Best 'El Cheapo' full size 9mm?


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Lvl21nerd
May 28, 2010, 09:58 PM
ok so i have my baby, the CZ-75b, the love of my life

now, i think i want another 9mm hand gun, but at this current time i dont want to lay down another $500+

so i have a few candidates in mind (lemme know which you would go with given the option)

Zastava EZ9 [$275ish]

Bersa Thunder 9 [$375ish]

Taurus 709 Slim (yeah yeah not FS) [$375ish]

S&W mod. 910 [$430ish] <--bit high for my budget...is it worth it?



the one that really catches my eye the most is the Bersa, but i like all listed above

thoughts?

TIA

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Vonderek
May 28, 2010, 10:01 PM
Didn't you just get the CZ75 a week or so ago? Enjoy it! I think after shooting the CZ any of the others you listed will seem second rate. Spend the $$ on ammo and a good holster. Just sayin'...

Nick5182
May 28, 2010, 10:06 PM
Did you check out Ruger's 9mm's? I think bud's has them for 300-350. The Zastava would be a great choice too, or anything else from EAA for that matter. You can usually get their witness pistols new for about 300-400 bucks. Between your selections I'd definitely go with the Zastava, unless you were certain you wanted to drop the extra cash for a Smith. The S&W Sigma would be a good choice too ($350) if you can live with a not-so-great trigger.

Lvl21nerd
May 28, 2010, 10:11 PM
i peruse Buds all the time, but my local dealer can pretty much order whatever i want for usually about $40-$70 less than the price on buds (but then there's markup which makes it even out; i wanna deal with him because he has a small shop, and he is a cool Nam vet)

anyways....yep have had the CZ for about a week, but i can tell she's gettin' lonely :D

wnycollector
May 28, 2010, 10:16 PM
I own a S&W 910. I picked up mine two years ago for $300 w/ 2 mags. $430 seems REAL high! My model 910 is the most rock solid pistol I own. It has fired everything from 125gr RNL reloads (thousands of them!) to +P+ 115gr JHP's.

cougar8040
May 28, 2010, 10:18 PM
I second the nomination for a Ruger.

Nick5182
May 28, 2010, 10:20 PM
Speaking of cougar8040, You could check out a Stoeger Cougar for about 350. They're made on Beretta machinery out of Turkey.

KM
May 28, 2010, 10:21 PM
Smith and Wesson 3rd gen's in like new condition can be had in the 350 range, but are on par in quality with steel guns like Sig's and CZ's. Any of them.

Accurate, 100% reliable and well made.

I've even seen mint 5906's as low as 300, and police trade in 5906's as low as 250.

JR47
May 28, 2010, 10:22 PM
The Ruger P95 is light, accurate, and reliable. The Zastava M88 is a design based largely upon the Soviet TT33 Tokarov. The grip shape is a bit less ergonomic than the other pistols mentioned.

I have zero experience with the Bersa 9x19 guns. So, I cannot give an honest opinion of them.

m2steven
May 28, 2010, 10:23 PM
Go with the Bersa Thunder compact 9mm. A great pistol at a great price. I also like the Stoeger Couger. Both great guns.

Lvl21nerd
May 28, 2010, 10:28 PM
oh dang i forgot about the Stoeger Cougar

meytind
May 28, 2010, 10:29 PM
Ruger p95 is my vote. The Ruger semi-autos are pretty damn underrated.

DWhitehorne
May 28, 2010, 10:29 PM
I picked up a new in box FDE FNP9 off Gunbroker for $399 last week. Seems to be the going rate right now. The FDE is the USG version that has a safety/decocker that you can carry cocked and locked like the 75B. Comes with 3 stainless mags too. Something else for you to look at. David

viking499
May 28, 2010, 10:31 PM
Whittakers had a used CZ 75 for 399 the other day.

GRIZ22
May 28, 2010, 10:35 PM
If you buy a Ruger or S&W you'll be sure you can get parts 20 years from now. There are other nice guns mentioned but this is something you might want to consider.

mslatter
May 28, 2010, 10:57 PM
Take a look at a Sig Pro SP2009 or SP2022 (same gun, though the 2009 has a proprietary rail size.) The grips have a reputation of fitting better for biggish hands, but they're excellent for my medium mitts, so if you like the ergonomics, it's a dang fine weapon. Good feature set (decocker, night sights,) wonderful DA/SA trigger and, hey, it's a Sig.

Haifisch
May 28, 2010, 11:03 PM
As far as quality goes, you already have an "El Cheapo" :uhoh:

Kingofthehill
May 28, 2010, 11:23 PM
Ruger P95 without a doubt!

Lvl21nerd
May 28, 2010, 11:26 PM
Haifisch...:(....why u gotta be hatin' dawg?

have i once said an unkind word about Glocks?

Mitch from LA
May 28, 2010, 11:47 PM
Haifisch...:(....why u gotta be hatin' dawg?

have i once said an unkind word about Glocks?
Word. Everyone be all drinkin' the haterade today.

DeepSouth
May 28, 2010, 11:51 PM
If you don't mind used

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/argentine-fm-90-high-power,-9mm-excellent-condition-hi-power-model/products_id/4231


http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/argentine-fm-90-high-power,-9mm-very-good-condition-hi-power-model/products_id/4230

dayid
May 28, 2010, 11:54 PM
Another +1 for the Ruger P95. Beats everything you have listed on price and is reliable and worth the $.

Onward Allusion
May 29, 2010, 12:01 AM
Ruger P95 if you have large hands.
Sigma SW9VE if you have medium hands and are used to DAO.

There are also plenty of police trade-in Glock 17 & 19 along with all steel S&W 59xx if you don't mind used.

My favorite would be the 59x6. They'll shoot NATO rounds all day without breaking a sweat. They're the predecessor to the 910 before going alloy with plastic sights.



Lvl21nerd (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=122531)
Best 'El Cheapo' full size 9mm?
ok so i have my baby, the CZ-75b, the love of my life
now, i think i want another 9mm hand gun, but at this current time i dont want to lay down another $500+
so i have a few candidates in mind (lemme know which you would go with given the option)
Zastava EZ9 [$275ish]
Bersa Thunder 9 [$375ish]
Taurus 709 Slim (yeah yeah not FS) [$375ish]
S&W mod. 910 [$430ish] <--bit high for my budget...is it worth it?
the one that really catches my eye the most is the Bersa, but i like all listed above
thoughts?
TIA

Oceans
May 29, 2010, 02:28 AM
Do something different and look for a used Star. I always liked Star for a budget pistol.

Caliper_RWVA
May 29, 2010, 11:51 AM
Dang, $3-400 is "El-Cheapo"? Wish I had your budget!

I'll add another vote for the P95. I've got the decock only model and love it. Great to shoot, comfortable to hold, and no silly safeties or whatnot to fool with.

You also have confidence in the guns build strength when Rugers website says this:
The Ruger 9mm pistols are chambered for the 9x19mm NATO Parabellum (9mm Luger) cartridge, compatible with the U.S. and foreign military or commercial 9x19mm loads manufactured in accordance with NATO, U.S., SAAMI, or CIP standards, including high-velocity, subsonic, tracer, hollow point, ammunition loaded in aluminum, steel, or brass cartridge cases, +P and +P+ ammunition.

gmh1013
May 29, 2010, 01:33 PM
Ruger....fugly gun but works everytime you pull the trigger. 379.00 at Academy
I like my Taurus PT917C but it ws 400.00....I like the 20 round mag and 17 it came with.

Demitrios
May 29, 2010, 01:46 PM
Well RIA Rock Island Armory has put out a 9mm 1911 for about $350 to $450.

PRM
May 29, 2010, 01:59 PM
I picked up this Walther P1 a few weeks back for $325. All the upgrades plus holster and extra mag. I have seen several in the past month go for similar prices on Gun Broker.

I have been really impressed with the gun. I am getting 1 inch groups at 45 feet with it and so far it has functioned flawless. The walnut grips are an added upgrade.

If you like the P1s - I would recommend going to the Walther Forums and reading up on them before buying.

CaptainHook
May 29, 2010, 02:05 PM
Another vote for the Cougar, I love mine. Here is a pretty comprehensive review and break down of the design:
http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/new-life-for-an-old-cat?page=1

Stringfellow
May 29, 2010, 02:15 PM
If you want variety, the Cougar seems to be one of the best deals around these days. Or consider a Sig P6--it is a high quality single stack for about $350.

As someone else said, third generation S&W pistols are classics and are getting kind of a cult-like following (deservedly): http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1SW5906&groupid=3

But since you have already drunk the CZ KoolAid, you may want to consider the milsurp CZ82. Although technically a 9mm, it is a different, incompatible 9mm (9mm Makarov--cheap to shoot). For ~$200, you simply cannot find a higher quality, fun-shooting pistol.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=104

It sounds like life is treating you well--enjoy!

modifiedbrowning
May 29, 2010, 06:28 PM
Bersa. 5K through my fullsize, 100% reliable. Great trigger, the best of all my DA/SA pistols.

TonyT
May 30, 2010, 01:30 PM
You should consider one of the all steel 2nd or 3rd generation S&W semi autos in 9mm. You can find a gently used one for much less than $500. They are super reliable and built lke the proverbial tanks. I shoot both a S&W 659 and S&W 5906.

sharpblade
May 30, 2010, 02:07 PM
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/walker_019/Picture400.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k315/walker_019/Picture399.jpg

Onward Allusion
May 30, 2010, 02:42 PM
^^^^^
Dependable as a S&W 59xx but ugly as a Hi-Point. :)

ATBackPackin
May 30, 2010, 11:55 PM
This would be my choice.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1SW5906&groupid=3

Shawn

Snowdog
May 31, 2010, 12:33 AM
Aim Surplus is currently selling LEO trade in S&W 5906 for as low as $329, just a head's up if that interests you any.
Otherwise, my vote is on the Bersa.

zxcvbob
May 31, 2010, 12:52 AM
How about a Hi-Point? (you did say cheap)

Sebastian the Ibis
May 31, 2010, 01:02 AM
If you already have a full size da/sa 9mm pistol you love, do you really want another gun of the sametype? I'd go for a used glock at aimsurplus.com, or something else striker fired. Maybe a Kel-tec it shoots 9mm and is much easier concealed, but it is not "full size."

If you really want another the used S&W's at aim seem like a great deal.

David E
May 31, 2010, 02:39 AM
Well, the SMART thing to do is not buy another gun.

Use that money to buy ammo and take a class so you can shoot your brand new CZ better.

Arthur2001
May 31, 2010, 09:41 AM
I highly recommend Cougar..

easyg
May 31, 2010, 07:49 PM
RUGER P95


http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/allenXdog/HPIM6391.jpg

snmosley
May 31, 2010, 07:59 PM
I recently purchased the 1911 9mm from RIA and it works very well.
No shortage of parts and you can personalize it to your wants and need.
Fun to shoot and very accurate.

bg226
May 31, 2010, 08:08 PM
Ruger P95

/thread.

MikePaiN
May 31, 2010, 08:52 PM
Look what I can get :D
$269.95 for a P95
scroll down
http://www.hoffgun.com/specials.htm

like the salt
May 31, 2010, 10:55 PM
I was gonna say Bersa because I love mine, but wow... that Ruger for $270...

camacho
June 1, 2010, 01:34 AM
Another vote for the P95

millertyme
June 1, 2010, 01:50 AM
The Ruger P95 is one of the heaviest polymers you'll find. They're great pistols, but I sold mine so I could get a CZ75. If I was looking for something on the cheap I'd get a Witness 9mm. Much the same feel as your CZ, but for about $100-$150 less. I've had my CZ about the same time as you and since have acquired a Witness-P .45ACP. It's only about $250 to change calibers, the feel is right up there with my CZ (except polymer, thus lighter), you can find them on gunbroker.com for $350 in both steel and polymer, etc. Another vote here for an older Smith metal-framed 9mm. I almost had my hands on a pretty sweet 39-2. I was seriously hours away from getting it and someone else swooped in and picked it up. $375 would have put it in my holster.

I'd forgotten all about those FM Hi-Power's. I've thought twice about getting one, the second time around my CZ showed up and I lost track of all other possible firearm deals. However, that 5906 for $330 is a sweet deal. If I hadn't just picked up my Buckmark I might have picked one up.

toivo
June 1, 2010, 02:04 AM
It's not a 9MM, but it's pretty close, and it's a solid, accurate, cheap pistol to boot:

And it's a CZ. (http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/handguns/cz-surplus/p/cz-82-czech-9x18-makarov-military-pistol%2C-very-good-condition%2C-one-mag-c-r-/cPath/16_155/products_id/3050) :)

BCRider
June 1, 2010, 02:10 AM
Instead of another gun to keep your 75 company you need to buy the 75 a nice holster and belt and some mag pouches and take it out to a nice IPSC or IDPA match and dance with it. They LOVE it when you dance with them at these outings. Not to mention that YOU will have a huge grin on your face afterwards.

You'll soon forget about cheap floozy companions for your 75 if you follow my advice.

whitebb
June 1, 2010, 10:11 AM
Cheap all steel: Arcus 98DAC. Current Bulgarian Military pistol. SA/DA clone of the Hi power, uses Hi power mags.

http://www.gunslot.com/guns/arcus-model-dac

TexasBill
June 1, 2010, 10:48 AM
Stoeger Cougar, Ruger P95. I'd pass on the Sigma, but that's just me.

easyg
June 1, 2010, 11:16 AM
The Ruger P95 is one of the heaviest polymers you'll find. They're great pistols, but I sold mine so I could get a CZ75. If I was looking for something on the cheap I'd get a Witness 9mm.
Actually, the Ruger P95 is not heavy when compared to similar DA/SA hammer-fired weapons, especially the Witness pistols....

Ruger P95 = 27 oz.

Witness 9mm Polymer = 30 oz.
Witness 9mm Polymer Compact = 27 oz.
Witness steel 9mm = 33 oz.
Witness steel 9mm Compact = 30 oz.

Sig SP2022 = 30.20 oz.
Sig P226 = 34 oz.
Sig P229 = 32 oz.

HK P30 V3 = 26.08 oz.

CZ 75 D PCR = 27.20 oz.
CZ P01 = 28.80 oz.
CZ 75 SP-01 Phantom = 28.8 oz.
CZ 75B = 35.2 oz.
CZ 75 Compact = 32 oz.
CZ 75 SP-01 = 41.6 oz.

Beretta 90two F = 32.5 oz.
Beretta 92FS = 33.3 oz.
Beretta M9A1 = 33.9 oz.

Stoeger Cougar 9mm = 32.6 oz.

Gord
June 1, 2010, 11:26 AM
If S&W is still offering the rebate, you should be able to get an M&P9 for around $400. Haven't heard an unkind word said about the things. May as well pony up a few extra dollars and get a "known quantity" - JMHO...

easyg
June 3, 2010, 11:39 AM
If S&W is still offering the rebate, you should be able to get an M&P9 for around $400. Haven't heard an unkind word said about the things. May as well pony up a few extra dollars and get a "known quantity"
If I recall correctly, didn't the M&P series have some problems with dropping the magazines at inopportune times?

Storm
June 3, 2010, 12:09 PM
It's kinda hard to beat your CZ75. I'd save a few extra pennies and get it a big brother. After a year of owning and shooting a CZ SP-01 Phantom I can unqualifiedly recommend that gun to anyone. I'm not sure how much they are going for used, but I'd still consider it.

I'd also stongly consider just about any 2nd or 3rd Gen Smith, and definitely a Walther P1. Used Beretta 92 can also be had around the OP's price range.

spur0701
June 4, 2010, 03:37 AM
Was just on Budd's yesterday and they have police trade-in S&W99's for $289 I think it was....and while I've never shot one I've carried a P99 for 10 years and they are essentially the same.

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