Yugo tokarev


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Flash!
May 24, 2010, 08:58 PM
Southern Ohio Guns has Yugo Tokarev's on sale! $189.00 I couldn't resist.... I have a Polish and a Romanian already, but had to have this one too as it holds one extra round. Any other Tok fans out there?

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Shadow 7D
May 24, 2010, 11:47 PM
Only 1 major problem

the M57 is not a C&R
so many collectors don't buy them

Flash!
May 25, 2010, 10:36 PM
after buying the Polish and Romanian with my c&r ffl, I was surprised to find out the Yugo is not C&R, but I had to have it. I don't mind paying the ffl transfer fee as the man who owns the gun store I use is a personal friend.

I just think these are amazing guns. I shoot at paper plates 50 yards out with these and do quite well..... I actually am more accurate with these than with other newer guns.

winchester '97
May 25, 2010, 10:49 PM
How accurate are tokarevs on average?, and do they shoot to point of aim, with their fixed sights that is my main concern before buying one. And im in the same boat as flash, i think its the narrow front sight that helps me, the wider the front sight the harder it is for me to aim.

bigfatdave
May 25, 2010, 11:39 PM
So the Yugo ones would take different magazines?
Is every variant on the Tokarev built to take a different mag, or is there a standard that most take?
I've got a CZ52 I like, but now that I'm stocking 7.62x25 I keep wondering why I don't have a second gun to take that ammo.

Flash!
May 26, 2010, 09:26 AM
the polish and romanian take the same 8 round mags..... the Yugo uses a 9 round mag.

Kman
May 27, 2010, 12:33 AM
the yugo has a much nicer safety, and once you shoot and carry the slimer Tok you'll leave that CZ52 tank at home. yep, they pretty much shoot to point of aim, quite an accurate round/pistol combination. Now how does one make it a double-stack? I'd love to see it designed like a Hi-Power.

azyogi
May 27, 2010, 12:49 AM
FWIW my 9 round Zastava Tokarev Magazines worked in a Norinco Tok. Those would be the 9mm type. +1 on the Yugo safety being better.

bigfatdave
May 27, 2010, 08:18 AM
Well, the CZ52 is a range toy and perhaps a civil-unrest option ... I have guns far more suitable for carry.
And my favorite holster-makers don't have a mold, I'm not a fan of loose holsters so one of these days I'm going to have to get some Kydex and leather and make myself a belt-slide OC holster for "that tank".
I like the CZ52's ergonomics for some reason ... but I like slim guns and the Tox keeps telling me to take it home.

But I'll have to check out these SOG guns, perhaps a FFL visit is in order, I'd be able to justify ordering a few tins of surplus ammo if I had two guns, particularly if MrsBFD liked one of them (she's not a fan of the CZ52 except as a spectator for the basketball-sized fireballs).

So, where does one get magazines and parts for these? And is there a custom-molded holster option for Tokarevs?

Onmilo
May 27, 2010, 10:07 AM
The Swedish made and still make the finest steel in the world and many gun manufacturers from that era relied on Swedish steel in firearms manufacture.

The Swedes being allied with Germany were rather reluctent to sell steel to com-bloc nations especially for the production of firearms meant for military service.

I am fairly certain most com-bloc guns are/were made from recycled tractor frames.
Not necessarily a bad thing, just rest assured they aren't made from the best or the finest steels.

That said, Yugoslavian Tokarevs differ in the mentioned longer nine shot magazine, different magazine release catch and different dimensions for the magazine catch slot, as such, these parts are not interchangeable with other versions of the Tokarev, nor are the grip panels.
Just about all other parts except possibly the trigger assembly should interchange with a bit of hand fitting.

Flash!
May 28, 2010, 10:27 PM
picked up my Yugo Tokarev today.... But I got a question for the Tok experts..... what is supposed to hold the left grip in place? With the safety off, the safety lever is holding on the grip. If I put the gun on safe, I can pull the left grip off quite easily.

Flash!
May 29, 2010, 12:35 AM
DOH! nevermind.... it was quite obvious once I cleaned enuff cosmoline off this gun.... as I have a C&R FFL I'm no stranger to cosmoline, but I've never seen this much on a handgun before.... the entire barrel was totally full of cosmoline..... but actually, if that grip had not been loose, I never would have gotten all the cosmoline out of the gun.....

rd2007
May 29, 2010, 05:35 PM
Their website says it is now C&R eligible. http://www.southernohiogun.com/memorial-day-sale/yugo-md57-tt-tokarev-pistol-w-hol-ex-m.html
Too bad I've seriously exceeded my quota for this month..

Lakeshore
May 29, 2010, 06:39 PM
hey Flash! what kind of shape is your Yugo Tok from SOG in? Let us know once you get all the cosmo off. A pic would be mahvelous.

Flash!
May 29, 2010, 07:12 PM
oh great! NOW they make it C&R after I paid the $20 ffl transfer fee..... oh well.... the money went to a friend....

I'm taking it to the range tomorrow to see how it shoots....

Flash!
May 29, 2010, 07:16 PM
Lakeshore..... I consider this gun to be in very good condition..... no really noticeable nicks or dings, barrel is not quite as shiny as I like but still looks very good. I did not pay extra for a handpick either..... at $189 this gun is a bargain. Came with a holster, cleaning rod, and two magazines.

bgrav321
May 30, 2010, 12:26 AM
I love my Romanian. My brother has a Polish...got to shoot them both today they're great guns.

Flash!
May 30, 2010, 06:18 PM
well.... this was not good..... took the Yugo Tok to the range for the first time today.... the slide would get stuck back about every third shot. The recoil spring and rod are coming out of place and sticking the slide all the way back. Takes a lot of strength to force the slide forward again and then use a screwdriver to pry out the recoil spring and rod. I'm gonna call SOG Tuesday to see if they will exchange this gun for another one.

ozarkgunner
May 31, 2010, 04:45 PM
I will be getting my fathers Tok next weekend. I don't know what make it is. I have fired it a few times, and never had a problem with it. As soon as I pick it up, and get to know it better, I will be looking to pick up another one or two. As bulk mil-surp is very cheap. and I can pick up another Tok and 1K rounds for the same price as a newer or more modern full size 9mm or other.

Flash!
June 1, 2010, 09:36 PM
this is the first time I've had to return anything to SOG, but their customer service has been good....they gave me a return authorization number with no questions asked and I will be getting a replacement sent......

marcodelat
June 10, 2010, 07:10 PM
Well my C&R M57 from SOG arrived a few hours ago... like my Polish a lot... but REALLY LOVE this Yugo Tok.

Came with a dark brown leather holster that is well used and pliable but in very good condition and two correct 9-round magazines - one used but not abused in good condition and the other "like new" packed with cosmo. Useless hard metal cleaning rod also came included in the package.

The pistol itself is in excellent condition... came packed in cosmo like the Yugo SKS rifles.

H series with matching serial #'s on barrel, slide and frame.

Also like most Yugoslavian firearms, rolled part numbers and electropencil re arsenal numbers are found on some of the parts; also all kinds of arsenal & re-arsenal stamps, including the renown "BK". :cool:

The bore is EXCELLENT and the bluing on the pistol is pristine except for a very light "idiot scratch"* on the slide from the slide lock. :cuss:

The extra round magazine makes for a longer grip... which really changes the whole ergonomics of the pistol.

Feels great & fits mu hand GREAT... actually feel is very much "1911-nish" as is the thumb safety which, like a 1911 is a hammer block safety.

Although these pistols have a magazine disconnect (maybe not a good thing?) they do not have a firing pin block, so other than the mag disconnect I think they are very much like a 1911 in feel and function.

This is the way the other Tok safeties should have been installed... instead of that fugly Mickey Mouse trigger block found on most imported Polish & all Romanian pistols... got to "hand it to Century" once again for that one!

All one can do is ask WHY!!!! :fire:

Anyway, if you have been pondering about whether you should pick one of these up... ponder no more and get one at this steal of a price...

Especially if you like 1911s... if you do, I guarantee you that you will love this pistol! :D

Forgot to mention that it took me about 2 hrs. to get the cosmo out & off... pretty easy to do actually using WD40 & rags, patches, etc. - then finished cleaning and oiled her down with CLP.

After function test called the rep i deal with at SOG, "Kelly" to thank her... always helps for "next time"....

stoney1666
June 11, 2010, 11:55 AM
The safety on mine screws up the trigger, if I take it off the trigger is OK, but still 10# pull. Hate to leave it off, but if I don't it takes 2 pulls of the trigger to make it fire. Any other fixes for the safety?

silverarrowv11
June 21, 2010, 07:17 PM
The safety on mine screws up the trigger, if I take it off the trigger is OK, but still 10# pull. Hate to leave it off, but if I don't it takes 2 pulls of the trigger to make it fire. Any other fixes for the safety?
hi stoney 1666 ! you have to file the bottom of the hammer assembly's sharp edges , that's what is causing it not to function properly . my opinion it's not the safety because i have the same gun (Yugo M 57 ) and after i did that it works like a champ . now i got to go shoot it , i will let you know how it went . good luck !

zoom6zoom
June 21, 2010, 11:18 PM
Only 1 major problem

the M57 is not a C&R
so many collectors don't buy them
That's changed since this post. It's now C&R.

marcodelat
June 23, 2010, 08:51 PM
On post # 21 above I wrote:

... very much "1911-nish" as is the thumb safety which, like a 1911 is a hammer block safety.

Correction - the Yugo Tok's safety blocks only the sear... not the hammer

Shadow 7D
June 23, 2010, 09:05 PM
The safety is miles ahead of the rommy and polish button, which kinda blocks the trigger, with the tokarev design, you shouldn't have issues the hammer dropping, and I would consider it a range safety anyways,

If you really want it safe, carry it half cocked like it is designed to be carried

Lakeshore
June 24, 2010, 02:35 PM
stoney1666 I had the exact same issue, safety was blocking the sear even in the safety-off position.

I corrected that by removing a minimal amount of metal along the bottom edge of the safety - where it contacts the sear -with a small file. The sear blockage problem is gone and the safety is still fully functional.

Snowdog
June 24, 2010, 05:08 PM
The safety on the M57 I have now functioned absolutely flawlessly out of the box (well, out of the holster, I should say).
I have a 2nd M57 on the way, I can only hope my luck holds.

silverarrowv11
June 24, 2010, 06:20 PM
:confused: i went to the range for the first time with my Yugo M57 and the gun went randomly in full auto action but not emptying the hole mag , just from 2 to 4 shots at the time and sometimes just single shot . anybody encountered something like this before with this type of gun or any other guns ? :banghead:

OldMac
June 24, 2010, 06:30 PM
I have experienced this with a makarov and almost experienced it with a Romanian SKS. I learned from the Mak to do a complete disassembly to clean cosmoline from every spot. The SKS looked clean enough for a romy but when I inspected the bolt, I found the firing pin frozen in the forward position. A thorough cleaning allowed the pin to rattle back and forth. I think the handgun going FA is more dangerous than the rifle but both can get away from you pretty quick. I may clean my Yugo Tok tonight. Haven't had time to get all the goo out yet. Just logged it and inspected the bore before putting it up.

silverarrowv11
June 24, 2010, 07:03 PM
I have experienced this with a makarov and almost experienced it with a Romanian SKS. I learned from the Mak to do a complete disassembly to clean cosmoline from every spot. The SKS looked clean enough for a romy but when I inspected the bolt, I found the firing pin frozen in the forward position. A thorough cleaning allowed the pin to rattle back and forth. I think the handgun going FA is more dangerous than the rifle but both can get away from you pretty quick. I may clean my Yugo Tok tonight. Haven't had time to get all the goo out yet. Just logged it and inspected the bore before putting it up.
hi OldMac ! my gun it's super clean everywhere . the only thing i did is that i had to file the bottom of the hammer assembly [ don't know the name of it ] because when i pulled the trigger didn't release the hammer , after filing it worked fine . do you think i should change hammer assembly ? can i fit one from another type of Tokarev ? are they interchangeable ? any advise what should i do ? Thanks !

Snowdog
June 24, 2010, 07:25 PM
i had to file the bottom of the hammer ...after filing it worked fine....

...gun went randomly in full auto action....

Obviously I'm missing something here, but I wouldn't call going full-auto typical of a M57 that's "working fine".
I hope for your sake the firing assemblies do interchange with other Toks. It wasn't the sear notch you filed, was it?

silverarrowv11
June 24, 2010, 10:19 PM
hi Snowdog ! yes i filed the sear bottom ,now i just found another one to buy from www.gunbroker.com to replace it . hopefully this will take care of the full auto mode

OldMac
June 24, 2010, 10:37 PM
If that doesn't work, I would take it to my gunsmith.

Snowdog
June 24, 2010, 11:57 PM
Yes, I hope that works for you too SilverArrow. Let us know how it turns out.

PupSter
July 16, 2010, 07:53 PM
Got one for my wife from SOH, paid the extra $1o for hand picked, Sweet piece, No wear at all, not even from a holster, clip is like new, not any wear on the feed ramp.. LOVE it. It's our 3rd Tok and 2nd Yugo. LOVE THEM! The holster is well used, but hey, for under $200 including the hand picked, how can you go wrong...

Snowdog
July 16, 2010, 08:04 PM
PupSter, I too paid the $10 handpick fee the second time around and ended up with a very nice specimen as well. Not to call the first "non-pick" M57 I bought from them a dog (as it's quite nice, actually), but the bore was a bit on the frosted side. The 2nd M57 I ordered with the hand-pick fee turned out to be like-new, including the mirror-shiny bore.

The M57 is tons of fun! Very "blasty" yet reliable and accurate. I also find the ergonomics on my M57s well within the realm of acceptable, unlike the CZ-52 that I recently sold (to make room for a 2nd M57).

PupSter
July 24, 2010, 11:00 AM
The Tok is sure an attention getter with it's muzzle blast... LOVE it..

Dentite
September 21, 2010, 06:25 PM
I just picked up a Yugo Tokarev this past weekend. This thing was loaded with cosmoline...stripped it down and soaked in solvent to melt it all away. Oiled and reassembled and it really is in nice condition.

Came with the two mags, holster and cleaning rod.

This is my first Tokarev but I really like the import safety on this one compared to others I've seen. If it has to be there, this is the way to do it IMO.

Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet...sometime this week.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=128007&d=1285104284

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=128008&d=1285104284

Snowdog
September 21, 2010, 08:26 PM
I see you have some Yugoslavian surplus there (orange primer sealant). This stuff has issues with some CZ-52s, but I have yet to hear anything but great things about it from those shooting them out of the Yugo M57. Both my M57s work flawlessly with the stuff and it's proven just as accurate as the commercial fodder (Wolf Gold and S&B).

If I'm not mistaken, both Yugo surplus and Wolf Gold are made by the same folks (prvi partizan, a reputable manufacturer).

Dentite
September 22, 2010, 01:05 AM
Snowdog...thanks for the info. I shot the gun for the first time tonight and the ammo was great. A bit of a pain to clean the flecks of the primer out of the gun.

What I did have a problem with was the trigger pull was really stiff and a couple times I had to pull hard enough that I felt like I about maxed out the pull without the gun firing. I'll have to do some research and see if it can be remedied.

Shadow 7D
September 22, 2010, 01:20 AM
Check to make sure the safety is fully disengaging, sometimes the put it a little to close so if you don't really push it off, it can still hang up the trigger, if it is, file the safety, not the sear.

Snowdog
September 22, 2010, 01:23 AM
Yeah, the heavy trigger isn't normal. Both of mine have rather nice triggers, both being fairly light (far lighter than my CZ-52 was).

I've read of some (very few) issues with the manual safety causing binding problems that are remedied by a little filing and/or buffing. I hope that's all it is as the M57 is an incredibly fun and accurate pistol, but not if you have to struggle just to pull the trigger.

I assure you, the M57 is worth fixing (especially one as nice looking as yours).

Good luck!

bigfatdave
September 22, 2010, 03:23 AM
Dentite, that gun is in amazing condition! The miracle of cosmoline, giving you a [?]-year-old brand-new gun.
Any idea what year of production it is?

I hope you can get your trigger pull issues resolved, please post back on the solution, I've been wanting a Tok for a while now.

stoney1666
September 22, 2010, 11:32 AM
The trigger spring can be bent slighty to make the pull a little better and make sure the gunk is all out of the sear group.

Dentite
September 22, 2010, 11:45 AM
Thanks for the info guys...I'll try to describe what was going on.

First of all I broke down the gun to the level seen in the photo. I did not break down the sear/hammer group but I did soak all components in gasoline for a couple hours which totally melted away all cosmoline as far as I could tell. Oiled everything up and reassembled.

When I pulled the trigger I had to pull hard and when I thought it wasn't going to go...boom it fired. Then a couple times I pulled the trigger hard enough that it bottomed out and nothing happened. Maybe a slight "click" noise. Pulled again, nothing. I flipped the safety to "on" and then back "off" and then it would fire but still had to pull hard.

I'm talking as hard as my Polish P-64 in double action.

I fired about 4 mags worth of ammo. Didn't really seem to get better or worse.

I took the slide off after shooting, removed the sear/hammer group. When I pull the trigger while looking down into the grip at the trigger stirrup everything seems fine and no problems.

So I'm guessing something to do with the safety or the sear/hammer group?

Any other thoughts?

Also one of my mags holds 9 rounds no problem, the other I can only get 8 rounds into. One spring does seem to be longer than the other...I'm just not sure which spring is in which mag at this point haha. I'm going to break them down again and see which spring is which mag and see why I might only be able to get 8 in it.

Thanks for any help!

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=128042&stc=1&d=1285166863

Shadow 7D
September 22, 2010, 03:31 PM
so work the hammer group, with it removed, push on the sear and see how hard it is to trigger, check the inside of the safety where it blocks the trigger bar to make sure that it isn't showing wear, you need to find where the problem is, as there are 7?? pieces involved, check the trigger and bar (and their channel in the frame) for anything that could bind, put the trigger back in the gun etc. check out the sear to see how hard it is to drop the hammer, make sure the safety isn't binding.

If it's a sear/hammer group and you don't feel like GS'ing it, you can buy another for 25-35 from flee bay and GB.

harmon rabb
September 22, 2010, 06:31 PM
I'm about to order one. What's the verdict here? Safe to carry with one in the tube and the safety on or not?

Shadow 7D
September 22, 2010, 09:02 PM
Harmon, no tokarev is 'safe to carry' as see the original safe was half cock, which locks the slide, and this a sear safety, not a hammer safety, so nothing would stop the hammer from falling if its bumped off the sear, the yugo is an improvement both visually and functionally from the TTC and polish button safety, however I would consider it more a range safety. I believe the original manual of arms was to rack the weapon just before combat or on the draw.

harmon rabb
September 22, 2010, 09:51 PM
Man, that's disappointing. I wish there was a Tokarev I could carry (I refuse to carry without one in the pipe).

azyogi
September 22, 2010, 11:06 PM
My Tokarev has a slide mounted Hammer Block Safety that also locks the firing pin. 9mm, 9 round mag. Made by Zastava [Yugo] imported by American Arms. Daily carried with 10 rounds since late 80's. Only work done since set up was to compress the slide after 20K rounds to fix loose rail fit, and a loose rear sight. Yes MOST toks have sub standard safeties, but not all.

Shadow 7D
September 22, 2010, 11:35 PM
Oh, yeah, and there is the M88 by Zastava, imported by EAA, about 250
or if you can find it the Tokegypt, great gun with all the trimmings, also in 9mm, but I believe that you can convert it back without too much difficulty, and the Norinco 213, which is also convertible, unless it's the small frame, they made a few.

Dentite
September 23, 2010, 12:55 AM
Shadow 7D: Thanks for the tips. I'm going to try to diagnosis it this week and I'll report back. I'd like to avoid sending it back for an exchange if possible but I guess if I can't get it going right that's an option.

revolvergeek
September 23, 2010, 08:01 PM
I am having the same trigger pull problem with mine. It felt fine at first, and now I literally can't pull it hard enough to fire the gun. Going to take it down this weekend and give it a look. I am guessing that the sear is misground, or too soft, or both maybe?

Dentite
September 24, 2010, 12:52 AM
Today I took mine apart to see if I could figure anything out. I removed the left grip and removed the import safety. I used a little strip of leather over the rear of the firing pin to allow the hammer to drop onto...hopefully that's a bit less traumatic than dry-firing. With the safety out, it didn't seem to make much of a measureable difference in trigger pull but on the plus side the pull seemed slightly better tonight and I had no failures to get the hammer to drop like I did shooting it the first time.

It's probably something in the hammer group. With the hammer group removed, the trigger is nice and smooth against the trigger return spring.

I attempted to measure the pull when I had everything back together using an old fishing scale (that actually did calibrate well when testing with a 5lb weight I had laying around.

The pull seemed to be a consistent 10lbs. Obviously pretty heavy for a single action.

Any thoughts?

Any one else with a Yugo Tokarev measure their trigger pull?

Shadow 7D
September 24, 2010, 12:54 AM
Ok, time to take the hammer group a part, did you manually push the sear with you finger and see how it felt.

Dentite
September 24, 2010, 02:11 AM
So do you mean go ahead and cock the hammer back with the hammer group out of the gun and then try and hold it steady and push the bottom of the sear rearward to try and get the hammer to drop?

If I do take the hammer group apart, what am I looking for besides something obviously messed up or binding?

I really do appreciate the help...thanks for taking the time to post.

azyogi
September 24, 2010, 02:12 AM
on mine the hammer group alone is 2.5 lbs and installed it is 4 lbs

stoney1666
September 25, 2010, 11:47 AM
My fish scales at 8#

Shadow 7D
September 25, 2010, 05:44 PM
http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/tokarev213.htm
http://www.marstar.ca/images/Tokarev2.gif

And just because I like Box-O-Truth
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu59_3.htm

It really shouldn't bind, and if its in the hammer group you should be able to feel it out working the hammer and sear before you take the group all the way apart.

Dentite
September 27, 2010, 02:32 PM
Thanks for the links Shadow 7D.

A range report: This weekend I took it out and a buddy and I went through about 5 mags worth of rounds without any problems. The trigger pull still seems a bit stiff to me (measured 10lbs on my fish scale) but every pull of the trigger resulted in a round being fired. I didn't take apart the hammer group yet...but I'm going to do that the next time I get around to it.

I do have a question on cleaning after shooting corrosive ammo out of these guns. Is all the corrosive salts from the primer contained in the barrel after shooting? It would seem that nothing would really come out of the back of primer onto the bolt face, etc.

It's really easy to remove the barrel and clean with hot soapy water to dissolve away the salts...a bit tricker to try to clean the bolt face, firing pin, etc.

Is a wipe down of the bolt face and inside of the slide with a water soaked cloth sufficient or does it really need to be rinsed away?

So far afer two shooting outings the gun shows no sign of rust or corrosion...I just want to be safe. That red/orange primer sealer does get everywhere and is a bit of a pain to clean out of the nooks and crannys.

Thanks for all those replying.

stoney1666
September 28, 2010, 11:16 AM
I run the barrel and slide under the hot water tap in the deep sink for at least 30 seconds each using a pliers to keep for getting burned. Shake and the heat will dry them pretty quick.

Snowdog
September 28, 2010, 02:02 PM
What Stoney posted is about the same thing I do. I have a brush (nylon) that I run through the bore halfway through the process, but just about identical other than that.
I clean as usual with BreakFree or Hoppes when it comes to the breech face, interior of the slide, etc. The bore is going to be by far the most affected by unremoved corrosive salts as this Tokarev variant hasn't a chrome-lined bore.

I haven't had any problems yet and don't think that I will.

DaBull
September 28, 2010, 02:28 PM
@ Dentite

My Yugo Tok also has your trigger symptoms. Sometimes it works fine; sometimes it won't budge no matter how hard I pull. Usually, it goes bad when it is hot...after firing a mag or two. Also, I can tell when it goes bad...the reset feels off and then when I try to pull, the trigger feels like the mag safety is engaged (i.e., like how the trigger feels when the mag is out). At first, this made me think the mag was moving around in the grip, but then I looked at the safety.

I could see the trigger group had removed some of the bluing on a small area on the right side of the safety; there should be no rub there as that is the part of the safety that is out of the way and allows the trigger group to move freely. This told me that part of the safety was touching the trigger group when the safety was disengaged. I then checked the position of the safety and it appeared the installation holes were not drilled perpendicularly through the frame. More specifically, the right side hole was drilled slightly forward of the left side hole. So, this poor installation was causing the safety to touch the trigger group even when the safety was disengaged. I confirmed this all by firing the gun with safety installed until the trigger failed, then quickly removing the safety from the pistol (the trigger worked fine for multiple mags), and then reinstalling the safety until the trigger soon failed again.

Since then, I have been slowly filing the rubbed area on the safety every time the trigger fails at the range. One day, I think I will have removed enough material that the trigger works fine with the safety installed. If not, I'll just remove the safety permanently.

Dentite
September 28, 2010, 05:32 PM
Stoney, Snowdog:

Thanks for all the info.

DaBull: Thanks for the info. I did remove the safety and reassembled the gun and did some testing with a strip of thick leather blocking the rear of the firing pin to prevent wear and tear from dry firing, and I couldn't feel much difference in the trigger pull with or without the safety in. I don't recall seeing wear marks on the "bar" portion of the safety inside the frame but I will look closer and maybe try to remove it once it gets "hot" to see if that makes a difference.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

PupSter
October 16, 2010, 08:16 PM
If I'm not mistaken, both Yugo surplus and Wolf Gold are made by the same folks (prvi partizan, a reputable manufacturer).

Wolf is Russian if I recall correctly....

Yugo surplus is made by prvi partizan, that I know for sure, their name is on the 3 crate of Yugo surplus ammo.

PupSter
October 16, 2010, 08:19 PM
Man, that's disappointing. I wish there was a Tokarev I could carry (I refuse to carry without one in the pipe).

I carry my Yugo Tokarev "cocked and locked" just like a Colt .45 officers ACP.Never had an issue or anything even close. I'd call it just as safe as the Colt. Now, I'd not do this with any other Tokarev... just the Yugo.

Trigger pull wise, 7ish pounds. Many military pistols have heavy pulls, built that way, kinda as a built in safety, you have to PULL it... :-)

mookiie
October 16, 2010, 08:52 PM
I have yugo CZ52 and one problem I have with it is every once in a while it will chamber a round not quite all the way and it is a pain in the ass to get the slide to set so the gun will fire. It also seems dangerous when this happens. Has anyone else had a similar problem with theirs??

Snowdog
October 16, 2010, 11:42 PM
PupSter, Wolf is indeed Russian but they farm out much of their manufacturing.

PPU is stamped on the casehead of the Wolf Gold 7.62x25 FMJ that I have currently. I believe it's made in Serbia by the same folks who made our Yugoslavian surplus some 30 years ago.

It's entirely possible the "Gold" line has been moved in-house to Wolf's Tula facility since my ammunition was manufactured, however.

PupSter
October 17, 2010, 10:49 AM
Nope, not with my Yugo Tokarev or my CZ52. Did have it with an SKS tho, brushed the chamber really well, it had built up carbon from God knows how long. worked well after that.

That said, I'd give it a good cleaning and if it still did it, check or have checked the head space.

PupSter
October 17, 2010, 10:52 AM
PupSter, Wolf is indeed Russian but they farm out much of their manufacturing.

PPU is stamped on the casehead of the Wolf Gold 7.62x25 FMJ that I have currently. I believe it's made in Serbia by the same folks who made our Yugoslavian surplus some 30 years ago.

It's entirely possible the "Gold" line has been moved in-house to Wolf's Tula facility since my ammunition was manufactured, however.
Ahh ok, I was really sure that Wolf was Tula, I didn't know that they sub-contracted stuff out. I will have to look at the head stamps and see. My SKS's are ok with Wolf but love the Yugo sup stuff, more accurate by a long shot.

Shadow 7D
October 17, 2010, 04:52 PM
Yeah, well don't be surprised if you check your american 'metric' rounds and see "PPU" on the head stamp...

Some people have been reporting that shavings from the aftermarket safety have ended up in the hammer packs, so taking it apart, or boiling (removing the cosmoline) and blowing it out might help if it's shavings.

This is about the M57 TOKAREV, MOOKIE, might want to start a new thread, completely different gun, or use the search function.

PupSter
October 17, 2010, 05:32 PM
I have yugo CZ52 and one problem I have with it is every once in a while it will chamber a round not quite all the way and it is a pain in the ass to get the slide to set so the gun will fire. It also seems dangerous when this happens. Has anyone else had a similar problem with theirs??
Mookie?? a Yugo Tokarev? or a CZ52 which is Czechoslovakian.. same round, very similar, and can be made to interchange magazine... BUT otherwise totally differant pistols.

Old Scratch
October 17, 2010, 09:48 PM
"I am fairly certain most com-bloc guns are/were made from recycled tractor frames.
Not necessarily a bad thing, just rest assured they aren't made from the best or the finest steels."

Fairly certain on the basis of precisely what? Got any data, or are you just relying on cold-war era prejudice? I have had TWO Colt 1911 A1 safeties snap in two due to improper heat treatment. Saw the same thing happen at the range to a Smith Model 19...three chambers blown apart, together with the improperly heat-treated topstrap. Luckily no one was hurt by the 38 Special-turned-fragmentation-grenade.

Let's see...aren't shooters concerned about low serial number Springfield 1903's with their notoriously brittle receivers? What were our countrymen using, recycled Model T's? Let's stick to facts, here, gentlemen. I've never heard of a Tok or an AK or a Mosin Nagant going kaboom. And certainly none of mine have. I can't say the same of some American made guns that I have seen and/or owned.

harmon rabb
October 18, 2010, 07:24 AM
I've never heard of a Tok or an AK or a Mosin Nagant going kaboom. And certainly none of mine have.

This. If anything, the comm block stuff is stronger and more reliable than their american counterparts.

PupSter
October 18, 2010, 11:16 AM
"I am fairly certain most com-bloc guns are/were made from recycled tractor frames.
Not necessarily a bad thing, just rest assured they aren't made from the best or the finest steels."

Fairly certain on the basis of precisely what? Got any data, or are you just relying on cold-war era prejudice? I have had TWO Colt 1911 A1 safeties snap in two due to improper heat treatment. Saw the same thing happen at the range to a Smith Model 19...three chambers blown apart, together with the improperly heat-treated topstrap. Luckily no one was hurt by the 38 Special-turned-fragmentation-grenade.

Let's see...aren't shooters concerned about low serial number Springfield 1903's with their notoriously brittle receivers? What were our countrymen using, recycled Model T's? Let's stick to facts, here, gentlemen. I've never heard of a Tok or an AK or a Mosin Nagant going kaboom. And certainly none of mine have. I can't say the same of some American made guns that I have seen and/or owned.
I'm a comm bloc gun fan, have AK's, SKS's, Tokarev's, PPS-43 and a PPSh-41. Love them all. I have never found them to be unsafe in any way. My saying softer metals I didn't mean the barrels, they seem to last as well as most well made US or Euro stuff. The metal I was referring to is in the other parts. Sears and springs seem to not last as long and wear faster in some Russian and many Chinese guns. On a Rockwell hardness scale they are softer. Is that from the metal they are made from or not hardened after milling? I'm not sure. I do know that I have had Chinese (Norinco) SKS's that showed significant wear after 5000 rounds. I have had the same issues with Norinco made Tokarev's in 9mm

Shadow 7D
October 18, 2010, 11:22 PM
Read somewhere that alot of 1900 time weapons were made from metal that wasn't that much better than rebar, really makes me wonder about some of the guns.

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