No Extractor Beretta Bobcat Tomcat?


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rrruuunnn
May 25, 2010, 01:37 AM
Why would Beretta choose not to put an extractor for the Bobcat and Tomcat?

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NG VI
May 25, 2010, 02:45 AM
Just the mechanism, it's a very simple straight blowback pistol, no delayed locking, not much need for it.

Steve C
May 25, 2010, 04:03 AM
An extractor is needed to remove a loaded unfired cartridge from a typical semi auto where one needs to retract the slide to get to the cartridge. In some designs the extractor also acts as a pivot point for thee case when its ejected.

Since the Beretta Bobcat and Tomcat models have a tilt up barrel that allows a loaded round to be removed from the pistol without the need of retracting the slide, no extractor is needed and would add nothing to the functioning of these pistols.

chicharrones
May 25, 2010, 09:29 AM
Plus, where would they put the extractor on a tip up barrel gun? On the bottom of the slide? That would create problems I bet.

BTW, I was shocked when I first got my Bobcat, too. :D

rmfnla
May 25, 2010, 11:29 AM
I have a JetFire and think the tilting barrel is one of the coolest design features. Real easy to check for loaded chamber, easy to unload, and no extractor cut-out eliminates a potential weak spot in the barrel.

Shawn Dodson
May 25, 2010, 11:30 AM
Without an extractor "tap, roll & rack" will not clear a failure to fire stoppage.

lions
May 25, 2010, 12:22 PM
Maybe I'm just being a little slow, but how is the empty case extracted if there is no extractor? I'm not at all familiar with tip up barrel designs.

w_houle
May 25, 2010, 12:28 PM
Without an extractor "tap, roll & rack" will not clear a failure to fire stoppage.
Just be aware of the manual of arms for the firearm being carried. Besides, from what I've heard their slide can be difficult to rack.

MICHAEL T
May 25, 2010, 12:36 PM
I have 3 of the Beretta's tip up in 25 auto Have never had a problem with ejection I had another one in the 80's and it to was as reliable as can be. Now the 22 I can't speak for. 22 seems to have 2 many problems with feeding and dud rounds. Which is why Browning invented the 25 auto to start with.

chicharrones
May 25, 2010, 01:32 PM
The .22LR Bobcat can be iffy. Mine absolutely needs round nose CCI Minimags to function consistently. Even then, 50 rounds are about the max I can fire consecutively before I need to clean the chamber.

For a last ditch BUG, a clean and lubed .22LR Bobcat should run through a couple magazines of ammo when you need it to. That is kinda what I expect out of some pocket guns anyway. If you need more than 2 magazines in a tough situation with a pocket gun, well . . . I don't want to be in that situation.

That said, I don't carry my .22LR Bobcat, but it is fun to shoot and cute to look at. :D

Steve C
May 25, 2010, 04:04 PM
how is the empty case extracted if there is no extractor?

During the normal firing cycle, expelling the bullet from the cartridge and down the barrel drives the case in the opposite direction with equal force as pressure pushes both outward. The reason the case being lighter doesn't just fly out of the barrel, leaving the heavier bullet in place is because of the recoil spring and slide weight keeping it in the chamber long enough for the bullet to leave the barrel.

It is the case pushing against the breach face that pushes back the slide and of course the case follows it. The ejector is what kicks the case out of the way for a new round to be fed from the magazine.

lions
May 25, 2010, 04:08 PM
^^ Makes perfect sense, thanks Steve C.

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