Hazmat Fees


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2popfire
May 23, 2010, 12:38 AM
I'm new to all this and have not even ordered my first lot of primers and powder, but i'm already in shock at the hazmat fees plus shipping. What is the best way to order to reduce the hit? I was just looking at Midway and they are pretty much out of stock on both small and large pistol primers, whats up there??

Joe

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Jesse Heywood
May 23, 2010, 12:47 AM
The parcel companies have found a new cash cow. The only thing to do when you can't by things ftf is to max out the order with primers or powder. Contact the company you're ordering from, most will help figure out the best way to hit max weight or volume.

All ammo and components have been short since the last presidential election. Combine people running scared with a war in progress and you have a shortage. Primers and powder are now starting to be available again.

Rokman
May 23, 2010, 12:54 AM
You need to order a pretty big shipment to make up for the fees and shipping. Some of the online vendors will have their powder priced $5-10 dollars less per pound than my local shops, so you can make it up if you order more. In my state I do not have to pay salestax either. Throw in 5,000 primers if you can find them and that helps. The hazmat fee stinks and it appears thet it is only going up.

Sunray
May 23, 2010, 12:59 AM
"...What is the best way to order to reduce the hit?..." Buy components locally. Buying 'em on-line is expensive. Your local gun shop can order anything you want in any quantity you want. Don't buy anything except primers in bulk until you have worked up the load.
Shipping costs are set by the carrier, not the seller. Shipping costs are about the weight and size of the package. Hazmat fees are Federal, I think.
Midway isn't the least expensive place either.
Upstate NY anywhere near Barfalo?(Spent a week with a broken vehicle there. Still have nightmares.) Buffalo Gun Centre at 3385 Harlem Rd is a good place for a lot of stuff. (716) 835-1546 FAX: 833-2265
http://www.buffaloguncenter.com/

2popfire
May 23, 2010, 01:43 AM
Sunray, no I'm near Poughkeepsie,NY about 90 miles north of the rotten apple, but thanks for the tip and I will have to check out the local guys and see how the pricing looks. At $25.00 per shipment for hazmat it might very well be cheaper to support the home town gun shop, and better for all in the long run!

Joe

Sunray
May 23, 2010, 02:17 AM
"...might very well be cheaper to support the home town gun shop..." Yep. Between shipping and hazmat, buying components locally is the only way to go. Even if the prices are a bit higher. The local shop guys will help you get started too. Some shops run reloading clinics as well. Mostly to drum up sales. That's not a bad thing.
Ask 'em about local cast bullet suppliers too. Far less expensive to shoot regularly than jacketed.
4.5 grains of Bullseye with a cast 230 grain RN or FP(flat point)bullet is a nice, gentle, scary accurate, .45 ACP load.
Oh, and if you don't belong to a shooting club, join one. You'll meet some great people and other doors will open.

ArchAngelCD
May 23, 2010, 03:10 AM
As long as the vendor will ship primers and powder in the same box it's not that bad paying only 1 hazmat fee but if they charge you twice find a new vendor. Powder Valley (http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/) charges only 1 hazmat fee and will combine primers and powder in the same shipment.

EddieNFL
May 23, 2010, 08:53 AM
Buy components locally. Buying 'em on-line is expensive.

At yesterday's GS Wolf primers were $35 per K. My last order (couple of months ago), I paid $23.60 per K for RP 7-1/2s (shipping and HAZMAT included). Savings on powder are similar.

Buy the occasional pound at the LGS for load testing. Once you're set, order bulk. If you don't need 24 pounds of powder, get a few fellow shooters to order. I usually have to turn away a few guys. Last shipment was two containers (two HAZMAT fees). Shipping and HAZMAT added a whopping $1.10 to each K primers and pound of powder. The LGS or gunshow can't touch that.

Rokman
May 23, 2010, 10:42 AM
My local gun shops want $30-$35 for a pound of powder. I will not buy from them. Bass Pro wants $28-$29 per pound. Not from them either. Cabela's wants $23-$25 per pound. Will buy from them if they have anything. Powder Valley is a whole bunch cheaper.

I did not even mention how much my local gun shop wants for their almost non-existent selection of primers.

RustyFN
May 23, 2010, 12:34 PM
Buy components locally. Buying 'em on-line is expensive.

I wish I could say that. I don't have many local places close to me and the cheapest for primers is over $40 per 1K. I can buy them a lot cheaper on line when in stock. For example at Graf's SP primers are $135 per 5K. You can order 50,000 on one hazmat. You get a 5% discount on orders over $500.

$135 X 10 = $1,350
with 5% discount = $1,282.50
free shipping, handling = $4.50
hazmat = $22.50
total = $1,309.50
$26.19 per 1,000


I got my last 50,000 order at $16 per 1,000 and have enough to get me through the year, maybe longer. As you can see it is well worth it to buy in bulk. Go in with a couple of friends and it will be easier on your wallet. If things ever get back to normal as far as primers being in stock my next order will be with a few friends for around 300,000 and have them shipped LTL to work. That way there is no hazmat fee. :D

arizona_cards_11
May 23, 2010, 01:01 PM
YOU BOUGHT 50,000 PRIMERS ONLINE..........:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Guillermo
May 23, 2010, 01:07 PM
Rusty shoots

ALOT!!!

Vacek
May 23, 2010, 02:15 PM
WalMart (northeast colorado) has the lowest prices I have seen on powder in 2010. You have to keep you eye out as I have never seen more than 3-5 different types of powder at any time, but the variety seems to differ week to week, but only Alliant and IMR seem to be available at these stores. The price has been very reasonable in the $22 / lb range.

Understanding that their is a lot of bad feelings regarding buying WalMart, in this case they have decent prices and some supply.

Rokman
May 23, 2010, 02:31 PM
I wish my Wal Mart had Alliant and IMR powder.

Rusty do you really go through 50,000 primers in one year? That is a lot of shooting. Do you buy 50,000 bullets from Grafs also?

Boxhead
May 23, 2010, 02:43 PM
I recommend Powder Valley and large quantities. I just had 16# of powder delivered and saved over anyone local.

RustyFN
May 23, 2010, 05:10 PM
YOU BOUGHT 50,000 PRIMERS ONLINE..........

Yes, more than once. :D

Rusty do you really go through 50,000 primers in one year? That is a lot of shooting. Do you buy 50,000 bullets from Grafs also?

No, I split that with a couple of friends. We max out the hazmat fee every time to make it worth it. I buy bullets where ever I find them the cheapest. I don't buy 50,000 at a time but I do try to buy 3 to 4 thousand at a time. I cast my pistol bullets so I never have a problem getting those. I think the largest bullet buy I did was 7,800 for $199 for my RRA AR. I couldn't pass up that price.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8dc36b3127ccec3368c89b69d00000010O00DZOGblm4Yg9vPhI/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

sniper5
May 23, 2010, 05:18 PM
Recently I heard Jesse Abbate on a show saying that when practicing for a match she'll shoot about 1,000 rounds a day. Won't take long to go through 50,000 at that pace.

bds
May 23, 2010, 05:30 PM
Recently I heard Jesse Abbate on a show saying that when practicing for a match she'll shoot about 1,000 rounds a day.
Yes, our USPSA match practice sessions using previous month's staging setup (it is a dedicated action pistol range with public pistol range in another part) will easily shoot 500-1000 rounds per shooter as we go through the stages multiple times (each run takes about 150-200 rounds).

Some shooters will concentrate on a particular part of the stage he/she had difficulty with and repeat that stage several times. My match practice / play plinking record is about 2500 rounds in a long day of shooting and we all took 4000 rounds each.

Rokman
May 23, 2010, 06:44 PM
Rusty, you guys must have guns a blazin'. I wish I had time to reload that much, much less the time to shoot it.

RustyFN
May 23, 2010, 08:32 PM
I don't shoot as much as I would like to. I go a couple times a month but will try to go at least once a week during summer. When I go I shoot a minimum of 300 9mm, 150 45 auto and 200 223.

Guillermo
May 23, 2010, 09:10 PM
I am not sure that I could afford all of the targets...let alone the ammo

Publius1688
May 24, 2010, 12:01 AM
-get with a buddy and split up your mazmat fee,
or
-stock up like crazy. You'll ALWAYS need primers! If you are a handgunner, buy 5k of SP and LP. Likewise for rifles. You'll be amazed how fast you shoot through them. Also, once you settle on a favorite group of powders, buy 5 lbs at a time. Get yourself a locking storage arrangement in your workshop, and you are good to go.

ArchAngelCD
May 24, 2010, 12:09 AM
Prices have come down on powder and primers locally. (although not nearly enough) Powder is $24.95/lb and CCI primers are $28.95/1000.

RUSTY
Sorry, OT
How do you like that Cabela's tumbler? I'm in the market for a new one...

evan price
May 24, 2010, 02:10 AM
@ ArchAngel:

The Cabela's tumblers are the Berry's tumblers but just colored green instead of blue. A good unit, one of the best for its size IMHO.

Sunray
May 24, 2010, 03:49 AM
"...my local gun shop wants..." It's all about volume buying. Small shops just can't afford to buy in volume(everything any shop has is purchased at dealer prices. They don't get anything for free.), so they don't get volume discounts or better credit terms from their suppliers. They might not get credit terms at all. COD for everything. Hence, they have to have higher prices.
Work up the load, then buy an 8 lb keg.

NuJudge
May 24, 2010, 07:28 AM
Can I suggest you look for a local gun club? They frequently do 'Group Buy' bulk purchases. Even if it is a shotgun club, if they are buying from a supplier that stocks pistol supplies also, it's no problem for them to take care of you too.

CDD

Rokman
May 24, 2010, 10:53 AM
If you find a powder that you really like and use a lot, buy an 8lb. keg, because the cost of it is usually like getting a pound free.

Midsouth Shooters Supply has the same tumbler as Berry's/Cabelas, just in red for about $46.

oneounceload
May 24, 2010, 02:19 PM
Prices have come down on powder and primers locally. (although not nearly enough) Powder is $24.95/lb and CCI primers are $28.95/1000.

I just bought an 8# jug of Clays (good for pistol too), for 115 OTD. That makes it about $14.37/lb. Buying bulk is the only way to save on reloading costs

parker51
May 24, 2010, 04:03 PM
Most of the LG Stores here in Virginia Beach are still charging $50+ per 1,000 for Win LR and Win SR plus 5% sales tax. When I ordered mine, Cabela's had them listed for $23.00 per 1,000 plus shipping and hazmat fees. I ordered 5,000 from Cabelas, so even with paying shipping and hazmat fees I still saved $15.60 per 1,000. To be fair, I did purchase 1,000 LRM primers at the C2 Shooting Center (located in Pungo) this past weekend for $34.00. They have several thousand primers in stock (including CCI LR Bench Rest, CCI SP, Win LP, Win LR and Fed SR), ranging from $32 to $34 per 1,000.

RustyFN
May 24, 2010, 08:56 PM
RUSTY
Sorry, OT
How do you like that Cabela's tumbler? I'm in the market for a new one...

AA how's it going. I am very happy with the Cabela's tumbler. It is a large capacity tumbler, advertised to hold 650 38 spcl cases. It is very light weight and quiet. I tumble in the garage and when I turn it on and go into the house I can't hear it after I close the door behind me. I have only had it two years but have friends that have had theirs for seven years or more with no problems. That's why I bought mine.

gearjammer-2000
May 24, 2010, 11:15 PM
just a word on haz-mat fees,

this is the biggest rip off being played on the public today. I am an O/O and haul haz-mat all the time and believe me we are not getting any or very little for hauling it, someone mentioned that it is a cash cow and its a golden cow for the companies charging for it!!!

these shippers are charging sometimes 20 to 30 bucks extra for a ten pound package of whatever because its hazmat and a 53' trailer can hold 40,000 lbs PLUS and you can see that they are making a TON of money off of this.

it isn't the drivers of the trucks making anything extra, FED EX, UPS, ect are the ones cashing in along with the crooked Brokers in trucking.

everyone should call,write,e-mail their elected officials about this grand rip off and don't forget to write the companies that are selling this rip off scam and let them all know your displeasure.

ArchAngelCD
May 24, 2010, 11:22 PM
Thank you Rusty...

RVenick
May 25, 2010, 10:59 AM
Like someone above posted group buys are the way to go. I have 4 or 5 buds that all reload. When someone needs something the emails go out and we usually end up maxing out the 48lb hazmat limit. Our last order was right at $1000 my part of the total shipping was $12.50 that is less then I would have paid in sales tax let alone the savings on powder and primers if I had bought them locally. I have no problem supporting the local dealer but I refuse to be overcharged by over 25%.

JimKirk
May 25, 2010, 05:10 PM
everyone should call,write,e-mail their elected officials about this grand rip off and don't forget to write the companies that are selling this rip off scam and let them all know your displeasure.

Good Idea! If we would all bombard our elected official with email and letters someone may look into this "license to steal" !

I understand some products are really dangerous to ship, but the way primers and powder is package there is little chance of real danger.

I worked for the USPS for 35 years and very little of the packages with Haz. markings got any different handling than the others. The only one I remember that got special handling was the skunk pee that a local guy shipped and it did Not have any Haz markings at all.

Jimmy K

RustyFN
May 25, 2010, 08:37 PM
The only one I remember that got special handling was the skunk pee that a local guy shipped and it did have any Haz markings at all.

Ooooooooo now that could have been bad. :D

EddieNFL
May 25, 2010, 10:08 PM
I shipped quite a bit of HAZMAT when I was AD. Completing the paperwork required is easily worth $25.00.

gearjammer-2000
May 25, 2010, 11:30 PM
25.00 for 5 minutes work, I need to find a job like that.

Redneck with a 40
May 25, 2010, 11:48 PM
If I'm buying powder and primers online, and I have, I buy at least 16 lbs of powder and 5000 primers, combined under one fee. Its not bad under that scenario.

EddieNFL
May 26, 2010, 08:55 PM
25.00 for 5 minutes work, I need to find a job like that.
Plus time and money spent on (recurring) training, purchasing forms, accepting liability...

oneounceload
May 26, 2010, 10:29 PM
I worked for the USPS for 35 years and very little of the packages with Haz. markings got any different handling than the others. The only one I remember that got special handling was the skunk pee that a local guy shipped and it did Not have any Haz markings at all

USPS does not allow hazmats to be shipped via their system

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