Which Bullet Charge to Use?


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drgoose
May 30, 2010, 12:26 AM
I am loading 45 ACP rounds using Rainer Bullets 200 gr copper plated round nose bullets. The Lyman manual does not have that exact bullet listed. My choices are:

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In their website rainer says you should use lead bullet data because thier copper plating is very thin....???
Which one would you use?

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DIV03
May 30, 2010, 12:35 AM
200gr FP
Ctg. Overall
Length 1.275" Case Remington
Gun Universal Receiver Max Case Length .898"
Barrel H-S Precision Trim to Length .888"
Length 5" with 1:16" twist MAX OAL 1.275"
Primer Remington 2-1/2 Max. Avg. Pressure 21,000 PSI Max OAL
200gr FP Alliant Blue Dot 8.7 712 12,200 Alliant Blue Dot 12.1 1080 20,500 1.275
Alliant Bullseye 4.0 664 9,700 Alliant Bullseye 6.6 1009 20,500
Alliant Unique 5.2 604 8,500 Alliant Unique 8.4 1034 20,600
Hodgdon HP-38 4.6 611 8,800 Hodgdon HP-38 7.4 1014 20,500
Hodgdon HS-6 7.9 718 11,500 Hodgdon HS-6 10.9 1028 20,400
Hodgdon Clays 4.3 729 12,300 Hodgdon Clays 5.5 941 21,000
Winchester 231 5.0 687 9,500 Winchester 231 7.2 993 20,000

From Rainer's 2005 reloading manual.
You can always use the loads for lead with Rainer TMJ

drgoose
May 30, 2010, 12:37 AM
Thanks for the info. Where can I find that manual? Do they have an online version?

Steve C
May 30, 2010, 12:45 AM
I would go to the powder company website and get a load for a 200 gr lead bullet, compare it to the various other data. Drop the maximum charge listed by the powder company by 10% for a start load or use the start load they publish.

Load up a box of shells with 10 rounds each at the start load and increase by 1/5 the difference between start and max unless the difference is less than a 1/10th grain and then increase by 1/10th grain. Make sure you can tell with load is what and take them to the range for testing. Start with the lightest load and proceed to the next if there are no pressure signs. If you see pressure signs stop and only use the previous lower load as maximum. Keep track of you groups. Select the most accurate that doesn't have pressure signs as the best load for that bullet powder, case, primer combination.

Alliant power/ formerly Hercules powders (http://www.alliantpowder.com/)
Hodgdon Powder Company - Hodgdon, Winchester and IMR powder (http://www.hodgdon.com/)
Accurate Powder Company (http://www.accuratepowder.com/)
Ramshot Powder Company (http://www.ramshot.com/powders/)

243winxb
May 30, 2010, 09:34 AM
http://www.rainierballistics.com/mainframe.htmQ3. Do your bullets have ANY velocity restrictions?

A. In general, our bullets typically perform their best when shot at velocities no greater than 1,200 to 1,250 Feet per second (FPS).
Q6. What if I can't find load data for your bullets?

A. If you have a load for a cast lead bullet, that will transfer across the board as far as our bullets go. We recommend that you reduce
a load for a jacketed bullet by 10%. I would not load more than 5.0gr of Bullseye.

Blackrock
May 30, 2010, 10:42 AM
I am using 5.9g of Titegroup with a Berrys 200g plated bullet.

Walkalong
May 30, 2010, 01:31 PM
Here is some plated bullet data (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6195350&postcount=11). Be patient with the links, some are slow.

If you can find some W-231 or HP-38, dose those pills with 5.0 Grs and have fun. Load em to about 1.260/65 O.A.L.

bds
May 30, 2010, 01:46 PM
+1 for 5.0-5.5 gr of W231/HP38 for 200 gr 45 ACP. Very accurate and my favorite match load.

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