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Barksdale123
June 1, 2010, 11:37 PM
Inviting comments on this gun. Potential Concealed carry.

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IdahoLT1
June 2, 2010, 01:34 AM
They are very good guns. The only drawbacks I can think of are the cost of mags and it weight for daily concealed carry. But its heavier weight helps with range use and follow up shots.

David E
June 2, 2010, 01:51 AM
Fine gun, often overlooked.

It's not heavy in the right holster.

mbt2001
June 2, 2010, 02:25 AM
I regard single stack magz as being more reliable than double stacked... Just throwing that out there.

3845
June 2, 2010, 05:55 AM
Owned and carried a 3914 (same gun in blue) for 20+ years. Excellent piece, totally reliable and surprizingly accurate. Only about 25 oz., not much more than a Dick Special. Magazines are (were?) available with a flat floorplate, making it a little easier to conceal in some circumstances.
That pistol remains one of my favorites after all these years.

Barksdale123
June 2, 2010, 06:21 AM
Found a used 3953 (DAO 3913 ) for $ 430.00, Comments?

19-3Ben
June 2, 2010, 06:25 AM
A little high unless in incredible shape.

Either way, you're not going to get anything new at that price that can touch the 3953 in terms of quality.

benEzra
June 2, 2010, 07:30 AM
I don't think that's not a bad price, actually (if in decent shape). Before they stopped making them, MSRP was around $800, as I recall, and they aren't making any more.

My own CCW is a 3913 Ladysmith that I've had since the mid-1990's:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/uploads/1168567538/gallery_260_23_29637.jpg

In addition to recreational shooting, I also shoot occasional USPSA matches with it. The only failure of any kind it has ever had was a single round of Winchester white box bulk ammo from Walmart that was completely missing the priming compound (the firing pin dented the primer almost to the bottom of the cup but it didn't go off, even on two restrikes). Other than that, no failures of any kind, shooting both cheap FMJ and a variety of JHP, including Cor-Bon 115gr +P that has the nose profile of an ashtray.

I find it easier to carry than my wife's Glock 26 (the S&W is a little longer in the slide and grip, but thinner through the grip) and it is pretty accurate for a 3.5" barreled pistol. Here's a pretty typical 3-shot group at 7 yards:


http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/uploads/1188452912/gallery_260_23_6397.jpg


Yes, 3 shots---look closely at the top hole. The trigger is very good (mine's a DA/SA, which I prefer over DAO), the Novak sights are great (although I upgraded mine to the Novaks with tritium inserts), and the fit and finish is good. Disassembly takes a little practice before it is easy, but it's not bad. Overall, I'm very happy with mine and would definitely buy another.

Some links from around the 'net on the 3913/3953:

http://www.thegunzone.com/3913nl.html
http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIIC2r3.html (from the 1990's, but valid)
http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIIC2r2.html (ditto)

samurai
June 2, 2010, 09:06 AM
I'm very happy with my 3913NL. I alternate carrying it with a CS9 and 6906 when i carry "metal"- same holsters.

Legionnaire
June 2, 2010, 09:53 AM
In my opinion, one of the best CCW guns out there. My first CCW ever was a 4013, which is basically the same gun (slightly larger) in .40 S&W. I liked it so much I decided to also pick up one in 9mm. Magazines are expensive, but they can be found on the gun boards and auction sites regularly for less than S&W wants them. Only negative I can think of is that some don't like the DA/SA operation, although it never bothered me.

JWF III
June 2, 2010, 11:23 AM
I don't think that's not a bad price, actually (if in decent shape). Before they stopped making them, MSRP was around $800, as I recall, and they aren't making any more.


And I've seen online prices (used guns) increase 20%-35% since they made the cuts to the lineup. Places that used to have them for $430-$450 are now $550-$600.

Wyman

The Lone Haranguer
June 2, 2010, 06:36 PM
This is an outstanding CCW gun, big enough to shoot well, small enough to easily conceal. It is light thanks to an aluminum frame, slender and flat, reliable, accurate and has smooth trigger actions (within the limits of the design).

While I recognize that these are fictional characters, Calleigh Duquesne (played by Emily Procter) of CSI Miami can often be seen carrying one, as could Miss Parker (played by Andrea Parker) of The Pretender. :)

PX15
June 2, 2010, 07:10 PM
JMOfartO:

I bought a new 3913 when they first hit the market, and it's been a fine single stack 9MM pistol from day one. In fact my only Son has already put "dibs" on it and I've cleaned it up and put it away for him.

Surprising that he prefers the 3913 as I also have a 3913LS/6906/CS9, two H&K P7's and an H&K P2000sk to chose from....:scrutiny:

All of my 3rd Gen Smiths have been absolutely reliable, and more than self defense accurate and I would recommend any of them to someone looking for a quality, altho underappreciated by the plastic gun crowd now, single stack 9mm pistol.

Jesse

shiftyer1
June 2, 2010, 07:25 PM
I have a 3953 and thus far have no complaints, except for the fact that it's dao.

Runningman
June 2, 2010, 07:47 PM
Found a used 3953 (DAO 3913 ) for $ 430.00, Comments? That is way to much for a 3rd generation DAO IMO.

S&W 3913 are excellent, but DAO 3rd generation S&W are not very desirable.

jhallrv4
June 2, 2010, 09:05 PM
3913...it's ALL good. Yum.

Glad when I got mine it came with 5, yes, FIVE mags. I thought "what the heck will I do with 5 mags?" Heh-heh, I was SO naive.

I have the NL version, but I replaced the slim plastic grip with Hogue rubbers. I like it better, but yes, the slim plastic is noticeably slimmer and lighter, but not a good fit for my hand.

In summary, without a doubt one of my keepers, and favorite guns. If I'm driving around with the 3913, I admit to occasionally just picking it up and enjoying the feel of it in my hand. Perfect fit. Thank God it's cheap to shoot, as I shoot it a lot. Darned accurate too.
Note the carry melt treatment in the second photo, it came to me that way. Smoothing on the slide release and safety levers.

Jeff
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p112/jhallrv4/gun/3913holster2.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p112/jhallrv4/gun/3913left.jpg

MICHAEL T
June 2, 2010, 10:50 PM
Only 9mm I have been sorry I sold. Thats one I should have kept.

earlthegoat2
June 2, 2010, 11:33 PM
They WERE often overlooked. Now, they are getting more attention and the price is rising.

Mags can be tough but at least they are out there. I would think 30 per mag a going price right now. I have some I found in a bin at a pawn shop for 10 apiece and I am holding onto them until I get a 3913 of my own.

430 is a good price I would say since I see them only going up from now on.

sidheshooter
June 3, 2010, 12:51 AM
I'd probably pay that for a super clean, minty 3953, but only because I wanted one back in the day and never got one.

At any rate, a good CCW, IMO.

wnycollector
June 3, 2010, 06:20 AM
Found a used 3953 (DAO 3913 ) for $ 430.00, Comments?
Here is an 85% S&W 3914 on GB with a high current bid of $250! You had better be quick though since the auction ends in 13 hrs! Here is the link to the auction http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=171275503

Barksdale123
June 3, 2010, 06:52 AM
Thanks, I will follow up on this. BTW Why is DAO undesirable?

benEzra
June 3, 2010, 07:04 PM
Thanks, I will follow up on this. BTW Why is DAO undesirable?
Because the single-action trigger for the second and subsequent shots of a DA/SA is a thing of beauty compared to the crunch, crunch, crunch of a DAO. The 3953 will be just as reliable as the 3913, but the trigger of the 3953 is more like that of a Glock with the New York Plus trigger setup, i.e. very heavy, and with a longer pull.

Personally, I prefer the DA/SA because the long, heavy DA first shot makes accidental discharges less likely (just like a revolver), but once you start shooting the gun transitions to a short, light, accuracy-conducive single action trigger. The long, heavy DA pull isn't much of a handicap for a single shot, but the DAO has it for every single shot. It's consistent but is slower (due to the very long reset) and IMO somewhat harder to shoot well for followup shots than the DA/SA. The one thing about DA/SA is that whenever you cycle the slide with the safety off, or are done with a shooting string, make it a habit to decock the gun using the safety/decocker (sweep it down and back up in one quick motion) to safely drop the hammer and render the gun DA again.

Potential advantages of the DAO, on the other hand, are that it lets you not worry about having to decock, prevents you from having to worry about accidentally engaging the safety and/or forgetting to disengage the safety at a bad time, and results in a consistent (if heavy) trigger pull from shot to shot for those who have trouble with the DA-to-SA transition.

BTW, if I understand correctly, the 3914 is the blued version of the 3913; I had to look that up, so I figure there might be some others like me who didn't already know that. That particular gun (in the auction) is a Ladysmith model, which IMO is a slightly better gun than the standard 3913/3914 due to the angled frame design, left-side-only safety/decocker (slimmer), and (at least according to one S&W rep I talked to) a slightly better trigger pull.

capttom
June 3, 2010, 08:10 PM
I love the 908, the blue value line version of the 3913.It's a primo CCW gun and also shines at the range. It's certainly more accurate than I am. (I have a friend who sometimes shoots his 908 in IPSC and he's no slouch at the game.) I liked it so much that I sold my Glock 26. The weight difference wasn't a problem and the Smith concealed better for me because of the slimmer grip. I don't see much need for an ambidextrous decocker and thus prefer the "cheaper" model over the 3913/14; it's just a tad narrower.
The 908 was my first example of a 3rd generation S&W and I've since acquired a double stack. I miss their passing.

Chimbarazo
June 4, 2010, 12:23 AM
I had a couple of 908s and really admired them, but was finally able to trade up to the 3913 I really wanted: the elegant Ladysmith version. These are wonderful pistols and I compare them to Mossberg shotguns: utterly reliable, relatively inexpensive, accurate and American-made. The flat design is an added bonus and the 3913 remains one of my favorite carry guns.

minutemen1776
June 4, 2010, 04:02 PM
These are superb little pistols. I've owned and carried both a 908 and 3913. The only reason I don't have either of them now is that I found and purchased a Kahr K9, which I believe to be a slightly better carry pistol. Others' opinions may vary of course. As for the price, it's not too bad for today's market, so long as the pistol is in good shape. Most of the used 3913s I have seen lately have gone for at least $400.

KodiakBeer
June 4, 2010, 04:36 PM
A 3913 was the only auto I've ever owned that I could not make function properly. I tried different loads, bought new mags, did everything I could think of and yet it was never reliable. It would jam every couple of mags no matter what I did. I traded it for a FEG Hi-Power clone worth less than half what the 3913 was worth and never looked back. The cheap FEG ran like a clock.

PX15
June 4, 2010, 05:37 PM
KB:

S&W has a lifetime warranty, did you ever send it back for service?

Just askin'...


Best Wishes,

Jesse

basicblur
June 4, 2010, 06:02 PM
Got a 4013TSW-only thing I HATE 'bout it (and I assume the model you're looking at is the same) is that bass ackwards safety! :banghead:
I prefer a 1911/USPC style-up for safe, flip down for fire. Much more instictive/easier for me to manipulate.
Besides being backwards, I don't like the pivot point being behind the lever-I'd prefer the pivot point be in front of the safety.
I also tend not to like slide mounted safeties-prefer frame mounted like the 1911 etc.

'Course, I'd like that 4013 better if is was a double-stack (if they could keep it slim).

KodiakBeer
June 4, 2010, 06:10 PM
S&W has a lifetime warranty, did you ever send it back for service?

No. I didn't like it for other reasons (mainly that awful DAO first shot) and was just happy to get rid of it.

Thaddeus Jones
June 5, 2010, 06:00 PM
The 3913 is the finest auto pistol S&W ever made. Light weight, reliable, easily concealed.

Mine is a tack driver and goes everywhere with me. Last pistol I would ever sell. TJ

benEzra
June 5, 2010, 07:22 PM
Got a 4013TSW-only thing I HATE 'bout it (and I assume the model you're looking at is the same) is that bass ackwards safety!
I prefer a 1911/USPC style-up for safe, flip down for fire. Much more instictive/easier for me to manipulate.
Besides being backwards, I don't like the pivot point being behind the lever-I'd prefer the pivot point be in front of the safety.
I also tend not to like slide mounted safeties-prefer frame mounted like the 1911 etc.
I generally only use the safety as a decocker, reholstering, or while handling the gun out of the holster. Unlike a 1911, the S&W is designed to be carried safety-off if the user so chooses.

Setzer77
June 5, 2010, 08:18 PM
The Lone Haranguer "...as could Miss Parker (played by Andrea Parker) of The Pretender."

Truly a lethal combination. :D


I had the LS variant a few years ago. Of the 20 or so firearms I've gone through since I started buying, the 3913 is the only gun I truly regret selling.


Superb gun.

Janos Dracwlya
June 6, 2010, 02:04 AM
While I recognize that these are fictional characters, Calleigh Duquesne (played by Emily Procter) of CSI Miami can often be seen carrying one, as could Miss Parker (played by Andrea Parker) of The Pretender.

Let us also not forget Elizabeth Peņa's character in Rush Hour (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1855297792/nm0001615)

Tom Fury
June 6, 2010, 09:54 AM
Wesley Snipes in "Demolition Man"...
cheers, TS

all4soccer
June 6, 2010, 08:49 PM
I am going to drag out one of the first guns I bought - a 5943 with night sites.
Never warmed up to the DAO. It's in great shape and at some of the prices posted earlier, it may be time to let it go!

gunfrk
June 6, 2010, 10:58 PM
I picked my 3913 up about 6 months ago for 350 cash on a ftf. I had waited so long for this one. It was a 99% gun. It looked like it spent its life in a sock drawer.

The other last to be sold is a 1990 G 19 that performs way better than I do. :D

KyJim
June 7, 2010, 11:00 PM
The 3913 is an excellent carry pistol. Mine has been 100% reliable. The double action is a bit heavy but okay. Single action is good.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x223/KyJim_photos/Smith%20and%20Wesson%20Auto%20Loaders/SW_3913_RafterS_holster1.jpg

Barksdale123
June 7, 2010, 11:41 PM
WNYCollector gave me a good lead, but through a comedy of errors could not get the gun. Went for $265.00 I think. I picked up the following after loosing the bid on a 3953TSW model. I finally got this one.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=172741828#DESC

wnycollector
June 8, 2010, 06:05 AM
Yep I saw that it went for $265...somebody stole that gun;) If you think that 3914 was a deal, take a look at this CS9 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=172502681 LOL the current high bid is $225!

bamacisa
June 8, 2010, 09:49 PM
I had a S&W Model 39 and gave to my son (he is in his 40"s) I replaced it with a new 3913. They are both great pistols. I did not have have a problem with either pistol. Neither pistol is high cap, but they conceal good function great and feel great in your hand. I wish that S&W still made them especially at the prices that I bought them for.

Landric
August 25, 2010, 05:26 AM
To revive this thread:

I have owned (and foolishly sold) both a 3913 and a 3953. Overall, my preference was for the 3953. The S&W DAO is shorter and slicker than many DAO pistols, and with the slick slide, the 3953 is very skinny. The widest part of the 3913 is the ambi decocking lever/safety. I'm currently seaching for a 3953 or 3953 TSW and hoping not to have to spend too much. Prices on them seem to have really taken off since they went out of production. I understand S&W moving away from the 3rd generation series as a whole (though I hate the decision to do so), but I really wish the 3913 and 3953 would have remained in production.

Borch
August 25, 2010, 08:18 AM
It's the only handgun I own that I will NEVER sell. Easily one of the 3 best pistols ever made if you ask me.

wbwanzer
August 25, 2010, 09:53 AM
I haven't carried mine yet as I live in Maryland, but that's what I bought it for (I can legally carry in surrounding states). I think it's just the right size. Not too small and not too large.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/wbwanzer/SW3913001.jpg

Confederate
August 25, 2010, 01:15 PM
S&W can no longer afford to make pistols like this, but they were sadly overlooked by many gun writers. The second and third generation pistols produced by S&W were incredible, especially the 659 and 5906 9mm. They were the last great auto pistols that S&W ever produced.

KodiakBeer apparently had a lemon, but he could have sent it back and have it reworked. That's what I would have done.

The original 39/59 pistols were just dreadful. One magazine even did a cover article stating that the lowly Raven .25 was superior to the 39/59s because the Raven worked, while the 39/59s often wouldn't!

In the initial military trials, the Beretta failed once in an average of every 2,000 rounds. That's astounding! The S&W 459, on the other hand, failed once in an average of 960 rounds. That's also astounding. The Beretta eventually won out as we all know, but these and other guns represented new designs that blew away the outdated 1911 .45 auto. The .45 was great in its day, but out of the box it was less than reliable.

The third generation S&Ws were incredible. The 659 was just what I was looking for at the time. It was gorgeous, made of stainless steel and was incredibly reliable. It looked like the old 59, but it worked! Then, later, the 5906 replaced it and it, too, was flawless, plus it was more ergonomic. (I still prefer the 659, but that's just my preference.)


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/AAAGunMag_2.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/SW659_20rounder.jpg

The 659 was beautiful, but S&W can no longer afford to make it, as it would
sell for close to a grand.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/SW5906_2.jpg

The 5906 was one of the finest guns S&W ever produced. It can even
be shot limp-wristed!

.

Steve 48
August 25, 2010, 06:04 PM
I bought mine a long time ago and yes, its a great carry gun especially with 147 grs.

Aahzz
August 25, 2010, 07:31 PM
The 3913 has been my preferred carry gun for years. I currently own 2 of them, as well as a 5906. I loved the 908 I used to own as well, but didn't like the blued finish as much, so it was sold when I got the first 3913. The 3913 is hands down the last gun I'd ever sell - reliable, concealable, accurate, and still fun to shoot at the range.

Aahzz
August 25, 2010, 07:33 PM
I generally only use the safety as a decocker, reholstering, or while handling the gun out of the holster. Unlike a 1911, the S&W is designed to be carried safety-off if the user so chooses.

Exactly.

Storm
August 25, 2010, 08:23 PM
I own and have owned, and have shot and shoot, for many years, many Smith 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Gen semi autios. While I consider all of them to be excellent to outstanding handguns, for me the 3913 stands out as the apex of the lot. Occasionally some guns for some brands stand out, but the 3913 shines. It is in many ways superb.

ABTOMAT
August 25, 2010, 08:30 PM
I'd love to find a deal on a 3913/14 or 908. Ideal little carry gun.

lloveless
August 26, 2010, 05:14 AM
I had a 439. It was great gun, accurate to 75 yds. When it became a safe queen(got a 4506) I traded it for a kel-tec p-32, which I used to carry daily.(I didn't bring it with me to Alaska).
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Topspeed
August 27, 2010, 11:41 AM
I have no negative feedback in regard to the 3913. I have been carrying one for over a year as my CCW. It has been 100% reliable 100% of the time.

AJChenMPH
September 14, 2010, 04:15 PM
Bump to the top...just added a 3913 to my collection.

Re: grips -- anyone have a how-to on how to change the grips? I suspect it's very easy and intuitive, but if there's something out there, I'd like to look it over before I screw something up (which I'm prone to do :o ). Thanks in advance...

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