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rugerman07
June 17, 2010, 04:11 PM
Has CCI discontinued making Stingers?

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Zack
June 17, 2010, 04:15 PM
I do not think so? I have alot of them have not bought in a few months. Maybe they just hard to find in you're area. I know I never can find them online.... only locally

chicharrones
June 18, 2010, 09:40 AM
Stingers are still at the stores near me.

Carne Frio
June 18, 2010, 11:13 AM
Looks like you can have them delivered to your door:

http://ammoseek.com/?gun=rimfire&cal=91&grains=0&mfg=2&keywords=stinger&sortby=cpr

Lakeshore
June 18, 2010, 01:43 PM
Loads of Stingers on the shelf at the local WallyMart yesterday, along with loads of other ammo as well.

BushyGuy
June 18, 2010, 01:48 PM
i love Stingers, they are way more accurate and shoot flatter at longer ranges . They also make a good self defense round coming out of a semi- auto rifle.

Tim the student
June 18, 2010, 02:20 PM
They also make a good self defense round coming out of a semi- auto rifle.

Um, I disagree. I think it is more precise to say that they may be better than other .22lr cartridges, but still a very poor choice for SD. Better than a stick though.

Rugerman07, I just saw some on the shelves at Scheels a few minutes ago.

mljdeckard
June 18, 2010, 02:22 PM
^^+1. EXACTLY. Better. Not good.

rugerman07
June 18, 2010, 05:01 PM
Kmart use to sell them here, but not anymore. Cabela's in St.Louis (Earth City, Mo.), doesn't have them either.

Rail Driver
June 18, 2010, 05:20 PM
I keep my S&W 22A-1 loaded with them just in case. I'm confident I can put enough of them in a soft area in a short enough time to at least provide an intruder with enough of a distraction for me to get to the .40 in the unlikely event I don't have it on my hip or within arms reach.

That said, a .22LR is definitely NOT a self defense round even in a derringer or snubbie except as a last resort, main sidearm out of ammo or unavailable the guy is on top of me kind of situation. It's a varmint hunting, target shooting, and training round.

I LOVE the round at the range though. With the 22A-1 I chase tennis balls around the berm at 75 meters, and in the Marlin model 60 it's golf balls at 80-100 meters. Standard Federal bulk pack my accuracy seems to fall off sooner.

dagger dog
June 18, 2010, 06:11 PM
I have found the accuracy of Stingers to be worse in some rifles, a Marlin 60 and a 10-22 Ruger,and a 1927 Remington Model 12 pump also they shot sub standard groupings with my Colt Woodsman, and Ruger MKII target pistols.

All the guns mentioned shot way better with standard velocity rounds such as CCI Green Tag, Remington Sub Sonic, Agulia Super Extra,except for my Savage MkII Bolt gun with heavy barrel, and it does shoot well with the Stingers.

They were absolutley awful out of my 2" Beretta Bobcat MDL 21-A, and would not penetrate a refrigerator door at 7 feet, but the solid Remington Golden would. So if you are going to use them for self defense you need to shoot them out of a hand gun with at least a 6" barrel to take the advantage of the extra velocity.

If you have a gun that shoots them well, I find that to be the exception and not the norm.

351 WINCHESTER
June 18, 2010, 07:05 PM
Stingers are in short supply in my neck of the woods. I've used them since their introduction and stayed with them for certain applications. They have gone thru some changes over the decades. They are expensive, but they go bang everytime.

chicharrones
June 18, 2010, 07:15 PM
I have found the accuracy of Stingers to be worse in some rifles, a Marlin 60 and a 10-22 Ruger,and a 1927 Remington Model 12 pump also they shot sub standard groupings with my Colt Woodsman, and Ruger MKII target pistols.

Stingers don't shoot as accurately as other .22 LR out of my Marlin 39 either. :(

Drail
June 18, 2010, 09:33 PM
A CCI Stinger destroyed the barrel of a Marlin Model 60 rifle I owned when a piece of jacketing from the nose of the bullet peeled off going up the feedramp and jammed the bullet in the barrel and bulged it. Last time I ever bought anything from CCI.

Rail Driver
June 18, 2010, 10:47 PM
A CCI Stinger destroyed the barrel of a Marlin Model 60 rifle I owned when a piece of jacketing from the nose of the bullet peeled off going up the feedramp and jammed the bullet in the barrel and bulged it. Last time I ever bought anything from CCI.

As per CCI's website and the label on the box, CCI Stingers are copper plated, not jacketed. I'm not saying that the microns thin plating of copper couldn't possibly jam the projectile in the barrel, but I suspect there was some other kind of fouling in the barrel that prevented the proper function of the firearm.

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=3&loadNo=0050

mljdeckard
June 18, 2010, 10:52 PM
I have not measured them for accuracy. I use them because the slide of my 1911 conversion kit needs extra oomph to cycle. But I have found that now that it is broken in, most ammo will do it for at least 200 rds before cleaning. But if I want to run it hard, I use stingers, velocitors, or mini-mags.

AcceptableUserName
June 19, 2010, 02:41 AM
They also make a good self defense round coming out of a semi- auto rifle.



wrong again. please learn to seperate myth and opinion from fact.

TeamPrecisionIT
June 19, 2010, 08:55 AM
Is it as good as other 'self-defense' calibers? No. Will you volunteer to be shot in the face with it? I hope not. Since it is the most reliable .22LR ammo out there that I have seen, it can make for a viable defense round when nothing else is available.

Damian

rugerman07
June 19, 2010, 10:49 PM
They also make a good self defense round coming out of a semi- auto rifle. I agree. At close quarter ranges I think any good 22 semi auto rifle using CCI Stingers would be an excellent home defense weapon.

Sunray
June 19, 2010, 11:18 PM
"...Has CCI discontinued..." Nope. There may be a local supply issue.
"...found the accuracy of Stingers to be worse in some rifles..." Perfectly normal. As with any .22 ammo, you have to try a box of each hyper-velocity brand to find the one that shoots best out of your rifle.
Remington Yellow Jackets have better penetration. When hyper-velocity ammo first came to Canada(early '80's), Stingers, Yellow Jackets and Expeditors, a few of the gun shop regulars tested 'em on an M1 Helmet. (Yep. Too much time on their hands.) Both the Stingers and Expeditors penetrated one side. The Yellow Jackets went right through both sides.
"...an excellent home defense weapon..." Better than nothing, but not an excellent choice.

Impureclient
June 19, 2010, 11:44 PM
I just picked up my first .22 today, a 10/22. It specifically said not to shoot CCI Stingers out of it. Do I want to disregard that statement from the owners manual?

edit: I just found my answer. The no Stinger rule applies to the Target models only.

slowr1der
June 20, 2010, 12:32 AM
I too wondered this as all the local shops were out, Walmart who usually has them was out, online was out. I just couldn't find them for a month or so. Then recently, I've seen them showing up in large supply at the local Walmarts. I still don't see them at gun shops yet though.

highorder
June 20, 2010, 12:24 PM
Plenty available at Dick's around Cincinnati.

KBintheSLC
June 20, 2010, 03:06 PM
I agree. At close quarter ranges I think any good 22 semi auto rifle using CCI Stingers would be an excellent home defense weapon.

After doing a bunch of penetration/expansion tests with this and other .22 ammo, I could not agree more. Inside of 50 meters, the paltry .22 would make quick work of most mortal men... especially from a rifle. As long as you don't have reliability problems, the cartridge can kill rather fast. Not to mention the ability to land multiple hits in rapid succession. The naysayers are ill informed IMO.

Here are some results...
http://brasstard.com/?p=247

...

Creek Rat
June 20, 2010, 10:14 PM
I have some experience with CCI Stingers and their effect on the human body.

About twenty five years back as a dumb high school kid I was out shooting with some friends in an old pit and the kid right next to me shot himself in the leg, just above the ankle. He had a borrowed .22 Winchester pump and had the barrel down, muzzle right up against his leg, as he slipped while lowering the hammer on a live round. BLAM!

Made a little hole as neat as you please about eight inches above the ankle and a small fragment exited on the other side just above the ankle joint. Barely any bleeding from either wound but the round thoroughly fragmented and shattered his Tibia.

Shock definitely showed the effects as there wasn't in obvious immediate pain; "I think I shot myself. Yeah, I definitely shot myself", but as we drove to the hospital he became more vocal about the situation.

Of course the cops showed up at the hospital fairly quickly after that to hear the story and they wanted to see the gun but they were very cool about the incident, I think much cooler that they would be if this had happened today.

The kid was in the hospital for several days while the patched has leg back together again and to this day he still carries a good amount of the little Stinger in his calf.


I can't commit on the effectiveness as a lethal defensive round but it did make him immediately immoble and was a crippling shot if there wasn't critical care available.

Zoidberg523
June 21, 2010, 07:22 AM
FWIW, while the 22 may not be ideal for self-defense, I would not want to come face to face with a Ruger 10/22 loaded with 25 Stingers... That's a pretty effective home defense weapon. Low recoil, relatively quiet, small flash - you could put a lot of rounds on target in very quick succession.

That's not to say that a good old 12 ga isn't a better option - but only for sheer stopping power in my opinion. In the dark, at night, having just awoken to a noise somewhere in the home, the sound of a shotgun firing is going to be deafening - especially ringing off of the confined walls of a home. It is also going to be bright, possibly ruining your night vision.

You could do a lot worse than a "hi-cap" 22LR.

That said, a semi-auto 22 magnum, loaded with CCI Maxi-Mags, would be better yet. :)

Tim the student
June 21, 2010, 09:33 AM
After doing a bunch of penetration/expansion tests with this and other .22 ammo, I could not agree more. Inside of 50 meters, the paltry .22 would make quick work of most mortal men... especially from a rifle. As long as you don't have reliability problems, the cartridge can kill rather fast. Not to mention the ability to land multiple hits in rapid succession. The naysayers are ill informed IMO.

8" of penetration in a wet phone book, and .365" will make me pass on calling it a good SD round. If you want to, then have at it.

Werewolf
June 21, 2010, 05:55 PM
Is it as good as other 'self-defense' calibers? No. Will you volunteer to be shot in the face with it? I hope not. Since it is the most reliable .22LR ammo out there that I have seen, it can make for a viable defense round when nothing else is available.

Damian
But WHY would nothing else be available?

Zoidberg523
June 22, 2010, 04:37 AM
But WHY would nothing else be available?

The issue is not, "Why would it happen?". For the truly prepared person, the question is what to do when it does happen. :)

Werewolf
June 22, 2010, 12:58 PM
Where's the darn delete function?

moxie
June 22, 2010, 01:33 PM
As per the above, a Stinger will penetrate a kevlar helmet, and will destroy a leg bone. Every time I look at the backside of a 2X4 shot with a Stinger, I remind myself how useless they (and many other .22s) are.
To answer the original queation, they do sell Stingers at he Wal-Marts here in Texas.

Rail Driver
June 22, 2010, 01:41 PM
*And any person that found himself with just a 22 in a self defense situation could not be called truly prepared *- well - unless they were a dead eye **** that could place one in the eye of an attacker, running towards you, dodging at 25 yards then a 22 would be just fine.

If a .22 is so useless for self defense, then I can count on you to serve as my moving practice target, right? I'll even purposefully aim at center mass as I was trained.

(disclaimer: This is IN NO WAY meant to be a threat of any kind)

No? Didn't think so. I'll keep my stingers in my .22 pistol and be confident that I can do enough damage with 10 rounds in the event that I'm forced to rely on the .22 for whatever reason.

Tim the student
June 22, 2010, 02:24 PM
If a .22 is so useless for self defense, then I can count on you to serve as my moving practice target, right? I'll even purposefully aim at center mass as I was trained.

So, then .22 shorts will suffice too? .22 CB? Maybe a really mean sling shot? A bow and arrow? Because I won't let you shoot at me with those either. I probably won't let you shoot at me with a pellet rifle either. But, since I don't want to get shot with those, that makes them suitable for SD, right?

This whole "Do you want to get shot with it? No? Ok, then it must be fine for SD" arguments are tiresome to say the least.

So then, who feels comfy with a good pellet pistol as a nightstand gun? :scrutiny:

Rail Driver
June 22, 2010, 02:35 PM
So, then .22 shorts will suffice too? .22 CB? Maybe a really mean sling shot? A bow and arrow? Because I won't let you shoot at me with those either. I probably won't let you shoot at me with a pellet rifle either. But, since I don't want to get shot with those, that makes them suitable for SD, right?

This whole "Do you want to get shot with it? No? Ok, then it must be fine for SD" arguments are tiresome to say the least.

So then, who feels comfy with a good pellet pistol as a nightstand gun?

You're taking that a bit out of context, I believe we were discussing CCI Stingers, not .22 shorts, not a sling shot, not a bow, not a pellet gun. CCI Stingers. Please try to remain at least SOMEWHAT on topic.

Tim the student
June 22, 2010, 03:11 PM
Edit - I was needlessly argumentative in this post, and apologize for it.

Orion8472
June 22, 2010, 03:22 PM
Allow me to talk a bit [briefly and generally] about the accuracy issue with Stingers and other high velocity .22lr rounds. This is the basic idea that I've read on rimfirecentral.com [forum for .22lr topics].

Because of the fairly light weight of the projectile, and the speed it travels, when you want something accurate with a .22lr bullet, it is best to stick to the slower rounds. Stingers can break the sound barrier, but quickly drop back below it, and in that transition, the sound barrier can affect the direction the bullet is traveling. Not a LOT, but enough to make it inherantly less accurate than target rounds.

I have found a round that does tend to be a bit more accurate and keep a decent speed. The CCI Velocitors. But those ARE hard to find [at least around here].

TeamPrecisionIT
June 22, 2010, 10:05 PM
*Going off topic momentarily to answer the question "Why?"*
It can be all someone can afford. It can be all someone can handle as far as recoil goes. It can be the only thing they practice with regularly. It can be all they want to have. That's just four quick reasons.
*End off topic transmission*

I just found some this weekend at the Wally World here and at the fun store. So I doubt they are discontinued. They are still showing up on CCI's website, as well: http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/varmint.aspx

Damian

rugerman07
June 23, 2010, 05:55 PM
Because of the fairly light weight of the projectile, and the speed it travels, when you want something accurate with a .22lr bullet, it is best to stick to the slower rounds. Stingers can break the sound barrier, but quickly drop back below it, and in that transition, the sound barrier can affect the direction the bullet is traveling. Not a LOT, but enough to make it inherantly less accurate than target rounds.
Again,.....I'm talking about close quarter ranges. Not 100 yards, not 50 yards, not even 25 yards, I'm talking about indoor home defense ranges measured in feet not yards. The CCI Stinger fired from a semi auto rifle at 50 to 75 feet will have a devastating effect on an intruder.

MovedWest
June 23, 2010, 06:40 PM
Again,.....I'm talking about close quarter ranges. Not 100 yards, not 50 yards, not even 25 yards, I'm talking about indoor home defense ranges measured in feet not yards. The CCI Stinger fired from a semi auto rifle at 50 to 75 feet will have a devastating effect on an intruder.

I have a pretty good sized house and I find it a stretch to be able to find more than 30 linear feet not obstructed with a wall. Unless you "curve" a bullet... :rolleyes:

I find that most of my confrontations would be expected to take place up to 20 feet or through walls. With the energy transfer from a Stinger at that distance, I'm confident that my wife can distract an intruder without going deaf long enough for me to reach my 12ga or 44mag as well has hearing protection. At that point I stop caring if a Stinger has stopping power. :evil:

And Wally World was out of Stingers for a while, but now they seem to be stocking up nicely in my area.

-MW

Hoppes Love Potion
June 23, 2010, 08:23 PM
What about a slower, heavier round like the Aguila SSS 60gr? Would that be good for close-quarters self-defense? Seems to pack a wallop out of my lever-action Henry.

Deltaboy
June 23, 2010, 09:09 PM
Saw them Stingers at Wal-mart and at the local Gun shop last week down here in TX.

As for a self defense round I don't want to be shot with one.

ThePunisher'sArmory
June 23, 2010, 09:51 PM
If your in southern Illinois, The east Belleville store has them all the time, Ofallon and Collinsville sometimes.

husker
June 23, 2010, 10:05 PM
i dnt care what any one says . its a nasty nasty round if thats all you have. & will kill the CHIT out of some one. Home NINJAS? or HOME DEFENSE???

Orion8472
June 24, 2010, 02:19 PM
rugerman07, I was only speaking to those who were mentioning the accuracy of the Stinger. I would have no problem using the Stinger for self defense, if it was all I had at the time.

Tim the student
June 24, 2010, 02:31 PM
I would have no problem using the Stinger for self defense, if it was all I had at the time.

Nor would I. I also wouldn't have a problem using throwing knives if they were all I had at the time either. However, no rimfire will ever be my caliber of choice for SD/HD. If others want to, they can have at it.

Anothermiller
June 25, 2010, 10:31 PM
just bought 6 boxes today and they had a whole endcap with nothing but stingers.

My son shoots them out of his marlin bolt action.The stingers are effective on woodchucks.

I wont shoot them out of my ruger competition pistol, they are hyper velocity and seem like they beat the parts alil more.

RevolvingGarbage
June 25, 2010, 11:08 PM
If you are among those who subscribe to the FBI standard for ammunition performance, you might be dissapointed to know that Stingers out of a rifle barrel will readily fragment in gelatin shot at close ranges (0-20'). The total wound track is about 7-9" long.

I still believe they would be very effective with a clean torso hit, but going through an arm first, they are going to perform poorly.

76shuvlinoff
June 26, 2010, 07:39 AM
I have read the Stingers are less accurate due to the shorter lighter bullet that allows for more powder to attain higher velocity.

Out of my Marlin 60 and my 39A when comparing Stingers to Mini mags or Automatch I notice there seems to be some truth to that..... for me.

Manco
June 26, 2010, 11:50 PM
In my opinion, for self/home-defense Stingers are more useful in handguns that have short barrels than they are in rifles. As long as the velocity is reduced enough to keep expansion under control, which increases penetration, and avoid fragmentation, it can be effective, at least in theory (I'd need more test data to figure out just how effective).

Regarding .22 LR in general, personally I think it's underrated as a defensive caliber. Because it's marginal in some ways, we have to pay even more attention than usual to the details, but it can get the job done. For instance, a somewhat hot load such as the CCI Mini-Mag shot out of a 6" barrel can achieve the minimum 12" penetration standard (with no expansion). Aside from shot placement, this is the most important aspect of terminal ballistics, and .22 LR enables most people to put better-aimed shots into the target faster than they could with larger calibers; in handgun calibers, nothing helps shot placement and the probability of making a stop better than multiple aimed rounds fired.

Hotter loads such as the CCI Velocitor will meet or exceed the same standard out of even shorter barrels (the hollow-point bullet does not expand in tests):

http://www.brassfetcher.com/WaltherP22test.html

The CCI Velocitor out of a rifle can exceed the minimum penetration standard with decent expansion:

http://www.brassfetcher.com/var22lrrifle.html

While finding the best combinations of firearms and loads is absolutely critical for .22 LR to be effective for defensive purposes, such combinations do indeed exist. Now, I didn't say that I'm going to trade in my .40 S&W pistol for a .22 LR, but that's only because I've gotten good enough with the .40 through training that I believe it gives me an edge over a .22. But that's all it is--an edge (larger than its razor-thin edge over 9mm, to be sure, but still just an edge). For relative novices who don't and won't practice much, in my opinion a .22 could actually give them an edge over a .40! :eek: Seriously, with the right handgun/rifle and .22 LR load, they could empty their guns into bad guys (if necessary) like they never could with a larger caliber.

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