S&W models discontinued?


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Echo9
May 28, 2010, 06:37 PM
Did S&W discontinue all of their metal framed DA/SA models?? I was on their website and nowhere could I find any of them. It's nothing but M&Ps, Sigmas, those things that look like the child of an M&P and a Sigma, and 1911s. Oh and their little .380.

I did a search on their site for 3913, and all I got was mags and holsters.

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The Lone Haranguer
May 28, 2010, 06:49 PM
They have been scaling back their offerings of such guns for years and I would not be surprised if all of them have been discontinued by now. Fortunately, these fine (especially the 3913 you mentioned, which is my personal favorite of them) but underappreciated guns are plentiful on the used market for reasonable prices.

Lakeshore
May 28, 2010, 08:31 PM
Smith rep came into the gun shop/range as I was leaving yesterday afternoon. I asked him about the 908 and 910 since I didn't see them in the new catalog. He said production on both has ceased.

Ala Dan
May 28, 2010, 08:36 PM
S&W discontinued my favorite, the 9m/m single-stack model 39-2 many
moons ago~! ;) :D

Runningman
May 28, 2010, 08:37 PM
did a search on their site for 3913, and all I got was mags and holsters. They haven't made a 3913 in years. Same with most other 3rd generation numbers you commonly see.

Lvl21nerd
May 28, 2010, 08:47 PM
but they seem like such decent pistols...

gmh1013
May 28, 2010, 08:56 PM
My fav was the 4506 ....all the S and W auto's now are crap compared to the ones made 25 years ago.
As with most revolvers/auto....pistols today are too light to shoot with any +p round
except for 1911's and my 92fs has enough weight.

Echo9
May 28, 2010, 09:28 PM
I actually did know the 3913 was gone, but I'm pretty sure the 908 was in production until recently. That's what I meant to say.

Man, that sucks. How many metal framed, single stack, 9mm, DA/SA hammer fired, compact pistols can you guys name? The 908 occupied a weak spot in the market.

Damn it, Smith and Wesson.

The Lone Haranguer
May 29, 2010, 09:55 AM
Practically every gun maker is introducing new designs only with polymer frames and some sort of DAO trigger, so it is not just S&W, but an industry-wide trend. They are what sells these days.

mesinge2
May 29, 2010, 10:07 AM
I am currently looking for a 1006

fastbolt
May 29, 2010, 02:30 PM
The 3rd gen metal-framed pistols are pretty much reserved for LE/Gov orders. Last I heard they were moving production of them to their Houlton plant (which also makes the M41, other .22 pistols and the SW1911 line, in addition to their handcuff line). This move appears to have involved a significant upgrade to the manufacturing capabilities of that plant.

The CHP adopted the newest M4006TSW model (with their own model variations), and if they follow suit with their previous use of the older M4006 they'll probably be using it for another 20 years. I know other agencies which still use new TSW's and have been told of some long time S&W customer agencies which still order older (pre-TSW) models. I handled some new production 3913TSW's received by an agency within the last year, too.

The last time I spoke with a LE field rep, he said the 3rd gen guns might be discontinued all together in another 12-15 years. Obviously, they would like to shift their LE/Gov customer emphasis over to the M&P pistol series. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some incentives continuing to be offered in this regard, such as offering to replace existing 3rd gen service weapons with M&P's for either little cost or an even exchange.

The 3rd gen armorer classes are still being offered and they're obviously still supporting them with parts (with the exception of some of the older 3rd gen model barrels, some 10mm components, some assorted other older parts, etc).

The market is simply driving the manufacture and sale of plastic framed centerfire service-type pistols which are less costly to manufacture.

The continuing commercial popularity of the 1911-style pistols will continue to drive manufacturing of this model line for some time, I'd think, although its use in LE/Gov circles is still rather small compared to other designs. (LE 1911 armorer classes from the major makers are somewhat harder to find than those for other designs.)

Don't be surprised if even Sig Sauer starts to shift attention from their metal-framed lines to their P250 for LE/Gov sales.

It simply costs more from the manufacturing perspective to produce metal-framed pistols than plastic framed pistols. Having listened to folks from Sig Sauer and S&W discuss what's involved in the way of manufacturing and QC comparing making metal & plastic model lines, it's easy to understand why they're shifting attention to their plastic lines.

Personally, I tend to favor either a nicely made 1911-style SA or a traditional double action pistol (with either a steel or aluminum frame), but the plastic pistols are pretty much riding the crest of the wave of change when it comes to semiauto pistols.

I own half a dozen plastic guns myself, being an assortment of pairs of Glocks, SW99's and M&P's. Having been trained as an armorer for all 3 designs I can see and understand the utility offered by them ... even if I still like my metal-framed SA & TDA guns. ;)

And now we're even seeing the introduction of plastic when it comes to small revolvers ... :uhoh:

:neener:

Full Metal Jacket
May 29, 2010, 03:40 PM
s&w is discontinuing all their steel framed, non-1911 pistols.

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