Uberti SAA 'Swing out Cylinder'


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Oyeboten
June 11, 2010, 05:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EzAUdCXdq4



Kind of fascinating!


Why bother retaining a Loading Gate and right hand Ejecting Rod though?


COLT could have done this in the late 1880s, when they introduced their first Swing out Cylinder on the 'New Army' was it?

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Schofield3
June 11, 2010, 05:52 PM
loves them single actions!

Oyeboten
June 11, 2010, 05:53 PM
I do too!


This would solve the conundrum for those who have wished to use Speed Loaders with them...too...

rcmodel
June 11, 2010, 05:56 PM
Wow!
Sort of old High-Standard Double-Nineish!!

Wonder why they didn't make it Double Action too.

Shees!

rc

Oyeboten
June 11, 2010, 05:59 PM
Lol...

If they would make them Double Action, one could 'Bob' the Hammer and not feel embarassed about it.

rcmodel
June 11, 2010, 06:01 PM
I'm thinking they could just go all the way and make them look like a Colt New Service!

rc

Oyeboten
June 11, 2010, 06:03 PM
But then the Cowboy Action crowd might frown...


I know!!


A 'New Service' which is Single Action only, and, with a right side Loading Gate, Plunger extractor, and no Swing out Cylinder.

Now THAT would be 'progress'...

Jim Watson
June 11, 2010, 07:00 PM
Fascinating.
Back in the 1920s there was an exhibition shooter who favored SAA handling but did not want to take the time reloading a gateloader while putting on a show. So he bought a S&W M&P barrel, cylinder, and yoke, and a SAA hammer and grip frame. He sent them off to a leading gunsmith of the era and had them built into a swing-out single action. Not a bad looking piece, without the superfluous gate and ejector rod housing of the Uberti. Stolen in transit and never seen again.

H. Bowen has made a reproduction of the Sedgley lift-out cylinder SAA, but that is way behind the swing-out design.

I bet the short action will catch on, too. That was a well known modification to the SAA for target shooting.

DWFan
June 11, 2010, 07:46 PM
The cylinder is an answer to a question that nobody is asking. Now the short action is a definite improvement. My grandfather owned a King's modified Colt and I remember the short hammer fall. As far as the extended hammer spur; that's an invitation to fanning...and quick destruction of the revolver.

CraigC
June 11, 2010, 07:51 PM
Blasphemy!!!

Kentucky-roughrider
June 11, 2010, 08:05 PM
I wanted that design for a self defence gun for horseback riding, a single action revolver is the safest gun for riding, with a round under the firing pin but reloading is so slow. That is what I had in mind only in my mind it was built on the Ruger Vaquero (large frame one) but that is a start. But that is a starting point.

CraigC
June 11, 2010, 08:09 PM
Spend enough time with a single action and there is no disadvantage. IMHO, without speedloaders it's faster to reload a single action than a double action so the quick ejection of the swingout cylinder is moot.

Kentucky-roughrider
June 11, 2010, 08:16 PM
maybe/maybe not but it is a good excuse to buy another revolver and I have been thinking about getting another large frame revolver in either 45 Colt or 45 ACP. This is another option to me.

oldfool
June 11, 2010, 08:30 PM
Wow!
Sort of old High-Standard Double-Nineish!!

Wonder why they didn't make it Double Action too.

Shees!

rc
careful, there rc
you might be "dating" yourself
not that many of us around that shoot them D-9s anymore

PS
I wouldn't call the DA trigger good enough on mine to bother shooting shooting DA, but it works
sure makes them Ruger Single-Six guys look envious whilst reloading though
(and easily holds it own in SA mode)

Deanimator
June 13, 2010, 08:31 PM
There were a few late 19th century revolvers which used a similar system. One or two of them are in the first edition of the A.B. Zhuk book of line drawings of handguns.

Oyeboten
June 13, 2010, 09:50 PM
Might even be a Colt made prototype in existence...


Given the Colt Swing-Out Cylinder was introduced in the latter 1880s on their mid size Frame .38, I am sure some thought was given to converting their SAA Model design to have that option, if probably sans it's usual Loading gate and SAA type Ejector.

oldgoat46
June 13, 2010, 11:27 PM
You want fast reloading in a single action and still be period correct get a Schofield.

sonier
June 13, 2010, 11:53 PM
I deffffinately want one of those now

Weevil
June 14, 2010, 12:24 AM
Interesting!

BCRider
June 14, 2010, 05:31 AM
Spend enough time with a single action and there is no disadvantage. IMHO, without speedloaders it's faster to reload a single action than a double action so the quick ejection of the swingout cylinder is moot.

While I'm really enjoying my SAA style Piettas I'm afraid that they will never be as quick to reload as my swing out cylinder DA S&W's. But in addition to the all at once evection of the brass I've also masted picking up my rounds two at a time and loading them. So one action to clear the cylinder and only 3 actions to reload vs 12 actions to eject and reload an SAA with all six. Nope, I'm afraid that it's not ever going to be as fast.

bannockburn
June 14, 2010, 07:06 AM
Very neat and practical too. I would buy one if they were available.

ethiopian-gunna
December 15, 2010, 04:57 AM
has anyone ever thought about a SAA with the loading gate on the left side of the gun?
would it be an advantage for right handed shooters?

ArchAngelCD
December 15, 2010, 05:03 AM
At least this resurrected thread is only 6 months old... :scrutiny:

Oyeboten
December 15, 2010, 06:54 AM
My how Time flies!

cane
December 15, 2010, 10:19 AM
has anyone ever thought about a SAA with the loading gate on the left side of the gun?
would it be an advantage for right handed shooters

Yup, Bill Grover's SA Improved No. 5", made by Texas Longhorn Arms in the 90s. The business is closed and Grover died, but you can still find them on the various gun auction sites. They usually run $2500 and up.

Jim Watson
December 15, 2010, 10:29 AM
has anyone ever thought about a SAA with the loading gate on the left side of the gun?
would it be an advantage for right handed shooters?

Yes and no, respectively.
Bill Grover of Texas Longhorn Arms built a whole product line of "right handed" SAAs.
There are many articles and threads discussing the liklihood of Sam Colt being lefthanded or on the cavalry technique of pistol in left hand, saber in right.
But when I do a tedious chore like loading a revolver, I want the big piece, the gun, in my left hand, and the little pieces, the cartridges (or caps in Sam Colt's day) in my right hand. That gets the gun loaded with less stuff dropped even though it means changing hands to shoot.

InkEd
December 15, 2010, 12:51 PM
I think it's geared to the lazy cowboy shooter. They can use it like a regular SAA but after they do their run it can be loaded/unloaded easier like a modern revolver.

It would also be good for a woods gun depending on the caliber or a SD gun for those still inclined to use a SA revolver. It's a niche market for sure though.

It's the perfect pistol to go with the Stoeger Tactical Coach Gun. LOL

CraigC
December 15, 2010, 01:11 PM
Nope, I'm afraid that it's not ever going to be as fast.
Nonsense. You can still only load them one at a time so having all six chambers displayed before you only lends the perception that you can load a DA faster. With a DA, you have to deliberately insert each cartridge into the chamber. With a SA, all you have to do is just drop them into the loading port and they find their way home. In actual practice, there is very little difference between the two. The only significant difference is that most shooters don't actually try to build speed with single actions any more. Thus the perception that they're slow.

1KPerDay
December 15, 2010, 01:42 PM
without speedloaders it's faster to reload a single action than a double action

Really....? Kindly explain.

EDIT: you did in the post above this one.


I still would like to see it.

thunder173
December 15, 2010, 01:50 PM
I don't know as it'd be any faster or not,..but that is just sharper thana two pronged billy goat. Can a single round be ejected &l oaded from the gate on the right side as well?

BCRider
December 15, 2010, 03:19 PM
has anyone ever thought about a SAA with the loading gate on the left side of the gun?
would it be an advantage for right handed shooters?

The loading gates on the left would actually be used more by left handed shooters. As already mentioned you want your strong hand doing the task that requires the most manual dexterity, this applies to swing out cylinders as well. You swing out and hold the gun with the left hand while letting go of the grips with the right hand. The right hand either jams the ejector to clear the cylinder or the left hand thumb does that while the right goes for the speedloader, ammo strip or loose rounds. This way the strong hand is doing the job that needs the most dexterity. Same with clearing and loading a SAA, the right hand runs the ejector while the left holds the gun and indexes the cylinder. Once all the spots are clear the strong hand does the fumbling with the ammo.

So really southpaws need SAA's with the loading gate on the left side and DA hand ejector guns that swing out to the right instead of to the left.

Red Cent
December 15, 2010, 06:11 PM
http://www.ocyoung.com/Merwin.htm

There has been talk of a "new" Merwin Hulbert being produced. In my last Blue Press, the last page advertises the new revolver. I would prefer an Omi-Potent or a Merwin Hulbert.The swing out single action seems (to me) like a fake.

goon
December 15, 2010, 06:34 PM
Texas Longhorn Arms used to make SAA clones with the loading gate on the left hand side.

InkEd
December 15, 2010, 07:14 PM
Perhaps loading is about the same but there is no contest when it comes to unloading the empty cartridges. The swing out cylinder wins it.

goodtime
December 16, 2010, 02:54 AM
I gotta side with BCRider on the reloading debate; he broke down his assertion to bare elements, and it's hard to argue against him -- to paraphrase: he is able to load the rounds two at a time, so that's three actions to load, plus only one prior action to clear the empties, so that equals four actions to clear and reload a DA versus 12 actions to clear and load a single action.

Besides, speed loaders do exist, and with them, there is no contest.

While its fun to debate the merits of each, I think the speed of reloading is not of much importance with this piece though. It is just a very slick, unique revolver, and I think I must have one eventually.

BCRider
December 16, 2010, 05:51 AM
I wasn't actually aiming at the reloading debate. But since it was brought up I typically do reload my swing out hand ejector guns two rounds at a time as it's pretty easy to pick them out of the ammo trays that way.

When I'm shooting my .22cal nine shot revolvers with the swing out cylinders I've often been able to pick up THREE rounds and load them all at once.

It all goes pretty slick as long as I don't fumble too badly.

snooperman
December 16, 2010, 10:24 AM
knows anything about this swing-out cylinder single action revolver. I also tried AWA Nurnberg 2010 also with no results. Hmmm, was this at the SHOT-SHOW?

CraigC
December 16, 2010, 12:36 PM
There is no contest when it comes to unloading. That is not in question, although there is not as much difference as some would think. There is no contest when it comes to using speedloaders. That is also not in question. However, like I said before, cartridges must be deliberately held between the fingers and inserted into the chambers of a DA. Even if done two at a time, there is very little difference between loading the two because when you're grabbing two, I'm grabbing five or six. I don't know about you guys but I'm not talking about combat. So my statement about speedloaders will be that they do not load themselves. I've spent a little time with S&W's, this ain't theory.

Red Cent
December 16, 2010, 12:47 PM
Dexterity. Other than having this, it would be close. Reload is a once in a while requirement in cowboy. Sometimes, all five. I punch out the spent cartridges and grab individual rounds from the right front of my gun belt. Being able to index the clylinder with the left hand while, at the same time, do the reloading with your right may require some to spit out the chewing gum.
'Course in cowboy, ya gotta come up shootin'. Thats when I do the Clint Eastwood spin.

CraigC
December 16, 2010, 01:29 PM
I'm a little different in that I'm right handed but actually load with my left. Probably because while I started with single actions, I first started trying to build speed and skill with S&W's and then came back to single actions. Maybe anyway......

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