BHP versus 9mm 1911?


PDA






Lvl21nerd
May 23, 2010, 05:01 PM
which do you prefer?

please, nobody comment just to say something like "forget 9mm, shoot a .45"

so its a 9mm Browning designed shootout :D

If you enjoyed reading about "BHP versus 9mm 1911?" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
millertyme
May 23, 2010, 05:04 PM
I'd take the BHP any day of the week.

BacSi67
May 23, 2010, 05:42 PM
Bought a Springfield 1911 9MM about a year ago. Have an old Hi-Power. Love them both, and both are accurate.
However the sights on the 1911 are much easier to pick up quickly compared to the Hi-Power.
1911 9MM wins.

Runningman
May 23, 2010, 05:50 PM
The only 1911 9mm I ever owned in 9mm was not very reliable compared to most modern 9mms. Personally I think the 38 Super is a better fit in the 1911 because it cartridge length is mostly the same as the 45 auto. New BHP are over priced for what you get IMO.

hank327
May 23, 2010, 06:01 PM
In 9x19 mm (Luger), I think the Hi-Power is better as it was designed with that cartridge in mind. In the 1911, the 9 mm is somewhat on the short side for the design. I really like the 38 Super in the 1911 and think it is a much better fit for that pistol. Admitting this may be heresy, but I actually like my 5 inch 38 Super better than my 45.

MattTheHat
May 23, 2010, 06:15 PM
I've owned both. I much prefer shooting 9mm from a full sized 1911 than the BHP. Most of that has to do with the fact that I'm used to the platform in several other calibers.

The trigger on the 1911 is lighter, smoother and has MUCH less take-up than the BHP. If the BHP has a magazine disconnect, that adds even more weight to the trigger pull.

-Matt

jaysouth
May 23, 2010, 06:54 PM
I have an STI Trojan in 9mm. I also have a BHP full house custom from ARS.

The Trojan outshoots the BHP any day of the week despite the thousand dollars worth of custom work on the Browning.

No comparison on the availablity of aftermarket goodies.

tekarra
May 23, 2010, 09:21 PM
Both are fine pistols, but I prefer the Hi Power as it just suits me better than the 1911.

earlthegoat2
May 23, 2010, 09:34 PM
I really wish someone would design a Hi Power with a 1911 style trigger and no mag safety.

Other than that I can live with what the BHP has and has not compared to the 1911 so I say BHP. Styling is nicer with the Browning as well. Most would say this is not the case but since I like my 1911s looking like Milspecs and my HPs also looking plain and stock the HP gets the vote on styling. I have found the manual safety to be way easier to use than any 1911 safety and have had no instances of it coming off by itself.

After having a few 1911s I can say I am sold on the HP. For everyones information the GP35 had only a little JMB design left in it after Saive got done with it. Saive took some of the 1911 features and incorporated them after the patent expired. The HPs primary innovation, the double column magazine, was all Saive.

Gordon
May 23, 2010, 09:52 PM
I am not sure! After the last 45 years with the 1911 .45 fighting pistol , over the last 5 years I have been moving to first Beretta 92, then Glock 26 and finally landing on the good ol BHP. Either I feel I can hit better and the 9mm is enough- or I am getting old!
Well I will tell you this: My MK2 Military Belgian Browning is every bit as reliable as a 1911a1 and just that much lighter, smaller and sleeker in slide to be a better CCW gun for me. With modern Hollow points like Ranger Bonded 127 +p ammo I feel well armed for an everyday fighting pistol. If I suspect ahead of time I was gonna have any of those "special" days again, then I would go with a 1911/ P-14 Para ordinance .45 , just saying!

Wags
May 23, 2010, 10:32 PM
I prefer my Hi-Powers over any other carry pistol I own. But this little Colt Combat Commander in 9mm blessed at Novaks a few years ago is growing on me.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/bwagss/ColtBMW.jpg

Kingofthehill
May 23, 2010, 10:47 PM
I have a 9mm STI Trojan 1911 and a BHP 9mm.

I'll take the STI any day of the week over the BHP.. Not saying the BHP isn't a fantastic firearm, I just like the feel, style, shape of the 1911's

JOe

Quack
May 24, 2010, 12:32 AM
1911

robctwo
May 24, 2010, 01:30 AM
I bought a BHP years ago. Had a trigger job. Changed out the sights. Put in a Bar-Sto barrel.

Then I bought a Les Baer PII 9mm. Put on a fiber optic front sight. Shot 10,000 rounds or so through it. Shot it at steel challenge this morning. Had a few of the other shooters drooling.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/robctwo/DSCN0261.jpg

The BHP doesn't get out much any more.

gbw
May 24, 2010, 01:58 AM
Another vote for HP. Designed around the 9mm, it fits my hand better than any other large auto. Also I have never seen one malfunction in several thousand rounds and several different pistols.

I'm a huge 1911 fan and own some, but they were designed around the .45. 9mm in them seems sort of inefficient somehow.

But no bad choice here.

WC145
May 24, 2010, 10:20 AM
I've never shot a HP but I have several 1911's including a new S&W SW1911 9mm Pro Series that I am very happy with. It is accurate, reliable, and fast shooting, in fact it's so good I have no interest in any other 9mm's.

rellascout
May 24, 2010, 11:06 AM
To be fair and accurate Browning did not finish the design of the High Power. Dieudonné Saive is the one who finished the design and brought it to market in the form we have it today.

I prefer the BHP. Fits my hand better than the 1911 in 9mm. I owned a SW Pro 9mm for a month or so but it just did not do it for me. If I want to shoot 1911 I shoot 45 where its slimness and its design make 45 very shootable for me.

The BHP in 9mm on the other hand simply works for me. It is my go to gun. I own several variations from a pre T bone stock gun to a full custom job from Wild West Guns.

In the end it is more a matter of preference based on completely subjective criteria like the size of your hand. My preference does not translate to anyone else IMHO.

gc70
May 24, 2010, 11:20 AM
Fits my hand better than the 1911 in 9mm.

In the end it is more a matter of preference based on completely subjective criteria like the size of your hand.

Absolutely correct. The BHP is a sweet pistol design, but a 1911 fits my hand better.

Canuck-IL
May 24, 2010, 12:02 PM
In the end it is more a matter of preference based on completely subjective criteria like the size of your hand.
I think that's true but, I've never handled a BHP that had the kind of sweet trigger that is pretty easy to achieve with a 1911.
/Bryan

Snowdog
May 24, 2010, 12:14 PM
I have both but prefer the 1911 due to the trigger. Yes, both are SA, but both my 1911s have a nice, light and crisp trigger whereas my HP has a heavy and gritty trigger thanks in part to the magazine safety. Though you specified not to focus on caliber, I must say that plays a large part in my decision.

I do like both just fine, but enjoy my 1911s more.

distra
May 24, 2010, 12:19 PM
I'd have to say I like them both, but the BHP for a combat pistol and 1911 for target/pin shoots. Gotta' have both! :D I really prefer my 38 super 1911 to either, oh sorry didn't mean to introduce caliber into the response.;)

briang2ad
May 24, 2010, 09:02 PM
The HiPower was designed FOR the 9mm. The 1911 for the 45 ACP.

The Hipower is smaller, lighter, and has twice the capacity. It fits the hand well. It conceals better than a 1911 (Full Size - as good as a commander). It is combat accurate. It IS a better 9mm pistol for combat.

Is it a better range gun, to tweek, accurize, etc. etc.? No.

It is a better 9mm for its intended purpose.

vmr357
May 24, 2010, 09:58 PM
whereas my HP has a heavy and gritty trigger

It doesn't have to be that way. I have two Hi Powers and both have a very clean, crisp trigger. However, it does take a little work for that to happen and whoever is doing the work needs to know what he is doings. Mine have the mag disconnect removed, but that shouldn't be necessary if you want to keep it in.

The thumb safety seems to be a little more positive on the 1911s I've tried. On my HPs the older one is sort of stiff, the newer one moves quite freely.

I like the swinging trigger of the HP because I've shot a lot of revolvers. I've had a few unexpected hammer drops when I've looked at some light-triggered 1911s. It was a good thing the gun wasn't loaded. I like a crisp trigger, but I don't want it to break until I'm deliberately pulling it.

Vern

Hammerhead6814
May 24, 2010, 10:04 PM
BHP hands down. Easier to break down, more accurate for the money, magazines stretching from 13 to 17 rounds, people are ashamed of themselves when you out-shoot them and their new production Tupperware. :D

BullfrogKen
May 24, 2010, 10:46 PM
I like them both, but nothing really compares to the 1911 trigger. Every other design tries to find a way to get as good as the 1911 (consider the "safe-action" and other new polymer pistol designs), but there's nothing quite as good. And certainly nothing better.


Aftermarket parts selection for a 1911 is better, too. No auto-pistol can be made to fit a shooter's hand, complete with his preference for sighting systems or all other manner of personal preferences, moreso than an 1911.

Voland
May 24, 2010, 11:02 PM
YMMW but they are what they are...

BHP

Pro: 15 rounds, with slim grips fits my hand as good as a 1911.
Con: Trigger needs work but can be close to a 1911 if you play with it long enough

1911 -9mm
Pro: Sweet 1911 trigger perfect fit and balance
Con: 9 or 10 round mags, heavy if full size

I dont have a 9mm 1911 so I cant really say much about them but I sure do love my HP's...

V.

Dr.Rob
May 24, 2010, 11:42 PM
Both wearing Houge monogrips feel about the same in my hand... that said the 1911 trigger is better, even with the magazine disconnector removed from the HP.

I'd prefer the BHP over a 9mm 1911 though.

Too bad FN never made a .45 cal "Hi-Power."

BHPshooter
May 25, 2010, 12:37 AM
I think that's true but, I've never handled a BHP that had the kind of sweet trigger that is pretty easy to achieve with a 1911.

None of my 1911s had triggers as good as my BHPs (Some even with the mag disconnect in place, but I remove them anyway). I'm not talking about bargain basement 1911s, either... My point is that either can have a surprisingly crappy, or wonderfully sweet trigger. However, the BHP will never have the short reset and takeup that a 1911 can have.

To my hand, the BHP feels better, but the 1911 is a close second. Feel is the most important factor, obviously, but they share the same manual of arms... pick the one that feels better to you, shoot the hell out of it, and don't look back.

It's generally true that it takes a little work (~15 minute mag disconnect removal) to get the BHP to shine, and to many (especially in the 1911 crowd, it seems), it's not worth it to them... More BHPs for me, I guess. :)

Wes

BullfrogKen
May 25, 2010, 12:46 AM
My wife's BHP had the disconnector disconnected. And Jim Garthwaite sprinkled a little pixie dust on it, too.

I've seen some half-dozen + Garthwaite BHP's that the group owns. Other than a gritty Colt that left the shop during the strike, none were ever better than even the basic, bare bones 1911. The straight back, bow-design of the 1911 is what makes it so uniquely special.


The BHP does have a slimmer slide. And it points nice, too.

sprice
May 25, 2010, 12:59 AM
bhp fo sho

Philo_Beddoe
May 26, 2010, 12:58 AM
high power, if browning thought he had perfection with the 1911, why didnt he just chamber the 1911 in 9mm instead of create a whole new design for the round.

Zak Smith
May 26, 2010, 01:17 AM
I've had some very, very nice BHPs. They carry like almost nothing else. But in the end I kept the Colt 9mm.
http://demigodllc.com/photo/YostBHP/smaller/157_5762_img.jpg (http://demigodllc.com/photo/YostBHP/?small=157_5762_img.jpg)

http://demigodllc.com/photo/Colt9mm/smaller/D462_9100_img.jpg (http://demigodllc.com/photo/Colt9mm/?small=D462_9100_img.jpg)

JTQ
May 26, 2010, 11:25 AM
if browning thought he had perfection with the 1911, why didnt he just chamber the 1911 in 9mm instead of create a whole new design for the round.
I think the French were asking for a different pistol and I believe Colt owned the 1911 patents.

I do like the HP take-down procedure much better than the 1911. You never see an HP with an "idiot" scratch.

sideways
May 26, 2010, 08:29 PM
I have both I like the lighter weight of the HP and it is also easier to disassemble and clean but you just cannot get that good trigger like you can with 1911 IMO

If you enjoyed reading about "BHP versus 9mm 1911?" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!