H&k p7


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zombie1210
June 1, 2010, 05:50 PM
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6055/p1010024ps.jpg

Found this one today.

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legion3
June 1, 2010, 06:08 PM
Classic - one of the old German cop guns that somebody chromed the slide on. Top notch!

IMTHDUKE
June 1, 2010, 06:13 PM
A grade or B?

zombie1210
June 1, 2010, 06:13 PM
I think its satin nickel, and its not a "graded" pistol.

Coltdude84
June 1, 2010, 06:25 PM
I believe what IMTHDUKE is referring too when these german surplus police P7 pistols were bought from the departments by dealers some were refinished and most dealers referred to them as either a Grade A, B , or C as far as Condition, fit and finish goes.. Grade A of course being the closest to like new... CDNN was a big buyer of these and had the slides refinished with a few of the last batches.. and graded them either Grade A, B, or C...

rellascout
June 1, 2010, 06:29 PM
My guess is it is a CDNN pistol. They refinished a bunch of them when the last batches were brought in. Most of time they are T25 Silver finish.

zombie1210
June 1, 2010, 06:29 PM
I says nothing about a grade on the box, nor any reference to CDNN. I don't know its origin, except that a good buddy sold it to me, and that it has only been fired a few times. Its not important anyway.

A very interesting design, and unlike anything I've fired, to date. Seems like it would be very safe. It takes a real deliberate set of actions to make it go boom.

usp9
June 1, 2010, 06:47 PM
What is stamped on the right side? That will tell you something of the history of the gun. It is probably a police trade in and will bear the cartouche of the agency. It appears to be in very nice condition. The T-25 refinish job looks good. Enjoy

zombie1210
June 1, 2010, 06:54 PM
It think it is T-25. The right side has the serial number, and a small logo that looks like NDS

Flash!
June 1, 2010, 08:34 PM
looks exactly like mine! It is a sweet weapon....

zombie1210
June 1, 2010, 08:39 PM
It carries nicely. Usually I go IWB, but the P7 is short enough that it doesn't hang down lower than a shirt or jacket.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9522/p1010036qf.jpg

legion3
June 2, 2010, 01:27 PM
The NDS marking is for 'Niedersachsen', Lower Saxony, Germany.

CDNN P7s marked w/ Nds were issued to the State Police of Lower Saxony through the BMI (Federal Ministry of Interior), which has jurisdiction over all the State & Border police.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Saxony

http://www.polizei.niedersachsen.de/dst/pdhan/

zombie1210
June 2, 2010, 01:47 PM
Ok. But where is the date code on this thing?

Here is a closeup of the right side. I cut off the first 2 digits of the serail, but this is ALL that is on it. No typical HK date codes anywhere. ????????

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9518/p1010046y.jpg

You can see the left side in my first pic. These are the only marking on the pistol.

usp9
June 2, 2010, 02:24 PM
Many of the early P7s didn't have a date code stamped on the gun. This means the gun is probably from 1980 to around 1982 or so.

zombie1210
June 2, 2010, 02:40 PM
Must be the case on this one.

Thanks

vaupet
June 3, 2010, 05:22 AM
As most other countries, German guns are proof-shot before release to the public. This proof stamp carries a date or a two letter code wich leads you to establishing its proof-shooting date.
from the anschutz web-site: http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?menu=25&sprache=1&frageID=%90%A9%06%D1%BF3_%E2&FAQID=%2503%2514%25F4%2519%25B2%25E0r%25CD


pictures from my HK-USP and anschutz 64

usp9
June 3, 2010, 07:05 AM
zombie1210's P7 carries the BWB military acceptance mark instead of the Ulm "antler" consumer (civilian) mark.

Later P7s carried a date showing month/year.

HK now uses the A through K, (O - 9) code date showing the year only. Most HKs come with a spent shell envelope showing the test date.

Here's a picture showing the common marks. This is a neat example because it has two agency marks, (the two most common I think), the NDS and BMI. It also shows the BWB and date code seen on later guns.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/OddP7marks.jpg

vaupet
June 3, 2010, 07:20 AM
at usp9:
thanks for pointing out the "military" marking.
For the people interested: the Anschutz-link in my earlier post gives the translation of the a to K code

thanks and greetings

Storm
June 3, 2010, 10:17 AM
Just as an FYI, the ABC grades had little to nothing to do directly with finish. It was a grade based upon mechanical condition, I would assume being primarily wear. That's why there were a good number of B and C's with finishes equal to or better than other guns graded an A.

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