.338 winchester magnum


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sprice
June 14, 2010, 01:40 AM
Please tell me about this cartridge, show me some pics, and share some experiences and oppinions of it please. I'm thinking I want one for a long range/big game hunting rifle.

Big game- Moose, elk, mule deer. Long range ~1300 (for paper).

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XxWINxX94
June 14, 2010, 02:08 AM
Well it's pretty big. Packs a darn hard punch compared to most things I've shot. Probably best used for bigger game, or maybe longrange stuff. Pretty pricey if you plan on using store-bought ammunition.

cottonmouth
June 14, 2010, 04:55 AM
I had a Browning A-Bolt Medalion in .338 and liked it. It is a big boy gun for sure, if you don't recoil beware! I killed a few deer with it and like my good friend said, "just pick out the part of the deer you don't want to eat and shoot it there". But if you want a long range thumper the .338 is a good'un even more if you can handload for it.

J.B.

Blue Line
June 14, 2010, 10:28 AM
I have a Ruger all weather and it kicks less than my old 700 in 30-06. I really like it. I think the 300 win mag may be more all around but still like my 338.

saturno_v
June 14, 2010, 11:05 AM
I love my weatherby Vanguard in 338 WM....very accurate but the recoil is sharp and you do not want to shoot more than a box of round at one time.

With match grade barrels (longer than 24") is a serious long range cartridge.

Look at this deer shot at 890 yards with a custom 28" barrel 338 WM rifle based on a Rem 700 action...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwIJOkFb4lg

The 338 WM is the less expensive "big boy" rifle you can buy out there, priced basically the same as any 30-06 or 300 magnum (~$400)....anything bigger than that you have to be prepared to shell out much more green....

conhntr
June 14, 2010, 01:49 PM
Why are the factory loads trending lighter ~225gr. Id rather shoot 200gr out of a .308 bore if I was using the 338 if want 250-275gr

DRYHUMOR
June 14, 2010, 05:58 PM
I've had one in bolt action and semi. The bolt was a M70. The semi was a Browning BAR, it was more forgiving than the bolt action if you shoot more than a few rounds.

I shot 50 or so rounds one day with it. Somewhere around 40 or so, it started to bother me. No way I'd do that with a bolt gun.

It does have good energy/velocity. But there is a trade off in cost and recoil.

Unless you reload, it's a pricey round to shoot. On the flipside, they are somewhat plentiful on the used market.

Some dealer tried to talk me back into one at the Funshow last weekend. Heck, there wasn't even any intrest in the 7mm Mag I carried there to sell.

cougar1717
June 14, 2010, 06:20 PM
OP - Have you ever been kicked by a mule?

Bolt action recoil is significant. The percussion from touching one off is significant too. If you do buy one, just realize that at some point (probably within the first couple boxes of cartridges) you will say to youself "I need to shoot this more for practice, but I really don't want to right now."

Offfhand
June 14, 2010, 06:35 PM
Writer Jim Carmichael killed big bears, cape buffalo and other big stuff with the .338 Win Mag, He must have liked it.

Maverick223
June 14, 2010, 07:06 PM
I am a somewhat of a recoil buff, but I don't care for it too much. While it is tolerable, it is sharp and uncomfortable. I very much prefer my .375H&H and even a .416Rigby to the .338WM.

What exactly will you be using it to hunt, and what do you consider long range?

:)

BADSBSNF81
June 14, 2010, 08:42 PM
I've had on in a Browning BAR for over 20 years. Recoil is more of a strong push than anything else. Mine has an affinity for 225g projos. If I do my part, it will ring gongs at 300m all day long.

NWCP
June 15, 2010, 04:59 AM
While definitely not an all day at the range type rifle, with the Pachmayr Decelerator installed the recoil is there, but not punishing enough to put you off from shooting a box of shells for practice once in a while. The original BAR butt pad could make the gun just plain painful to shoot after a few rounds. Another plus for the BAR is the semi auto action. It does absorb energy when firing that a bolt action rifle cheerfully passes on to your shoulder. For a large, or dangerous game rifle the .338 Win Mag should have a place in every hunter's gun safe. It's as large a round as I can comfortably shoot.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
June 15, 2010, 05:27 AM
I had a Winchester, free-floating barrel, glass-bedded receiver, Timney Trigger, brand new, glass-bedded it myself and floated the barrel.

From what I recall, I was using Nosler 210g Partition Bullets over 4350 powder, a nice accurate load that would place dime-size groups at 100 yards all day.

I saw this 25-pound woodchuck and blistered him from about 30 yards, hitting him lengthwise.

The energy literally tore him open from mouth to privates (stem to stern). When I went to retrieve him off the sugar house firewood pile, I picked him up and he was literally 5' long. :eek::barf:

There was no skinning needed of that animal, that's for SURE!:eek:

That was one nice gun I sold because I needed the money.
I never should have sold that gun - However, in my older age, I am learning!

SwampWolf
June 15, 2010, 01:17 PM
I like the .338 Winchester Magnum a lot. It shoots a larger (in terms of caliber) bullet at about the same trajectory as the .300 Winchester Magnum and, having shot both, I can't discern much difference in "preceived" recoil between the two, everything else (weight of the rifle, configuration of the stock, etc.) being equal.

kludge
June 15, 2010, 03:40 PM
For a long-range big-game rifle, the 7mm Rem Mag (.270WSM, 7mmWSM, etc.) will do 90% of what the .338 Win Mag will do without all the pounding. And it will shoot flatter too.

If you add teeth and claws, then the balance shifts toward the .338, but that's more of a close range proposition.

Uncle Mike
June 15, 2010, 06:15 PM
I'm thinking I want one for a long range/big game hunting rifle.

Again, we ask, "what is your definition of long range"?

With a 200y zero, the 338 Win Mag. pushing a 210g SP, the 338 Ultra Mag. with the 250g SP and the 30-06 Hornady Superformance with its 180g SST all come unarguably close to each other regarding trajectory out to 400y. Obviously the 338's will deliver more energy than the 30-06 will, so it becomes a question of, do you need all that expensive whoop azz?

The 340 Weatherby Mag. out preforms the above mentioned 338's. But all that oomph comes with a substantial increase in cost! To the tune of $80 a box of 20 rounds, give or take! Yikes!

If you indeed decide you need a 338, then, the Winchester loading would be my choice for a balance of power and cost. Again, the trajectories of most of the 338's, both long and short magnums, excluding the Lapua round, are within mere inches of each other out to 500y.

If you decide you don't need a train load of energy to anchor your quarry, then, one of the 30 caliber magnums would definitely do you well.

Maverick223
June 15, 2010, 07:08 PM
So you want to hunt moose with a rifle capable of an accurate shot up to 1300yds (on paper)? That is an unrealistic goal, unless you want to lug a 15lb+ .300WM/.338WM/.338LM on a moose hunt. Next question should be something to the effect of "I need two rifles for two totally different purposes...what are some recommendations for each?".

To answer the above, a .260Rem. could do 1300yds, but I believe that is stretching it thin. A 7mmRM or .300WM (longer bbl life at the expense of greater recoil) in a good target rifle (Desert Tac. SRS, Sako TRG, AIAW, GAP, et cetera are really good starts, but a decent Savage can get it done on a budget) will make a good LRPR. For hunting I would go with something much lighter (but fits me well), with a lighter contour barrel in a cartridge like .30-06 (with heavy bullets), .300WM, .338WM, or .375H&H. CRF (Winchester M-70 Safari?...Commercial Mauser?) would be my choice of action because a bull moose is a dangerous animal. Most importantly you need good glass for both (and I would want QR rings+BUIS on the hunting rifle).

:)

gunnie
June 15, 2010, 08:07 PM
..."Most importantly you need good glass for both"...

+1

and very different magnification glass also.

gunnie

saturno_v
June 16, 2010, 01:18 AM
The 340 Weatherby Mag. out preforms the above mentioned 338's. But all that oomph comes with a substantial increase in cost! To the tune of $80 a box of 20 rounds, give or take! Yikes!

If you indeed decide you need a 338, then, the Winchester loading would be my choice for a balance of power and cost. Again, the trajectories of most of the 338's, both long and short magnums, excluding the Lapua round, are within mere inches of each other out to 500y.



A little bit of confusion here....the 340 Wby Magnum and 338 Lapua are not that far in performance from a 338 WM (source Hodgdon Reload Data Center)....assuming same barrel length, the 338 LM is within 140-200 fps from the 338 WM (same bullet weight).

The 338 RUM has higher ballistic performance and the 338-378 Wby much more so (up to 400 fps).

The 338 Lapua is overrated and overexpensive for what it is...the 338-378 has cost aligned with its incredible performances.

Probably what really makes the 338 Lapua great is the platform more than the cartridge per se.

Then you have the exotic 338 like the Allen Magnum, Lazzeroni Titan, etc.. which are on another planet compared to the "regular" commercial 338 magnums.

However I agree with the previous posters that hunting big animals and punching paper at over 1000 yards are two very different activities requiring different hardware....that said, we have to specify the level of accuracy and consistency at that distance required by the OP.....after all there are many people regularly punching paper iron sights at over 1K with Sharps replicas firing BP 45-70 loads....does the OP wants just to fire at that distance for fun or for serious competition??

dougw47
June 16, 2010, 04:39 AM
I had one built on a 98 Mauser action, shot mostly paper and a couple of deer.

Laminated stock from Richards and a heavy bbl made the rifle more pleasant to shoot off the bench...with a good recoil pad.

wombat13
June 16, 2010, 09:37 AM
I like the .338 Winchester Magnum a lot. It shoots a larger (in terms of caliber) bullet at about the same trajectory as the .300 Winchester Magnum and, having shot both, I can't discern much difference in "preceived" recoil between the two, everything else (weight of the rifle, configuration of the stock, etc.) being equal.
+1. My FIL has a M77 in .338WM and if it was available left-handed, I would also. Instead, I have the M77 in .300WM. I don't notice much difference in recoil and if you handload there is little difference in cost. Factory ammo is a different story; .338WM is much more expensive.

IMHO, if you reload there is no question that the .338WM is the better all-around choice (but I wanted a left-handed rifle).

Brazos_Jack
June 16, 2010, 04:33 PM
A .338 for all NA game over 350lbs and a .270 for everything less. That is the perfect NA combo.

It would also do for all African plains game except Giraffe. Some would stretch it to Giraffe and even Cape Buffalo if legal. But I'm a conservative "use enough gun" kind of guy.

There is nothing you can stuff in a 7mm Mag case that will put it in the same class as the .338 on larger game like Brown Bear. Some might shoot large bears with a 7 mag. Bell shot elephants with a 7mm Mauser. I wouldn't try either.

gunnie
June 16, 2010, 08:20 PM
..."assuming same barrel length, the 338 LM is within 140-200 fps from the 338 WM (same bullet weight)."...

unless you are talking 300gr bullets. in my mind, by far the best offering in 338L.

below from:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_11_46/ai_65574867/

..."With due credit to Winchester, early factory ammunition was loaded very close to advertised velocities from the 25" original Model 70 Alaskan. Winchester's loadings consisted of a 200 gr. Power Point at 3,000 fps, a 250 gr. Silvertip at 2,700 fps, and a 300 gr. Power Point at 2,450 fps. What's more, the ammunition shot with impressive accuracy The average Model 70 Alaskan .338 turned out to be a real tack driver."....


below from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Lapua_Magnum

9.44 g (300.0 gr) Lapua Scenar GB528 VLD 837 m/s (2,750 ft/s) 6,810 J (5,020 ft·lbf)

above from an accuracy international, a 26" bbl. the extra inch won't account for the increased MV numbers.

gunnie

saturno_v
June 16, 2010, 08:31 PM
..."assuming same barrel length, the 338 LM is within 140-200 fps from the 338 WM (same bullet weight)."...

unless you are talking 300gr bullets. in my mind, by far the best offering in 338L.

below from:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...6/ai_65574867/

..."With due credit to Winchester, early factory ammunition was loaded very close to advertised velocities from the 25" original Model 70 Alaskan. Winchester's loadings consisted of a 200 gr. Power Point at 3,000 fps, a 250 gr. Silvertip at 2,700 fps, and a 300 gr. Power Point at 2,450 fps. What's more, the ammunition shot with impressive accuracy The average Model 70 Alaskan .338 turned out to be a real tack driver."....


below from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Lapua_Magnum

9.44 g (300.0 gr) Lapua Scenar GB528 VLD 837 m/s (2,750 ft/s) 6,810 J (5,020 ft·lbf)

above from an accuracy international, a 26" bbl. the extra inch won't account for the increased MV numbers.



I got 2500-2550 fps out of my Vanguard 24" barrel with a 300 gr. Sierra Matchking (load within specs, no overpressure)

Hodgdon best load data for the 300 gr. SMK out of a 338 Lapua (24" barrel) is 2654 fps (2452 advertised for the 338 WM out of a 24" pipe, same bullet)

Vihtavuori data advertises 2479 fps with the 338 WM out of a 24" barrel and 2710 fps with the 338 LM out of a 27" pipe (both 300 gr. SMK bullets).

The 338 RUM and 338-378 are superior ballistically.

An extra inch of barrel length in that power class can be worth up to a good 25-30 fps of difference.

usmc1371
June 17, 2010, 12:54 AM
My little bro has an M77 338wm and has taken more than a few cow elk and some mule deer with it, it puts a mean hurtin on animals. I don't think it kicks any worse than my all weather m77 300wm. He now uses a 338-378 and its a whole new level of destruction and the recoil with Out the brake is what I consider un-shootable, I tried it twice and won't ever do it again. With the brake its like a 270 IMHO. I think the 338 wm is an ideal elk gun except for one thing. The elk I hunt live in steep country and I like a light ish weight rifle to pack up hill. I Don't want anything to do with a light weight 338wm.

blackops
June 17, 2010, 03:26 AM
I wouldn't call sitting on a bench and shooting 890yds hunting at all, I'll just say that.

If you want to go with a 338 it should be a Lapua not a winmag. There is a major difference in ballistics and accuracy especially after 700-800yds.

Then again it's your money. Who cares what anyone says. Get a solid rifle, probably put a brake on if you want to go big dog status, reload, and it will most likely end up more accurate than you are.

MachIVshooter
June 17, 2010, 08:52 AM
Long range ~1300 (for paper).

Are you talking feet, or yards? 1,300 yards is 3/4 of a mile. You'll find it nearly impossible to realize any sort of accuracy at that range with a sporting rifle and hunting ammo.

On the other end, if you're actually gonna hunt with it, you're not gonna want a rifle capable of delivering such long range accuracy. It'll be heavy. A rifle that weighs more than 9 pounds becomes burdensome to carry all day.

Next question should be something to the effect of "I need two rifles for two totally different purposes...what are some recommendations for each?".

That pretty much says it all.

gunnie
June 17, 2010, 03:28 PM
..."I got 2500-2550 fps out of my Vanguard 24" barrel with a 300 gr. Sierra Matchking (load within specs, no overpressure)"...

below from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Winchester_Magnum

275 gr (17.8 g) SP 2,489 ft/s--Test barrel length: 24--Source: Accurate Powder

please note that this is published ballistics for >275 gr< bullets, not 300. your loading beats this by up to 60fps with a bullet about 8% heavier. how exactly was it that you determined there was "no overpressure"?

..."Hodgdon best load data for the 300 gr. SMK out of a 338 Lapua (24" barrel) is 2654 fps (2452 advertised for the 338 WM out of a 24" pipe, same bullet)"...

yes, the large case capacity of the 338L requires extra bbl to be of much advantage over other 338 offerings. check the bbl lengths in this caliber on designated/designed long range rifles. same especially true for the 300 gr bullets. this lends credibility to MachIV's statement about it not being a very practical hunting platform. from a max loaded 300 grainer, i would expect the muzzle blast of doom, and a recoil like thor's hammer from a 24" bbl without out a GOOD muzzle break.

and your observation, also:

..."However I agree with the previous posters that hunting big animals and punching paper at over 1000 yards are two very different activities requiring different hardware"...

..."The 338 RUM and 338-378 are superior ballistically."...

with what weight bullet, and from what length bbl?

gunnie

saturno_v
June 17, 2010, 03:54 PM
Gunnie


I got over 2500 fps with a 300 gr. SMK (24" Weatherby Vanguard) with a published Vihtavuori load (71.9 gr. of N560, 2479 fps claimed) so within pressure specs.

There is one Double Tap load (300 gr. Woodleigh), SAAMI compliant, out of a 24" Ruger which claim 2500 fps (and people that tried confirm the numbers).

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_40&products_id=179

As a wild guess, the 300 gr. round nosed Woodleigh has even greater bearing surface than the 300 SMK.

The 338 RUM and 338-378 outperform the Lapua in any bullet weight in a 26" pipe (published data).

I'm not saying that the 338 Lapua is equivalent to a 338 WM of course but, based solely on the cartridge, the difference in performance does not justify the cost, especially when you have available the 338 RUM (which outperform the Lapua and it cost less) and the 338-378.

If we are talking about some excellent specific rifles for long range work that happen to be chambered in 338 Lapua then it's another matter, beside the cartridge.

By the way, with a 275 gr. bullet, published data from Vihtavuori claim 2576 fps (Speer SP over 77.3 gr. of N165) and from Hodgdon 2564 fps (Speer SP over 76 gr. of H1000)

gunnie
June 18, 2010, 09:45 AM
do you have a muz-break on that beast? can't imagine shooting it without. and then there is the cheeks slammed up against the ear lobes to deal with when you do. what does your vanguard weigh? are you related to the governor of kalyfornia?

i stand corrected about the Wby 338-378 cartridge, it WILL out perform the 338L in velocity. but at the cost of:

powder consumption-137gr case capacity wby VS 114 lpa
bbl life-63,817 PSI wby VS 60,916 lpa
factory published MV i find for 250 gr- 3060fps/28" bbl wby VS 3000fps/26" bbl lpa

above from wiki-world, no 300gr velocities listed there for 338-378. however, the weatherby greater case capacity would favor the heavier bullet.

i believe you when you say "xxxx" loads faster ammo. i recall the old yellow box gen 1 speer "lawman" ammo, 200gr HP for 45ACP. they WERE hot loads, circa 1970's pre +P era. where the term "flying ashtrays" originated. the primers were almost flat out to the very edge on spent cases. nearly square corners, and saami spec stuff. wouldn't do that to my 1911s anymore.

a friend and i bought some 300gr x 1400fps 44 mag ammo when i lived in alaska, same said saami spec on the box. when he couldn't get the brass out of his 4" 629 without hammering some on the extractor rod with a fallen 2' dia tree branch, i didn't shoot ANY out of my 4" 29.

then there is the CIP proof loads. european standard of 25% over pressure loaded ammo before the stamp goes on. sure, the weapon can take it, but no interest in loads like that for my firearms. don't wanna do an elmer kieth impersonation with my handgun or body.

did a search, and found nearly the same 338 discussion from the past. the upshot was that 338 RUM and 338L were near twins in case capacity/velocity, from someone who has studied long range shooting in depth. he's not selling ammunition either. he also felt that 338RUM brass [OEM, remington] was less than ideal.

one of the posters who has already shot the first bbl out of his 338-378 said they really shine with VERY long bbls on them, and reloading with extremely slow powders (read: 50 BMG class). equaling RUM and lapua 250gr muzvels with 300gr bullets!!!

above, from:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=5367061

as for ammo costs, i bought into an ample supply of blackhills 'coupla years back-before the gold rush, when 338L was $60 or so per box, and won't be needing brass or ammo for a long time. blackhills ammo is lapua brass, reported to be the truest 338L offering. this is a real plus for accuracy. i have saved plenty of their ammo for SHTF, preferring factory loads for reliability and storage characteristics.

but now the brass prices run like this:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0004244214911a&type=product&cmCat=froogle&cm_ven=data_feed&cm_cat=froogle&cm_pla=1230112&cm_ite=0004244214911a

OEM Weatherby 338-378 brass 100 ea, $309

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0044354216332a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntt=338+lapua+brass&Ntk=Product_liberal&sort=all&Go.y=10&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form1&Go.x=15

OEM 338 Lapua brass 100 ea, $250

from same web site, weatherby 338-378 loaded ammo was $122, 20 ea. blackhills 338L was $125, 20 ea. no doubt in my mind which mfgr's ammo would be more accurate in most rifles. and the price difference wouldn't cover the one box shipping cost.

i know cabela's is not the best prices one can find, only went there for a fair price comparison, as they have both flavors. also, you can get both in norma brass cheaper, but most advise against same. would like to see federal make GMM in 338L, maybe loaded ammo prices would get back to being near real world values!!

so while the RUM is cheaper ($79 20 ea @ cabela's), and unlike my previous ideas, a velocity equal, gotta stay with the most accurate brass for long range use. while my ideas on 338-378 velocity were wrong as you stated, i see very little extra velocity for the money and bore burning chamber pressures. neither come from the factory with 300gr SMK or lapua scenar yet. or any 300gr, for that matter.

since velocity is useless without hitting the target, it is worth noting that the 338-378 was developed in 1963 by keith and thompson, and wasn't considered when the navy developed the 338L in 1989. as you pointed out, it is capable of exceeding their targeted 3000fps with a 250gr bullet. it had been for more than a quarter century it seems. i suspect the powder requirements, pressures and accuracy traits were the reason it was not used.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/05/brit-sniper-makes-double-kill-at-1-54-miles-with-338-lapua-mag/

be that as it may, thanks for the info and the correction of my now discarded and misinformed notions.

gunnie

saturno_v
June 18, 2010, 10:59 AM
do you have a muz-break on that beast? can't imagine shooting it without. and then there is the cheeks slammed up against the ear lobes to deal with when you do. what does your vanguard weigh? are you related to the governor of kalyfornia?



No muzzle break on my Vanguard...I do not shoot it very often ;):D

My Vanguard is a standard synthetic + scope and bipod...(standard weight is 7 1/4 lbs)

No relationship with anyone in Cali....

The only official published data I can find for both the 338 LM and the 338-378 are from VihtaVuori and Hodgdon....the fastest 250 gr. load for the 338 LM comes from VV at 3005 fps out of a 27" pipe.....for the 338-378 is 3072 fps out of a 26" barrel from Hodgdon

Here you can find the load data for both cartridges in all bullet weight range, including the 300 gr.

Hodgdon

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

Vihtavuori

http://www.lapua.com/fileadmin/user_upload/esitteet/VihtavuoriReloadingGuideEdition8.pdf

believe you when you say "xxxx" loads faster ammo. i recall the old yellow box gen 1 speer "lawman" ammo, 200gr HP for 45ACP. they WERE hot loads, circa 1970's pre +P era. where the term "flying ashtrays" originated. the primers were almost flat out to the very edge on spent cases. nearly square corners, and saami spec stuff. wouldn't do that to my 1911s anymore.


I'm confident that Double Tap loads its ammo at specs, I did ask their technician more than once....all SAAMI compliant.

This is my Vanguard......I was very termpted about getting a 338-378 Wby just for the sake of owning it....then I considered the fact that there is no 1000 yards range in my area, the cost of rifle and the cost of ammo....my Vanguard satifsy completely my big boomer desire.....:D

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1p_L3DDuLmyqQVXSlTZlAtSBLHVUjbCZWwYhUz_ksQw2dyMm8D6nadnfBWZ_f8YPzoTCSLWMaO0lAikVkCW1PtXQ/Weatherby%20Vanguard%20338%20Win%20Mag%20(3).jpg?psid=1

usmc1371
June 18, 2010, 12:02 PM
I will let you all crunch the numbers but I will tell you from shooting both 338wm (ruger all weather) and 338-378wby (accumark) off the bench right next to each other there is a huge differnce. First it costs almost 4 times as much to shoot the wby, Boom=5 bucks with factory ammo. The brake is a life saver on the wby but no one will shoot next to you atleast not more than once. Imho the 338 wm ain't all that bad with out a brake. In our testing the big wby really starts to shine past 400 yards and at 700 yds it's still easy to make hits, swaroviski scope is a big help here.
I promis I am not just being a sissy when I say the 338-378 accumark needs the brake to be shootable. None of my friends will even try it, they saw me try it and all say no fing way. I started over with the .204 to after that just to keep from flinching.

W.E.G.
June 18, 2010, 01:13 PM
I'm amused by shooters who ask me if I'd "like to try" whatever recoil monster they have dragged out to the range.

Not like I'm ever going to be shooting their rifle in the field, and I already know what it feels like to be hit on the collarbone with a tire iron. What, do I look like I need a refresher or something?

No, you just go on beating yourself up.

Snake
June 18, 2010, 03:36 PM
I think the .338 win mag is awsome. its defenately cheaper and only about 25% loss power for same bullet weights. but again,the lapua is generally tested with 26-27" barrels and the win mag is usually at 24" pipes.

Im ditching the .375rum and going .338rum. I love my win mag but will be building a custom tactical .338 rum for serious distance. I've loaded the win mag to 2700fps with 250gr matchkings and its got little drop at 400yrds. great flat shooting big bore for the money.

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