.357 which one


PDA






JoeH
June 20, 2010, 01:19 PM
Hi
I am trying to decide on which 357 magnum revolver to get. I would like to be able to carry it if needed but also take it to the range and have fun.

I have a S&W 442 for pocket carry which is great. And although I do enjoy shooting it, Its not as much fun to shoot a lot.

I also don't want to break the bank buying one :)

Any ideas ?

Oh and double action is a must

Joe

If you enjoyed reading about ".357 which one" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
Tallinar
June 20, 2010, 01:27 PM
Ruger GP100 or SP101

MachIVshooter
June 20, 2010, 01:33 PM
IMO, the S&W K-frames are one of the few well suited to both tasks. Large enough for comfort and control on the range, small enough to carry comfortably.

The L-frame (686, etc) or Ruger GP-100 are a bit large for CCW.

The SP-101 also wouldn't be a bad choice, but isn't much smaller than a K and gives up capacity.

Here's a comparison photo from my personal armament:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/SANY0025.jpg

From top, it is Ruger Super Redhawk, S&W N-frame, S&W L frame, S&W K frame, Ruger SP-101, S&W J-frame. My security six is with my folks, so I couldn't include it. They are slightly bulkier than a K-frame.

JoeH
June 20, 2010, 01:36 PM
Thanks

I've been looking at them. Which is easier on the hands? I'm leaning toward the SP101.

I am fairly new to guns. But from what I have been readin the heavier guns have less perceived recoil. Between the SP101 and the GP100 is the difference much?

Joe

JoeH
June 20, 2010, 01:38 PM
IMO, the S&W K-frames are one of the few well suited to both tasks. Large enough for comfort and control on the range, small enough to carry comfortably.


To show how little I know, whats the model on the K frame ?

MachIVshooter
June 20, 2010, 01:40 PM
To show how little I know, whats the model on the K frame ?

Most commonly encountered:

.38 +P: 10, 15, 64, 67

.357 Magnum: 19, 65, 66

The one in my photo is a 4" 65-3

There are also pre-model number K's.

There are no current production K-frame .357's; they're all L-frame now, though the 620 closely resembles the 65/66. The 620 is also a 7-shot gun.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764969_-1_757912_757798_757797_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

almostfree
June 20, 2010, 01:42 PM
For a revolver that is both fun to shoot and can still be carried, I don't think you can go wrong with a 4" S&W 66. I love mine.

content
June 20, 2010, 02:43 PM
Hello friends and neighbors // I have and enjoy the S&W 442 myself, in .357 I chose:

The S&W 6" Model 586 Distingushed Combat Magnum .357/.38 (1983)

The Sturm Ruger Model 717 4" Security Six .357/.38 (1977)

Both have adjustable rear sights and are very comfortable on the wallet.

There is a sticky post on checking used revolvers before buying at the top of the this forum if you have not done much.

svtruth
June 20, 2010, 02:45 PM
shooters than I, but the .357 is a different round in different guns, to my perception.
Model 19: A poem of a gun, beautiful, accurate, great trigger, great ergonomics, too nice to beat up.
Colt Trooper MK III: Strong, DA trigger that is like a grip strengthener, but SA is like thought control.
Colt King Cobra: A tank, and heavy enough to use as an anchor.
GP-100; Also a tank, but common enough to tap for a scope.
No experience with sp-101 or scandium or other subs.
Good luck.

md7
June 20, 2010, 04:12 PM
you want a .357 that is able to be carried and one that is affordable. i would humbly suggest the following:

3" bbl GP100 (Ruger)
2"-3" bbl. SP101 (Ruger)
3" bbl. SW 19/66
3" bbl. Ruger Security/Speed/Service six

all carryable, reliable, and should be affordable

Rexster
June 20, 2010, 05:06 PM
An SP101 can share speedloaders with your 442, in case that is considered desirable. Just keep .38s in the loaders, so it can be used for either gun. I consider the SP101 one of the best compact carry revolvers in the world. I rarely carry my J-frames, as the SP101s are small enough for most of my needs, even pocket carry. Yet, in my hands, at least, the SP101 is large enough for me to grip very well while stroking the trigger, making it about as accurate as a service/duty-sized sixgun.

As for controlling recoil, the SP101 factory grip is sufficient to prevent actual pain with any factory magnum load I have yet tried. (I have not tried the semi-custom loads such as Buffalo Bore.) I am having trouble finding a compact type of grip that will mitigate recoil as well with a Ruger Speed Six. That is right, my Speed Six, with either factory wood grips and a Tyler T-grip, or Pachmayr Compac Professional grips, kicks me worse than my SP101s. Of course, this is an individual thing, with my skinny hands. Your results may vary.

Ruger has been turning out some really smooth SP101s lately. Cherry-picking at large dealers can help you avoid the need for a trigger job.

420Stainless
June 20, 2010, 07:03 PM
I really like my 2-3/4" Security Six and recommend it if you can find a good used one. I've never tried one, but I imagine the SP101 would be on the same level.

Nomad
June 20, 2010, 07:17 PM
I'm like the poster above, I really like the K frames. Light enough to carry but they can take more rounds than most will ever want to shoot. If you're talking about 357 stay away from a heavy diet of 125-135 gr bullets. Use the 158 gr. That frame just fits my hands very well.

Ala Dan
June 20, 2010, 07:31 PM
Its going too be hard to beat the action on most S&W model
19's and/or 66's~! :scrutiny: ;) :D

jhallrv4
June 20, 2010, 08:03 PM
I'm quite fond of my 686+, but it may be a bit large and heavy for daily concealed carry. I do carry it concealed occasionally, but rarely.
I saw the post above about a 586 distinguished combat magnum being light on the wallet, but then googled it and found one that the auction closed on January this year, for 490 bucks. WOW I wish I'd seen that back then. I would have sucked that up bigtime.

Jeff

DFW1911
June 20, 2010, 08:04 PM
Since CCW is part of the criteria, I'd strongly suggest looking at a S&W Model 65 w/ 3" barrel.

Feels good in the hand, definitely capable of being CCW'ed, and is reliable as you can get.

Also, you can find a used one in good condition without breaking the bank.

I've attached a pic for reference.

ArchAngelCD
June 20, 2010, 08:39 PM
I'm going to go a slightly different route. When I practice a lot with an Airweight I change the grips for the range. I put a set of Pachmayr Gripper Grips (http://www.pachmayr.com/gripper-grids.php) on my M642 and it's comfortable to shoot all day. They are large and soft and do the job.

rd2007
June 21, 2010, 06:15 PM
SP101 with Hogue Monogrip. I have put somewhere around 200 rounds of .357 through mine and it now feels like it used to feel when I shot .38's.

ruger1228
June 21, 2010, 09:01 PM
If you want a fun gun to shoot at the range, go with the Ruger GP100 4". I just bought one last Friday and I can't put it down. I have run about 400 rounds through it-both 357 magnum and 38 special and it is SO fun to shoot.
The trigger pull is excellent even using it double action and even better it you shoot single action. Accuracy is excellent right out of the box.
I also have a Ruger SP101. Excellent gun to carry and fun to shoot.
But if I could only have one, it would be the GP100.

sleepyone
June 21, 2010, 09:10 PM
+1 for the 686+. it is a blast to shoot. even with .357 loads the recoil is slight.

ThePunisher'sArmory
June 21, 2010, 09:21 PM
+1 for the Ruger GP-100

MachIVshooter
June 22, 2010, 12:52 AM
He said he want to carry the gun. Have any of ya'll recommending L-frames and GP-100's actually tried to CC the thing? They're pretty darn big guns, make a full sized 1911 seem small.

Brian Williams
June 22, 2010, 07:25 AM
A 3 inch S&W 13/65 or a 3" Ruger Speed Six

Mr. T
June 23, 2010, 12:21 AM
Ruger GP-100 in 6".

fireside44
June 23, 2010, 07:43 AM
Any ideas ?

Interarms Rossi model 971. Pick your barrel length. You can just about buy two for the cost of any of the other choices.

The Bushmaster
June 23, 2010, 09:21 AM
One of my three carry weapons is a S&W Mod 19 Combat Magnum with round butt and 2 1/2" barrel. You definitly don't feel under gunned and it is an accurate weapon on the range and a blast to shoot.

vanagon40
June 23, 2010, 11:43 AM
I don't carry it but I like it. Just as The Bushmaster described above. Made in 1975, a little over $500 OTD.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb215/vanagon40/193snub.jpg

stinger 327
June 23, 2010, 03:15 PM
SP-101 snubby in .357 gets my vote. Except I would get the grey finish with wood insert handles.

8830
June 23, 2010, 03:39 PM
4" 686 is the best.

NotSoFast
June 23, 2010, 04:27 PM
Ruger SP101, definitely.

stinger 327
June 23, 2010, 04:40 PM
Ruger SP101, definitely.

:D yes yes

skoro
June 23, 2010, 10:40 PM
Any ideas?

The Model 13 with a 3" barrel is just about perfect for what you've outlined. Love mine. Small enough to carry, hefty enough to shoot comfortably at the range.

http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/images/model%2013/model%2013-13.jpg
S&W Model 13


.

Confederate
June 23, 2010, 10:40 PM
Gee...I don't have a clue. Something that's not too muzzle heavy, is plenty strong, well balanced, fairly inexpensive.


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/RugerSecurity-SixTrio_6.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Ruger_SS_Assembly_2.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Speed-Six_3.jpg

LCTitan
June 24, 2010, 06:16 PM
The Smith and Wesson 686 4 inch is really tough to beat. Great gun!

MCgunner
June 24, 2010, 07:11 PM
Mine's seen battle and drawn blood. Has yours? :D

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115606&d=1266165272

roaddog28
June 24, 2010, 07:21 PM
Hi,
Three more suggestions.

Smith & Wesson 66-4 4 inch
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/model66-4.jpg
Ruger GP100 and Police Service Six
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/GP100ServiceSix.jpg

All very good 357s.

regards
roaddog28

stinger 327
June 24, 2010, 10:05 PM
Hi,
Three more suggestions.

Smith & Wesson 66-4 4 inch
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/model66-4.jpg
Ruger GP100 and Police Service Six
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/GP100ServiceSix.jpg

All very good 357s.

regards
roaddog28
Yes the Mod. 66 is a good size. In plain blue finish it is the Model 19. What is today's S&W equivalent to the Mod. 66? Is it the 686?

Cosmoline
June 24, 2010, 10:30 PM
I've carried lots, but the Speed Six is the all around perfect carry magnum. It's mid way between the GP and the SP in size and handles quite well with magnum loads. The trigger is very nice for a Ruger, and it's tougher than a K frame magnum.

stinger 327
June 24, 2010, 10:33 PM
Mine's seen battle and drawn blood. Has yours? :D

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115606&d=1266165272
So a .357 will stop a boar? which load did you use?

MCgunner
June 25, 2010, 07:16 AM
I was carrying concealed that day, my Taurus 66 3" with 140 Speer JHP handloads. This one was only about 80 lbs, but I've killed 200 lbers quite dead with the .357. When actually hunting and not just walking back to my truck and stumbling upon a hog like this one, I use a 165 grain cast, gas checked Lee SWC over 14.5 grains 2400 or a 180 grain XTP over 13.8 grains of AA#9. Both push 800 ft lbs out of my Ruger 6.5" Blackhawk.

Yeah, don't under-rate the .357 as a hunting round. Many do.

BTW, I've owned a Security Six and a SP101. For me, for carry, it don't get a lot better than the 3" SP101, though mine was a 2.25"er. I get another .357 carry, it'll be a 3" SP101. I don't miss that Security Six. It wasn't as accurate over all, though it liked the 140s, as my SP101 despite the 4" barrel and the felt recoil was awful by comparison. How a heavier gun could be so much worse in felt recoil I do not know, but it was. The SP101 is a stronger design, too. The SP101 is a sweet shooting gun, especially with a Hogue grip and presents less profile under a shirt than a square butt. Just MHO having owned both. The Sixs are no longer made, so they have a bit of cult following and the cult usually over-rates the cult gun in most such cases.

md7
June 25, 2010, 11:15 AM
Yes the Mod. 66 is a good size. In plain blue finish it is the Model 19. What is today's S&W equivalent to the Mod. 66? Is it the 686?

the 66 and 19 are K frame revolvers. i don't know if SW still makes K frames. the 686 is an L frame, and is a bit larger and heavier. "beefed" up to accomodate shooting magnum rounds without the wear and tear that magnum rounds had over prolonged periods to the K frame. i do not know if the 66/19 has a currently produced equivalent in the SW lineup.

md7
June 25, 2010, 11:17 AM
that is not meant as a knock to K frames. i love the 66 and 19 especially in the 2.5" and 3" lengths. mighty fine carry revolvers.

stinger 327
June 25, 2010, 01:01 PM
the 66 and 19 are K frame revolvers. i don't know if SW still makes K frames. the 686 is an L frame, and is a bit larger and heavier. "beefed" up to accomodate shooting magnum rounds without the wear and tear that magnum rounds had over prolonged periods to the K frame. i do not know if the 66/19 has a currently produced equivalent in the SW lineup.
the K frames Mod. 19 and Mod. 66 how well do those hold up to magnum loads?

roaddog28
June 25, 2010, 05:19 PM
Hi,
Made I suggest two options. S&W 66 in 4 inch or Ruger Police Service Six 4 inch. Light enough to carry and both can shoot 357s. The Ruger is the stronger but nothing wrong with the 66.
Good luck,
S&W 66 4 inch
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/model66-4.jpg
Ruger Police Service Six 4 inch
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/RugerServiceSix.jpg

Deaf Smith
June 25, 2010, 10:11 PM
If it's for carrying, as your primary CCW gun, I strongly suggest finding a used Ruger Speed Six, .357 Magnum, that is TIGHT! I mean zero play fore and aft, no cylinder shake, no crane shake, no nothing (and I have two Rugers that are that way!)

Get that and a Ruger factory DAO hammer and you have one of the best CCW revolvers made.

And barring that, the same gun in .38 spl. Since Buffalo Bore makes a 158gr LSWHP that gets and honest 1100 fps (I chroned that figure in my .38 2 3/4 inch speed six!) It will do. But the magnum version gives even more power!

If it's hunting or just shooting, I'd get either a L or N frame Smith. Why not the GP100? Mainly cause I have found the GP100 series does not take .38 spl ammo well (shoots poorly.) This has to do with how the chambers are set up. But Smiths shoot them all well.

Deaf

Confederate
June 25, 2010, 11:25 PM
So a .357 will stop a boar? which load did you use?
I think you misunderstand.

McGunner was using a Ruger Security-Six. The boar was using the S&W.

McGunner won.

.

stinger 327
June 26, 2010, 12:48 AM
If it's for carrying, as your primary CCW gun, I strongly suggest finding a used Ruger Speed Six, .357 Magnum, that is TIGHT! I mean zero play fore and aft, no cylinder shake, no crane shake, no nothing (and I have two Rugers that are that way!)

Get that and a Ruger factory DAO hammer and you have one of the best CCW revolvers made.

And barring that, the same gun in .38 spl. Since Buffalo Bore makes a 158gr LSWHP that gets and honest 1100 fps (I chroned that figure in my .38 2 3/4 inch speed six!) It will do. But the magnum version gives even more power!

If it's hunting or just shooting, I'd get either a L or N frame Smith. Why not the GP100? Mainly cause I have found the GP100 series does not take .38 spl ammo well (shoots poorly.) This has to do with how the chambers are set up. But Smiths shoot them all well.

Deaf
Why not use the .357 Buffalo Bore 125 grain bullet 1,800 fps.

ArchAngelCD
June 26, 2010, 01:35 AM
Yes the Mod. 66 is a good size. In plain blue finish it is the Model 19. What is today's S&W equivalent to the Mod. 66? Is it the 686?
There really isn't a equivalent to the K frame .357 Magnum in the S&W line but the Model 620 (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764969_-1_757769_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y) took the place of the M66. The M620 isn't quite as heavy as the M686 and it feels and points more like a K frame than an L frame. The big difference is the L frame M620 is a 7 shot revolver unlike the 6 shot M66 K frame.

stinger 327
June 26, 2010, 01:40 AM
There really isn't a equivalent to the K frame .357 Magnum in the S&W line but the Model 620 (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764969_-1_757769_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y) took the place of the M66. The M620 isn't quite as heavy as the M686 and it feels and points more like a K frame than an L frame. The big difference is the L frame M620 is a 7 shot revolver unlike the 6 shot M66 K frame.
7 shot revolver that's nice. Wasn't it Taurus that came out with 7 and 8 shot revolvers?
This S & W costs $893? Why does S & W brand cost so much? Even the Mod. 617 .22 10 shot revolver costs alot and it is just a .22 LR.:eek::uhoh:

snooperman
June 26, 2010, 08:05 AM
time to time. The Colt Magnum carry 21 oz and the Ruger SP101 25 oz . However, at age 70 I find it too much gun for me and most often carry my 16 oz Colt Cobra or the new Ruger LCR. I find the recoil of the 357 too much and makes a second follow-up shot difficult and slow in the light weight guns. If I go to my Ruger speed six or model 19 snubby they are too heavy too carry. It is all about what you can feel best with and for me it is the 38 special for daily carry. When I am in the woods hunting or riding my horse I carry the 357.

snooperman
June 26, 2010, 08:19 AM
are hard to beat. There are millions out there at very reasonable prices, especially the police trade-ins that might work well for you. I have a model 65 S&W 3" that is nice if you can handle the weight for daily carry or the model 19 in 4".

MCgunner
June 26, 2010, 10:00 AM
If it's hunting or just shooting, I'd get either a L or N frame Smith. Why not the GP100? Mainly cause I have found the GP100 series does not take .38 spl ammo well (shoots poorly.) This has to do with how the chambers are set up. But Smiths shoot them all well.

Same with the old Security Sixes. Mine shot .38 about 4" at 25 and way off windage wise from the .357 sight setting. However, my .357 Blackhawk will 6.5" barrel shoots as good as any .38 with .38 loads. My two Taurus 66s shoot very well with .38, also, why I kept them and traded the Security Six. My old M19 4" couldn't quite match the 4" Taurus 66, either. That Taurus is a tack driver. Bash 'em all you want and I'm sure the koolaid drinkers will, but I like mine. I gave just under 200 bucks for it used at a gun show, which is what I gave new for the 19 back in 1980, but hey, times change. i wish I hadn't sold that 19 just looking at what they bring now days used. :rolleyes: A 4" beater around here will bring 400 bucks and one as good as mine was would go for north of 500, closer to 6! They ain't made out of gold, people!

The other thing I don't like about K frames is the flat bottomed forcing cone. I had one split once. The Taurus is beefier in that area and uses a round forcing cone. The Rugers beat 'em all to hell for strength, of course, and the L frames are stronger guns, too, probably why they dropped the K frame .357s. I'll put the SP101 up against the L frame for strength, though, and my SP101 LIKED .38s just fine. It was a 2" gun and could shoot 2" groups at 25 with either .38 or .357 magnum from sand bags. I'd like to get a 3" SP101. If it shot as good as that 2", the sight radius is longer. It could be a real shooter. :D I'm not sure why Ruger would make an SP101 with the right chamber dimensions and not a GP100 or Security Six, though. Weird. I've never heard that chamber dimension thing, but it would explain why that old Security Six was so sloppy with .38s. I did NOT like that as I view a .357 4" as an outdoor carry and I might just wanna take (and have a lot) small game with it. Wouldn't matter to the ordinary defense oriented urbanite, I reckon, as 4" groups from the .38 is fine for practicing on a B27 at 10 feet. :rolleyes:

GRIZ22
June 26, 2010, 12:20 PM
A 4" K or L frame size gun (I prefer the L frame size) is just about the perfect do it all handgun there is IMO. First pick would be a Ruger GP100 or S&W L frame. I've also had good experiences with Taurus K frame 357s.

stinger 327
June 26, 2010, 12:34 PM
time to time. The Colt Magnum carry 21 oz and the Ruger SP101 25 oz . However, at age 70 I find it too much gun for me and most often carry my 16 oz Colt Cobra or the new Ruger LCR. I find the recoil of the 357 too much and makes a second follow-up shot difficult and slow in the light weight guns. If I go to my Ruger speed six or model 19 snubby they are too heavy too carry. It is all about what you can feel best with and for me it is the 38 special for daily carry. When I am in the woods hunting or riding my horse I carry the 357.
You can always go with a NAA mini revolver those are next to nothing in weight and carry size and pack a wallop.
The other tiny but more reliable is the .25 ACP.

snooperman
June 26, 2010, 12:48 PM
carrying for the past 35 years ,the Colt Cobra. I like my SP101 and have carried it from time to time but I find the little 38 special cobra good enough. To each his own.

stinger 327
June 26, 2010, 12:57 PM
carrying for the past 35 years ,the Colt Cobra. I like my SP101 and have carried it from time to time but I find the little 38 special cobra good enough. To each his own.
I remember those .38 Colt cobras. Nice little quality piece.

finloq
June 26, 2010, 07:10 PM
+1 on the Sp101 with Hogue grips. 3 1/4" barrel. .357 for protection and .38sp at the range (cheap).

stinger 327
June 26, 2010, 11:46 PM
+1 on the Sp101 with Hogue grips. 3 1/4" barrel. .357 for protection and .38sp at the range (cheap).
When you sight in gun (if it is possible has adj. sights do you sight in with .357 or .38?) applies to all guns of this caliber and with adj. sights.

MCgunner
June 27, 2010, 09:58 AM
The 2.3" SP101 I had shot ALL calibers to the same POA. I'm not sure why or how, but .38 wadcutter, .357 140 grain, .357 180 grain bear stompers, all shot to POA. My 3" Taurus also puts a +P158 maybe an inch higher than a 140 or 165 grain .357 load and it puts the wadcutters maybe an inch lower. All this is at 25 yards. I don't bother moving the sight on my Taurus when I swap calibers. I am thinkin' maybe there's something magical about the shorter barrel? These are the only two sub 4" guns in the caliber I've ever owned. The SP101 was perfectly regulated, didn't have to file the sight or anything. I've had to do that one some fixed sight guns. I'm not saying they're ALL that way, just saying that was the case with mine.

roaddog28
June 27, 2010, 12:53 PM
Hi again,

I think the best answer is to go rent and try as many 357s that have been described and see which one is the best for that person. For me the best handling as well as the best one I can shoot is my M66-4 4 inch. A close second is my Ruger Police Service Six. Both are light enough for carry and can use a wide variety of ammo. I don't shoot full power 357s in either one of them. I stay in the neighborhood of 140 to 158 grain ammo. Most of the time the velocity range is in the 1100 to 1300 fps range. If a person keeps either one them clean after using them both revolvers will outlast the own or owners.

Now with that said, the best revolvers in my opinion for shooting full power 357s and lots of them are the Ruger GP100, L and N frame Smiths. All of these can take the pounding and are heavy enough to soak up the recoil. But for me they are not as good handling and shooting for my small hands. That is where the K frame Smith wins followed closely by the Ruger Police Service Six.

Too sum it up, the individual will make the decision. Or your could be like me. I own all of the above mentioned revolvers. Each has its place in my collection!:)
Regards,
roaddog28

dmase
June 27, 2010, 01:40 PM
S&W model 19 Combat Magnum. Best 357 ever made.
I said it, I will stand by it, and defend my life with it.

The Bushmaster
June 27, 2010, 04:12 PM
Oh I don't know if I'd go that far...:D

Confederate
June 27, 2010, 04:41 PM
I have owned and shot many Ruger Security-Sixes (all stainless), in all barrel lengths, and all of them have handled .38 Spc loads exceptionally well. They seem to prefer heavier bullets, but that's by design. Police and civilians tend to shoot lighter bullets, like 110gr +P and 125gr magnum rounds, but these at modest self defense ranges. Hunters tend to use heavier bullets and at longer ranges.

That said, I can be a dangerous shot at 100 yards with 125gr JHPs, and, I might add, with hot SWC loads. Even with the 2.75-inch barrelled SS, I saw a woman (a fairly new shooter) put .38 +P 148gr rounds so close to orange clay pidgeons, occasionally bursting them, that I certainly wouldn't want her shooting at me! And though we did better with heavier bullets, we both could have made things uncomfortable for a bad guy at that range using 125gr JHPs.

The first-issued 686 did exceptionally well with heavy and lIght bullets, and they received extra attention that today's 686s don't get. S&W wanted the 686s to be Python busters, and the first few generations were that! Special attention was paid to tolerances -- B/C gaps, chamber spacing, headspace, bore specs, etc. And the 6-inchers even had overtravel stops to make them tack drivers (shorter barrels didn't have them as the stops could very rarely work themselves loose and cause reliability problems). Still, the 686s were designed to compete favorably with Pythons. That's why I'll never sell my 6-inch first issue 686!

My Ruger Security-Sixes seemed to favor the 158-gr JHPs at longe-range shooting, but I could still do quite well at 100 yards with 125gr JHP/JSP. And shooting wadcutters or SWCs was never a problem at 50-75 feet. I have a problem shooting at paper targets at more than 50 feet, but outside shooting at clay targets I can do quite well. At 100 yards, I can do self defense shooting with 125gr JHPs, but the gun clearly prefers heavier bullets in both magnum and .38 Spc.

I've owned three Taurus 66s (1980s), and all three had chambers drilled all the way through. In short, I could barely hit the rings of a target right in front of me. Neither could any of my friends. I've never had any more use for Taurus.

SOMETHING TO TRY: Get six or seven 125gr JHP bullets. Drop a bullet into each chamber. Do any fall through? If so, how many? Don't push any of them through (that will resze them). Check each gun, preferably with virgin bullets. If all drop through, the chambers may be your problem.

powwowell
June 27, 2010, 08:52 PM
Ruger SP101 with 3 1/16" barrel. Very strong, very conceable.

OldCavSoldier
June 28, 2010, 12:14 AM
I have two Smith 686's, both with 3 inch barrels and my son has one with 4 inch barrel. We shot 200 rounds apeace yesterday at the range. No problems with hands or handguns.....

stinger 327
June 28, 2010, 01:14 AM
S&W model 19 Combat Magnum. Best 357 ever made.
I said it, I will stand by it, and defend my life with it.
You can stand on a Glock with no ill effects on that gun. Why not the model 66 over the model 19?

The Bushmaster
June 28, 2010, 10:04 AM
Because we are discussing REVOLVERS on this thread and not semi-autos and especially not glocks.:rolleyes:

Take your pick...Stainless or blued(nickeled) steel...Mine's nickel plated.:D

earlthegoat2
June 28, 2010, 10:35 AM
Smith K frame 3 or 2 1/2"
Ruger Six series 2 3/4"
Smith 686 2 1/2 or 3"
Ruger GP100 3"

Reverend
October 6, 2010, 01:51 PM
Being retired and a member of my local Fish & Game Association for 41 years, I enjoy shooting on the Range (Indoor & Outdoors). I am on a fixed income now, and I just ordered 2 new revolvers, S&W Model 627 Pro and a S&W Model 617-6". Expensive, may be to some, but I am paying for quality and enjoyment, which to me is a good choice.

harmon rabb
October 6, 2010, 02:17 PM
SP101, without a doubt. Very comfortable to shoot at the range, handles recoil much better than it has any right to (with the stock grips, no less), can handle the heaviest .357 loads, conceals very well somehow (the curves of it i guess?).

Thaddeus Jones
October 6, 2010, 03:42 PM
Brand new? Ruger SP101

Used, LNIB? S&W 3" 66, pre lock of course. TJ

Dirty Bob
October 6, 2010, 04:26 PM
I like the 3 1/16"-barrel SP101 for carry. It's heavy enough to not be punishing to shoot, and the sights are surprising good. I find it too big for pocket carry, but it should be easy to carry in a belt holster, once I find one. Great little gun!

Dirty Bob

welldoya
October 6, 2010, 04:42 PM
Don't forget the S&W model 60 in .357. It's beefier than the older ones that shot .38 only. Makes a great CCW.

agtman
October 6, 2010, 09:32 PM
I actually stumbled into a lightly used Ruger .357 Police Service Six - blue with a 3" tube and fixed sights.

It was in minty condition, and I have to admit being SHOCKED (:what:) at how well it shot, right after running the first six 158gn magnum rounds through the gun. Tight group from "combat" distance, and the trigger was really smooth in DA. A great shooter.

DAdams
October 6, 2010, 09:43 PM
In general.....a 3inch K Frame.

Deaf Smith
October 6, 2010, 10:51 PM
Why not use the .357 Buffalo Bore 125 grain bullet 1,800 fps.
It don't make 1800 from a 2 3/4 inch barrel, that's why!

The 1100 fps is from the .38 Spl. load, not the .357 load.


Buffalo Bore's 158gr JHP .357 load gets 1350 from a 2 3/4 inch barrel and I bet it kicks!

Also the 1800 fps load is VERY HARD on forceing cones. You know where the cylinder meets the barrel. Some do crack from to much stress of a fast lightweight bullet striking the forceing cone.

Deaf

Marshall
October 6, 2010, 10:56 PM
For what you have described, I concur on the a 3" K Frame. 4" if you can't find a 3".

You might also consider a 3" Model 60 with adjustable sights. Smaller gun than a K Frame but a stout little gun.

S&Wfan
October 6, 2010, 11:58 PM
The ultimate compromise between lightweight + concealment AND heavy-enough + accurate:

The 3" M13 and 3" M65 . . . VERY accurate and easy to shoot . . . light enough to swing and point well, yet heavy enough to make shooting it fun!

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/415/415871/folders/305468/244924665-3.jpg

Erik M
October 7, 2010, 12:05 AM
SP101 or GP100. If you are a S&W fan go with a 686 :D

Sevenfaces
October 7, 2010, 02:26 AM
Try out the Ruger GP100, or S&W 686. If you're looking for something a bit cheaper, Taurus makes several different 357s, if youre feeling exotic, Colt has made a few DA 357s you can buy used, but not cheap.

stinger 327
October 7, 2010, 03:23 AM
Being retired and a member of my local Fish & Game Association for 41 years, I enjoy shooting on the Range (Indoor & Outdoors). I am on a fixed income now, and I just ordered 2 new revolvers, S&W Model 627 Pro and a S&W Model 617-6". Expensive, may be to some, but I am paying for quality and enjoyment, which to me is a good choice.
Why not get the 617 10 shot?
I got the Browning Buckmark .22 LR. auto But the S & W 617 .22LR revolver was also a consideration at that time. Now I see the prices on the 617 are about $750 and gone up way too much. The one I want is the 10 shot 6 inch gun. In that way when I get misfires all I have to do is keep pulling the trigger unlike the automatic.
.22 LR seems to have alot of misfires or duds but run them through a second time and they usually go bang it's just with the auto it holds everything up till you clear the hang up or misfire.

desmo21
October 7, 2010, 09:53 AM
Ruger LCR 357 is an easy pocket carry, great trigger.

stinger 327
October 7, 2010, 03:16 PM
Ruger LCR 357 is an easy pocket carry, great trigger.
Do these LCR models come in .357? I have seen them only in .38.

vikz
October 8, 2010, 12:22 PM
ruger lcr in 357 very nice to ccw..

ejnogarb
October 8, 2010, 12:41 PM
I love my Ruger GP-100, but the SP-101 looks great as well. I like revolvers with 4 inch barrels because it's long enough to burn powder and not kick as much, but short enough that it's not unwieldy. If you want to CC it, I think it'd be too big, so I'd recommend the SP-101. I paid $375 for mine not too long ago, which is an average price, I think. Having said all that, I really want the S&W 627 (8 shots). So if you want the best value, go Ruger.

TUBBY1
October 8, 2010, 12:57 PM
Sp101 3" first choice because of concealment but gp100 is alot of fun.get's little heavy-bulky though. I do like k frames but can't beat the value of ruger.

stinger 327
October 8, 2010, 01:22 PM
ruger lcr in 357 very nice to ccw..
I will have to see it or get a pic. of it.

stinger 327
October 8, 2010, 01:24 PM
I love my Ruger GP-100, but the SP-101 looks great as well. I like revolvers with 4 inch barrels because it's long enough to burn powder and not kick as much, but short enough that it's not unwieldy. If you want to CC it, I think it'd be too big, so I'd recommend the SP-101. I paid $375 for mine not too long ago, which is an average price, I think. Having said all that, I really want the S&W 627 (8 shots). So if you want the best value, go Ruger.
Revolvers here too. I have much more confidence in it. If the ammo is defective all you do is pull the trigger to next round where auto it jams and stops everything. Ammo dependent.

atlanticfire
October 9, 2010, 12:34 AM
Security Six....
http://jaybiddle.com/GUNS/rugerss1.JPG

stinger 327
October 9, 2010, 12:39 AM
Sp-101:)

If you enjoyed reading about ".357 which one" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!