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Friendly, Don't Fire!
June 24, 2010, 05:02 PM
http://www.readytodefend.com/frontsight/

Some pretty clever signage and stickers!

http://www.readytodefend.com/frontsight/bmz_cache/2/2a9c58d8c72b216f13e81a421457e4ac.image.150x204.jpg

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JoeMal
June 24, 2010, 05:05 PM
Wow these are cool...thinking about getting the window decals just for laughs

rmfnla
June 24, 2010, 05:07 PM
I dunno; to me it looks like a sign saying, "I have guns so break in while I'm away."

I prefer more of a stealth mode, if you will.

CoRoMo
June 24, 2010, 05:08 PM
When I saw the thread title, I thought, "Oh boy, another pacifist who's not willing to defend his family".

Glad I was wrong.:o

Friendly, Don't Fire!
June 24, 2010, 05:09 PM
I dunno; to me it looks like a sign saying, "I have guns so break in while I'm away."

I prefer more of a stealth mode, if you will.
You do have a point there!

JoeMal
June 24, 2010, 05:10 PM
I dunno; to me it looks like a sign saying, "I have guns so break in while I'm away."

I prefer more of a stealth mode, if you will. That's what I said in a recent NRA sticker thread...

alohachris
June 24, 2010, 05:12 PM
Surprise! Is a key factor in causing catastrophic failures of the victim selection process.

The sign assumes much, like

a) That the perp's can read and
b) If they cannot read, that they are intelligent enough to understand iconography.

Dimis
June 24, 2010, 05:18 PM
not to mention the lawyers field day with the "crazed gun owner looking for trouble" and public threats etc etc

Lee Roder
June 24, 2010, 05:21 PM
oops

indykappa
June 24, 2010, 05:25 PM
#1 - do bad guys just come up to the front door? i would imagine that this would work better by the rear door or near a garage

#2 - could this potentially bite you in the axx if you are forced to defend yourself in court? does it make the homeowner appear "trigger happy"?

#3 - i wouldn't use one for the same reasons i don't use window decals on my car. i don't want you to break in just to find out that there is nothing for the taking

#4 - i think it's a pretty cool sign :)

JoeMal
June 24, 2010, 05:29 PM
#3 - i wouldn't use one for the same reasons i don't use window decals on my car. i don't want you to break in just to find out that there is nothing for the taking

#4 - i think it's a pretty cool sign Pretty much. I was thinking about putting one on my ammo box or one of my hard cases

JoeSlomo
June 24, 2010, 05:32 PM
I dunno; to me it looks like a sign saying, "I have guns so break in while I'm away."

I prefer more of a stealth mode, if you will.

Agree.

Werewolf
June 24, 2010, 05:36 PM
#2 - could this potentially bite you in the axx if you are forced to defend yourself in court? does it make the homeowner appear "trigger happy"?


EXACTLY!

I'm in about as gun friendly a state as you can be. Someone breaks into your home and they die - well its really, really rare that the home owner is prosecuted.

But you couldn't pay me enough to put one of those signs in my yard or on my windows. It's almost like inviting them in so you can kill 'em. Even a pro-gun DA would have to question your motives for putting one of those signs up.

Those signs are about as silly as the CCW badges you see for sale online.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
June 24, 2010, 05:46 PM
You already have me convinced that this is a stupid idea in more ways than one!

I'm not hard to convince!:)

bannockburn
June 24, 2010, 05:48 PM
The only place I would put that sign is on my gun safe.

rattletrap1970
June 24, 2010, 05:57 PM
This is the sign on my house.

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac51/rattletrap1970/a89c7b26.jpg

CoRoMo
June 24, 2010, 06:04 PM
You left off census workers.:evil:

Victor1Echo
June 24, 2010, 06:23 PM
Nothing in my house is worth stealing!

brotus2
June 25, 2010, 12:37 AM
If you're found here tonight, you'll be found here tomorrow.

WCSO
June 25, 2010, 12:45 AM
Like anything of value in your house. Keep a low profile and don't advertise what is inside.

M2 Carbine
June 25, 2010, 01:45 AM
This has been in the window for longer than I can remember.
I look at this sign as a community service. It's a last reminder to the really stupid criminals.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Warning.jpg

As far as the warning sign thing, a good shoot is a good shoot and a sign isn't going to make one bit of difference.

As far as advertising to the criminals I have guns........"Of course he had a gun. This is Texas! Everybody has a gun. My florist has a gun!"

Zotter
June 25, 2010, 02:17 AM
Like the one my bud is look'n to make up.

"If you can read this, you're in range"

Fremmer
June 25, 2010, 02:26 AM
I agree. Nothing in your house is worth dying for.

metalman8600
June 25, 2010, 02:29 AM
It makes sense only for businesses, since the owner's gun won't be there when the store is closed.

Manco
June 25, 2010, 08:51 AM
You left off census workers.:evil:

And those pesky revenuers. :D

Deanimator
June 25, 2010, 08:56 AM
When I saw the thread title, I thought, "Oh boy, another pacifist who's not willing to defend his family".
I don't mind pacifists not willing to defend their families.

I mind "pacifists" willing to send men with guns to MY house to take away MY ability to defend MY family.

I fully support your right to make a stupid choice. I'll resist tooth and nail your trying to make that stupid choice for ME.

MariusDP51
June 25, 2010, 09:05 AM
If they cannot read, that they are intelligent enough to understand iconography.

Yeah, or pictures! ;-)

DinosaurJones
June 25, 2010, 09:38 AM
if nothing in your house is worth dying over... then i guess you won't put up much of a fight when i come to take it... right?

nope.

texas bulldog
June 25, 2010, 10:16 AM
I agree. Nothing in your house is worth dying for.

Well, that's a valid personal choice. In my case, my two kids and my wife are "in the house" and are well worth dying for if needed. The thing is...I don't intend to be the one shot in a home invasion scenario.

Beelzy
June 25, 2010, 10:19 AM
Personally, I like: Welcome!..Death is inside waiting for you!

TexasRifleman
June 25, 2010, 10:20 AM
"Of course he had a gun. This is Texas! Everybody has a gun. My florist has a gun!"

Wish I had that on a t-shirt, that's hilarious :)

Warhawk83
June 25, 2010, 10:28 AM
That's what I said in a recent NRA sticker thread...


In the NRA's PPITH course book, they even say NOT to have an NRA sticker on the windows of your house.

I do like the op's signage though...

WCSO
June 25, 2010, 10:31 AM
Well, that's a valid personal choice. In my case, my two kids and my wife are "in the house" and are well worth dying for if needed. The thing is...I don't intend to be the one shot in a home invasion scenario.

Amen to that!

Warhawk83
June 25, 2010, 10:35 AM
Amen to that, as I have the same situation. However, the sign is telling the crook there is nothing in the house that is worth HIM dying over, as in, stay out of my house.

Ringer
June 25, 2010, 10:38 AM
Originally Posted by M2 Carbine
"Of course he had a gun. This is Texas! Everybody has a gun. My florist has a gun!"
Wish I had that on a t-shirt, that's hilarious :)Sadly I must admit I know what movie that is from. One of the things subjected to with two daughters.

Back on topic. No signs outside my house. My favorite has always been "If you are found here at night -- you will be found here in the morning". Just wouldn't place one outside my home.

Fremmer
June 25, 2010, 11:24 AM
So eager to die for things in a house are you.

(That was supposed to sound like Yoda.)

Deltaboy
June 25, 2010, 11:30 AM
I just keep it low keyed now back in my Single days I would have bought and posted one of them on my door.

alohachris
June 25, 2010, 11:52 AM
I've seen signage on 'exclusive' or "wealthy' homes that read:

Tresspass Produces Armed Response
If you come over or through this fence, you may be shot.

CoRoMo
June 25, 2010, 12:04 PM
So eager to die for things in a house are you.
I wouldn't say 'eager', no. But 'quite willing' to put myself in harms way to protect the family and destroy evil.

offthepaper
June 25, 2010, 12:52 PM
I dunno; to me it looks like a sign saying, "I have guns so break in while I'm away."

I prefer more of a stealth mode, if you will.
__________________


Yep.

CDW4ME
June 25, 2010, 01:48 PM
#1 - do bad guys just come up to the front door? i would imagine that this would work better by the rear door or near a garage

#2 - could this potentially bite you in the axx if you are forced to defend yourself in court? does it make the homeowner appear "trigger happy"?

#3 - i wouldn't use one for the same reasons i don't use window decals on my car. i don't want you to break in just to find out that there is nothing for the taking

#4 - i think it's a pretty cool sign :)
+1

I like the signs. Would be fun to have on house.
However, I'm more low profile.
I would love to wear Glock logo clothing too, but I don't.

Doggy Daddy
June 25, 2010, 01:53 PM
#2 - could this potentially bite you in the axx if you are forced to defend yourself in court? does it make the homeowner appear "trigger happy"?


I can see the da's argument being "Well, if it's not worth dying for, why did you shoot him?"

DD

M2 Carbine
June 25, 2010, 02:09 PM
I can see the da's argument being "Well, if it's not worth dying for, why did you shoot him?"

Answer,
"It's not worth ME dying for but I place a lot lower value on a criminal's life."

As does the criminal. He decided that taking stuff is worth the risk of his being shot.

You have to be a special kind of idiot to be a thief in Texas. Within some limits we can use deadly force to protect or recover property.

Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property: .........................(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property...........................

armoredman
June 25, 2010, 02:19 PM
Best sign I saw years ago in Delta Press was a simple metal thing, English on top, Spanish below, and all it said was "If you come through this door you will be killed."
Bad juju to put it on an outside door, though, in todays lawyer infested world.

azyogi
June 25, 2010, 02:54 PM
On the back fence mine says 'Never mind the Dog, beware the owner.' as the dog in question is a brindle Great Dane/Mastiff mix it is cause for thought. His girlfriend and 9 puppies are in the house so whichever way they come in the dogs are still the least of their worries.

Tacbandit
June 25, 2010, 03:06 PM
What was the other old one.. "tresspassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again..."

buck460XVR
June 25, 2010, 07:31 PM
I dunno....at the price of those signs, :what:there already seems to be a crime committed.:scrutiny:

racine
June 25, 2010, 07:37 PM
I prefer stealth as well. No need to advertise so baddies can come prepared. One reason I've never used an NRA sticker but have been a long time member and supporter. I cringe when I see those stickers on cars ading for S&W, Ruger or HK, etc... Now a bad guy has an idea of what he can get his hands on if he's careful...

inSight-NEO
June 25, 2010, 07:57 PM
I dunno; to me it looks like a sign saying, "I have guns so break in while I'm away."

I prefer more of a stealth mode, if you will.

I can see the point. Stealth is always a good thing.

While I probably would not utilize such an item for the home, I am thinking about snagging a "window size" decal for my truck. If nothing else, it would make a great conversation piece! ;) A bit "redneck" perhaps, but from where I come from, we have these in abundance.

BTW- Nothing against "rednecks." They love beer, love trucks, love fighting and most of all, love guns. Whats not to like? ;)

miamiboy
June 26, 2010, 03:48 PM
I dunno; to me it looks like a sign saying, "I have guns so break in while I'm away."

I like the sign. I mean, with all those ADT or Brinks signs reading "Make sure you disable the alarm system before breaking in", the chances of being burglarized don't seem to be all that elevated.

BCC
June 26, 2010, 06:16 PM
Excluding family, nothing in my house is worth anyone dying over.

glockdriver
June 27, 2010, 02:15 AM
agreed

Kleanbore
June 27, 2010, 06:51 AM
One obvious translation: "Come Back Later for the Guns".

Targets in the trash can say the same thing. Discard them at the range.

I think things have deteriorated. When I was growing up, a friend's war trophy G43 rifle sat for many years on pegs so high on the wall that it could be seen above the drapes from a busy street. It was never touched by a burglar or thief. Today, I imagine it would disappear in three or four days.

TexasRifleman
June 27, 2010, 10:10 AM
I mean, with all those ADT or Brinks signs reading "Make sure you disable the alarm system before breaking in", the chances of being burglarized don't seem to be all that elevated.

I wonder about those alarm signs too.

Wonder if anyone has ever done a study of convicts to get some idea of the deterrent value of the alarm signs. Seems like there wouldn't be much but they litter all the neighborhoods around me. Seems like 75%+ of the houses have a couple of those signs.

I don't have one, wonder if the bad guys think my house is a better target? They would be very wrong. I have an alarm, I just have a teenage boy who ran over the sign with my lawnmower....

Jefpainthorse
June 27, 2010, 10:21 AM
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs279.snc3/28104_1409603074888_1076793567_1194949_1243150_s.jpg

Manco
June 27, 2010, 08:53 PM
I'm not sure what deterrent effect posting a security sign would have, but there was a string of burglaries in my suburban neighborhood a few years ago, and every house that was broken into had an ADT or Broadview sign out in front (about half of them do around here). :scrutiny: Each entry was made through the front door, some of which were unlocked (geez, I'm guessing that they didn't actually bother with the security system either :rolleyes: ), and the others were kicked in easily enough. None of these incidents were home invasions (i.e. with residents present), thank goodness, but more recently there was an attempted home invasion just a couple of houses away from mine, which was thwarted by the owner; it seemed that the would-be burglar had thought that the house was deserted and took off when he discovered otherwise. Yes, that house has a security sign, too. :confused:

While I have a minimal system that I installed myself, it's not monitored remotely by a security company, and I don't have any signage whatsoever in my front yard. A few months after the aforementioned string of burglaries, somebody tried to kick my front door in at around 2:30 am, but gave up after a bunch of attempts. All of my external doors were reinforced, and while this wouldn't have kept out somebody who was determined to get in at any cost, in this case it prevented a home invasion that probably would have ended with a lot of frazzled nerves and a dead or seriously injured burglar. It's hard to describe the layout, but I was waiting for him right by the door (I sleep lightly and my bedroom is not far from the door) and would have been able to attack him from behind had he successfully entered (he was alone, as far as I could see, but these guys do often operate in groups). I didn't own a gun at the time, but in all honesty I have great bat speed. :) Since then, I've further hardened my home against invasions and upgraded my armament, of course.

Obviously, I or other family members could have been killed, but all I remember thinking about at the time was beating the burglar's brains out before he even knew what hit him. Fortunately, I didn't have to do anything that night. I guess I got this trait from my mom, who also gets extremely aggressive when she's threatened. Trying to keep a long story reasonably short, back in the "old country" she got fed up with taking physical and verbal abuse from an older brother of hers (her mother had passed away and her father was away on business), and one day when he smacked her around again and threatened to kill her because his life apparently sucked so much, without a word she attacked him with a chair and beat him unconscious. When he woke up he was at knifepoint and now on the receiving end of similar threats, so he moved out of the house, joined the army, was reportedly captured by Communists, and was never heard from again. My mom was glad to be rid of him, and told me that he was very lucky to have escaped an even worse fate at her hands. :eek: It's funny how my life has to a large degree paralleled hers in certain ways, despite living in a very different country now. We never look for trouble, but it always manages to find us anyway, and all we can do is become more vicious and savage than our enemies whenever we're forced to.

Anyway, as for visual deterrents, since security signs don't seem to be particularly effective, at least from what I've seen, perhaps the following would make some burglars look elsewhere: ;)

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/safetycentral_2107_199598418

leadcounsel
June 27, 2010, 09:00 PM
I'd prefer a sign you can place in your UNARMED neighbors front yard! "I'm an unarmed victim!" :)

Zack
June 27, 2010, 09:04 PM
I like the biohazard sign, adding a "gun" sign to you're window is just ASKING FOR TOUBLE. I would put a geiger counter next to that sign :D you can get them cheap. I would think about putting a " gun sign" on my backdoor, no one goes there so I would think its safe. But just having it on the front door anyone can see it.. thats just asking for trouble.

IF you watch karate kid 2 there is a sceen in there where the kid says "I anit looking for trouble." And the bad guy replys, "but maybe trouble is looking for you."

TexasBill
June 27, 2010, 09:47 PM
I bought a house that had a security system installed, but the monitoring contract had expired. Didn't bother renewing it as every ad I have ever seen for home security services makes them look even worse than 911. The one with the lady whose ex-significant-other busted in the door is especially choice: The door alarm goes off and the security company calls her to see if all is well. In the ad, the alarm scares the ex off, but in the real world, that's not always the case and the crime clock is ticking. If her ex is that much of a loon, she didn't need Broadview; she needed Smith & Wesson!

Even if I am away, my wife is well-armed and is pretty darn good with her 14-shot Browning. But we don't see any point in advertising that we have guns.

FTSESQ
June 27, 2010, 10:02 PM
I dunno; to me it looks like a sign saying, "I have guns so break in while I'm away."

I prefer more of a stealth mode, if you will.

I too will so with stealth mode. And besides, with two 120lb German Shepherds patrolling my, I mean their, house, I don't know if anyone would get close enough to read the sign:D

22-rimfire
June 27, 2010, 11:38 PM
I have things in my house worth dying for. It just depends on how you value things.... wife, kids, money, jewelry, electronics, firearms, etc.

Fremmer
June 28, 2010, 07:32 AM
After you die, none of the things in a house are of any value to you.

Which is why nothing in a house is worth dying for.

Toaster
June 28, 2010, 09:33 AM
Forget about the signs. I have four dogs living in the house, they all bark when things move around outdoors. Advertisements(signs) invite trouble.

Victor1Echo
June 28, 2010, 09:47 AM
What about a quote from Dante's Inferno--I do not remember the Italian--but it was Abandon all hope, ye who enter here. Paint it on your threshold.

FirearmsEnthusiast
June 28, 2010, 11:10 AM
haha those signs are awesome =D

Manco
June 28, 2010, 01:44 PM
After you die, none of the things in a house are of any value to you.

Which is why nothing in a house is worth dying for.

Forgive me for asking a personal question, but do you have children or are you only talking about material things?

Fremmer
June 28, 2010, 02:57 PM
Whether one has children or not is irrelevant, because those without children are certainly capable of knowing what is not worth dying for.

Setting aside the issue of value of things inside someone else's house post-mortem, I think a dog would be a lot more effective than a silly sign. If criminals won't obey signs banning firearms in a mall or school, why would they be deterred by a chest-thumping sign outside of a home (other than when they establish the house as a target for burglary)?

Manco
June 28, 2010, 04:15 PM
Whether one has children or not is irrelevant, because those without children are certainly capable of knowing what is not worth dying for.

Well, I just wanted clarification on exactly what sorts of things are not important if you get killed, from your point of view, since a number of other posters have mentioned children explicitly, that's all. Sure, material things are never worth dying for, but I think many would make an exception for members of their own families in the context of home invasions and armed robberies.

floydster
June 28, 2010, 05:35 PM
I want a sign that says, "if you come in vertical without my permission, you will leave horizontal with my permission.:D
Floydster

Fremmer
June 28, 2010, 05:37 PM
The whole premise of this thread is absurd. :D

Absurd, but entertaining nonetheless!

84B20
June 28, 2010, 05:39 PM
It is kind of ironic that I first saw that sign offered through a Frontsight email. Frontsight, for those that don't know about it, is the firearm training school in Nevada. The are quite aggressive in their advertising but I have learned a lot from some of their emailed videos. Bottom line, I also believe in the stealth approach, which is why I never bought one of them.

22-rimfire
June 28, 2010, 07:14 PM
Fremmer, to each his own. I wouldn't recommend you visiting my house and trying to take my posessions. I generally think that the person who is not supposed to be somewhere is going to do the dying; but there is always a chance it could be the other way around when push comes to shove. I accept the risk.

Fremmer
June 28, 2010, 07:35 PM
Yeah, thump that ol' chest a little harder. Because I'm not coming to anybody's house. But we're all now better educated about how everybody is ready to rock and rambo in thier houses. :rolleyes:

Owen Sparks
June 28, 2010, 10:15 PM
The best warning sign is:

BEWARE OF DOG.

Any criminal who sees that will simply move on to an easier target. Criminals are lazy by nature and want something for little effort. Dealing with a loud barking/biting dog sounds too much like work and the typical burglar will avoid dogs. Don't have a dog? It doesn't matter. Post the sign where it can be seen from the street and no criminal will bother to find out. He will just move on to something that looks easier. I learned this trick from a police captain who used to work burglaries. He said that that $2 sign is the best money you could ever spend on home defense.

mljdeckard
June 28, 2010, 10:34 PM
When I was eleven, I thought the placards with slogans like; "Forget dog, beware of owner" or "Anyone found here at night will be found here in the morning" or Persecutors will be violated" or "survivors will be prosecuted" or "My shotgun is loaded three nights a week, you guess which three" were just freakin' hilarious.

I doubt the jury will agree.

glockdriver
June 28, 2010, 10:50 PM
NOTHING( I am referring to anything I own) in my house is worth anyone dying over, that's what insurance is for.
If my wife and or daughter are at home you are talking a whole new thing. You come into my house uninvited when my family is home I am going to assume you are here to do bodily harm to someone and I am going to do everything in my power to stop you ANYWAY I CAN.

Manco
June 29, 2010, 10:23 AM
The best warning sign is:

BEWARE OF DOG.

Any criminal who sees that will simply move on to an easier target. Criminals are lazy by nature and want something for little effort.

That makes sense to me, although I have to wonder about home invasions. While much rarer than burglaries of unoccupied homes, they do occur with some regularity. As mentioned earlier, an aborted attempt was made on my own home a few years ago (and actually there was another attempt that was aborted when the burglar simply found that my door was locked). How is a home invasion taking the easy, lazy way? I guess it means that they wouldn't have to search for the most valuable, important items, but the risk factor is obviously very high.

The BEWARE OF DOG sign is still a good idea, though, as it puts the risk factor through the roof in the minds of most criminals. I think the reason that security system signs are apparently not very effective deterrents is that many modern burglars tend to spend very little time in the home, looking only for small items of high value, particularly items they could use for identity theft.

Fremmer
June 29, 2010, 11:29 AM
How about a sign that says, "My dog will attack you and rip out your throat, after which I will repeatedly shoot you and the dog!" That kind of a sign ought to show 'em........

:rolleyes:

Dang, I think I just bruised my lungs from pounding my chest so hard there....

Justin
June 29, 2010, 11:33 AM
That's enough chest-thumping for one thread. If you guys are actually interested in reading up on strategies for home defense, I'd suggest taking a look at the Strategies and Tactics forum.

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