looking for a wondernine - CZ vs Sig vs someother non Glock


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Leaky Waders
May 29, 2010, 05:24 PM
Hi,

I have several pistols...my highest capacity is a beretta 380 cheetah - it holds 13+1.

I don't have a 9mm (parabellum) and was looking at options. Actually I was looking at 38 supers because I have several 1911's and am comfortable with that platform. But in all praticality, I think I would rather just get a 9mm.

I'm very familiar with the Beretta 92fs - it's a good pistol. But, I read lots of good stuff about the CZ 75's and the SigSauer's...how do they stack up?

The pistol would be one that is carried in the car/truck during trips and for plinking.

Please give your feedback on those platforms...I don't want a plastic pistol. So glock and other similar guns are out of the running. No hate...I just don't want one.

Thanks,

L.W.

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Wagon
May 29, 2010, 07:18 PM
I recently bought my 1st CZ.. a 75D (Euro version of P0-1), came with two 14 round mags. ~500 rounds and zero issue. The rubber grip has great ergo, shoots better than I can. The grip may be a tad big for small hands, but hold one or try shoot one to be sure... there are also thinner grip alternatives out there in case one finds the grip is too big.

I carry it in a HBE Com3 (IWB) holster and I find it very comfortable to carry all day despite it is an all metal gun -- even for a small frame like myself (155lb 32" waist). They have a PCR model which is almost identical to P0-1 except that it has a slimmer frame up front making it even more comfortable to carry.

CZ has a .22 kadet kit which will work across 75B, 75D (P-01 and PCR), so it is a bonus to go with CZ.

I have have owned a Sig, I did hold a few over the years, although they are solid guns but somehow it is not for me. So.. I cannot compare the two.

Over the years I have (and had) Ruger SP101, H&K USPc, Kahr PM and Bersa 380... I like the ergo of CZ the most while it is as solid and reliable as the H&K.

xring
May 29, 2010, 07:19 PM
It sounds like you want a steel framed weapon that doesn't need to be too carry friendly. I don't care for Berettas, so I can't help you there. I'd go with the CZ 75, stainless if you don't mind the premium. Take a hard look at Gen 3 S&W's like the 5906. Those are solid, reliable weapons. Sigs are great. I don't know if the aluminum frame will go the distance with a CZ. The 226, or 228 fit your description. I had a TT 228 but it didn't shoot for me for some reason. Most seem to like them. I prefer my 225, but that's not what you need. If you really want capacity, function, and the sweetest ergos in the hi cap 9's, go with the Hi Power. Browning or FN only...they're the same gun.

Knockdownpower
May 29, 2010, 11:06 PM
That's a toss up in my opinion between a Sig P226, Beretta 92, or as said above a S&W 5904/5906. Check these out and one will probably fit the build. Be sure and choose a good round that maximizes the performance of the round. Corbon DPX, Winchester Bonded PDX-1, Speer gold dot, Hornady TAP or critical defense just to name a few. Wow, tough choice!

md7
May 30, 2010, 02:00 AM
the beretta 92 is a nice gun, but the sig p226 and cz 75 have better ergos imho. between the cz 75 and sig p226 i would choose the cz 75. not that it is any better, i just do not care for how high the sigs barrel is off of the frame. it may not matter to you. i don't think there are any dogs in these choices.

also give the browning hi power a look. classic design, similar to the 1911, beautiful, and has an excellent track record.

KM
May 30, 2010, 06:05 AM
The CZ-75 or a SW 5906 are IMO just as good as a Sig, but for several hundred less. The S&W can be had for around 300 LNIB and a CZ for 400-450.

However, Sig's are fantastic also.

Get which ever you like the most aesthetically. They're all great.

Leaky Waders
May 30, 2010, 08:04 PM
Thanks for the feedback - I will check out the s&w too.

I forgot about brownings/fn's - what's the difference in a standard highpower and a mark3?

m2steven
May 30, 2010, 08:17 PM
I have a SA EMP 9mm 1911 and it's a great pistol. Accurate, great trigger, and is small enough to easily conceal. No plastic either.

A great shooter for plinking and protection.

samurai
May 30, 2010, 08:21 PM
I use a S&W 6906 with the adapter for the 5906 mag-15+1

dogtown tom
May 30, 2010, 08:33 PM
Leaky Waders: ...what's the difference in a standard highpower and a mark3?

Standard= Polished Blue finish (prettiest)
MkIII= Black Matte Epoxy finish (most durable)

Both are the same "MkIII" design (most current).

WutUpGeez
May 30, 2010, 09:13 PM
Why would you not go glock? All other nines are inferior.

Hawthorne2k
May 30, 2010, 09:17 PM
As much as I lurves me my CZ's, heigh to a range with a rental counter and try one for yourself first. They may or may not be your cup of tea, and you may find one of the other nines out there as being more to your liking.

xring
May 30, 2010, 09:47 PM
Dogtown nailed the differences. The Standards are beautiful to behold - with their bright blue finish. The MKIII has the durable enamal finish. The Standard can also be had with adjustable sights.

Wutupjeez: I've had my share of Glocks. They are extremely reliable and pretty darn accurate too. If another 9 is just as reliable, fits the hand, and you don't mind the weight, how is it inferior?

meytind
May 30, 2010, 10:21 PM
Sigs, Czs, S&W Third Generations, and Beretta 92s are all dead-nuts reliable with OEM mags. I'm not a big fan of the Beretta 92, or standard frame Sigs, because I find the grips too large for my hands. That's just me though; you might be different. Fire them all and get what you like best because you can't go wrong with any of the above.

May I ask why you won't consider a polymer framed pistol?

cobblestone
May 30, 2010, 10:37 PM
5906 is where its at

Full Metal Jacket
May 30, 2010, 10:41 PM
CZ75.

Sam1911
May 30, 2010, 10:52 PM
Why would you not go glock? All other nines are inferior. It aught to be a forum rule that you have to identify sarcastic comments with at least a "winky" smiley. (;))




And he said: I don't want a plastic pistol. So glock and other similar guns are out of the running. No hate...I just don't want one.

RSC
May 30, 2010, 10:54 PM
SIG 226 ... not the most beautiful gun known to man, but it makes the holes where you want them ... everytime

Marshall
May 31, 2010, 02:20 AM
I would go inexpensive for a car/truck gun. Get the CZ or a good used Sig or Browning/FN.

KONY
May 31, 2010, 01:05 PM
So many fine pistols to choose from: CZ PCR, S&W M&P, Beretta PX4, FN FNP9 & Springfield XD just to name a few.

Sam1911
May 31, 2010, 10:34 PM
S&W M&P, Beretta PX4, FN FNP9 & Springfield XD

Consider that four of your five recommend choices are polymer frame guns which flys contrary to the OP's specification:

I don't want a plastic pistol. So glock and other similar guns are out of the running.

230therapy
May 31, 2010, 11:03 PM
Gosh, there are only about 2,000 different choices if you include plastic frames.

Fantastic plastic...it really is good. Metal frames limit your options.

You could always get a metal frame for a Glock. Unfortunately, it costs as much as another Glock. However, you could sell the frame for around $250-300 or put a 22 conversion kit on it. You are also limited to the Glock 17 and 34...a solid choice.

http://www.robarguns.com/axframes.html


Other options off the top of my head:

Kahr makes metal frame single stacks. The Kahr T-9 may be what you're looking for.

1911 in 9mm. STI stands out, especially their Tactical 4.15. What's not to like about 26+1 capacity? SVI offers 29+1.... Single stacks are available from must about every manufacturer. Ooops...forgot the STI guns have plastic frames. SVI then.

Springfield and Kimber both have 9mm guns. The SA EMP seems nice.

SIG P225, P226, P228, P229, P239, and X5.

Browning Hi-Power. They're good, but need work out of the box. Dehorn, remove the magazine safety, night sights, bevel the magazine well, and refinish. Browning released them again, but cranked the price up to around $900 (for a $500-600 gun). At that price, I'd get a higher end SIG P229 or just get the 1911.

CZ's have already been mentioned. It's probably the lowest cost option short of a CDNN S&W or other used gun. The guns are in production, so parts should be available.

I dislike the older S&W guns. They don't feel right to me. I also dislike relying upon discontinued guns for self-defense (car gun). However, there is something to be said about a trade-in from CDNN...the price may be perfect.

Personally, I'd just get a SIG P229 Elite or P229 E2. SIG out of the box should be reliable (if it's not, it's broken). The SIGs are quite good with their SRT trigger, a trigger job and some night sights. SIG also offers a P229 in 22 Long Rifle for cheap practice.

If you just want a $500 gun, then get one of the CZ's. I like the CZ-85. CZ offers a ton of variants, including a single action version.

labhound
June 1, 2010, 12:41 AM
Stoeger Cougar. 15 +1, alloy frame, great ergonomics, accurate, soft shooting, manufactured on the Beretta Cougar machinery in Turkey by Stoeger which is owned by Beretta. $419 at Bass Pro Shops.

Old Shooter
June 1, 2010, 12:53 AM
I've had a CZ75B as well as a Beretta 92. Both were great guns, for me it would be a toss-up. For me, I feel the Beretta is significantly larger than the CZ, is that an issue for you?

If I had to choose today I would choose the CZ just for the sze issues. Both guns were 100% reliable and I would go up against the Zombies any day of the week with either of them.

With an answer like this I should probably be a politician, No?

1SOW
June 1, 2010, 12:56 AM
If you like the 1911 platform, the CZ 75B "SA" is a best kept secret. The trigger is much better than the DA/SAs and with some simple work can be great. Comes with 16 rd mags and accepts the SPO1 19rd mags smoothly. Mags, parts and 'upgrades' are cheaper than Sig.

I shoot both Sig and CZ 9mm. The Sig is a fine gun that runs on any ammo I've fed it.

My 75B DA/SA is also a fine gun, but I had to smooth the trigger out some and it has a long pull in DA.

For the range/competition, I much prefer the CZ.

Jed Carter
June 1, 2010, 05:51 AM
You cannot go wrong with a SIG P226 or P229, however my daily carry pistol is a CZ 75D PCR, Sunday I had the opportunity to shoot a CZ SP01 from Angus' custom shop, sweet trigger both ways DA/SA simply amazing, and much better sights. Side by side a stock CZ 75B and a SIG P226 the SIG with night sights would be my choice. Better fit and finish, better sights, better performance and reliability in my experience. I have never had any type of malfunction with my SIG P226 over 10,000 rounds through it, my PCR has had some feed issues with Remington UMC ammunition, probably just cheap ammo but the SIG eats anything. A SIG P226 in .40S&W sits on my nightstand I trust it over all the others Colt Beretta, Glock, CZ, etc.

TexasBill
June 1, 2010, 10:29 AM
SIG Sauer P226, Browning Hi-Power (funny, I've never needed any work other than the mag safety on any of mine), Beretta 92F. CZ is a good pistol, too, my personal preference would be the SIG or Browning with the SIG likely getting the nod. The P226 actually outperformed the Beretta in the Army tests but lost the contract because support was more expensive.

While I don't have any personal experience firing one, the Stoeger Cougar is highly recommended as a great value in a 9 mm pistol. As mentioned above, it's the same pistol as the Beretta Cougar, made with the same tooling, and has received excellent reviews.

You are doing yourself a disfavor by ruling out all the polymer-framed pistols, especially for a "truck" gun. They're a lot more forgiving of the slings and arrows of outrageous interiors and they shoot quite well. The Beretta PX4 Storm is especially sweet and the FNP-9 is a superb pistol and comes with three magazines. Then again, it's your choice and that's what's important.

LibertySympathizer
June 1, 2010, 11:34 PM
From a parts and accessory logistics standpoint, I'd choose either the Beretta or Sig.

searcher451
June 2, 2010, 12:38 PM
Walther P88C. It's the real deal and is often regarded as one of the five best 9mm handguns ever produced.

http://www.remtek.com/arms/walther/model/p88c/index.htm

Add a set of Nill grips and you've got a pistol that you'll be proud to own and shoot for as long as you live.

fatfreddiescat
June 2, 2010, 12:51 PM
I favor the P226, in a .40. It is dependable, nice to fire, extremely accurate (YMMV :D) amd just a fine handgun.

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