Going with a Wilson CQB over a gen 4 Glock 17


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Curare
June 1, 2010, 03:25 PM
I've been agonizing over the decision between a new Wilson CQB or a gen 4 Glock 17 (once the bugs are worked out) for the past few weeks. This will be my every day carry, and my home defense pistol. I will also use it in the low light CCW league that I shoot in. I previously didn't mind owning multiple platforms, but I'm moving toward consolidating my trigger time with one pistol and the AR for a number of reasons.

I've owned a dozen Glocks and currently own a G17 with grip cut to G19 specs--did the work myself. Also own a P7M8 and SW 640 as a BUG. The Glock 17 is a great gun--cheap, same trigger pull every pull of the trigger, easy to work on and mod, shoots a round that used to be cheap, great reliability, amazing finish. The gen 4 grip feels fantastic.

Over the last few weeks I've spent some time shooting a rental Wilson CQB, and holding a new CQB and G17 next to each other at the counter, and sticking them both in my waistband at 3:30. They are both very nice, but the Wilson grip feels just a bit better, the slide is so much thinner, and the trigger is a quantum leap better than the Glock--and I have very nice tuned Glock triggers. I want to let my belt out on the Glock, whereas the 1911 is barely noticeable. I carry my Glocks in nice holsters on good belts--Milt Sparks. Still feel like a tumor. Also, I don't feel safe with a shootable 3.5# Glock trigger--especially not when reholstering into an appendix rig.

The 1911 has many weaknesses from reliability, to weight, to cost, to follow-up shot speed, to more mag changes. They are more expensive to feed and purchase. I see that fact alone as something that has pushed many people away from the platform. I have a good job and don't mind buying a nice 1911 and a nice reloading set up, so cost isn't a huge factor personally. The weight issue isn't that big of an issue for me. I'm 6'3", 220 pounds, with a 48" chest an 36" waist. I can conceal a full size pistol, and don't mind the extra 14 ounces. I don't carry during the work day as guns aren't allowed at my office or in the hospital. This gun will spend 98% of its time in my vehicle, at my home, or at the range. I'm addressing the reliability issue by going with a good brand and keeping up with scheduled preventive maintenance. I also plan on training myself on malfunction clearance, and hopefully attending some courses.

I'm getting ready to order my Wilson and reloading set up. Sold my G19 to a friend this weekend, getting ready to sell some other unused stuff (P7M8, Arsenal milled underfolder, Government Carbine, VM2 holsters for G19 and P7M8) to help with the 4 grand expenditure. Today I managed to get through to Milt Sparks and ordered a black VM2 for the Government Model--only a 6 month wait.

I understand that the Glock 17 is a better handgun--I really like them. If I had to arm a military or law enforcement unit, was paid to potentially go up against multiple armed attackers on a daily basis, or thought a lot about TEOTWAWKI scenarios, I would pick the G17 without a second thought. However, the 1911 is a better fit for me.

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Jed Carter
June 1, 2010, 03:55 PM
If both are a 9mm the 1911 would have a lot shorter trigger reset so fast shooting is a breeze. I currently use a G34 in USPSA and IDPA, just this Sunday I had to shoot at 2 turning targets that were visable for just over 1 second. I got 6 shots on the first and 7 on the second so the Glock can run fast. Many would say get 4 or 5 Glocks for the price of the Wilson, but the Wilson is a great pistol with a good trigger. I just ordered an STI Trojan from their Custom shop in 9mm to replace my G34,it should be like night and day, however that day may not arrive before mid Sept. You are really comparing apples and oranges, my suggestion get both, the G17 now and the Wilson CQB later or the other way round if you prefer. I had a unique experience at the match Sun, I got to shoot a CZ SP01 from Angus' Custom shop what a sweet DA trigger and the SA had a reset of about 1/8" as near perfect of a 9mm that I've shot.

loadedround
June 1, 2010, 04:41 PM
Why would you even consider buying any Glock over a Wilson CQC pistol. That's blasphemy at my club!

Hondo11
June 1, 2010, 09:33 PM
In other news, I chose a BMW 7 Series over a Ford Taurus.

TexasPatriot.308
June 1, 2010, 09:45 PM
if you can afford it go for it, for CQC, a .45 at that range dont discriminate if you are shooting a Wilson, Glock or a Hi-Point. if you are out to shoot target spend it if you got it. the .45s we carried in the early 70's rattled and just slung lead. at short range, anything is better than a rock.

Ruggles
June 1, 2010, 10:26 PM
Both will serve the role but the CQB has much going for it over the Glock many of these you named in your post but for fun: (CQB = 1911 In These Points)

1. Cost: Glock
2. Trigger: CQB
3. Ergonomics: CQB
4. Reliability: Equal (Oh yeah I did say it! And it's true)
5. Accuracy: CQB
6. Capacity: Glock
7. Ammo Cost: Glock
8. Ammo Effectiveness: CQB
9. Carry Profile: CQB
10. Carry Weight: Glock
11. After Market Support: Equal
12. Shoot-ability: CQB
13. Service Life: Equal
14. Pistol Whipping Ability: CQB
15. Chicks Dig It Charm: CQB
16. One Would John Wayne Use: CQB
17. Most Likely To Shoot a Pro Football Player Or LEO In The Leg Accidentally: Glock
18. Most Likely To Be Mentioned In A Rap Song: Glock
19. Most Likely To Be Mentioned By Hank Williams Jr In A Song: CQB ~ Well a 1911 anyways ("Love To Shoot Him With My Ole .45" Was Not About A Glock!)
20. Carried By Tommy Lee Jones: Glock (J.W. Owns TLJ!)
21. More Fun To Field Strip: CQB
22. Ability To Be Completely Taken Apart With A Single Tool: Glock
23. Made Of Metal & Wood: CQB
24. Ability To Shoot When Held Sideways: Glock (Seen It In The Movies)
25. Defended This Land Of Freedom For The Last Century: CQB

As you can clearly see the choice is clear ! :)

earlthegoat2
June 1, 2010, 10:30 PM
8. Ammo Effectiveness: CQB(Oh yeah I did say it! And it's true)

There, you needed your parenthetical reassurance on this one too. ;)

Jimineer
June 1, 2010, 10:33 PM
My wife rented a Wilson CQB and I shot it several times. Nice gun but I wouldn't lay out that much cash for one. Just wasn't that great. But that's just me.

meytind
June 1, 2010, 10:35 PM
20. Carried By Tommy Lee Jones: Glock (J.W. Owns TLJ!)

Going to have to disagree with you on that one, chief.

EddieNFL
June 2, 2010, 08:18 AM
18. Most Likely To Be Mentioned In A Rap Song: Glock

Primary reason I don't own one.

Taurus 617 CCW
June 2, 2010, 09:10 AM
If the CQB is what you really want then I say go for it. The Glocks will always be there and they are easier to find. Did you say you are dropping 4 grand on it? For that much you could have a gunsmith build one from scratch and fine tune it for you.

230therapy
June 2, 2010, 09:26 AM
Buying a $3k plus gun is all about art and luxury.

For $4000, you could get a serious long range rifle. You could outfit yourself with several sport utility rifles, a reloading setup with supplies, several self-defense handguns and a good 22 (with several thousand rounds of ammo).

$4k could be HALF of a fairly decent double barrel shotgun. If you were serious, $20k can get you something nice. Yes...there are people who spend that much money on a shotgun.

But...for self-defense, I just don't see the need for a $3k+ gun. The gun is going to get dinged up and won't hold its value. If you use it to stop a criminal, you will probably lose it (not in all jurisdictions, but many of them).

What does this gun do that a Glock, SIG, S&W or other won't do?

Granted, I consider my self-defense guns to be just another expense. The real cost will be your legal defense (since in some places in the US, even being right gets the good guy jail time).

ForumSurfer
June 2, 2010, 10:01 AM
You can't go wrong with the CQB. I had a gen4 17 briefly and loved it. I ditched it in favor of a Glock 19. I'm 5'10" 165. The size difference between a 17 and 19 may look minor, but I simply couldn't conceal the 17 unless I dressed in a very loose fitting and baggy fashion. I don't like to dress like that so I sold the 17 to buy a 19 to serve as a dual purpose gun. I can use it for home defense and carry it if I so choose. I still prefer carrying my commander sized 1911, but the glock is nice to carry sometimes. Like when I know I'll be crawling under my vehicles. It's also nice for woods carry. Before anyone yells "10mm," the only predators I worry about in my area are of the 2 legged variety.

In other news, I chose a BMW 7 Series over a Ford Taurus.

That's funny!

This post made me wish I would have gotten more involved into shooting before I had young children. My collection would no doubt be monumental. I've always loved shooting, but up until the past few years I never expanded my collection past a self defense pistol and all the rifles and shotguns my father passed to me. Instead, I spent the money back then on liver degradation and chasing the fairer sex. For the price of those weekend beach trips and nights out I could have instead purchased all the AR's I now want, reloading supplies, custom built bob tailed 1911's...the list goes on. These days I have kids and "specialist" bills. Why is every doctor a specialist?! Can't doctors multi-task and charge me less?! My purchases are fewer and farther between, now.

Greg528iT
June 2, 2010, 10:20 AM
22. Ability To Be Completely Taken Apart With A Single Tool: Glock

I can fully disassemble my Springfield with 1 tool.. a small screw driver. Does the Wilson have a full length guide rod?

BlayGlock
June 2, 2010, 10:31 AM
However, the 1911 is a better fit for me.

Me too and it is the reason that I swicthed over from Glocks. I too personally think that the Glock is a better tool for LEO and the like. And if I were going into harms way where I may face multiple attackers I would opt for a Glock as well. But I find a single stack 1911 to be much more comfortable to conceal and my odds of facing a single attacker, much less multiple ones are slim. I can conceal my Les Baer TRS comfortably all day long.

Congrats on the Wilson, they make a nice piece.

Also I reload to feed my .45s. I can reload 100 rounds for about $12-13. Think of it this way: you ammo savings are paying for that expensive gun.

Here's a pic of my Les Baer after a long range session:

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/BlayGlock/BaerTRS001.jpg

BlayGlock
June 2, 2010, 10:32 AM
In other news, I chose a BMW 7 Series over a Ford Taurus.

Thats funny. I think the Glock is more akin to a Ford F-150 however. Which gun would be a Ford Taurus? Maybe a Taurus MilPro?

BlayGlock
June 2, 2010, 10:40 AM
The 1911 has many weaknesses from reliability

With good mags this should not be a problem with the CQB.

loadedround
June 2, 2010, 02:13 PM
Who the devil is J.H.? :)

Ratdog68
June 2, 2010, 03:05 PM
Enjoy your new 1911... I never could stand the feel of a Glock in my paws... grip angle was just too strange to me. A good 1911 rocks. I've fed 1,000s of rounds through mine and it just keeps spittin' the empties on the deck.

Curare
June 2, 2010, 06:00 PM
That TRS looks awfully tempting.

Also--the $4000 is for a CQB and nice Dillon 650 or 1050 set up. The CQB is $2550+options.

Going with no slide markings, no front cocking serrations, all black, solid natural finish alum. trigger, checkered diamond wood grips, flush cut muzzle, recessed/flush cut slide stop, night sights with no white surrounds, round butt. Plan on carrying with a flush fitting Colt 7 round mag when IWB. My mouth is watering.

Can't wait to wear off the finish and shoot the snot out of it.

BlayGlock
June 2, 2010, 06:57 PM
Quote:
20. Carried By Tommy Lee Jones: Glock (J.W. Owns TLJ!)

Going to have to disagree with you on that one, chief.


Why? It is what he carried in that movie U.S. Marshals with Wes Snipes and Robert Downey Jr. He told Robert to get rid of his nickel plated sissy gun and get a Glock.

BlayGlock
June 2, 2010, 06:58 PM
Quote:
18. Most Likely To Be Mentioned In A Rap Song: Glock

Primary reason I don't own one.

You're missing out.

EddieNFL
June 2, 2010, 07:13 PM
You're missing out.
On what? Tried a Glock about 25 years ago. Not for me. Works fine for the wife.

Buck Snort
June 2, 2010, 08:37 PM
And when you use it in an SD shooting the cops will confiscate it and WHOOF! there goes a $2600 gun you may or may not ever see again. Stick with the Glock. My CBQ is a safe queen because I just can't bear the thought of it being confiscated and ending up in some cop's gun collection.

BlayGlock
June 2, 2010, 09:02 PM
And when you use it in an SD shooting the cops will confiscate it and WHOOF! there goes a $2600 gun you may or may not ever see again. Stick with the Glock. My CBQ is a safe queen because I just can't bear the thought of it being confiscated and ending up in some cop's gun collection.

For sure it is a valid fear. However, for me personally, if it ever happens, I will consider it money well spent if it saves mt hide.

motorcopm4
June 2, 2010, 09:32 PM
Buying a $3k plus gun is all about art and luxury.

For $4000, you could get a serious long range rifle. You could outfit yourself with several sport utility rifles, a reloading setup with supplies, several self-defense handguns and a good 22 (with several thousand rounds of ammo).

$4k could be HALF of a fairly decent double barrel shotgun. If you were serious, $20k can get you something nice. Yes...there are people who spend that much money on a shotgun.

But...for self-defense, I just don't see the need for a $3k+ gun. The gun is going to get dinged up and won't hold its value. If you use it to stop a criminal, you will probably lose it (not in all jurisdictions, but many of them).

What does this gun do that a Glock, SIG, S&W or other won't do?

Granted, I consider my self-defense guns to be just another expense. The real cost will be your legal defense (since in some places in the US, even being right gets the good guy jail time).
If you were serious, $20k can get you something nice. Yes...there are people who spend that much money on a shotgun.

never understood that and I have 12 1911's

Curare
June 2, 2010, 10:06 PM
Every day I spend away from a 1911 in my hand makes me revert to my previous Glock experience and interest. Maybe I'll just get both, and compare them over a year or two. :confused:

ForumSurfer
June 3, 2010, 09:12 AM
Maybe I'll just get both, and compare them over a year or two.

That's the best option. I have both.

If I ever get that reloading setup I've been drooling over, I'll get one of those sf 45 glocks. Until then, the lone G19 RTF2 in my collection is enough plastic for me...at least until the gen4 G19 or G23 is released.

Sapper771
June 3, 2010, 10:50 AM
Maybe I'II just get both

I think that is a great Idea, if you can swing it.

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