Particles blowing in my face....


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rrruuunnn
May 30, 2010, 06:34 AM
I shot my KelTec P32 today. Particles were flying into my face on every round. What is going on? I shot two different ammos with the same effect.

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Snowdog
May 30, 2010, 08:16 AM
Wind direction? This isn't meant to be insulting, just curious if all the bases were covered (such as wind blowing unburned powder back on you). Is this the first time you've fired this pistol?

If not, did you inspect the brass to make sure your firing pin isn't chipped and puncturing primers?

My P32 doesn't do this so I don't have a ready explanation. :confused:

rrruuunnn
May 30, 2010, 10:02 AM
I was in an indoor range. The firing pin is okay. All I can say is that I had it worked on by KelTec for another problem. And this is the first time I've fired it since then.

Snowdog
May 30, 2010, 10:51 AM
I'm looking at my P32 now and really can't figure where the particles could be coming from. The channel between the the rear of the slide and the firing pin is about half an inch. I guess there could be some gunk in there being flung back upon you during firing, but I think you would be able to determine it's oily gunk and not particles.

Did you clean your P32 before taking it out after the repairs? Also, I take it that you experienced no such issue before the recent factory repair work (using the same ammunition), is this correct?

buck460XVR
May 30, 2010, 11:10 AM
If the gun is functioning fine I'd assume the particles are unburnt powder being thrown outta the case during ejection. Was ejection the problem with the gun before? Maybe the force or direction of the cases on ejection was changed during the repair.......or could just be cheap ammo.

Snowdog
May 30, 2010, 11:15 AM
rrruuunnn, do you have the ability to mic the chamber? If it was sent in for failures to feed and work was done to the barrel/chamber, I wonder if it's possible that they reamed the chamber (out of spec accidentally). I don't know if the brass would fire form to an out-of-spec chamber before gasses could escape out the breech, but it's another possibility to look into, especially if this behavior is new / post-repair.

rrruuunnn
May 30, 2010, 10:51 PM
I only did a rough spray down with lube before I went to the range. I had to send it in because the frame warped when I used RBCD ammo. I am not using that ammo anymore in my gun. The particles hit hard enough that I'm glad I wore glasses. Maybe, I will try and collect as much as I can and look under microscope for yall.

rrruuunnn
May 31, 2010, 02:25 AM
It is black. I will disassemble tonight to see if I can find anything.

Magnumite
May 31, 2010, 03:38 AM
What was on the towel or tissue you used to wipe your glasses off? If it was oily, then it was the lube on the gun hitting you in the face. Whatever it was, it was on your glasses.

rrruuunnn
May 31, 2010, 04:07 AM
I felt the sharp particles hitting my face, not the glasses.

rrruuunnn
May 31, 2010, 05:09 AM
I took it apart. It was really dirty. I haven't shot this gun for a long time. I see corrosion on the barrel. The inside of the barrel had lead fouling too. I think it's just a case of a neglected and dirty gun.

Magnumite
May 31, 2010, 09:35 AM
Your glasses were on your face, so whatever particles hit your face also hit your glasses. Just helping out with a way to identify what hit your face.

rrruuunnn
May 31, 2010, 01:32 PM
Okay Magnumite,

Next time, I go to the range, I'll look at the particles under a magnifying glass. Hopefully, the cleaning solved the problem.

rrruuunnn
June 2, 2010, 03:39 AM
Went to the range today. Although the Winchester went fine, the two ammo's that I had trouble with before were doing the same spray in my face (S&B and Wolf). Also had failure to extract and failure to feed. I noticed that the ammos are very weak. Sounded like a cap gun. The S&B are probably 5 years old. The Wolf I just bought. There was particles in front of chamber. Looks like beige sand particles.

Solution is to buy better ammo. Just thought I'd update and maybe someone has the same problem.

WardenWolf
June 2, 2010, 04:57 AM
Well, the overall solution is to take care of your guns better. Take care of them if you want them to take care of you.

New S&B is good, clean ammo, though some of their older stuff wasn't nearly as clean. They honestly make some of the highest quality rounds I've seen.

Wolf small pistol ammo should be avoided. I've actually heard reports of their 9x18 ammo primers damaging peoples' guns by, over time, burning the tip off the firing pin. Their primers are just too hot. This would be the exact same primer used in their .380 ammo, because the two rounds are nearly identical. These weren't new commercial pistols that were damaged, either. They were Polish P-64's, military pistols that were battle-tested and used for over 30 years. If it can do that to a military-grade pistol, imagine what it will do to your pocket pistol.

rrruuunnn
June 2, 2010, 05:24 AM
This gun got away from me. Didn't realize pocket lint and sea air would do that much since I didn't fire it that much.

Magnumite
June 2, 2010, 11:53 PM
Those beige sand particles are probably powder granuales, assuming a clean guy since you indicated you have cleaned it. They'll sting you some. Not burning for whatever reasons, that's accounting for the pop gun sound you described. Was that ammo ever wet or left in high heat conditions during those 5 years?

Snowdog
June 3, 2010, 03:24 AM
Gunk will certainly accumulate in pocket pistols. I carry a P32 while doing yard work much of the time and afterwords field strip it, take an old toothbrush to it, some compressed air and oil the slide rails. The finish is just about completely worn off the pistols in many spots, but it's still quite reliable.

nitetrane98
June 3, 2010, 03:31 AM
I've actually heard reports of their 9x18 ammo primers damaging peoples' guns by, over time, burning the tip off the firing pin. Their primers are just too hot.

WHAT?:what:

FirearmsEnthusiast
June 3, 2010, 03:40 AM
I managed to get a tiny piece of lead smack me in the head while watching someone shoot 25 yard targets with a .357 mag revolver. Gave me a paper cut looking thing, very weird considering I was behind and to the left of the shooter.

WardenWolf
June 3, 2010, 06:39 AM
WHAT?:what:

You heard me. That's what people were saying at P-64 Resource (http://www.p64resource.com/forum/index.php). And these people learned that the hard way, from experience. Wolf 9x18 or .380 ammo will damage your gun. The primers are hot enough to ruin the tempering on the firing pin tip.

nitetrane98
June 3, 2010, 07:39 AM
You heard me. That's what people were saying at P-64 Resource. And these people learned that the hard way, from experience. Wolf 9x18 or .380 ammo will damage your gun. The primers are hot enough to ruin the tempering on the firing pin tip.

BS. I don't care where you read it. That is the biggest bunch of BS I've ever heard. You want me to believe that a FP that is in contact with a primer for a millisecond is going to be able to transfer enough heat to burn it? I guess the cases must be glowing cherry red when they hit the ground. Imagine the fire hazard.

Melting a firing pin..... please.

WardenWolf
June 3, 2010, 08:15 AM
Keep in mind that Berdan primers DO operate a lot hotter than Boxer primers, and they have a momentary ignition and reach that heat in a mere millisecond. The firing pin is also nicely embedded in the primer, so it's receiving heat by direct conduction. These microtransfers of extreme heat will, over time, damage the tempering.

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