get one

[jame]

I just brought one home this afternoon, and LOVE it! Very oily, as previously mentioned, but 30 rounds downrange so far without a hitch.

Real fun to shoot, and I was ringing the steel plate 25 yards off my back deck right out of the box. I think a lot of grins are yet to come with this one.

[QB]

Just got back from another range session with the Storm. Another 300 rounds downrange with no malfunctions of any sort (used S&B ammo exculsively this trip).

This gun is really fun and once I get that top rail and a scope on it ....mama mia!!!! Right now, with the stock sights this gun is very accurate. But the only distance I've been able to shoot is 25 yards. Gotta get to an outdoor range with this gun but wanted to wait for my rail/scope.

Thumbs up for this product so far!!!!!

[jame]

So, can anyone tell me how to mount a light on this thing? I understand the concept, but what type of light do I buy, and where do I buy the rings used to mount it??

Any guess as to whether or not aftermarket accessories will be available?

[Absolut]

it should have an integral extending rail under the barrel, and places to mount additional rails at 3 and 6 o'clock

[jame]

That's kind of a given.........

I was wondering what additional hardware I need to buy.....besides additional rails, if desired. Rings, retaining devices, special flashlights, (Surefire, Streamlite?)

[Absolut]

http://www.eastcountyguns.com/SFLIGHTS.htm
http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/pgrfnbr/378/sesent/00
http://www.gunaccessories.com/Surefire/Weapon/P106.asp

i'm partial to Surefire

[jame]

THAT'S what I'm looking for!

Thanks!

[Onslaught]

ALUMINUM top rails and all neccessary mounting hardware are apparently available from Kurt's Kustom Firearms (http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citymax.com/board/board_topic/11341/35674.htm) for $65.

If you read through the posts, it sounds like Beretta's rail (when available) will possibly require drilling holes in the Storm's upper... :eek: :scrutiny:

For those of you that don't know Kurt's work, he's considered a "black weapons" guru on AR15.com.

If he makes it, it's good stuff.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he eventually makes magwell adapters for other brands of mags besides Beretta, if that's possible.

[Grayrider]

Took mine to the range yesterday and it ran great. The only problem I had was with a couple cheapie 20 and 30 round mags. One could not even be loaded as it was too short for the ammo, the other fell out of the gun every time it fired. Oh well, $20 lost is no biggie. The Asian military and Eagle mags I tried worked fine. So much for needing expensive Beretta mags. The gun was accurate, fed hollow points without problem, and balanced well. It does recoil a bit more than other 9mm carbines I have fired, but then it weighs a lot less than say an UZI or HK. Still quite managable. I already mounted an M3 on the front rail. Works great. I am quite pleased with this little carbine. It will make a great home defense gun for myself and my wife. Should be easy for her to handle given its small size and overall lack of recoil compared to other weapons.

GR

[JWH 223]

I got my Western 20rds to work fine after slightly bending the metal ontop of the mag catch slot on the right side of the mag. What mine was doing was falling out about halfway through the mag. Now it works real good. I also had 2 out of 5 mags that would bind with about 8-13 rounds in it.

My asian military mag woorks real good too....gotta buy more.

Did you ever try your Pearce +2 extensions on them?

[Grayrider]

I have not had a chance to get the Pearce extensions from my friend that ordered them for me. He gets the dealer pricing from Brownells, so that saved some change. I suspect they will fit the Asian mags as the base on those looks much the same as that on the factory 10 rounders.

So did you end the metal outwards? I would like to get the 30 rounder working if possible. I really prefer the length of the 20, but it won't take more than a few rounds due to the length issue.

GR

[JWH 223]

Let me know if they work for sure...I think I need a few.

I wasn't very descriptive.....Yes, put a small screwdriver in the slot and bend the upper metal area out...it doesn't take much. Sometimes the lower are get's pushed in just a little in the process, but it didn't effect mine....they work very well now. 1 of 4 doesn't hold the bolt open, but the other 3 do....all feed fine. I superglued my basepads on too...had a few "Speed Unloads".

[Grayrider]

I noticed that the base pads seemed a bit loose. Thanks for the info! I will let you know on the Pearce extensions. I should be able to pick them up this week.

GR

[MaddMaxx]

Need a rail custom made for the Storm? Is made out of metal. Cost more than the Beretta model but as I said is metal(black) rather than plastic.
Is from Kurt as is stated above...very nice.

[JWH 223]

I could use one....let's see it, how does it attach? How much? How long of wait?

So many questions:)

[MaddMaxx]

Here is link and pictures scroll to bottom for pics. I don't know the wait time.

http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citymax.com/board/board_topic/11341/35674.htm

[MaddMaxx]

onslaugh.......If you read through the posts, it sounds like Beretta's rail (when available) will possibly require drilling holes in the Storm's upper...

Actually the holes are already drilled. They are covered with a thin coating of the stock material. If you hold the weapon up to the light and look along the "spline" which runs along the area where the rail fits you will notice the outlines of the two holes. You can drill them out or use an Xacto knife to trim them out. The inserts are inserted from the bottom and the one under the barrel is installed using the sight tool to hold it in place while you tighten the screw.

If you purchase the aftermarket metal rail from Kurt above you will need to re-tap the front insert to 8-32 size screws as this is what Kurt uses for the three screws he includes with his metal rail. The center and rear screws are held in with inserts which Kurt inclues with the rail.

The reason he did not use the same screws as Beretta is because Beretta uses a different "pitch" to the screws and Kurt could not locate the Beretta sizes.

[JackDRipper]

Click on the link below and then click on the MOUNTING INSTRUCTIONS FOR CX4 STORM TOP RAIL section for pictures and instructions for the Top rail. Should be simple to mount, when they are available.
JR

http://www.berettaweb.com/Beretta%20CX4_Storm/CX4_storm1.htm

[JackDRipper]

That link on my post above also shows all the Storm accessories that will be available for the Storm whenever Beretta sends them over here.
JR

[MaddMaxx]

I just receive my aftermarket rail from Kurt Kustom Firearms and I must say the pic on his site does not do it justice. All the holes line up as per the factory rail...of course as I stated he had to use 8-32 screws for installing.

Is an excellant job and it is made of metal. The rail looks like it was made from the factory....wow! Heavy shooting will be going on this weekend....:)

http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citymax.com/board/board_topic/11341/35674.htm

$65.00 and this includes shipping....see link above.....I don't know how long it will take for delivery. Go to his site and ask him.

[JWH 223]

How much?

Are these in stock and ready to ship?

Thanks

[JWH 223]

That little sucker bump fires very well....and controllable

[SapperLeader]

Great Range report. Unfortunatly, I now want one of these even more than i did before :).

[MaddMaxx]

Well folks you might want to back up and punt when it comes time to scope the Storm.

I am going to use the EotechSight on my weapon but I won't be able to use the "Iron sights". The Eotech fits too high so you cannot pick up the sights through the headsup display on the Eotech. Doesn't matter to me because I don't care to use the iron sights anyway. I would guess the same thing will happen if you use a "red dot". Of course with a red dot you may sit lower..


There will be a problem mounting scopes too. I have a 7" NcStar 3-9X42E and I tried mounting it on a set of 1" see thru NcStar scope mts. Problem is even on the 1" mts the scope is too low and I can't move the scope to the rear for a good sight picture because the rear iron sights are in the way. I am sure there are some scopes which will work but I just wanted to warn you of some problems.

I like the eotech and am used to having it on my AR-15 so I will stick with it for the moment.

As I have stated I am using the aftermarket rail. I had stated you must use 8-32 screws with this rail and that the front insert had to be drilled and tapped. Well good news..you do not need to re-drill the insert, you simply need to re-tap the insert. Is very easy to do. Also the sight tool works really well to hold the center insert in place while you start tightening the screw.

[JWH 223]

Grayrider,

Any luck with the Pearce mag extensions...try them yet?

I have new "Custom" ideas for my Storm...I want to correct the things I don't like about it:

1. Skinny naked barrel

2. Narrow slippery forend....my hand slides all over when bumpin'

[Grayrider]

Sorry for the slow reply. The Pearce extensions work on some mags and not others. The issue seems to be their method of locking the baseplate using plastic insert with long arms extending up into the mag. On some mags this makes the follower stop too soon. On my Eagle 17 round mags I got 18 rounds, although the Pearce extension fits better than the Eagle base plate so I left it that way. On the Asian military mags they don't work at all with the insert in place, as they cause the follower to get stuck. If you remove the insert one gets more than +2 rounds in, but then there is the issue of the extension coming off. I suppose one could glue it on, but I don't like that idea.

So I guess my answer is they are interesting, work on some mags, and worth experimenting with. Not sure how they affect reliability as I haven't gotten back to the range.

GR

[JWH 223]

It sounds like they could work with some "tweeking"....hmmm, maybe best just stay away. Interesting....thanks again.

[jem375]

:barf:

[BerettaGuy]

Hoping someone can help me out here. I excitedly opened my new CX4 (and after cleaning it up a bit - same oil problem noted above), and quickly put the included 10 round clips off to the side in favor of my recently purchased Triple K Brand 15 and 30 rounders. I was shocked when I found that none of these magazines would lock into the Storm. Tried them in my 92 and worked like a charm, tried the factory 92 clips in the Storm and no problems there, but no way no how would the Triple Ks stay in the Storm. I am no gunsmith, but it appears to me that the front end of the clip is more rounded on the Triple Ks than on the factory mags. I assume that the tolerances between the 92 and the CX4 are just slightly different, and that prevents the magazine release on the Storm from grabbing the Triple K mags.

So my question is:

Can anyone please provide me with a source for high capacity pre-ban mags that they have tried IN THE STORM and are sure will work?

By the way, regarding factory accessories for the Storm, called Beretta USA today and they are taking phone orders for all accessories (top, side, bottom rails, slings, cases, etc.) but none of it will be avail until Feb. 2004. I have seen some photos of this piece with front handling but cannot find out where it can be purchased. Beretta suggested a company (can't remember the name - First something) but they only sold handling molded with finger slots. I am looking for something much more plain and peg-like. Any suggestions for a source for this also would be appreciated.

Link to a pic with the handling I am talking about:

http://www.berettaweb.com/Beretta%20CX4_Storm/CX4_10.gif

Thanks in advance

[jame]

I bought a couple of 20 round mags for mine at Cabela's. I believe they're "Western" but I could be mistaken.

One worked fine, one didn't. I sent it in to Cablea's for replacement, and I'll get another good one sooner or later.


(Oh, and jem, thanks a lot for your valuable input......

If you're not interested, don't post. Those of us the like 'em really don't give a rat's backside what you think.)

[ProCharger]

1 request and 1 question......can somebody take a pic hoilding their gun for a size reference.....the stats can only say so much to a person and im really interested in this gun. question is with the barrel being so short did you have to pertain a pistol liscense to own the gun? thanks in advance.

Brett

[jame]

I can't post a pic right now, but I can tell you that it's only 31" long, and weighs 5 3/4 lbs.

About the size of that fold up KelTec when it's opened up. (?)

Hope that very vague description helps....:confused:

[ProCharger]

how about having a pistol permit or is it classified as a rifle?

[jame]

16" barrel and attatched stock make it a rifle.

No pistol permit required.

[ProCharger]

right on, im starting to like the gun more and more.....i was skeptical about the pistol permit being required cause of its base platform. it kinda looks like they took a model 92, modified it, and put it into production. between my last few posts ive just been researching this gun and :D seems the guns shoot very very well also contributing to beretta's well known reputation for a reliable gun.

[ROAshooter]

Well my SO has shot her CX4.....and she is very pleased with herself and the gun. Like so many others have commented, the gun functioned flawlessly...and was more accurate than I expected. I watched her shoot several five round groups into a two inch circle at twenty five yards...which made her very happy. The recoil (or lack of it) added to her pleasure for shooting the gun...something she never quite enjoyed with my M1A.
We are meeting friends tonight for a shoot at the range...she wants to show off!!

[JWH 223]

I also purchased 20rd mags from Cabela's. Yes, they are Western.

3 things to do.

1. While at the store ask if you can try load 20 rounds in the mag (they looked at me funny, but we did it)...3 of my original 5 would only hold 12-15 rounds.

2. When home, remove base pads and stretch the spring...then Superglue the frickin' pads on....if not, they will fall off when firing.

3. Take a small screwdriver and insert it into the mag cath slot on the mag. Pry the part above the slot out, just a hair.....this will keep the mag in the gun while firing....everyone of mine would fall out during firing before I did this.

Now all five work perfect....except one will not hold open when empty.

Hope this helps.

[charleym3]

I have a boat load of nameless standard capacity magazines for the Beretta 92 platform. They have worked flawlessly in all of the 92s that I've had, Brigadier, Vertec, EII, and multiple FSs, but not in the Storm.
I had to find out why so I took the Storm apart. What I found is that the mag catch does not travel freely. With the top off and the mag removed if you push on the mag release and let it go you will see that it doesn't freely return to the left as far as it can go. If you push on the opposite side of the mag release it will slide some. Enough in fact to hold the after market mags in correctly. The aftermarket mag bodies are a little thinner than the Beretta or Asian magazines.
The mag catch is injection molded and has two holes that allow a spring shaped like a hair pin to pass through. As the spring spreads out it pushes the mag catch. The problem is that either one of the holes in the mag catch is in the wrong place or too large. I'm going to try putting a tooth pick in it to take up the extra space. I'll let you know how it works out.
The other issue is that the mag catch doesn't freely move in the slot that it travels in. I thought about some 800 grit emmery paper to smooth things out, but I don't have the nerve to do it yet.
One thing about the mag catch that is really cool is the way that it adjusts. The catch is plastic with a metal insert. There are 4 different slots that the insert can be put into. The initial spot is in the lowest slot. If you reverse the control it would need to be in the highest . I was thinking, but haven't tried it yet, of putting the insert in the highest slot and trying my Sig magazines.
It really is a good piece of work, it just needs a little hand work to make it work perfectly with the after market mags. I've also found that if I insert the aftermarket mag and then push on the opposite side of the mag catch it will seat correctly and hold the mag just fine.

[JWH 223]

Most will hate it, some will like it:
http://www.hunt101.com/img/083773.JPG

[ShaiVong]

Got to handle one today at the store; looks really slick, might show it to my old lady and see if i can interest her in it.

I had same issue with the grip though; really uncomfortable for some reason. Heck, my GLOCK is more comfortable to hold, and thats just a 2x4! :D

[Starpower]

You all (or all y'all, plural) know how exited I was about the Storm, right? Well, danged if I didn't get side tracked and bought a Nagant, instead. Well, yeah, way cheaper, but hey. Got a good deal on a really nice Polish M-44 and now I gotta start saving again for the Storm. Did get to hold one at the dealer where I got the Nagant, and it felt really nice in my hands, even if the pistol grip, as mentioned, did seem a little oversized. My dealer has lay away and 90 days same as cash, but he was priced at $649 with only one 10 rd mag. Anyway, the Storm is definitely my next purchase!
My daughter asked my wife how many guns did I really need, and the darling of wife said I don't drink (much) smoke or carouse OR golf, or any of those other expensive hobbies like SCUBA or ParaSail or boats or nothing, so where's the harm? I gotta love that gal, even if she doesn't understand the passion!

[Simian]

I just had my brand new Storm out. Shot the heck out of it on the 25 yard range. Then went to the 100 line and had a BLAST! If you are shooting at a man sized target at 100 yards or closer that target will be in trouble. Takes some getting used to but I was grouping about the size of my (big) hand. Oh yeah, used Wolf 9mm, about 400-500 rounds in this session. Love this carbine!

[PAOLO721]

JWH 223 Most will hate it, some will like it:

I like it. Is that a shroud? C'mon, let's have some details.:)

[JWH 223]

I made the fake can out of solid nylon. I turned it on my mini-lathe. I use nylon because you can dye it black with regular Rit dye. The forearm is a M203 grip that DPMS sells for their AR15 "Tuber" handguard.

[MaddMaxx]

I really like my Storm. The only thing I don't like is the "Tooth-pick" like barrel sticking out there. I ordered a Fake silencer from MFI and I have installed it. Is a copy of the silencer the Seals use. I think it made the Storm look "Bad".

Is a well made piece...Here is link:
http://www.mfiap.com/airsoft/acce/m4-fake.htm

If you order be sure and tell them you have the Storm and need a 3/4" adapter.

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[PAOLO721]

.............picked up a 9mm Storm yesterday (have .45 version on order) and took it to the range today. The night before I read the manual, field stripped it, cleaned and relubed it. I brought 200 rounds to the range, which is an indoor 100' range. At 60' with the iron sights I put 20 rounds through one hole, the size of a quarter, using Caldwell rest bags. I was firing 115gr PMP ammo. Not a single hiccup and recoil was very mild.

On the negative side the 10 round Beretta mags were a b@#%h to load. I guess I am spoiled using Wilson Combat mags in my Kimber 1911's. They seemed to get a little easier by the time I left. Either that, or my thumb was just numb by then. Also, the trigger had too much take up and was not smooth enough for my liking. Hopefully the latter trigger problem will improve with a few more hundred rounds through it. All in all though, I was very impressed with it.

I decided on which red dot to get. I am going to pick up a Nikon Monarch VSD tomorrow. Sweet scope, adjustable 1, 4, 6, or 10 MOA dot. It also has 11 different bightness settings. Now if I can just get my top rail, I will be a happy camper.:D

[tc300mag1]

I read somewhere they were gonna offer kits/magwells/inserts(or something like that) to be able to use mags from other guns

Are they or not im tempted to buy one in 45

[Kentucky Rifle]

Is the Storm's barrel "blackened" stainless steel? Also, the Storm I was looking at seemed quite short "on the sling". So do you "African carry". (Muzzle down.) Also, the charging handle can be switched to the left side--right?
I'm an "ambi", so I think I'd like left side better.
Maybe<dammit>I shouldn't have, but I passed on the black one in hopes the blue one will be sorta gray. I've got a red dot sight that's silver. That might look better on a "grayish" Storm.

Thanks,
KR

[WheelMan]

If they made one in 10mm I'd buy it

[Third_Rail]

Ditto, WheelMan.

[PAOLO721]

Is the Storm's barrel "blackened" stainless steel? Also, the Storm I was looking at seemed quite short "on the sling". So do you "African carry". (Muzzle down.) Also, the charging handle can be switched to the left side--right?

I don't know about stainless steel, but I do know that it is chrome lined. Also, I do carry it muzzle down and yes, the Storm is totally ambi. You can even make it eject to the left. :cool:

Maybe <dammit> I shouldn't have, but I passed on the black one in hopes the blue one will be sorta gray. I've got a red dot sight that's silver. That might look better on a "grayish" Storm.

Originally, BUSA had planned on having the black Storms for LEO's only and the gray:barf: for the public, but they ran some focus groups and 97% wanted the black so no gray storms will be made, just the black.

I read somewhere they were gonna offer kits/magwells/inserts(or something like that) to be able to use mags from other guns

I just don't know the answer to that.

[Kentucky Rifle]

KR

[tc300mag1]

Thanks Paolo

Guess ill keep waiting to see what there gonna do only reason i didnt buy HK carbine was it wont take my pistol mags

[r60us]

I as everyone else like the storm, however it has one of the worst triggers I have ever felt. It has tons of creep and is way to heavy.

It is not just one gun, I have had two and tried a third they are all poor.

Has anyone figured out an easy trigger job or found someone that sells lighter springs?

It is very sad to see such a nice weapon have such a bad trigger!

[Lobotomy Boy]

This is the first I've heard of the Storm having a poor trigger. One of the biggest surprises of the Ruger PC9 was its smooth trigger.

Has anyone seen the .45 caliber version of the Storm? The Beretta web site lists it as available, but I have yet to see one anywhere.

[QB]

I consider the trigger on my Storm excellent but I suppose we could all have a different opinion of what a smooth trigger is. I didn't really notice creep or that it was particularly heavy. But all I have to compare it with is two Special Weapon rifles.

[Lobotomy Boy]

Perhaps r60us (you a BMW fan?) had some sort of defective trigger? Perhaps there is a burr or some other type of imperfection in the mechanism?

[natedog]

MadMaxx, that is a very nice carbine indeed. Do you always keep the bipod on? To me, it seems that a bipod would be counter-productive on such a light weight, handy carbine.

[MaddMaxx]

Natedog...I don't use the Bi-pod..just on there for the pic.

As to the storm trigger pull...it sucks. I took my trigger housing apart and cleaned up the burrs and such which were left over from the stamping process. I now have about a 4-lb. trigger and it is smooth and I can say the Storm is fun to shoot..fact I'm going to the range tomorrow to try some of the S&B & Santa Barbara ammo.

By the way some of you may not know it but there is a site showing how to Disassemble the storm. Click on the "GALLERY" button located on the home page....


http://www.tacticalexcellence.com/

Use the instructions to take the trigger apart and clean it up some.:)


By the way I lowered my scope on the Storm

I had been using a 1" riser block but the scope looked goofy sitting so high up. Had no choice but to use the 1" riser as the rear sight ears were in the way of my scope(see the pic of the Storm with the riser installed on page 3 of this thread ).

Got out my Dremel and took out some of the material between the rear "Sight Ears" and made room for my scope...the results is in the picture below. Is one of the advantages in having a "Plastic" rifle..you can sculpt it. :D

Since I intend to use the rifle scoped all the time this works better and looks great. The "iron Sights" still work but not with the scope in place.

Note: No the front sight does not interfere with the sightpicture of the scope.


http://www.hunt101.com/img/100500.jpg (http://www.hunt101.com/?p=100500&c=500&z=1):

[Onslaught]

I read somewhere they were gonna offer kits/magwells/inserts(or something like that) to be able to use mags from other guns
I e-mailed a few questions to Beretta USA about the Storm some months ago, including this one. I mentioned the large market available if the storm had an adapter to use Glock mags.

I didn't save the exact reply, but it was something along the lines of "we have no plans to adapt the Storm to use other manufacturers' magazines."

I got the feeling from the response that it wasn't a real popular question.

Hey Madd Maxx... what brand of scope is that on yours?

[MaddMaxx]

Hmmmmmm My pic of the Storm w/lowered scope disappeared above.

Onslaught It is a Ncstar 3-12X50 with electronic illuminated crosshairs & mil-dot . The illuminated sights come in handy for shooting varmints in late evening.

Nice lil scope and it is installed on extra-tall NcStar rings. I like the mil-dot reticle because it works as a range-finder and is easy to use if you zero @ 25 yards.

This was an extra scope I had used on an Ar-15 and I like it very much..

[PAOLO721]

by MaddMaxx Hmmmmmm My pic of the Storm w/lowered scope disappeared above.

It's there when I look at it. :rolleyes: Must be a problem on your end.

[MaddMaxx]

Whoops..yeah there it is...had my security setting to tight.




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Beretta needs to address the magazine catch latch problem. :fire:

I went out to the range today and fired maybe 500 rds. Then the problem started with the magazines..the 10rders which came with the Storm..a factory 20rderand a M-gar 20rders started dropping. Pissed me off!!

When I got home I took the Magazine pin and latch out of the rifle and checked it out. Three problems which I found.

One....the latch(a flat piece of metal)had worn and bent down on the ends. I took the latch out and reveresed the ends thus making a nice squared end again.

Two...the lil hairpin looking pin which holds pressure on the magazine latch is not doing its job. There are two lil holes where each of the ends of the spring go into. The shorter side of the pin..the side which "pushes" the latch into the magazine was worn into an oval shape...should be round. This allows the end of the spring to be loose and does not push the latch all the way into the magazine. I will see if I can "jam" something to take up the slack in the hole.

Three....The plastic push button was too tight when inserted into position. I took the button out and used an emory file to smooth out the pin/button so it moves loose in the rifle. Works relly well now.

I now need to work on making the hole which the (hair)pin goes into tighter so the spring will push the latch all the way into the magazine.

Beretta really needs to fix this Magazine latch problem.



Another problem at the range::uhoh:

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I purchased some Sellier & Bellot 9mm 115 gr fmj ammo from cheaper than dirt to give them a try.

BIG PROBLEM!! :mad:

The stuff wouldn't shoot. After inspecting the rounds it appears the primer is too far into the shell casing. When I fired the firing pin could not go far enought to ignite the round. When I looked at the primer there was a very small dimple in it. Out of the one box I tried only about four worked and fired right. I had some Federals with me and no problems at all with them. I could see the Federal rounds primer stuck out futher than the S&B primer.

I noticed the S&B rounds have a red coloring to them. Don't know if this means the rounds were marked as defective. Has anyone shot this ammo before? Did your ammo have red markings on the primer?

I will call CTD tomorrow and see what they have to say. So far I have shot Federal and Winchester Whitebox with no problems.

[Kentucky Rifle]

Anyone else have the mag latch problem like Maxx described? Pretty big disappointment to read his post. I'm hoping that it's just a bad batch of latches. Maybe a heat treating problem or something.<dammit> A Storm was going to be my next purchase. Now, I figure that "the bugs" aren't worked out yet.
You guys with high round counts--Please take a look at your latch tonight. You can probably see enough if you push the button and look into the empty handle with a flashlight at the same time.

:mad:
KR

[JWH 223]

Maddmaxx:

That looks real good....you did a nice job on that.

I bought a SW5-PDW and never shot the Storm anymore....I sold it, that storm blew through town quick in my case.

[MaddMaxx]

Well here you go on the Magazines drop fix.
http://www.berettaforum.net/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=000325

The Silencer had to come off the Storm. I hated to do so as I liked the look. Seems the way it is made the pressure from the gas which follows the bullet will knock it loose. I am having a special unit built to go on the Storm which will look good and stay put. The only thing I don't like about the Storm is the toothpick barrel...looks dorky..

I will post a pic of the new barrel treatment next week. Meanwhile the silencer goes back on my AR-15.

[Kentucky Rifle]

A 3/32" bend with needle nose pliars and you're golden?

KR