Age limit on AOW?


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Chedderbob
May 29, 2010, 11:43 AM
Long time reader but first time poster...

I am 19 years old and purchased a Kel-Tec PLR 16 from my brother (100% legal in my state.) I am intrested in putting a v-grip on the forend. I understand this will make the pistol an AOW. My question is; is the BATFE going to have issues registering an AOW pistol to me, even though it is totally legal for me to own it?

I have searched high and low for the answer and can't seem to find it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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zoom6zoom
May 29, 2010, 12:06 PM
Can't find an actual cite in the NFA at the moment, but since a dealer can only transfer long guns to someone under 21, I'm going to opine that they would reject your application. (I understand that FTF private transactions are OK between 18 and 21 in your state (and mine)). I've never heard of anyone under 21 getting NFA forms approved for anything.

RyanM
May 29, 2010, 01:42 PM
Transferring the gun to and from a dealer in order to get a $5 tax + $X transfer fee is not legal, since NFA firearms can only be transferred to people 21 or older.

You can, however, register the gun yourself on a Form 1, at age 18 and up. But that of course costs $200 (AOWs are $200 to manufacture, $5 to transfer, for a non-SOT), so if you really really want a VFG, you should debate AOW vs. SBR registration. An SBR can have a stock, but an AOW can be transferred freely over state lines without filing paperwork every year. An AOW may also be slightly easier to sell if you get tired of it, with the $5 fee, but I wouldn't count on that.

Chedderbob
May 29, 2010, 03:24 PM
Thanks for the speedy replies!

That was the response I was predicting. Although a V-grip would be nice, I can survive with grip tape. I was really just wanting to do it for the novelty of dipping my toes into NFA territory.

Looks like I will wait til I'm 21... (seems like I've been saying that alot lately.)

RyanM
May 29, 2010, 05:35 PM
Just so you know, $100 is the going rate on NFA transfers, so unless you have a particular cheap dealer in mind, you don't save a lot by waiting.

For novelty factor, I recommend a cheap shotgun and a hacksaw. ;) You can build yourself a legal "hillbilly dueling pistol" for about the cost of a new pump action shotgun.

WardenWolf
May 29, 2010, 07:25 PM
Write a letter to the ATF first. I have heard it stated that the PLR-16, though a pistol, is not considered a "handgun", and thus a vertical foregrip would not make it an AOW. If that is the case, you can save yourself a lot of money.

Quiet
May 30, 2010, 02:17 AM
Minimum age of 21 to own a Title 2 (NFA) firearm.


The PLR16 is a handgun. It gets marked as a "handgun" on the ATF 4473 form.
It becomes an AOW if you add a forward vertical/angled handgrip to it.

Same with AR pistols, AK pistols , SIG556 Pistols, etc...

PTK
May 30, 2010, 04:48 PM
Uh.... guys? You can own NFA items at 18. I did. You cannot BUY them at 18. File a form 1, and have your AOW. :)

nalioth
May 30, 2010, 04:59 PM
Yes, there is no age limit for ownership of NFA weapons, other than the regular gun laws.

You can own an NFA weapon at 18, you just can't buy an NFA weapon at 18.

(in other words, an 18 y/o would have to make it themselves, after doing the form+tax dance)




To spell it out in blunt language:

Bobby 18-year-old buys a PLR-16 from his neighbor, legally.
Bobby 18-year-old submits a form 1 and his tax.
Bobby 18-year-old receives his approved form 1, and "builds" his AOW.

All legal (under Federal and Texas law, anyway).

FIVETWOSEVEN
May 30, 2010, 09:56 PM
Form 1, can someone explain what that allows me to do?

nalioth
May 30, 2010, 10:03 PM
Form 1, can someone explain what that allows me to do? An approved form 1 allows you to "manufacture" an NFA weapon.

An approved form 4 allows an existing NFA weapon to be transferred to you. Folks under 21 won't be dealing with this one, for reasons stated earlier.

mp510
May 30, 2010, 10:50 PM
An approved form 4 allows an existing NFA weapon to be transferred to you. Folks under 21 won't be dealing with this one, for reasons stated earlier.
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Transfers from non-licensees to sub-21's are not prohibited by the NFA or GCA.

nalioth
May 30, 2010, 11:05 PM
Transfers from non-licensees to sub-21's are not prohibited by the NFA or GCA.I've never seen a transfer that didn't involve a dealer in the middle *shrugs*

mp510
May 31, 2010, 01:32 PM
I've never seen a transfer that didn't involve a dealer in the middle *shrugs*

As long as the buyer aqnd seller are residents of the same state- it's perfectly legal. Involving an SOT unnecessarily would add a lot of unnecessary expense (2 stamps instead of 1, transfer fee) and time to the equation ( Have to wait for 2 Form 4's to clear (Seller to dealer THEN dealer to buyer).

mp510
May 31, 2010, 01:33 PM
I was reading the OP again. If it is legal in his state, he should register it as an SBR instead of AOW. Same fee to make, and you could attach a stock if you go SBR and so desire.

Prince Yamato
June 1, 2010, 04:41 PM
To the OP.

Filling out paperwork for an NFA item is easy. If your state allows it, register the weapon as an SBR. Then you can add a stock to it later if you want. You can own NFA weapons at 18 in most states. The only issue you might have is getting an LEO sign-off. Frankly, though, if you show up and come across as a responsible adult, I don't think you'll have a problem.

Chedderbob
June 11, 2010, 12:06 PM
Wow... very informative guys. Thanks so much for all the info, found a great walthrough on Kel-Tec Owners Group forums on how to register one as a SBR...

Thanka again for all your help

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