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DilboFlaggins
June 6, 2010, 09:08 PM
I'm new so sorry if this is in the wrong place.

I have a Ruger 1022 and a Ruger mk 1 that I am keeping stored in an old bushmaster case. The case is hard plastic lined with foam.

My question is: For long term storage will the foam retain moisture and cause my guns to rust?

I live in a small apartment and this is the most convenient way to store the guns and all their accessories, i.e. ammo, cleaning supplies, and scopes, as it is compact and can be locked. Though I can find another form of storage if need be.

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jnyork
June 6, 2010, 09:15 PM
You need to do something else. Storing guns in a foamlined case is a sure fire receipe for diasaster, especially in humid climates, the foam collects moisture, you can guess the rest. I have seen several guns completely ruined from this.

DilboFlaggins
June 6, 2010, 09:20 PM
Thanks, ill move them as soon as i get home!

Here's another noob question: I hear its bad to dry-fire .22's, since there is no way to decock either of my guns should i just leave them cocked and empty?


Also will the springs wear out if i leave the magazines loaded for a long time?

Tallinar
June 6, 2010, 09:28 PM
It's generally considered unwise to regularly dry-fire a rimfire gun. The reason for this is that the firing pin in a rimfire weapon is (obviously) designed to contact the rim of the cartridge case, which is supported by the rear of the chamber. If there's no cartridge in there, then the firing pin is smacking against the steel at the edge of the chamber directly. This is hard on the parts in the firing pin mechanism.

As for leaving the gun cocked and empty? Personally, I wouldn't. In a case like that, I'd dry fire it to get the firing mechanism to rest. Ideally, you wouldn't want to store a gun with the internal springs under tension. The dry firing you have to worry about is the "basement practice" dry firing. We all love to do it, but it's rough on many guns.

As for the mag springs, yes, springs do naturally wear out over time if left under constant stress. How much time? Really depends on the spring and the amount of stress. If your reason for leaving the magazine charged is for home defense, you might consider rotating the magazines out every so often. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it though, to be honest.

I'm a young shooter by most standards, and haven't owned any of my guns long enough to really run them through the test of time, but I have yet to have a magazine spring fail on me (whether it be automatic handgun magazine, or lever rifle/shotgun tube mag spring).

killchain
June 6, 2010, 09:33 PM
If you're going to keep them in a foam case for a long time, I highly suggest coating them with a lube that resists moisture. I recommend CLP... brand name is "Break Free." And once a month I'd take them out, wipe them down, and coat them again. By doing that, I was able to keep a Beretta 92FS in perfect shape in a storage unit in northern NY for 18 months without checking it, and it has absolutely no problems... only thing that rusted were the screws that held the hand grips. And that's because I didn't think to coat them.

Make sure to lube the bores too! When I put a weapon away for storage, I leave the bore DRIPPING with CLP. I do this because I have a safe that is NOT water proof, or climate controlled, and is in the corner of my bedroom. The climate of the room does affect my weapons, so I keep them as protected as possible. Like you, I'm in an apartment building so it's really my only option.

As far as whether they are cocked... I do dry fire my 10/22 to decock it. I know some guys will tell me that's bad, and it is, but I don't believe I do it enough to damage the rifle. If it ever breaks... well... it's really just a plinker, if something dangerous happened I wouldn't grab the 10/22 anyway.

EDIT: generally, if I'm not using the weapon, it's soaked in CLP. If I am using it, it's wiped off... but the guts are still soaked in CLP. Trust me, just buy some CLP (Break Free) :)

Tallinar
June 6, 2010, 09:37 PM
+1 on the CLP. Can't go wrong with the stuff.

orionengnr
June 6, 2010, 09:40 PM
If I didn't have a safe (which I do) I would probably lube the weapon, put it in a zip-lock bag and then put it in the case...which is pretty much what some manufacturers do.

As far as the spring issue goes--do a search. Consensus seems to be that springs don't wear out from being (remaining) compressed, but wear from cycling. As such, you do more harm loading/unloading (or loading and firing) the magazine than you do by leaving it fully loaded.

DilboFlaggins
June 6, 2010, 10:17 PM
Thanks for the info guys.

I dont have money for oil just yet, but as soon as I get some I will coat it all in oil and place them in bags in the case. I'll look into the magazine issue and report back, unless someone knows for sure here.

I'm certainly not reliant on my two .22's for home defense. This old chair leg I have will do just fine.

Tallinar
June 6, 2010, 10:23 PM
Breakfree CLP is like $2.00 a can at Walmart. Skip buying a soda at the vending machine tomorrow and buy gun oil instead. :)

bhk
June 6, 2010, 10:46 PM
Leaving springs compressed does not wear them out, modern research shows. It is the constant compression and release that wears them out. Nothing wrong with leaving your firing spring compressed or your magazines loaded. It actually is probably harder on a spring to release it (because it must be recompressed for use). Magazines loaded for decades seem to work just fine.

Shadow 7D
June 6, 2010, 11:14 PM
Another bad is that the foam can be broken down by some gun oils leaving a sticky mess coating you firearm.

kingpin008
June 6, 2010, 11:26 PM
As for the mag springs, yes, springs do naturally wear out over time if left under constant stress.

As has been stated, this is false. Cycling spring is what wears them.

DilboFlaggins
June 6, 2010, 11:38 PM
Another bad is that the foam can be broken down by some gun oils leaving a sticky mess coating you firearm.
eew!!

that's definitely a plus for putting them in bags first.

Toryu
June 16, 2010, 01:59 PM
I'm in the same boat as DilboFlaggins. Storing a rifle in a foamlined case due to space constraints. The upside is that the rifle is new (newly delivered C&R that is) and I've only been doing it for a week or so, and the rifle is in a rust-prevention plastic bag within the case. I'm waiting for delivery of a silicon sock/sleeve for it, and some silica drying packets and will then probably leave it in the case with those additional things.

Unless I hear it's still a terrible idea, then I'll have to come up with something else...

Hatterasguy
June 16, 2010, 02:21 PM
The newer Ruger 10/22's are mostly plastic so I doubt you will hurt one.

Either way thats a poor way to store guns, get a small locking cabinet or something. You can buy them from any of the big box stores for well under $100.

brboyer
June 16, 2010, 02:27 PM
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