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Jonah71
June 17, 2010, 01:14 PM
Yesterday I took my Kahr .40 out for another 50 round test/practice. I am so inaccurate with it I'm uncomfortable carrying it. I took my old mod. 14 with me just for fun. After 50 rounds with the Kahr I decided to let it cool off awhile and enjoy the S&W. The Kahr rounds were all over the place. With the revolver I had very tight and centered groups. My friend said, "Why are you not using this for your full time carry?" I know it's totally impractical for CCW, but it's such a breeze to shoot and get on target, maybe I should consider his suggestion. I do carry it in a shoulder rig in the winter with no problems. Any ideas,or suggestions on possible conceal carry with the 4" Mod. 14 would be appreciated. Or should I just forget it and stick with one of my smaller autoloads? I do OC occasionally but don't really like to do that.

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Tallinar
June 17, 2010, 01:19 PM
Nothing impractical about carrying the gun you're proficient with. You'll just have to dress around the gun. Maybe look at a Simply Rugged Sourdough Pancake holster worn crossdraw?

www.simplyrugged.com

wlewisiii
June 17, 2010, 01:35 PM
Couple of options out there. I have a 4" M64 that I carry in a Maxpedition EDC Jumbo bag with two speed loaders. It's also my camera bag ;) as Wisconsin doesn't allow CC.

An inside the pants pancake is possibly the best bet. I'd prefer it back slightly behind my hip, butt forward. The length of the barrel can actually help with concealment as with some holsters it will press the butt of the revolver against your back.

Crossdraw works well, too, and can be easier to draw when seated, espcially in a car.

Try a few things out - you'll be better off with that M14 if it ever really is needed.

William

Sam1911
June 17, 2010, 01:43 PM
You really should take a look at this post:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6476988&postcount=30

IWB can make carrying a larger revolver (larger than yours, in fact!) no big deal.

Shytheed Dumas
June 17, 2010, 02:29 PM
Trade your Kahr .40 for a PM9. Mine's a breeze to shoot and very accurate, but I have no doubt that a 40 cal the size of most Kahrs is brutal and very hard to shoot consistently.

Mudinyeri
June 17, 2010, 03:33 PM
How many rounds have you put through the Kahr in total? Which model is it? I have a CW40 for concealed carry and the long (but smooth) trigger pull took some getting used to. My previous semi-auto handguns had all had relatively short trigger pulls.

You're talking night and day difference between your S&W revolver and the Kahr semi-auto.

Try this dry-fire drill. Place a penny on the barrel of your Kahr immediately behind the front sight. Dry-fire the weapon. Did the penny move? Report back.

I have about 400 rounds through my CW40 and I can pretty consistently put rounds inside a 4" circle at 7-10 yards. I'm pretty comfortable with that for a concealed SD weapon.

Andrew Wyatt
June 17, 2010, 04:00 PM
take a class and then consider using another auto for you carry gun, like a G19 or 23.

harmon rabb
June 17, 2010, 04:58 PM
Lol. The Kahr is DA. You were shooting the revolver in SA (cocking it first). No wonder you shot better.

Mudinyeri
June 17, 2010, 05:30 PM
take a class and then consider using another auto for you carry gun, like a G19 or 23.

I'm unclear why you would recommend carrying (purchasing) another gun if we don't know how much time he has spent familiarizing himself with the Kahr. Conceivably, he would simply be transferring the same issue from one semi-auto to another.

VegasAR15
June 17, 2010, 05:35 PM
Maybe you should look into a more CCW friendly revolver if you are better with them.

Andrew Wyatt
June 17, 2010, 05:46 PM
I'm unclear why you would recommend carrying (purchasing) another gun if we don't know how much time he has spent familiarizing himself with the Kahr. Conceivably, he would simply be transferring the same issue from one semi-auto to another.

the problem isn't he's having isn't related to semi-autos, it's the fact that he has a flinch, and the trigger on the revolver is different enough from the kahr (which he has been shooting a lot) that the trigger break comes as a surprise.

A class or two will help with the flinch.


The equipment recommendation is because a mid-size gun is easier to shoot and run than a pocket gun.

Tuckerp229
June 18, 2010, 01:19 AM
I also recommend a bit more practice with the Kahr. Mine have all been way more accurate than I have a right to expect out of so short a barrel.

Nothing against revolvers, I alternate between my Kahr .40 and a SW MP340 so I appreciate what both designs bring to the table.

David E
June 18, 2010, 01:31 AM
The Kahr is DA. You were shooting the revolver in SA (cocking it first). No wonder you shot better.

Exactly my first thought. It seems that quite a few people that say how "good" they are with a revolver are always cocking it prior to each shot.

Mudinyeri
June 18, 2010, 09:55 AM
the problem isn't he's having isn't related to semi-autos, it's the fact that he has a flinch, and the trigger on the revolver is different enough from the kahr (which he has been shooting a lot) that the trigger break comes as a surprise.

A class or two will help with the flinch.


The equipment recommendation is because a mid-size gun is easier to shoot and run than a pocket gun.
I agree the problem most likely isn't related to semi-autos. It's probably related to his trigger finger, or his grip or something else about him. That's why I wouldn't recommend getting another gun until he can accurately shoot the one he has.

Atticum
June 18, 2010, 10:33 AM
I shot my friends PM9 last night.

I love that gun.

shootingthebreeze
June 18, 2010, 10:57 AM
Try the S&W 327 Night Guard 8 rounds; pricey, but nice.

I have always found my revolver totally reliable and accurate. I have a Rossi 38/357 2 1/2 barrel 6 shot stainless steel; have shot hundreds of rounds through it and it has performed always well plus it's extremely accurate.
Second, you don't have to worry about the spring getting weak in your magazine; keeping magazines loaded all the time weakens them-should rotate magazines.

jfh
June 18, 2010, 11:07 AM
for sam1911: heh. you are skinny, with no love handles.

Jim H.

Andrew Wyatt
June 18, 2010, 11:39 AM
I agree the problem most likely isn't related to semi-autos. It's probably related to his trigger finger, or his grip or something else about him. That's why I wouldn't recommend getting another gun until he can accurately shoot the one he has.
I said "take a class and then consider another gun."

Sam1911
June 18, 2010, 12:45 PM
for sam1911: heh. you are skinny, with no love handles.

Meh. I was skinny-er. That was a pants size smaller. It still works, though.

(I've never been really skinny ever. Even when I didn't weigh enough. Strange.)

RonBernert
June 18, 2010, 01:23 PM
FWIW, I have recently replaced a number of my autoloaders with revolvers. Maybe it's a "revolver phase" in my life, but the high-cap autoloaders are just heavier and don't sit in my hand as nicely.. I'm more comfortable with them, I think they're nicer to look at and the fact is I really don't NEED 16 rounds.. 5 is just fine with me.. and yes, most of my revolvers are DA.. And I have even started concealing my SA Ruger, too.... I guess I'm waiting my turn for a draw with good 'ol Clint Eastwood...(whistle heard in the background from Good, Bad and the Ugly)

RatDrall
June 18, 2010, 07:27 PM
What is impracical about a 4" K frame for a carry gun? It's been doing what it does for the last half a century and more, and will continue to do so.

I carried a 4" Model 65 for a few years in a Blade Tech IWB. It concealed much better than a Glock or other L shaped 2x4 due to the wheelgun having curves, which blend in with the human body better than straight angles. With a wider belt, it was comfortable enough to take a nap with.

Find a gun that you shoot well, then dress around it :)

Revolver Ocelot
June 18, 2010, 07:56 PM
I carry smaller guns when its more practical to do so, but I find soon as its a possibility I carry my gp100, its a big gun espeacially for someone my size but I shoot it better than anything else I own

Vonderek
June 18, 2010, 09:07 PM
I had a huge problem when I first got my Kahr. It was very disappointing for the same reason, especially after hearing so much about its great trigger. The problem of course was me and after several hundred dry fires and several hundred rounds I learned my way to how to pull the Kahr trigger. Now I am proficient with it and shoot the little gun just as accurately as a larger BHP or CZ75. Give the Kahr another chance...more time and some serious practise. Don't just send lead downrange. Dryfire slowly and learn what you are doing wrong and correct it. Kahrs are great guns.

orionengnr
June 18, 2010, 10:01 PM
I love my Kahr PM9 and P45 (it is in the Smart Carry on my waist as I type) but I also like my revolvers.

This holster:You really should take a look at this post:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost....8&postcount=30
really works. I have one for K-frames and am looking forward to getting one for N-frames, which I carry far more often.

RyanM
June 19, 2010, 10:05 AM
I'm going to also say practice more with the Kahr. My Kahr MK40 prints groups about half the size as my Glock 23. It's probably the most accurate handgun I've ever owned, despite being tiny and somewhat hard-kicking (of course, I've never owned any target grade guns or anything like that).

Jonah71
June 19, 2010, 11:03 AM
Thanks for the info and suggestions. I will keep up the much needed practice with the Kahr CW.40. The Mod. 14 is adjusted to an extremely light trigger pull in DA as well as SA. I'll be looking for an IWB pancake holster for it. Until I get one I'll just use the old Kimber BP Pro .45. I don't like carrying it because I am NOT skinny and it's very uncomfortable. A few of the holsters on the site Tollinar suggested look like they are just what I need for the S&W. Thanks again.

Rexster
June 19, 2010, 02:31 PM
A little late to comment, but yes, a 4" medium-frame revolver is very practical to conceal. I am still on the lookout for the "just right" 4" S&W Model 19 that would be a great sixgun to carry after I retire from policin'.

I toted an even larger N-frame, a Model 58, during much of the last half of the 1980's. It rode in my duty rig on the clock, and was concealed off the clock. During the 1990's, I did the same with a Ruger GP100 and then K-frames. More recently, I have toted a 4" Speed
Six concealed, on occasion, though I usually conceal my current duty pistol, which is a SIG P229.

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