Trouble with .45acp handload


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FullMetalJckt
May 22, 2010, 07:05 PM
I loaded some 45acp and went to the range yesterday.

OAL is set to 1.245
Powder is IMR 700x - 4.5 grains
brass is mix of PPC, R P headstamps
bullets are 230gr TMJ copper plated leads
CCI primers
Crimp was stout - I could see it (I knoe this is bad as of now:banghead:)

I fired 5 shots with no problem, but the next went off and got stuck in the barrel. So i pushed the bullet out with a rod and continued.

Can a hearty crimp cause this?

I also had a round fire, but the bullet didn't leave the case!?!

Help would be greatly appriciated.
Thanks.

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Jumping Frog
May 22, 2010, 07:15 PM
Do you visually verify the powder level of every round you load?

Sounds like you had two rounds with a primer but no powder.

Jayhawker
May 22, 2010, 07:17 PM
You've got to wonder if there was powder in those cases. If it was the crimp, you must have really put the kabosh on it. The load is very mild and that with the crimp may have done it but my first vote is no powder.

FullMetalJckt
May 22, 2010, 07:18 PM
I visually checked every load. I only load 50 at a time.

I mite be crazy but could sweat soil powder. mean if i looked over the cases and sweat fell into a case, could that cause my problem?

SlamFire1
May 22, 2010, 07:22 PM
Can a hearty crimp cause this?

No. Not if a reasonable amount of powder was in the case.

I am unfamiliar with the powder you are using, but if you had a chronograph you would be able to tell if something was wrong due to low velocities.

I also had a round fire, but the bullet didn't leave the case!?!

Me thinks it is likely you made a charging error.

Walkalong
May 22, 2010, 07:26 PM
Me thinks it is likely you made a charging error.
Most certainly.


4.5 Grs 0f 700X is pretty light, should have gotten the bullet out of the barrel every time. I would go to 4.8, make sure there is powder in every case, and try again.

DIV03
May 22, 2010, 07:29 PM
Sure sounds like a primer only load. A Squib.............

FullMetalJckt
May 22, 2010, 07:29 PM
Okay i'll try a heavier load of 4.8 grs and a lighter crimp. will get back to yall with the results in a few days.

Jayhawker
May 22, 2010, 07:33 PM
Most folks including myself crimp to .469" or .470" as measured as close to the end of the case as possible. Basically its no crimp at all.

Walkalong
May 22, 2010, 07:46 PM
Here are a couple of pics of my crimp (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6284211&postcount=63). Just enough to remove the bell, or a hair more.

ants
May 22, 2010, 08:19 PM
Moderators: Consider putting together a sticky of Walkalong's excellent photographs illustrating the product of good technique. Not just this thread, but many others over the years. Maybe AC will consider consolidating some past images and adding more as required.

ants
May 22, 2010, 08:22 PM
Yes, sweat can contaminate powder and cause it to fail. So can oil, grease, water, just about anything wet. Dust, dirt, grit and other contaminants are also bad news.

Given the symptoms you listed, it is more common to have no powder or insufficient powder. But if you know you dropped wet contaminant into the powder, that would likely be your culprit.

redneck2
May 22, 2010, 08:35 PM
That is the very starting load. 700x is a slow powder. I'd bump the charge weight a little.

ranger335v
May 22, 2010, 08:51 PM
No crimp can prevent a bullet from flying. Low or no powder charge.

You would have been sweating like a prostitute in a fire and brimstone evangelical revival meeting for sweat to have caused that and even then the unburned powder would have clogged inside the bore.

Walkalong
May 22, 2010, 09:55 PM
700x is a slow powder.
700X is a relatively fast powder. Perhaps you were thinking of 800X which is more of a medium speed powder.

Sunray
May 23, 2010, 12:07 AM
"...sweat fell into a case..." Yep. It's salt water. If you sweat that much, wear a head band.
"...Can a hearty crimp cause this?..." That's a cartridge with no powder. Called a 'squib'. Very bad ju-ju if you don't notice it. Means a new barrel.

dc.fireman
May 23, 2010, 01:38 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=505460

I third the motion on a missed/light powder charge. I've used 4.0-4.8 gr. of 700x, my current load being 4.5. I use just the slightest crimp on the case mouth, but load to 1.265" as opposed to 1.245".

ArchAngelCD
May 23, 2010, 02:02 AM
Not much left to do here except wait for the next range report, good luck...

FullMetalJckt
May 23, 2010, 10:16 PM
well went to the range after loading 30 more rounds. I visually inspected each round to make sure there was sufficient powder.

out of 30 I had 2 get stuck in the barrel and one go off but the round didn't leave the case.

Maybe my powder is contaminated.

I shall pick up some new powder tomarrow mourn. Do ya'll have any powder preferences and reasons.

Thanks,
FMJ

Walkalong
May 23, 2010, 10:55 PM
Hard to beat W-231 in .45 for an overall good powder, but Clays, AA #2, N310, N320, Competition, & WST are other good fast powders. AA #5, WSF, Unique, Universal Clays and N340 are good medium speed powders for .45.

Many powders will work just fine in .45 ACP.

MifflinKid
May 23, 2010, 10:57 PM
Try pulling the bullet on the round that did not fire.

Is there powder in it?

ArchAngelCD
May 23, 2010, 11:11 PM
Wow, something is very wrong if you are getting round that aren't firing. I agree you should try a fresh can of powder. (are your primers OK??)
Do ya'll have any powder preferences and reasons.

Thanks,
FMJ
I'll add my voice to W231 (HP-38), it's my favorite .45 Auto powder.
I've also used AA#5 in the .45 Auto with good success. (it was specifically designed for the .45 Auto)

FullMetalJckt
May 24, 2010, 02:51 PM
i Just got the primers a few weeks ago. I store them inside where its cool and dry. Futhermore, I never touch them as i use an auto prime. However, Its very possible they where incorrectly stored by the gun shop i bought 'em from.

Thoughts?

FullMetalJckt
May 24, 2010, 02:55 PM
Try pulling the bullet on the round that did not fire.

Is there powder in it?

I pulled the bullet. No powder and the primer definantly ignited.

arizona_cards_11
May 24, 2010, 03:55 PM
I pulled the bullet. No powder and the primer definantly ignited.
Don't worry, happens to the best of us from time to time.

Walkalong
May 24, 2010, 03:59 PM
No it doesn't. ;)

arizona_cards_11
May 24, 2010, 04:05 PM
No it doesn't. ;)
I was trying to make him feel better......:p

:neener: (I'm squibless thus far also)

FullMetalJckt
May 25, 2010, 12:21 AM
went bak to the range today. fired 100 rounds with no problems.

I figure the most likely thing that happend, some squibs.

Thanks, Im goin to load some more, carefully checking powder levels.
FMJ

bb21
May 25, 2010, 11:55 AM
One thing you could try is only put 20 or so in your load tray it is easier to confirm the powder level when you don't have to look at so many all at once. I only do about 25 at a time, but I am an error on the side of caution kind of guy. Good Luck!

Tuckerp229
May 30, 2010, 11:16 PM
This sounds like a "Squib" round. No powder just primer. It pays for all of us to be vigilant when at the range. Any cartridge from any source has a chance of being made wrong. Listening and feeling for any change when shooting at the range has stopped me more than once from firing another round down the pipe. I wan to emphasize this can happen even with factory ammo...yes the odds are low just keep in mind this statistical probability is why they have Liability insurance.

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