Changing Home Defense Tactics, need to maintain a safe environment


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DustyVermonter
June 22, 2010, 12:43 PM
What is your go-to HD gun and why? What is the criteria in which it is employed? As of lately I have been keeping my Glock 17 loaded with 15 rounds at my bedside while my other guns sit in the safe 6 feet away. I'm sure there has been some debate as to whether it is safe/unsafe to keep loaded weapons in your house but I do and always will. I have felt comfortable keeping my G17 loaded with 15 rounds in the mag up until now but as my 1 and 1/2 year old will be switching from her crib to a bed in a month or two I am going to have to switch tactics. I have a variety of weapons such as assault rifles, shotguns, full size and compact pistols but I am very confident with my glock and its abilities combined with mine. I do have a lockbox about the size of a shoebox but I am not comfortable with the idea of fiddling around with keys under stress in a tense situation. I would like to find a strategy that's not based on my daughter's capabilities as I would have to change tactics pretty much everyday. Any safety tips and suggestions would be of great help. Thanks

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mljdeckard
June 22, 2010, 12:53 PM
I believe in using overwhelming force. I don't believe in bring a knife to a gunfight. I certainly don't ever want myself to be evenly matched in ANY fight. I want to use overwhelming force to stop the guy who is trying to kill me. If the bad guy has a pistol, I want a Rifle. If he has a rifle, I want a machine gun. If he has a machine gun, I want a tank. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

Your plan will always be centered around your kids. I have a child with a disability who is so crafty I can't keep up with him. The level of security vs accessibility I have used until now will no longer work. What kept my other kids out of my guns won't keep him out, so I need to make a change. Before I used a shotgun, no round in the chamber, slide locked. My backup is an M-1 carbine with magazines in a pouch on the butt. I will likely hang the shotgun over the inside of the closet door and leave it secret and keep everything else locked up.

You have to give a hard look and see what is truly safe in your house with your kids.

Frank Ettin
June 22, 2010, 01:30 PM
We have loaded guns secured around the house. They are in lock boxes with key touch combination locks that can be opened very quickly without looking. The lock boxes are bolted in easily accessible but hidden places. Each one contains a loaded gun, extra ammunition and a Surefire flashlight.

In this way, we have ready guns quickly available to my wife and I, but still secure from unauthorized access. While we have no children, I don't see any reason to make our guns available to visitors.

shockwave
June 22, 2010, 01:35 PM
What is your go-to HD gun and why? What is the criteria in which it is employed?

The closest weapon to the bed is the 686+P with Corbon DPX. If I roll over once I'm on the floor next to it and it's trained on the doorway within 3 to 5 seconds. A second .357 with the same ammo will be in position for crossfire on the same target. That's if awoken and sounds of intrusion.

For sounds of attempted entry, something suspicious outdoors, something going on in the street, etc., the shotgun is the preferred weapon for firepower and the tac-lite. The brightest point of the beam is the POA. So I'm following the "use handgun to fight your way to the long gun" school of HD. There is no anticipated problem the 5 rounds of #1 buck can't handle, but there are 6 more 00 buck onboard for reloading.

Nobody else in the house and neighbors are fairly far away so I have a clear field of fire with safe backstop in most directions. The presence of a child in your case makes things more complicated. The guns must be kept safe and you have to keep her out of lines of fire. A bedside gunsafe with a simple opening mechanism makes a lot of sense. The risk of a toddler finding the gun is higher than the risk of an intruder.

A light or laser on the handgun might be smart to ensure target ID and aimpoint.

Hawthorne2k
June 22, 2010, 01:39 PM
Primary is my daily carry pistol, which I usually wear when I'm in the house as well as outside and then lock in a GunVault safe at night.

Secondary is a CZ-82 in a Gunvault safe on the lower floor.

Tertiary is a Mossberg 500 in the master bedroom closet with a Masterlock combination trigger lock on it, loaded with #4's and a half-dozen slugs on a side-saddle shell holder. The master bedroom is our safe room, and if the shotgun and my carry gun can't handle things, the next step is use a cell phone to call in an airstrike. :)

I have two small boys and they know not to touch my guns, but I cannot take the chance that their curiosity may one day conquer their instruction. I have the GunVault Deluxe Mini, and I like it quite a lot. Yes, there is the fact that in a stress situation, a safe may be harder to open than a nightstand drawer, but I practice drawing and firing in semi-stress environments when I shoot USPSA so I practice opening the safe under a timer as well.

Coolbreeze8804
June 22, 2010, 01:50 PM
My kids are both teenagers that shoot. a lot. they aren't an issue for us. However, they have friends, SOOOOO, never a weapon left unattended. Everything stays in the safe until attended. My night gun sleeps in a neat little under the pillow affair, the name of which escapes me right now, so that it's not on the nightstand. My big nightmare is someone coming in the house, walking up to my bed while I'm still sleeping and clueless, and picking up my weapon to use on me and mine. It stays UNDER the pillow in it's holster gizmo so it's free to my hand, but no other.
We have several of the electronic single pistol safes throughout the house for issues that may occur when we aren't in the bed and don't happen to be carrying.

Cosmoline
June 22, 2010, 01:51 PM
No kids to worry about at home, so my at-hand firearm these days it an M39 Mosin-Nagant. Load is usually 4 rounds of mid range soft points, none in the chamber, closed bolt. Even stuck a little tactical light on it with a temporary mount.

Alternate is the Win 94 BB in .450 Marlin, loaded with relatively light hollow points.

For the office I mounted an under-desk safe to stow my carry piece. It's working fantastic.

mbt2001
June 22, 2010, 02:17 PM
I have two Rossi snub 38's (one is actually a .357) in each bedside drawer and a Smith 6903 9mm that is a "roving gun" meaning it is in the room that I am in. I keep it in a holster, in a pistol rug. I keep the 9mm loaded in condition 3, meaning I have to rack the slide to go to town. I also have a 12gauge shotgun under the bed. The 38's are loaded with 110 grain winchester silver tips and the 9mm is loaded with 115 grain Hydrashocks. The 12gauge isn't loaded, but I have 00 and #4 at hand to feed it.

Keeping auto loaded in condition 1, in an off body carry system is not responsible. There are too many hands manipulating the gun. If you want to keep a condition 1 gun around, and carry it off body, make it a revolver. That is of course my opinion.

sherman123
June 22, 2010, 02:41 PM
I'd say the best solution is to carry the GLOCK on your hip although it might be a little too big for CCW. My HD strategy consists of mindset, tactics, locks on the doors, and a j frame in my pocket plus a 5 shot speedloader which follows me around all day including when sleeping. If I wake up at night to a break-in, all I have to do is reach in my pocket.

Fosters
June 22, 2010, 02:47 PM
I just recieved my GunVault 1000 Deluxe yesterday. We have a 9 year old and 2 year - the 2 year old is pretty curious, so the GunVault is for him (and me).

Everything else is locked up pretty well, so the handgun stored in the little safe will have to cover my family (well along with some help from the Akita).

Josh

DustyVermonter
June 22, 2010, 02:55 PM
I have considered a revolver for HD as it can be easily manipulated under stress, the only quams I have about it are capacity, its a 5 shot taurus snub nose .38. If for some reason I had to venture outside I wouldn't have much range or capacity, for that I don't consider it for home defense. That is why I currently employ the glock for the HD role. It has supperior capacity and although not as simple as a revolver, it has minimal bells and whistles so all I have to do is rack the slide. I currently have 15 Hornady TAP 124gr hollowpoints and am confident that they would get the job done. I also have Hornady critical defense 115gr with FTX bullets and is a toss up for me as to which to keep in it, I guess its just personal prefference. Would anybody advise against keeping the mag loaded to full capacity (17rds)? Also, just an added note tell me if this is a good deal or what, I paid $13.00 per 25 Round box of the Hornady TAP and $17.00 per 25 Round box of the Hornady Critical Defense FTX. Also, for .45acp I paid $15.00 per box of Hornady TAP 230gr hollowpoints. Just thought I'd add that as I thought it was the deal of the century, picked up a few boxes of each.

Sav .250
June 22, 2010, 02:56 PM
Anyone with kids has to be careful that`s for sure. Not sure what the answer is but continued "teaching" is part of the solution and as they get older, they better understand your bottom line.......this is not a toy. Don`t touch!
If you can`t control your kids, I hope your a pacifist. Then you don`t need a weapon. Problem solved.........:)

DustyVermonter
June 22, 2010, 03:05 PM
I lucked out as for the acquisition of my safe, my mother in law is a little hoplaphobic and thinks guns are evil so for my 21st birthday she bought me a $600 gun vault. It worked out great for me but I seriously think it was more or less for her peace of mind. Trust me she would never contibute to my addiction, in support of it anyway. He he

DustyVermonter
June 22, 2010, 03:09 PM
She came over for dinner with me and my wife one time and the place looked like an army barracks. Next time I saw her around my B-day she had a big box with a bow on it, whaddya know, it was a gun safe

DustyVermonter
June 22, 2010, 03:17 PM
My main philosophy is that kids who are familiar-ized with guns and know exactly how they work and how to take them apart and clean them, the better off they are. I will be doing this with my daughter as soon as she can pick both ends of the rifle off the floor. I believe that ignorance and curiosity is the leading factor of 'accidents'. I plan to make my child understand these things ASAP, The kids who are just told NO!!! You NEVER EVER EVER touch guns!!! get curious and have accidents. I just need to make them inaccessible until she is able to understand guns inside and out, of course they will never just be layin around.

hammerklavier
June 22, 2010, 03:22 PM
I agree with the above, except at the age you're talking about (1 1/2 years) up to about 4, I think the rule needs to be don't touch. And don't keep one in the pipe, just in case. Later, familiarize the kid as he/she is ready and becomes interested, and becomes a little more responsible and able to follow directions.

sidheshooter
June 22, 2010, 03:29 PM
Sounds like you've answered your own question. You are confident with the G17, no reason to goof with a good thing. The cool thing about the larger size gunvault brand box is that you can also stash a spare mag, a flashlight and a kydex holster with a belt clip, so you can suit up if time permits.

DustyVermonter
June 22, 2010, 03:32 PM
J-frame in your pocket with a speed loader in the other? I just imagine that would not be the most comfortable, safest method but if it works for you, very well. As I said I do have the snub-nose .38 and it actually has a lock just below the hammer but then again I'd have to be screwin around with a key.

Rock Island
June 22, 2010, 03:41 PM
I live alone way out in the sticks, if I blow a few holes in the walls I will fix them later. I use a .357 Magnum, Winchester Model 1897 Trench gun ( the real thing not some Chinese copy) and my M14 if need be, What I grab depends on the threat, it's not getting in without noise, I have made sure of that. My revolver lives very close so I grab that first, then the trench gun. I am fast with that trench gun, anybody who owns one knows what I mean, whatever it is will be dead. If I have to go to the M14 while still in the house something serious bad has happened in the world. That's about as far as I will go talking about my personal security on any forum, computer or public. Like the man said about overwhelming force, if it comes for me I am going to open up with everything I have and not stop until the last twitch is gone from it's body.

DustyVermonter
June 22, 2010, 03:41 PM
I totally forgot that my 1911 .45 has an ILS on it, I guess I'd have to compromise ease of manipulation for safety, at least for the next 6 yrs or so as far as a bedside gun goes. I wouldn't mind keeping a couple ILS keys in my pocket as opposed to the J-frame. I guess I'm gonna have to make some compromises, and the .45 aint too bad of a compromise. I got tremendous respect for the .45, I just like 9mm better for lots of reasons.

DustyVermonter
June 22, 2010, 03:46 PM
Is there some feature on the 'real' trench gun that makes it inherently faster than any modern day pump? Cuz I can empty my pump in quite a hurry

DustyVermonter
June 22, 2010, 03:52 PM
Believe me if I lived alone I too would have guns loaded for bear but ever since I started a family a whole new responsible side of me just kind of clawed its way through. I do envy you in a way because I could have quite a set-up up here because I too live off in the middle of nowhere with lots of cover. But I am very happy with my current set up and am happy with the compromise.

sm
June 22, 2010, 03:57 PM
My concerns have always been: leaving a structure, entering a structure and answering the door.
This includes, not limited to, getting into/exiting a vehicle, or other conveyance.

So how would I take me down, if I were a criminal?


Firearm(s)? This is the easy part.

Rock Island
June 22, 2010, 04:04 PM
No trigger disconnector on the '97, it will fire each time you work the slide and hold the trigger down. Five rounds in the tube, and one up the pipe, I can slamfire that gun empty in seconds, all six rounds, it's the fastest shotgun I own, light years faster than my other pumps and even my Beretta A 300 semi auto.

mbt2001
June 22, 2010, 06:43 PM
I have considered a revolver for HD as it can be easily manipulated under stress, the only quams I have about it are capacity, its a 5 shot taurus snub nose .38. If for some reason I had to venture outside I wouldn't have much range or capacity, for that I don't consider it for home defense.

I didn't say that you keep 0 auto's. I said that keeping auto's in condition one, off body carry, is irresponsible. There should be plenty of other accessible weapons in case the needs of the moment change. That doesn't mean that each one needs to be fully loaded with one in the chamber. Have a few reliable revolvers ready for response and then other weapons is the way to go IMO.

There are VERY few ND of a revolver. With auto's it happens all the time.

My concerns have always been: leaving a structure, entering a structure and answering the door.
This includes, not limited to, getting into/exiting a vehicle, or other conveyance.

So how would I take me down, if I were a criminal?


Firearm(s)? This is the easy part.

+1

The oracle has spoken... :)

DustyVermonter
June 22, 2010, 09:48 PM
Quote: "No trigger disconnect on the '97,it will fire each time you work the slide and hold the trigger down"

Boy, I like the sounds of that!!! How much would one of these cost nowadays, original and commie-copy?

Dacoda
June 23, 2010, 12:58 AM
I know kids get pretty curious, but when I saw this in a shotgun news, I thought it was neat. Out of sight, out of mind.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/hexagon-hide-a-gun-clock.aspx?a=563159&pn=1

Fred Fuller
June 23, 2010, 09:39 AM
Given the persistence of discussion about Hardware and not Software, this one is better suited to General...

lpl

Deanimator
June 23, 2010, 09:51 AM
I live in a small, cramped apartment with a lot of stuff in it, so a long gun is nearly worthless here unless you have nothing else.

I have a Concealed Handgun License (CHL), so I've almost always got a handgun on me or nearby.

I have no children, so I don't have to worry about people playing with loaded firearms when I'm not looking. One or two handguns are always out, with everything else, including long guns in the safe.

Use what suits YOUR particular situation.

Deanimator
June 23, 2010, 09:52 AM
Quote: "No trigger disconnect on the '97,it will fire each time you work the slide and hold the trigger down"
An Ithaca Model 37 will do the same thing, depending upon the particular model.

The Deer Slayer Police Special (which I have) will.
The Military & Police won't.

ForumSurfer
June 23, 2010, 10:34 AM
I have a crafty 7 year old and an 11 year old the sleep walks. Both are well trained in safety. My 11 year old actually nit picks adults and family outings if we end up shooting skeet or plinking. I've had family members get upset when he does this and criticize me for letting him politely critique safety techniques. I tell them they shouldn't be so careless around my child, to the point that he critiques them.

Still, they have friends, so all guns stay locked up. I keep a shoe box sized gunvault in my nightstand for my daily ccw piece.

It stays UNDER the pillow in it's holster gizmo so it's free to my hand, but no other.

I like the idea of that, but I have migraines from time to time and the medication gives me vivid dreams if taken before bedtime. I've woken up on the wrong end of the bed, the floor and I've even sat up and carried on incoherent conversations with my girlfriend while sound asleep. She learned to just let me go when I do this. She tried to wake me once. I was dreaming about a guy that was trying to choke her and rip her clothes off. When she put her hand on my shoulder to wake me, my mind must have been in "fight or flight" mode because I right crossed her so hard she fell out of bed and had a black eye for a week. :banghead: I've since switched meds under the doc's prescription but the vivid dreams, restless tossing and talking persists. I don't think it would be a good idea to sleep in such a manner with a gun under my pillow. :uhoh: I feel safer using a safe that requires me to be 90% coherent (fingertip combination job) to open.

Gouranga
June 23, 2010, 04:07 PM
Primary HD gun M&P 40 FS. It is always on me when awake. When in bed, I got one of those 1/4 circle corner shelves from Home Depot. it is 6 ft up the wall and my gun sits up there. Do not want little ones to reach it if they wander in at night.

Secondary, Remington 1100 12 gauge full loaded in the safe that my wife can get to and open in the dark rather quickly. On top of that we have a large canine speed bump which will go off before the home alarm does and buy us some time as well.

Another thing I do, I have bright exterior lighting (100 watt equivalent CF lighting) and the inside is kept dark, easy to see out, not so easy to see in.

vynx
June 23, 2010, 05:29 PM
If I had a young child in the house, I would go for a handgun with multiple safety features just to be extra safe.

I would have my gun out when I go to sleep but you never know when a little one will get up and start exploring.

I would look at a semi auto with a manual safety and maybe a grip safety also. I would think a child under 4 would have a hard time taking the safety off and holdng a grip safety down at the same time.

I know you are going to teach them no to touch and everything else but with little ones you can't be too safe. In my opinion.

bri
June 23, 2010, 06:17 PM
I've got a microvault on each floor, one in the bedstand with loaded handgun, light and extra magazine / speed strip. I mounted a 870 on the wall in our family's safe room, using the mossberg loc-box.

I feel like I have my bases covered as best I can with a 3 year old and one on the way...

1911Tuner
June 23, 2010, 06:23 PM
My nightstand gun is a Model 10 Smith and standard velocity 158-grain lead SWC. There's also a short barrelled 12 gauge coach gun close by.

Rock...If ya think the Model 97 is fast...try a Model 12. ;)

Defense Minister
June 23, 2010, 11:30 PM
I keep a handgun in a GunVault. Access is very quick without the need for keys, and I have been using mine for about 10 years without any problems. To increase your access speed in the night, you could punch in the code when you go to bed, leaving it open as you sleep, and then close it during the day if the gun remains there. Personally, I feel this approach leaves too much room for an accident, but you have to weigh that out for yourself.

Also, if you want to keep a long gun handy for HD as well, choose something that is magazine fed, and keep a loaded mag in the GunVault, along with your loaded handgun. You'll just have to find what works for you, but I highly recommend putting safety ahead of quick access.

FAS1
June 24, 2010, 12:38 PM
I keep a G17 with night sights in one of our boxes mounted to the bed frame. When you make the bed it is covered.

Link to 25% discount:http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=459871

sm
June 24, 2010, 04:55 PM
1911Tuner wrote:

My nightstand gun is a Model 10 Smith and standard velocity 158-grain lead SWC

Like I said, the firearm stuff is easy.

Now I used both Model 10 and Model 64's with 3" barrels being my preference with with Standard Velocity 158 grain lead semi wadcutters (no hollow point) for not only a dedicated home/office gun, also for CCW.

Like I said before, My concerns have been entering/exiting a structure and answering the door.
Oh, and getting to and from a conveyance. (Personal vehicle, taxi. Limo, bus...)

I have always been and always will be, a believer in dedicated .38spls and this standard pressure 158 gr loading.



I knew I liked that Tuner fella, he gots good tastes in gun-n-loads...*grin*

1911Tuner
June 24, 2010, 06:27 PM
Now I used both Model 10 and Model 64's with 3" barrels being my preference with with Standard Velocity 158 grain lead semi wadcutters (no hollow point) for not only a dedicated home/office gun, also for CCW.

Yup. Yup. An underrated pistole' and ammo combo that's probably settled more issues than any other when it gets up close and personal. I also like the standard "Pencil" barrel for the balance and Magna stocks and the way they position the gun in my hand in a hurry for point-shoulder/point-index shootin'. Reckon that makes me and sm dinosaurs in this day of fire breathin' magnums and doublestack wonder nines and the like. One of the most wicked, deadly men with a handgun I ever saw carried a Model 10 or a Victory Model and nothing else for nearly 60 years. You would not want to put that particular old man in a corner and make him nervous. He could make that little revolver appear out of thin air.

Where ya been hidin' at, Steve?

DustyVermonter
June 25, 2010, 03:57 PM
I would never underestimate the effectiveness of a good ol' .38spl, I would probably carry mine more if I had known a little bit more at the time I bought it. I wasn't to inquisitive at the time and bought a five shot taurus at a fair price instead of the 6 shot smith airweiight I planned on getting. For me 6 rounds is the bare minimum for CCW and bedside. It does serve as a great purse gun for the little lady when I'm accompanying her, trail gun , truck gun, backup, etc...

inSight-NEO
June 25, 2010, 07:04 PM
My "go to" gun would be the one closest to me (usually my XD40). Of course, when at home, I also unlock the shotgun and ensure that it is never more than 8 feet away. In terms of the safe, at night, I remove the XD40 and leave my wifes loaded 9mm (with the safe open).

Now, I used to keep a Sig P220 (w/night sights) for HD, but this gun has been since relegated to an "occasional" shooter. Not because it is a bad gun, not at all. Rather, its due to the fact that my .40 simply has a higher capacity.

Now, in terms of "tactics," it really depends. If I have the time, I would certainly grab the shotgun. But, given that I live in relatively tight quarters, I may feel a bit more "mobile" with a handgun, should I feel like "exploring." Hence, I generally think of my shotgun as a "barricade"/"come and get me" type weapon.

Also, I have tried implementing night lights throughout the home, thus making sure things are well lit and in essence, avoiding the "need" for a weapon mounted light.

Regardless, I keep all of my "regularly used" weapons loaded. During the day, they are all locked up. As soon as I get home, I unlock both the shotgun and handgun safe. Of course, I do not have to worry about children yet. This would change everything.

In terms of children (at least very, very young children) all I can really offer is to always be aware of the weapons location and state, along with being as aware as possible of the childs location at all times. Given that your child is quite young, you still have a decent amount of options. But, if it would help, maybe try keeping the weapon on a nearby, yet elevated surface at night (outside of the childs reach, of course). This could also be implemented pretty much anytime you are at home (given no influx of guests, I suppose).

Of course, at least until you go to bed, you may also consider simply keeping the weapon on your person. This may sound extreme, but I personally know many "dads" that have chosen to do just this.

JoeSlomo
June 25, 2010, 07:54 PM
Primary: M4
Sidearm: 1911

The same kit I used throughout my career.

sm
June 26, 2010, 03:24 PM
Having a home gun, that the smallest person, or one physically limited, that might have to employ it, can effectively use.

I personally know of too many members here on Staff, including Moderators, some with many hours of training that subscribe to this line of reasoning.

Small is not used in the derogatory context. Small may be just being small in stature such as a wife, teenager or even grandparent.

Physically Limited is not used in the derogatory context either.
(I do not choose to use the word "handicapped".) Nor does it apply only to someone with permanent limits.

i.e. Recovering from minor surgery, such as emergency appendectomy. Unexpected accidents, such as sprains, burns, cuts, etc.
Another often overlooked situation is that of expectant mothers.
Add, as one ages, arthritis can give a person some days as not as good as others.



This includes having a .22 rim-fire, in the event, one or a member of family, suffers a detached retina, or undergoes neck/back/shoulder surgery, and there is imposed, NO RECOIL orders from Physician, Surgeon and Physical Therapist.


The revolver, is a proven firearm. The .22 rim-fire allows one to get the correct basic fundamentals down, and these transfer to the center fire revolver.

i.e. Model 18s were used for training and practice, for officers using issued Model 10's.
Ditto for similar offerings by Colt.


Set-ups & Lessons
Today ya'll call these stages and training.

I still do as mentors shared with me.

I have done this at rim-fire matches, and center-fire matches.

First off, I don't do a timer, for a start, nor do I care for a time.
[This rattles folks from the get-go]

Gun is unloaded, as are speed loaders and magazines.
Shooter gets a sock, or similar, on weak hand.

Now some kind of threat is introduced.

Lesson(s):

What is the earliest signal they can pick up on?
How do they deal with the threat?
Did they survive the threat?

Often times the threat is one, that "gun" is not the best answer.
Often times the person ends up "dead" as they did not pick up a signal at all, or early enough. They immediately went to "gun".

Hint: It is much easier to make a revolver "hot", even if one handed. If nothing else, grabbing gun and ammo and stuffing in pocket for "in case" and being able to charge cylinders if need while at a "safe distance" or "taking prudent steps".

i.e.
I "may have" introduced the threat Fire. *wink*
So "gun" may not be the best tool. Still there is no harm in grabbing the Model 10 and six loose rounds as one deals with the threat of fire.

i.e. One set-up was the gun having to be separate from ammo on a trip, as the area just traveled through, was NO GUN. Ammo could not be in a magazine, or speed-loader or speed-strip.
As the occupant, injured, you had to deal with a threat at a Rest Stop.


I grew up with Veterans of Conflicts, and Polio Victims and "Interesting Persons".

There was no 911.
Heck, many folks did not have their own phone line, instead shared a "party-line".

Folks were self reliant, as they had to be. With chain gangs doing work, and correction facilities and railroad stops and...The nearest law enforcement person, might be on the other side of the county....

Will Fennel says: Focus on the target, not the equipment.

Well I was raised we focused on what threats there might be, and took prudent steps to allow us the earliest signal(s). Prevention plays a huge part in all this too.

Firearms, were whatever we had. Just we did "Set-Ups & Lessons" to replicate what HAD happened, and What Might happen.

Software not hardware.

Mindset, skillsets, then tool sets...

smince
June 26, 2010, 04:56 PM
Why only 15 rounds in your G17? It will hold 3 more...

DustyVermonter
June 27, 2010, 12:36 AM
Quote: "why only 15 rounds in your G17? It will hold 3 more."

I guess I figured since I keep it loaded 24/7 It would be a little more forgiving on the springs. I have heard it is bad to keep a loaded gun but didn't know if that was more geared toward "safety" or functionality. I have a little orange marker on the mag I keep loaded so I know which one has the worn spring.

I plan to buy more factory mags soon, would it make since to keep one or two designated mags loaded? Would I risk failure of any kind having mags loaded to capacity for prolonged periods, 24/7? I never got any feedback on this, it would be nice to know, if so ill load the other 2rds now. The other mag too for that matter.

smince
June 27, 2010, 05:13 AM
Keeping the mags fully loaded does no harm.

The most common malfunctions caused by are easily fixed by changing the mag, so having a loaded spare makes sense, IMO.

I like a minimum of 4-6 magazines for any gun I own. Currently I own 3 Glocks and have 38 mags between them.

DustyVermonter
June 27, 2010, 04:24 PM
Quote:" Currently I own 3 glocks and have 38 mags between them"
Holy!!! I don't know if I need 13 mags for my G17 but I sure would like to. Ill probably buy 4 more factory mags and 2 33 rounders, that oughta do it.

Coolbreeze8804
June 27, 2010, 04:32 PM
My understanding of the physics behind spring wear is that it is not the compression that wears them out, it is compression and release cycles that wear them out. So theoretically, you are fine to load them all the way up and just leave them. That shouldn't cause any wear. It's the loading and unloading that does them in...

smince
June 27, 2010, 04:53 PM
Holy!!! I don't know if I need 13 mags for my G17 but I sure would like to. Ill probably buy 4 more factory mags and 2 33 rounders, that oughta do it.I remember the AWB of '94 when standard capacity Glock mags were selling for about $100 each, so I try to plan accordingly.

Tacbandit
June 27, 2010, 05:16 PM
Quote: by Dacoda
"I know kids get pretty curious, but when I saw this in a shotgun news, I thought it was neat. Out of sight, out of mind.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/c...?a=563159&pn=1

+1 on that...they also have photo frames as well...
http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=407947
They even have one that is long gun length, I believe...

killchain
June 27, 2010, 06:18 PM
Right next to my head on the night stand my Kel-Tec sits. It goes wherever I go, so if I'm in the living room watching TV, it's on the table in front of me, etc.

I keep the spare key for the safe in the lock when my wife and myself are home. That way it can be flipped open easy and the rifles and shotguns can be had. She would grab the shotgun, I'd grab the AR15.

We don't have kids yet. It's gonna be a headache when we do... childproofing everything. Hahaha.

DustyVermonter
June 27, 2010, 08:44 PM
I was shooting my .38 today for the first time in about a year and change. I am sure I have become a better shot since then and was actually pretty impressed with myself, that's saying a lot coming out of my mouth. I was able to be paper plate accurate at about 30ft, I am sure some of the people here can shoot the balls off a mosquito at 30ft but its quite an improvement for me. That said I am going to find a way to incorporate m .38spl into my defense strategy, primarilly my G17 will be the first thing I grab no matter what, as its never more than a couple feet away.
I was thinking about this earlier...Honestly the 12ga shotgun and the .38spl seriously trump any weapons known to man in 'Up close and personal' defense scenario's, especially home defense. For some reason after reading these post's and shooting my revolver recently, I have a whole new found respect for my .38spl and am seeing it for what it really is...a 110% effective, reliable defensive 'tool'. It completely vanishes on my waist, packs a helluva punch and is never to be overlooked again. Thank u posters who helped me resurect it from the safe.

Tacbandit
June 28, 2010, 11:17 AM
And one more...for the long gun.....
http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=590224

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