Glock GEN4 9mm models going to 3rd gen recoil assembly


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Full Metal Jacket
May 26, 2010, 03:32 AM
Originally Posted by Larry Vickers
Update;

Latest word I have gotten is the 9mm Gen 4 Glocks will return to the gen 3 recoil spring setup and any gen 4's in 9mm that require overhaul/service will get the replacement gen 4 9mm recoil spring when
they are sent in

no recall will be done - so you will only get the replacement recoil spring
is you need it/request it

Does that jive with what others have heard?

LAV


http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=52911&page=10



glock prides themselves at claiming they've never issued a recall. they only do "upgrades". i think it's pretty sad that they are not recalling these and changing them out for all customers.

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Hangingrock
May 26, 2010, 09:44 AM
Latest word I have gotten

The word I’m so tired of the word to the point it’s nettlesome. Simply identify the source by name, position, and organization instead of the generic “WORD”.

danez71
May 26, 2010, 10:01 AM
So they're upgrading by going backwards.

Now thats Glock Perfection.

Kingofthehill
May 26, 2010, 10:11 AM
So they're upgrading by going backwards.

Now thats Glock Perfection.

About time Glock Kool-Aid drinkers find out they bleed as well.

The dual recoil spring was the only reason i wanted to get a Gen 4 Glock 19. Forget that then, i'll stick with the trouble free gen 3

sturmgewehr
May 26, 2010, 10:19 AM
If true, I feel vindicated. I've gone round and round with fellow Glock owners about the new recoil system in the gen 4 guns. I've held from the beginning it was a mistake to do that with the 9mms and Glock only did it to keep similar systems of operation between all models, not because it improved the performace. To the contrary, it worsened reliability.

Full Metal Jacket
May 26, 2010, 07:04 PM
apparently gock is not issuing a recall for current gen4 owners as the slide have to be altered to accept the gen3 assembly. they don't want to spend what would amount to pocket change to them.

that's a pretty cheap move from the maker of the worlds most popular autopistols if you ask me...

(not to mention the reliability issues that caused this change in the first place....:eek: )

Full Metal Jacket
May 26, 2010, 07:12 PM
The dual recoil spring was the only reason i wanted to get a Gen 4 Glock 19. Forget that then, i'll stick with the trouble free gen 3


yep. at this point, the new gen4's will only be different from the gen3's as far as the grip is concerned, and the heavier SF trigger pull.

The Lone Haranguer
May 26, 2010, 08:00 PM
The word I’m so tired of the word to the point it’s nettlesome. Simply identify the source by name, position, and organization instead of the generic “WORD”. Bird is the word (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184)
:p


The new recoil spring assembly does seem to have been a classic case of "if it ain't broke, keep fixing it until it is." :rolleyes: I am still on the original one in my 12-year-old G19.

REAPER4206969
May 26, 2010, 10:47 PM
Read my posts. I called it when I first heard of that blasphemous recoil spring assembly.

REAPER4206969
May 26, 2010, 10:49 PM
About time Glock Kool-Aid drinkers find out they bleed as well.
No serious Glock guy approved of the GEN4 changes. There is nothing wrong with the real Glock recoil spring. Just change it every 3000/5000rds.

REAPER4206969
May 26, 2010, 10:52 PM
not to mention the reliability issues that caused this change in the first place....
Due to lazy, incompetent cops/armorers that don't maintain their weapons. Change your recoil spring assembly every 3000rds. and you're fine.

REAPER4206969
May 26, 2010, 10:55 PM
Simply identify the source by name, position, and organization
He did.

REAPER4206969
May 26, 2010, 10:57 PM
they don't want to spend what would amount to pocket change to them.
They will have to replace almost the entire pistol. Plus buy new molds to make the modified GEN4 frame. Lotta coin.

Hangingrock
May 26, 2010, 11:18 PM
He did.

You (REAPER4206969) missed the point being made entirely!:what: I am not addressing Vickers. The “Word” as in information came from whom?? Where did Vickers get his information?

REAPER4206969
May 26, 2010, 11:26 PM
The “Word” as in information came from whom?? Where did Vickers get his information?
Probably a Glock Rep. Glock is very open about things, you can call Glock USA and ask. Report back if you do.

GLOCK, Inc.
6000 Highlands Parkway
Smyrna, GA 30082
U.S.A.
Tel.: +1 770 - 432 1202
Fax: +1 770 - 433 8719

Full Metal Jacket
May 27, 2010, 01:22 AM
They will have to replace almost the entire pistol. Plus buy new molds to make the modified GEN4 frame. Lotta coin.


glock's course of action will be like any other company--the cheapest viable option, which will prob be in the form of a modified gen3 recoil assembly. either that, or simply a lighter rate gen4 system...


lot cheaper than moding frames/slides


are you still waiting for a gen4 GAP, reaper? :evil:

Full Metal Jacket
May 27, 2010, 02:32 AM
Simply identify the source by name, position, and organization



i don't think you'll find very many industry folks like larry vickers dropping contact names on anonymous internet forums....

Hangingrock
May 27, 2010, 08:36 AM
Probably a Glock Rep. Glock is very open about things, you can call Glock USA and ask. Report back if you do.

i don't think you'll find very many industry folks like larry vickers dropping contact names on anonymous internet forums....

I don’t believe he Vickers got the “Word” from a burning bush. Simply stated if it had read “The word from Glock” there would be no issue with the “Word”. Anonymous sources are what they are, no matter the author of the statement standing in the industry.

danez71
May 27, 2010, 09:50 AM
No serious Glock guy approved of the GEN4 changes. There is nothing wrong with the real Glock recoil spring. Just change it every 3000/5000rds.

GLOCK approved the changes. Are they not serious about their product?

Carbonator
May 27, 2010, 01:39 PM
What does Mr. Word say about keeping the new dual recoil spring for the G23 .40?

Full Metal Jacket
May 27, 2010, 09:56 PM
I don’t believe he Vickers got the “Word” from a burning bush

my OP concerning this issue is pretty much self explanatory.



GLOCK approved the changes. Are they not serious about their product?


that was never in question. it is obvious, however, that gaston is no longer at the helm of this company.

REAPER4206969
May 27, 2010, 11:17 PM
GLOCK approved the changes. Are they not serious about their product?
Gaston is no longer as involved with the company as he used to be.

danez71
May 27, 2010, 11:19 PM
that was never in question. it is obvious, however, that gaston is no longer at the helm of this company.

Gaston is no longer as involved with the company as he used to be.


And apparently..... thats a shame.

angel1216
May 27, 2010, 11:28 PM
i'll stick with 26

REAPER4206969
May 27, 2010, 11:32 PM
And apparently..... thats a shame.
Yep. Every major change from the standard design has been a failure (Ambi mag catch/M1913 rail/crescent serrations/GEN4 recoil spring assembly/cross bolt safety. Time will tell the fate of the reversible mag catch and add-on backstraps.

Full Metal Jacket
May 27, 2010, 11:54 PM
I like my crescent serrations :eek:

REAPER4206969
May 28, 2010, 12:05 AM
I knew that would get you!

Full Metal Jacket
May 28, 2010, 12:43 AM
:eek:

beltjones
May 28, 2010, 02:20 AM
I like my crescent serrations :eek:
I don't get the derision of the crescent slide cuts. They're plenty grippy, and they won't saw into your hand if you accidentally grip too high on the backstrap, which is easy to do.

I think it's one of those instances where in the minds of consumers, function needs to follow form. People just don't like them because they're ugly.

Full Metal Jacket
May 28, 2010, 03:11 AM
^agreed.

they are somewhat unsightly, but i only slingshot my slides, and they are grippier than the stock glock serrations because they're deeper cut. not sure why glock just didn't deeper cut the straight serrations.....

Full Metal Jacket
May 28, 2010, 03:16 AM
I knew that would get you!


are the crescent serrations out of production?

is my rtf2 a collector's item yet? :eek:

REAPER4206969
May 28, 2010, 03:43 AM
are the crescent serrations out of production?
Yes.

is my rtf2 a collector's item yet?
It could be in time.

cocojo
May 28, 2010, 09:48 AM
Glock forgot the golden rule "If it isn't broken don't fix it". I'll keep what I have, my Glocks work just fine.

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