What powders are you using for your 30-06?


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blackops
May 29, 2010, 02:31 AM
Alright fellas September is coming and I have a new rifle and round for hunting season I have no experience with. I've always been a 270 guy, but the 06 can just do everything the 270 can and more, plus with larger bullets. So I bought a 30-06 SPS (24 brl 1-10 twist) and I'm putting it in a B&C stock. I'm having my smith glass, pillar, and true the action so it should be a shooter.

My question is what powders are you using for the 30-06? I'm going with 168gr bullets. Probably start with Nosler E-Tips or Hornady GMX's. The issue obviously I have to use full copper (yeah let's not talk about it). I want these bullets smoking out of my barrel, so slow burning powders obviously are what I'm looking for. Anyways if you could share your powders and charges it would be greatly appreciated.

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FlyinBryan
May 29, 2010, 03:04 AM
starting with minimum loads, varget is gonna be tough to beat.

min loads with a 168 will go something like this.

47.0g varget......2710fps
55.0g h4350.......2695fps
53.0g h414........2686fps

all those will top out in the mid to high 2800's with max loads, with h4350 topping the chart @2897 fps, and surprisingly, the lowest chamber pressure at max charge of 57720psi.

i personally like varget in except my garands, and h4895 for them.

Sunray
May 29, 2010, 03:19 AM
"...have to use full copper..." Ouch! Hunting only?
"...going with 168gr bullets..." Most, but certainly not all, of that weight are match bullets. The .30-06 loves 'em, but they're not hunting bullets.
Any 165 or 168 grain hunting bullet will kill any game you care to hunt, just like a .270 140 will. 165's come in a Hornady GMX(MSRP: $41.40 per 50 though). No 168 GMX listed.
The 168 Nosler will do nicely with the same powder. Expensive. Not as pricey as Barnes. Mind you, 165's and 168's are very close. Either weight will do nicely.
In any case, IMR4064 is your friend with both match and hunting bullets. Gives extremely good and consistent accuracy out of any .30-06. IMR4895 or Varget will do though.
"...want these bullets smoking out of my barrel..." Velocity isn't as important as accuracy out of your rifle. Max IMR4064 165 grain velocity run 2901fps. 2850fps for a 168. Similar to .270 140 and 150 grain max loads with the same powder.

ccsniper
May 29, 2010, 03:21 AM
prolly should be in the reloading section

R.W.Dale
May 29, 2010, 03:25 AM
I use varget mostly with 165g or lighter bullets

ArchAngelCD
May 29, 2010, 03:46 AM
prolly should be in the reloading section
I see the word "prolly" a lot on forums. Does "prolly" = probably??
If so why do I see the word prolly so much, I don't believe there is such a word.

R.W.Dale
May 29, 2010, 04:34 AM
I see the word "prolly" a lot on forums. Does "prolly" = probably??
If so why do I see the word prolly so much, I don't believe there is such a word.


You're from PA for you such a word prolly doesn't exist so quit huntin for an explanation when there aint one.

blackops
May 29, 2010, 05:38 AM
Thanks for the help! Yeah I know the copper gets expensive, but it's either go by the law or break it. I'll just have to buy the expensive stuff. It's more expensive, it's worse for your barrel, and doesn't fly as straight. Thanks again for everything California.

Also, I undersand accuracy means more than velocity. Still I want these loads running hot as possible. This rifle is going to be my go getter for big game and I plan on having it for a while. I want a deadly load in it. It's a good excuse to shoot this barrel out and get a hart, krieger etc. anyways.

jmr40
May 29, 2010, 08:28 AM
When using the copper bullets you don't need the heavier bullets. Since copper is lighter than lead a 130-150 grain copper bullet will be about the same length as the heavier lead bullets and will give better penetration. It is easier to shoot them faster since the heavier copper bullets are so long they take up powder space.

I've never used it with the copper bullets, but have had good luck with IMR-4350 with 150-165 grain 30-06 loads.

10 Spot Terminator
May 29, 2010, 09:22 AM
+1 for the IMR 4064 . It has a burn rate very close to Varget but has given me that slight accuracy edge in both mine and my partners 30-06 rifles and are just over 2900 fps with 165 and 168 gr. bullets.

The Bushmaster
May 29, 2010, 11:05 AM
H4831SC for 165 grain to 180 grain bullets in .30-06...

Randy1911
May 29, 2010, 11:20 AM
I have had good luck with IMR 4350. I get MOA 5 shot groups at 100 yards with a 165 gr. Hornady BTSP.

RidgwayCO
May 29, 2010, 11:31 AM
Hodgdon H4350 for my Ruger 77 Mark II (165gr bullets) and Accurate 2520 for my M1 Garand (147gr FMJ-BT bullets).

Beelzy
May 29, 2010, 11:55 AM
H-335 for the Beltfed,......IMR-4831 for the hunting rifle loads.

Rokman
May 29, 2010, 02:41 PM
I use Varget, H4895 and RL17 for 150gr. bullets. I use H4350 and IMR 4350 and RL19 for 168gr. bullets.

ArchAngelCD
May 30, 2010, 01:42 AM
I have used IMR & H4350, IMR & H4895, IMR4064, H414, Varget and probably a few others and ALL have worked well in the 30-06.

blackops
May 30, 2010, 02:25 AM
I picked up some RL19 and 168gr Nosler E-Tips. Now for the charge?? Hmmm?

ArchAngelCD
May 30, 2010, 02:39 AM
I picked up some RL19 and 168gr Nosler E-Tips. Now for the charge?? Hmmm?
Here is the link for the Alliant Load Data site (http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/default.aspx?page=/reloaders/index.aspx&) to get you started. The data you need is there...

ALSO, Nosler (http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=15&b=30cal) has load data for all their bullets but I think they use RL-22 with their heavier bullets in the 30-06.

blackops
May 30, 2010, 03:23 AM
Yes, I've checked those sites. Thanks for going out of your way to help though. I'm wondering what specific charges are working well with your paticular rifle. Not that it will be perfect for mine because it most likely won't. COL's would be great also. I find to find what people are using first then adjust mine slightly lower to the norm. It saves money starting out and gets you to the load you prefer quicker. That copper isn't cheap ya know, $43 for 50.

Rokman
May 30, 2010, 09:13 AM
I load Nosler 168 gr. btips with 56.0-56.5 grains of RL19. My best load is 56.0 and I load to 3.30-3.40 COL. I have no data on the E-tips, so please start lower and work up. My Nosler Manual #6 doesn't have any load data for the newer E-tip bullets and doesn't list RL19 for 165-168 grain bullets. RL22 works great with a compressed load in 180 gr. bullets. You can usually purchase the 168 gr. btips for 16-18 bucks and they work great on deer, but it looks as though you are probably hunting something bigger.

I forgot that you have to use all copper bullets. Too bad.:(

Rokman
May 30, 2010, 09:39 AM
I looked at my Sierra manual and they list 55.8 grains max for their 165 grain bullets. As you have probably noticed on Alliant's load data site they list 59.0 grains max for Speer 165 grain sp. Good Luck

USSR
May 30, 2010, 07:42 PM
A 2002 Alliant Powder Reloader's Guide I have, lists 62.0gr of RL19 for 165gr bullets. I would start at 59.0gr and work up from there. Double-base powders typically don't perform well when run at low pressure.

Don

ArchAngelCD
May 30, 2010, 10:31 PM
Yes, I've checked those sites. Thanks for going out of your way to help though. I'm wondering what specific charges are working well with your paticular rifle. Not that it will be perfect for mine because it most likely won't. COL's would be great also. I find to find what people are using first then adjust mine slightly lower to the norm. It saves money starting out and gets you to the load you prefer quicker. That copper isn't cheap ya know, $43 for 50.
With the price of components right now I totally understand you looking for a good starting place to try and cut down on the load search. Sorry I've never used RL-19 or i would be more than happy to share my data. Good luck finding a good load quickly...

Oceans
May 31, 2010, 12:49 AM
For the 165-168 grain bullet weight in the 30-06, I like plain old IMR 4895 I load about 46-47 grains with winchester large rifle primers and mostly Rem brass. Good accurate hunting load. Yes its not a hot rod load, but do you really need a hot rod load for the '06?. 2700 fps is plenty good, and if you use traditional bullets like the Core-lokt, you will get controlled expansion, with penetration. If I were to use 180 grain bullets, I suppose I would utilise IMR 4350. For 220 grain 30-06, I have no idea:D

palabman
May 31, 2010, 02:30 AM
I've been using Reloder 19 with good results out of my 760 pump. The gun likes 168 gn C/T Silvertips. 1/2 MOA on a pump is not too bad.

Rokman
May 31, 2010, 02:50 AM
I am pretty sure that you are not going to want to use 62 grains of RL19 with your 168 grain E-tip bullet. Maybe with RL22 because that is going to be a very hot load.

palabman
May 31, 2010, 03:20 AM
I am pretty sure that you are not going to want to use 62 grains of RL19 with your 168 grain E-tip bullet

Yeah... that is definitely a compressed load.

USSR
May 31, 2010, 10:59 AM
Nothing wrong with a compressed load, as long as the pressure remains within the SAAMI limits of 60k. My 60.8gr load of RL22 behind a 190SMK is a compressed load and it works really well. Here is more info from Alliant regarding RL19 and 165gr bullets:
Bullet Primer Case Chg. Wt. FPS psi
Nosler 165gr Part. Fed. 210 Fed. 62.1gr. 2890 58.5k
Speer 165gr Spitz. Fed. 210 Fed. 62.0gr. 2880 56.1k

Don

Rokman
May 31, 2010, 11:49 AM
With the E-tip bullet being an all copper construction it is going to be longer than any bullet that has been discussed in Alliant's handloading data site. The E-tip would have a profile similar to Barnes bullets and their manual tops out at 60.0 grains. With the long bullet and heavy load of a chunky powder, you are going to have a very, very compressed load. I can find zero load data on the E-tip bullet at this time, so I would lean to the side of caution on this one. The Nosler manual tops out at 61.5 grains with their 150/155 grain bullets.

USSR
May 31, 2010, 02:05 PM
Yes, an all copper bullet is going to be longer, hence more bearing surface and pressure. That's why I told blackops in a PM that he would be better off using load data based on a heavier bullet such as a 180gr bullet.

Don

stinger 327
May 31, 2010, 06:35 PM
H4831SC for 165 grain to 180 grain bullets in .30-06...
Is this the ideal weight range for a 30.06 to get the best possible accuracy?
I have shot 125, 150, 165, 180 and 220 grain Remington Core-Lok bullets and cannot tell the difference in recoil. The gun seems to be sighted in at 100 yards with the 220 grain bullets and or the most accurate.

USSR
May 31, 2010, 07:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bushmaster View Post
H4831SC for 165 grain to 180 grain bullets in .30-06...

Is this the ideal weight range for a 30.06 to get the best possible accuracy?

Too many variables in reloading to simply state a certain weight of bullet will be the most accurate.

Don

The Bushmaster
June 1, 2010, 12:06 AM
True, true...This combination of 165 grain Sierra BTHP do give me 1 5/8" three shot spread at 200 yards. Not all that bad for a Browning A-bolt .30-06 and a rickety shooting table.

stinger 327
June 1, 2010, 01:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bushmaster View Post
H4831SC for 165 grain to 180 grain bullets in .30-06...



Too many variables in reloading to simply state a certain weight of bullet will be the most accurate.

Don
What about in factory Remington Core Lok ammo?

lgbloader
June 1, 2010, 02:09 AM
I have made great ammo for both bolt and gas rifles with various weight bullets with most of the powders listed above...
H4350
BLC(2)
Varget
IMR 4895
IMR 4064

The list goes on...

LGB

USSR
June 1, 2010, 12:26 PM
What about in factory Remington Core Lok ammo?

All you can do is try different ammo to see which one your particular rifle likes. Two rifles coming off the production line on the very same day can shoot better with two different types of ammo.

Don

stinger 327
June 1, 2010, 12:33 PM
All you can do is try different ammo to see which one your particular rifle likes. Two rifles coming off the production line on the very same day can shoot better with two different types of ammo.

Don
This is true so far it likes the 220 grain Core Lok.

dmazur
June 2, 2010, 03:50 PM
I have been using Varget for all my .30-06 loads, including the Garand.

(While it isn't really all that slow, I have an adjustable gas screw anyway.)

I see the word "prolly" a lot on forums. Does "prolly" = probably??
If so why do I see the word prolly so much, I don't believe there is such a word.

I think it's related to texting. There are an awful lot of non-words being tossed around on the forums of late, and I think difficult to use keyboards and small displays, both found on "smart phones", are much of the cause.

In more advanced stages of the affliction, capital letters and punctuation fall by the wayside... :)

stinger 327
June 2, 2010, 04:19 PM
I have been using Varget for all my .30-06 loads, including the Garand.

(While it isn't really all that slow, I have an adjustable gas screw anyway.)



I think it's related to texting. There are an awful lot of non-words being tossed around on the forums of late, and I think difficult to use keyboards and small displays, both found on "smart phones", are much of the cause.

In more advanced stages of the affliction, capital letters and punctuation fall by the wayside... :)
Just get a better scope.:neener::D

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