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ThePunisher'sArmory
June 21, 2010, 09:14 PM
Is PMC ammo any good. They have .223 for sale at cabels for $6.99 per 20. I mostly use Remington UMC but if PMC is reliable and fairly accurate I will buy some up.

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Z-Michigan
June 21, 2010, 09:20 PM
It's fine and is fairly comparable to UMC. It is relatively inexpensive, tends to chrono a bit slow (say 2900fps for a 55gr .223, 16-20" barrel) and is nothing special in the accuracy department... but it goes bang reliably, does not go ka-BOOM!, is brass cased and copper jacketed bullets, and is relatively inexpensive.

ThePunisher'sArmory
June 21, 2010, 09:23 PM
Also forgot to ask is it reloadable?

Al Thompson
June 21, 2010, 09:26 PM
Yep. And better than Federal in the accuracy and Ka-Boom department. :D

XxM0nEyMaKeRxX
June 21, 2010, 09:27 PM
Also forgot to ask is it reloadable?
Depends, whats the case made out of?

Z-Michigan
June 21, 2010, 09:28 PM
All the PMC I've seen is brass cased and boxer primed, which means reloadable by equipment commonly used for reloading in the US. However, most of the .223 I've seen has crimped primers, which means you will need to remove the crimp to safely re-prime the cases.

ThePunisher'sArmory
June 21, 2010, 09:32 PM
Yah its brass. I refuse to use steel and know you cant reload steel. Ill have to check out the primer though. I didnt even think about that.

chevyforlife21
June 21, 2010, 09:49 PM
in 9mm in a hi point carbine its awsome i get very small groups 1 inch maybe? great stuff just made in korea.

Rollis R. Karvellis
June 21, 2010, 10:32 PM
I'm in the prosses of decrimping, 800, PMC .223, and atlest half so far have not had a crimp, or atlest not enough to be felt when the swag is used.

Z-Michigan
June 21, 2010, 10:36 PM
I'm in the prosses of decrimping, 800, PMC .223, and atlest half so far have not had a crimp, or atlest not enough to be felt when the swag is used.

Interesting. Just out of curiousity, do you know when those cases were made? I've been using PMC .223 for years and most of what I've shot had a crimp, but I recently opened a case from mid-2009 and it appeared that none of that case (well, none of the 3 or 4 boxes I've used so far) has a crimp. I don't know if they're inconsistent or if they made a running change somewhere in the 2008/2009 timeframe.

RP88
June 21, 2010, 10:39 PM
accuracy is better than what you'd expect for what it is.

I can hover around 2" give or take with some really nice 4-5 shot groups.

The bullet is your everyday cannilured 55gr bullet. It'll do what it's supposed to do. Good plinking ammo, passable for most other things; but for match and HD/SD/duty work, pick something else.

SpeedAKL
June 21, 2010, 10:43 PM
I've used plenty of the stuff and never had a problem. Good plinking ammo and definitely a step up from the steel-cased stuff

Rollis R. Karvellis
June 22, 2010, 10:55 AM
Not sure when it was made, a deputy who I, shoot with once in a while, gave them to me they were his range pickups from qulifiing/training.

BeJaRa
June 22, 2010, 11:18 AM
I just prepped about 140+ PMC cases and all had a crimp on the primer pocket. All the PMC was less than 2 yrs old

parker51
June 22, 2010, 02:07 PM
I just picked up over 1,000 pieces of PMC brass and none had crimped pockets. I believe this was shot by either LE or Military but not positive. I have also purchased some that wasn't crimped but the pockets were so small that I had to swag the primer pockets so the primers would fit. I believe most of the non-crimped are commerial ammo and the crimped are military but I would call and ask first if you plan to reload it.

TonyAngel
June 22, 2010, 04:27 PM
I shot up a bunch of PMC .223 a while back. I got it for under $6 a box, so I picked up a bunch of it. At $7 a box, I don't know. I just picked up a mess of M193 on stripper clips for around $7 and change for 20. At that price, I'd rather go with the M193, just because it is 5.56 spec, rather than .223.

I do have to say that the PMC is good ammo (although loaded to .223 spec) and in my rifles it's actually a bit more accurate than M193 is. Really, M193 was never meant to give more than 2 or 3 MOA accuracy anyway, but it sure makes a mess.

At $7 a box, I'd pass on the PMC stuff. I'd either spend a bit more on the M193 or go way cheaper and get the Silver Bear stuff at under $5 a box. Of course, the Silver Bear is steel cased.

Boba Fett
June 22, 2010, 05:11 PM
I've used (and still do use) PMC and found it to be good stuff. No issues with their handgun or rifle ammo.

If you want something a little cheaper, check out the Hornady TAP training 5.56. I have heard good things about it from THR folks so I ordered some. It arrived the other day and I just haven't had a chance to go the range with it. It looks very nice. I hope to go shoot some of it this weekend.

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/index.php?cPath=24_83_105&sort=2a&filter_id=18

500 rounds for $139.95

PMC = 35 cents per round
Hornady TAP Training = 28 cents per round

ThePunisher'sArmory
June 22, 2010, 05:14 PM
I may have to try some. Im realy not a fan of steel case. The only steel case I have is some Wolf Military Classic Steel Core. You know for just in case use. Im a fan of UMC but ive been buying it for $10 a box so $7 is quite a bit better. I may end up just recycling the brass with my .22lr spent cases. Unless someone wants to buy some once fired cases. Yellow brass is worth $2 a pound around here.

ThePunisher'sArmory
June 22, 2010, 05:17 PM
I normaly dont order ammo online since I have to jump through hoops here in this socialist state of illinois. But I may try some of that tap stuff if I can find it. One question though is that tap training steel case?

Boba Fett
June 22, 2010, 05:25 PM
Yup, it is steel case.

From the ammunitiontogo.com website:
This is .223 Hornady TAP 55gr. Full Metal Jacket Boat Tail Ammo. This ammo features the Hornady 55gr. FMJ-BT copper jacketed (non-magnetic) bullet. This Hornady .223 TAP ammunition compliments the current TAP carbine duty rounds by delivering comparable, yet economical ammunition for law enforcement training. Due to efficient production processes and quality lacquer-coated steel cases, Hornady ammunition delivers reliable functioning, accuracy, and point of aim / point of impact consistency, when compared to comparable duty rounds. These Hornady ammunition loads are dependable and cost effective products that provide an outstanding supplement to the current Hornady TAP product line. This ammo has a muzzle velocity of 3100fps and comes packed in 50rd boxes, 500rds to a case

TonyAngel
June 22, 2010, 05:29 PM
I completely forgot about the Tap Training ammo. Yes, it is steel cased, but from what I understand, they are loaded by Hornady using their projectiles and chosen powder, although I THINK that they are getting the primed cases from Barnaul.

There's no reason to shy away from steel cased ammo. It doesn't hurt anything and any rifle that is running right shouldn't have a problem.

I was at the range a few weeks ago and a guy had some of the 55gr and some of the 75gr. His AR was actually grouping tighter with the steel cased Hornady 75gr than it was with the Prvi 75gr. I meant to give some a try, but forgot about it until I saw the above post.

ThePunisher'sArmory
June 22, 2010, 07:34 PM
Well I found some PMC at my local shop for $6.50 so I bought 100 rounds of it well see how my Savage 110 Tactical and Bushmaster like them. The only reason I shy away from steel is the fact that alot of companys "seal" their steel with a lacqure. When the chamber heats up Its hard to get completely clean. My bushy eats it just fine and I clean after every outing but still am just weary about it.

Justin
June 22, 2010, 07:41 PM
I've shot .223 PMC and reloaded the cases and had uniformly good experiences with both the ammo and the brass.

ThePunisher'sArmory
June 22, 2010, 07:45 PM
Yah I looked at all the primers none are crimped so it will stay out of the recycle bin. And get reloaded. What recipe did you use to reload them (primer, powder/amount, and projectile/weight). Im going to be using it mainly in a Bushmaster M4 14.5" barrel with 1 in 9 twist.

possum
June 23, 2010, 08:22 AM
pmc is great ammo, and i have had zero issues at all with it. also many people in the training community have been using pmc ammo in high round count carbine courses without issue.

DIM
June 23, 2010, 09:03 AM
I found that PMC brass head stamped PSD in 308 is one of the best I ever used to reload, for the exception of Lapua of course :-) Just wish they would sell their brass separately and uncrimped...

Guns and more
June 23, 2010, 09:44 AM
I've used PMC Bronze in .380 and .223 and I've had no problems with it. For Ammo made in Korea, it is comparable to US made.
FMJ and Brass.

ssyoumans
June 23, 2010, 01:49 PM
PMC Bronze 55gr FMJ (PMC223A) was significantly slower than the competition out of my 16" S&W M&P.
PMC bronze: 2760fps, 931 ft-lbs
Federal 55gr FMJ (walmart, $40/100): 2980fps, 1085 ft-Lbs
Fiocchi 55gr FmJ, 2826fps, 976 ft-lbs
Wolf 55gr FMJ, 2882fps, 1015 ft-lbs
And the Hottest, cheap 55 FMJ, Winchester white box USA 5.56: 3096fps, 1171 ft-lbs

Hatterasguy
June 23, 2010, 05:05 PM
I shoot it all the time, its about equal to Winchester White box. Not the hotest, or latest and greatest, but it is reliable. I have never had a missfire with PMC.


I really don't like UMC its freaken dirty.


In 5.56 I buy mostly American Eagle XM193.

redbullitt
June 23, 2010, 11:43 PM
I have a few boxes left for the 270 that shot amazingly out of that rifle lol. Surprised the heck out of me.

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