Anyone here have first-hand experience with these "mil-spec" bullets from Widener's... good/bad/indifferent? The price is sure right. I received an email from them saying these weren't "quite" up to the Sierra 168 HPBT standard, but were still very good. They'd be for use in a Garand.
I use their 62 grain FMJ mil-spec and they work great.
June 25, 2010, 06:52 PM
I have shot there 75 grain Mil-Spec, and they shot really well out to 600 yards. They do have a little vary in weight, but what bullets do not. I use the Hornady 75 grain Match load data.
June 25, 2010, 09:31 PM
Widener's says the bullets are mil spec. You have to remember that milspec can be misleading. What exactly does that mean? The material used? Diameter? Length? Overall finish of the bullets? Milspecs can be very complex and cover every single aspect of an item down to the type of tape used to close up the carton they are packed in.
Probably in this case milspec means made by the company that runs Lake City or used to run it (Remington) and the bullets are equal to the ones used by the military today. And keep in mind that as far as the military is concerned, a hit anywhere on the torso is a hit. So they probably won't shoot any better than 1 MOA but that's good enough.
I have loaded and fired thousands of these bullets and I've had no problems with them. Many that I shot went downrange from a fully automatic weapon but they are still good enough for casual shooting or plinking. They are not competition grade.
June 25, 2010, 11:40 PM
I've been curious about their .308 145gr FMJ-BT (http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=7239&dir=278|281|727), but can't quite get over the looks of the cannelure.
I've heard that these are manufactured by Prvi, and they seem to shoot well enough based on the reviews, but I'm still not sure about the "cut cannelure".
Any experiences here?
June 26, 2010, 12:37 AM
I've used quite a few of the 168 gr HPBT. They are PPU and are just OK. They are a little small - more like .3075. I think it is a stretch to call them a match bullet.
June 26, 2010, 01:16 AM
I've shot quite a few of the Mil-spec bullets from Widener's and they work fine in my 1903A1 and Garand. They are by no means Sierra bullets but like said above, they go bang and are accurate enough for the price. I would suggest you stay away from shooting the 175gr bullets in your Garand. You won't cause any damage to the gun if you load them correctly but the results are not as good as with 150gr-168gr bullets. IMO a 168gr bullet is the limit for the Garand. (remember I said IMO so don't jump me on this one)
June 26, 2010, 09:56 AM
They are all made by PRVI. They shoot fine for what they are. I have shot everything on that link except for the 175 grain .308. They aren't matchkings, but they are probably the best price for plinking stuff I have found.
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June 26, 2010, 11:08 AM
I consider the offerings by Wideners (The Privi Stuff ) to be an outstanding value. Wally World quality at a 99 cent store price. That means it's not top of the line, but will suffice if you are on a budget or shoot often. It may sound like I'm putting this product down, but I'm not. I use it and recommend it for what it is.
June 27, 2010, 10:23 AM
In other words, if you are shooting these to make tight groups, you may not be happy with the results. I have read on other forums that they are a little small and do not seat very tight. I personally haven't tried them because, most of my shooting is for accuracy off the bench and I want to have tight groups.
June 28, 2010, 01:58 AM
In other words, if you are shooting these to make tight groups, you may not be happy with the results.
It depends upon what you consider "tight groups." Most Garands won't shoot tight groups with any ammo without doing some work on them. Remember, that is a battle rifle, not a target rifle. A good group with a battle rifle is 3 rounds at minute-of-person, not MOA.
I get ~3" groups @100 yards with good ammo from my Garand. I'm sure a really good shooter can do a little better but for the most part the rifle can do only what it can do.
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