Steel Targets


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zstephens13
May 27, 2010, 04:49 PM
You know those cardboard targets shaped like a torso?
I want to make some like that out of steel so I can just keep using them.
My idea was to have a frame and use chains to suspend the steel in the frame so I can see and hear a hit.
How thick of steel will I need?
I will be using pistol calibers, .308 and .223.

What do you guys think?

Thanks

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Hangingrock
May 27, 2010, 05:15 PM
http://www.policeone.com/police-products/training/products/articles/67903/

Steel reactive targets: Safety and use
From The FBI Training Bulletin
There are presently a variety of steel targets on the market allowing a wide range of firearms training techniques. However, many of these targets do not provide adequate protection from bullet splatter (the bullet fragments that are reflected when a target is hit), so accidents can occur. It is important, therefore, that the user know what factors make training on steel targets as safe and effective as possible.
When shooting steel targets, a "splatter zone" appears. This zone is the area in which the great majority of bullet fragments eventually wind up. The total amount of splatter in this zone is primarily dependent on the following four key issues: 1) Angle of deflection, 2) Target hardness, 3) Bullet design and 4) Target placement.
Angle of Deflection
The type and design of a steel target determines the angle of deflection. Testing for angle of deflection is done by shooting a steel plate target surrounded by a plywood box. After shooting numerous rounds, the path of the bullet fragments is assessed by examining the marks left on the plywood. As the bullet shatters on impact, the majority of the fragments spread out at 20-degree angles from the plate surface. This area, which forms thin triangular shapes to the left and right of the target, is referred to as the "splatter zone." It is not a safe place to be as a full 95% of all bullet fragments can end up here. The remaining area, including the shooter, is referred to as the "safety zone," and receives only a small portion of bullet fragments. Although the safety zone is not absolutely safe, with proper protection, normal training can be carried on without undue risk.
Target Hardness
The hardness, or tensile strength, of a target measures the amount of force that can be applied to the steel before deformation or damage occurs. Hardness is most commonly measured by a Brinell number ranging from 150 on the soft side, up to 700 on the hard extreme. While the average target is made of the cheaper steel with a Brinell number of 265, some targets have a Brinell number over 500 and can withstand repeated .308 rounds without deformation or damage. Intuitively, it is apparent that a harder steel target will last longer. More importantly, a harder steel target is actually safer. In repeated testing, hard targets produced very consistent splatter patterns and returned little or no bullet material back to the shooter. Softer targets deformed sooner and often resulted in extremely unpredictable splatter patterns. Specifically, many fragments were larger and traveled in virtually every direction, effectively rendering the safety zone non-existent. It is recommended, therefore, that steel targets be made of the harder steel. Initially they will be more expensive, but, based on longevity and safety, they will be more cost effective in the end.
Bullet Design
A high quality, higher power factored ammunition is essential to reduce splatter. Simply stated, to minimize the size and pattern of splatter, drive the projectile harder. Consequently, a lead bullet with a low velocity is the worst option for steel target training. For safe training, it is recommended that only higher power factored bullets be used. A desirable round to produce consistent splatter is a jacketed hollow-point with a velocity of 1225 fps. Another issue is the "correlation factor." This generally refers to how well a bullet holds together to give controlled expansion and penetration. In the case of steel target training, the best bullet is a frangible style round. The high velocity, frangible design of such bullets creates a predictable shattering effect on impact.
Target Placement

Even with the best targets and bullets, training can be dangerous if targets are placed incorrectly. Metal targets should not be placed parallel to each other with out a barrier between them. Splatter from one target could ricochet off another target (secondary splatter), and return to the shooter. Metal targets that are used in a grouping pattern should be staggered so as not to be in the 20 degree angle of deflection splatter zone of another target. Placing plywood to the sides of each target easily solves both of these problems. Because the wood is soft, it will absorb the splatter and not cause dangerous secondary splatter. The wood will, however, need to be replaced frequently to be an effective barrier. Another cause of secondary splatter can be large rocks or concrete. The best surfaces are made of sand or fine gravel. If concrete is used, it should be covered by wood or pea gravel.
Other Safety Issues
Since splatter can only be minimized and never totally eliminated, proper eye protection must be mandatory on all firing ranges. Eye protection should be OSHA tested and have side protection built in. Long sleeves and hats are optional but recommended. Instructors and observers should stand behind the shooter and obey all safety precautions as well. In short, training on steel targets can be safe if done properly. Buy your targets from a reputable manufacturer, use high velocity, frangible ammunition, place targets correctly, and take proper safety precautions.
Glossary Of Steel Making Terms
Alloying Element
Any metallic element added during the making of steel for the purpose of increasing corrosion resistance, hardness, or strength.
Alloy Steel
An iron-based mixture is considered to be an alloy steel when manganese is greater than 1.65%, silicon over 0.5%, copper above 0.6%, or other minimum quantities of alloying elements such as chromium, nickel, molybdenum, or tungsten are present. An enormous variety of distinct properties can be created for the steel by substituting these elements in the recipe.
Carbon Steel
Steel that has properties made up mostly of the element carbon and which relies on the carbon content for structure. Most of the steel produced in the world is carbon steel.
Gauge
The thickness of sheet steel. Better-quality steel has a consistent gauge to prevent weak spots or deformation.
Hardening
WHAT: Process that increases the hardness of steel, i.e., the degree to which steel will resist cutting, abrasion, penetration, bending, and stretching.
WHY: The increased endurance provided by hardening makes steel suitable for additional applications.
Heat Treatment
WHAT: Altering the properties of steel by subjecting it to a series of temperature changes.
WHY: To increase the hardness, strength, or ductility of steel so that it is suitable for additional applications.
High-Carbon Steel
Steel with more than 0.3% carbon. The more carbon that is dissolved in the iron, the less formable and the tougher the steel becomes. High-carbon steel''s hardness makes it suitable for plow blades, shovels, bedsprings, cutting edges, or other high-wear applications.
Low-Carbon Steel
Steel with less than 0.005% carbon is more ductile (malleable): It is capable of being drawn out or rolled thin for use in automotive body applications. Carbon is removed from the steel bath through vacuum degassing.
Plate
Sheet steel with a width of more than eight inches, with a thickness ranging from one quarter of an inch to more than one foot.

Ed Harris
May 27, 2010, 05:19 PM
You will need 3/8 thick AR500 to withstand .308 and .223. Chain will not stand up and will break with the first bullet hit. You want to make a folding tri-pod target stand in which the edge of a swinging upright is welded edge-on across the back of the target, and the face angled about 70 degrees oblilque towards you to reduce impact on the target face. I got several from Action Target which hold up well and have been using them for several years.

JDGray
May 27, 2010, 05:24 PM
For rifle calibers, your gonna want some AR400-500, in 3/8-1/2" I build torso sized steel targets out of frame cut offs, your would find at a place that builds dump trucks, installs dump boxes. That frame steel is 3/8" and hard, and great for handguns. I work in a municipal garage, so I make rifle proof targets out of underbody snowplow blades, loader bucket edges, something you would find plentiful in Alaska:D
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/JDG357/miniarsenal009.jpg

sonrider657
May 27, 2010, 06:18 PM
After hearing world champion shooter Max Michel (http://www.maxmichel.com/) say how he received a serious blow back wound from using steel targets at 20 yards, I am sticking with paper.

jmorris
May 27, 2010, 06:46 PM
For rifle (up to 300 win mag) and magnum handguns you need 3/8" AR500 and for regular pistol rounds 3/8" mild steel will do, for a long time.

The biggest pain is reseting or dealing with chain hits. I have built a few knock down auto reset targets that use deer feeder batteries.

Here are two of them.

Oh, I get my AR plate from Jerry here...http://handgunsports.com/


http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/target/HPIM0417.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/target/HPIM0407.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/target/th_MOV02072.jpg (http://s121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/target/?action=view&current=MOV02072.flv)

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/3g/platerack2.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/3g/platerack1.jpg

blackops
May 27, 2010, 07:59 PM
Ar 500

Highcaliber
May 27, 2010, 08:09 PM
Sorry if this is a repost, but here's a ricochet from steel / iron target.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53rtoxjfi0

So angle of deflection is a very important factor indeed.

EPDM rubber sheets can also be used to cover the target when used at close range. This can help with splatter, and you can still hear the ring of impact.

halfded
May 27, 2010, 08:51 PM
Jmorris:

Dude, there's a racecar in your garage?!:what: Care to elaborate at the risk of being off topic?

jmorris
May 28, 2010, 10:55 AM
Sorry if this is a repost, but here's a ricochet from steel / iron target.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53rtoxjfi0

So angle of deflection is a very important factor indeed.

Angle is not as important as using steel that will not crater. Once the surface is concaved the next one can be sent back in unpredictable directions.




Jmorris:

Dude, there's a racecar in your garage?! Care to elaborate at the risk of being off topic?

That one is work not play.

halfded
May 28, 2010, 11:39 AM
That one is work not play.

There's a difference?

Can I come to "work" with you sometime? I promise I'll be good! :evil:

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